Complaining about the Ryan Moats fumble
by BigBlueShoe on Nov 10, 2009 10:09 AM EST
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Shutdown Corner, Yahoo! Sports' dedicated NFL blog, has taken some hits from us Colts fans of late because... well, the writing has been pretty bad. I wish I could say different because there are some good people there, but in general it leaves a lot to be desired as a football blog. Chris Chase's silly hit piece on Jim Irsay was one of the worst "professional" blog articles I'd ever read, and Chris took his lumps for it. He was blasted not just on this site, but in the comments section of his own article. Now, we have Doug Farrar, who is pretty much openly saying that the Ryan Moats fumble was incorrectly corrected after a replay review, and that the resulting call affected the "landscape in the AFC South for the rest of the season."
Sorry Doug, but you're being a bit of a drama queen with that statement.
First off, let's be clear on something. Ryan Moats did indeed fumble. The replay clearly shows that. It was incorrectly not called a fumble after the whistle blew. Then, when the Texans let the clock tick to the two minute warning, that gave Colts coach Jim Caldwell enough time to digest the replays and throw a red challenge flag. The challenge was Moats fumbled. The refs reviewed, saw that he had, and then saw that the ball was recovered by Indy in the endzone for a touchback.
What Doug Farrar and Alan Burge of the Houston Texans Examiner, who Farrar quotes in his blog post, are arguing is that the ball may have touched tackler Antoine Bethea's arm while Bethea's leg was dangling out-of-bounds. If Bethea's arm was touching the ball while his leg was touching out-of-bounds, that means the fumble was not established back in-bounds. Thus, Texans ball on the two.
However, when you watch the replays, it most certainly is not conclusive that Bethea's arm is touching the ball while he is established as out-of-bounds. Burge has a still screen apparently showing it, but it looks so grainy I swear I see the second gunman hiding behind a grassy knoll in the background.
What did seem conclusive is Moats' fumble and Jerraud Powers' heads-up play to re-establish his feet in bounds to gain control of the ball. THAT is what the refs were looking at, and that is what they called. Remember, refs are only allotted one minute and thirty seconds to view all this crap.
As many of you know, I am very tough on refs, and I personally have no love for Jeff Triplette, who is better served bagging my groceries than reffing my football team's games. But in this case, he got the call right, or, at the very least, got the call as right as possible given the allotted time. And despite Farrar's dramatics, the call did not have the kind of far reaching consequences that he pathetically seems to suggest. Allowing the Colts to score the eventual game-winning TD in the fourth quarter and then missing a gimme FG to potentially force OT were the reasons the Texans lost, not the Moats fumble call.
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I thought it was an incredible play...
I watched the replay, and was amazed that the ball didn’t hit anyone the minute they hit the sideline.
I hear people moaning that Powers “ran the ball out of the endzone” so we shouldn’t have gotten the ball on the 20, but he didn’t. The replay established that their was a clear fumble, and that the Colts clearly had possession, thus the Colts would have had the ball wherever they gained possession (because the play had been blown dead by the refs), but since that was on the goal line it was a touchback, so to the 20 yard line we go.
A very close win, and we have the Pats next weekend.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
/back, and to the left. Back, and to the left. BACK, and to the LEFT, BACK AND TO THE LEFT...
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The ball turns, in mid air mind you.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BigBlueShoe...
To whoever wrote this column… you just shot yourself in the foot. You argue that since it was a fumble and that it was incorrectly ruled not a fumble on the field. Well since it wasn’t ruled a fumble, the first thing the refs are supposed to do is look at evidence that proves it was a fumble in bounds in order to rule the other way. Even though it is quite clear that Bethea is touching the ball out of bounds, you claim that it is unclear and “grainy”. Be that as it may, if it is unclear then the refs have no evidence to overturn the call since you cannot tell and it would be Texans ball. If there were not enough clarity from the replays it should be Texans ball, period, since they were awarded the ball from the start. Thank you bigblueshoe for proving my point.
by osu200200 on Nov 10, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a ruled a fumble
but a fumble out of bounds.
They changed it to a fumble not out of bounds, recovered by the Colts.
by mgrex03 on Nov 10, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"incontrovertible visual evidence"
Agreed. Triplette did not possess “incontrovertible visual evidence” to overturn the ruling on the field. If you look at the DVR replay in slo mo or the pictures that Shutdown Corner posted or Big Blue Shoe’s own admission that the video is grainy, the ref did not have sufficient evidence through the video to overrule the call on the field.
Basically, BBS, you make the point that Doug makes in the article.
It may have not changed the outcome of the game due the machine that is The Peyton, but the best approach with these situations is to say, “Yup, we got away with one” instead of complaining about people who rightfully raise questions about officiating, like you have done with Triplette in the past. Refs aren’t supposed to overturn calls on the field unless the video evidence is incontrovertible, which in this instance, it isn’t.
In other words, BBS, this is not one of your more thoughtful posts. But if you write enough words, like referees covering many games, you will get it wrong from time to time. In this instance, your own words prove that you are wrong.
by StephS on Nov 11, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Puke
That is a retarded assertion that this one call has changed the “landscape in the AFC South for the rest of the season.”
I understand being upset if a bunch of questionable calls went against their team and the refs looked to be on the opponents payroll throughout the game, although even that is hard to quantify through the lens of fan bias.
But one play, which I believe was rightly called and most fans at BRB weren’t even disputing so far, that one play didn’t change the landscape blah blah blah.
That is the rhetoric of a bitter person, either a Texans fan or a Colts hater. Whatever. There were many plays in that game. Which one was pivitol? I think the Schaub INT to Powers was pivitol and changed the landscape of the AFC South for the rest of the season. I think the Kris Brown fumble was pivitol and changed the landscape of the division for the season. I think Kubiak’s failure to hurry up the play after the fumble and before the two minute warning dramatically changed the universe. We can continue all day.
The Colts had some bad miscues which could’ve cost us and changed the landscape of the AFC South for the remainder of the season. Whatever that means. Thankfully, we won. Goodness, people.
by coltsfanawalt on Nov 10, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yawn...
Kris Brown fumbled? Our kicker? You clearly have not watched any Texans games and apparently don’t even know how to interpret what you hear on the radio or what not. Chris Brown would be the one that fumbled against the Jags. Point is that it’s kinda sad that you are reverting to other games for pivotal moments. Everyone who watched the game this past Sunday knows that the fumble in the endzone call right before the half was the most “pivotal” point of that game. You could argue that Brown’s missed fg at the end was as well, but that didn’t change the course of the game since it happened with no time left.
by osu200200 on Nov 10, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OH NOES HE SPELLED CHRIS WRONG
WHAT A TARD
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty sure they said the ruling on the field was a fumble out of bounds
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 10:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We could have run another play,
so the ruling on the field was Texans ball at the one.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah because the ruling was ball was fumbled out of bounds at the 1
it was overturned to fumble into the endzone
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shake
You are correct, the ball was indeed ruled a fumble out of bounds.
As for this idiot moron whining about the overturned call, he should really be yelling and screaming for the head of Kubiak. His inability to run a play with almost 20 seconds before the 2 minute warning is exactly WHY this play got overturned in the first place. Had he bothered to do so, just to be safe, would have only resulted in a 3rd down and goal if the Texans did not score.
This is why you always hurry up to run a play after a possible turnover play. You do not give the other team a chance to call a timeout or throw the challenge flag.
by DevilsReject on Nov 10, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm agreed on this.
I don’t like Peyton Manning, but I bet he would have run a play and not given the other team an opportunity to challenge the play.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just Peyton
ANY BODY ELSE in the league know to hurry up if their is a chance of a challenge…thats like football 101
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No point in whining about it, it's over.
But the FACT is that it is a bad call based on what we now see.
Bethea is out of bound and touching the ball. Period. End of story.
So Texans should have retained possession and that probably means seven points, or at least three.
So yes, it is a bad call.
Does it matter now? Just another example of the refs screwing up NFL games all over the league every Sunday.
But bad refs are part of the game, and despite that we still had a lead which we later blew.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well Sir,
I disagree.
It is a FACT that the ball was not touched by any player out of bounds. Period. End of story.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uhm the picture from the Ap at the top of this thread shows Bethea's arm touching the ball while his butt is out of bounds....
What’s to dispute?
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you've got the angle wrong, I thought that for a second too
he’s laying along the sideline. You can see the hashmark under him.
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea that white is the hashmark not the side line
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the full picture, his whole body from his butt upo is on the ground and clearly touching the sideline.
I don’t see how anyone can objectively argue that he is not out bounds here. If he was a 90 pound supermodel, he might fit on the hashmarks, but any human male over the age of 9 isn’t going to fit on a hashmark.
It is a bad call in retrospect. But it doesn’t matter because we blew a lead later in the game anyway.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is butt isn't even on the ground there
he’s on his hip and shoulder were are tilted away from the sideline.
Seriously, the refs reviewed this exact thing and overturned it. That’s not 100% proof but it’s better than posting random stills and trying to guess what is exactly where.
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well we will find out today. the Texans submitted it to the league and they should have a ruling today from the Refs.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
I hadn’t seen that angle before – I agree it’s less clear than what I thought watching the game
Unfortunately, them’s the breaks… calls go against your team – whoever that may be – all the time.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 10, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another point on the hashmark debate. Look how close the hashmarks are to the sideline, he is ALL the way at the edge of the hashmark closeest to the sideline.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but no one has control so does it state in the rules that if they are touching the ball??
pluss moats is still touching it and he is in bounds. it is still being fumbled so it is a matter of whether moats is out of bounds im pretty sure. but again it doesn’t matter now the texans still had chances to win the game
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, if noone has control and someone touches while out of bounds, it is a dead ball.
And I agree.
Look, I’m not saying “This cost the Texans the game.”
I’m saying look, “Yet another example this year of bad refereeing that affects games league wide.”
I am an advocate of refs getting out of the way of the game and letting both teams play.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with your ref assessment.
The refs often mess things up. I don’t believe they did here, and even if they did it wasn’t some blatant one sided game where NBA refs come to mind. As I stated above, the game could be conidered won or lost on many different plays. If Kris Brown makes that kick, I think a coin toss would’ve decided the winner. Great game.
by coltsfanawalt on Nov 10, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's difficult
for me to even look at Bethea in this picture with those two Colts cheerleaders in the background with their long, tan lets and those little tasseled boots on. I’ve tried over and over again, my eyes just won’t look anywhere else.
by Ayrshire on Nov 10, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Liar!
you are checking out the mascot’s…
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't even know
there was a ‘mascot’ in the picture, until you just mentioned it.
by Ayrshire on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sssuuuuurrrreeee...
how can you not see that badunkadunk…
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That mascot has junk in the trunk.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He really needs to go on a diet...
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Full Picture
It is a bad call in retrospect. But it doesn’t matter because we blew a lead later in the game anyway.
So your comment on your teams blog stating that it didn’t matter because the NFL got what they wanted with this Sunday nights match up of the undefeated Colts against the Pats wasn’t a reference to a fix then.
by Ufanforreal on Nov 10, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. I don't trust the league or the refs. Period.
All I know is we got a RECORD number of penalties for the Texans under Kubiak.
And that sits odd with me.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
way to talk out of both sides of your mouth
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth.
I said above that I am an advocate of the refs getting out of the way of the game.
You are INSANE if you don’t understand that the league is FIRST AND FOREMOST A BUSINESS. The league is in this business to make money, not to promote some ideal of fair play and the great American athlete.
The league will do what is has to to protect it’s revenues and future.
That is why I said I hate the way refs are calling games around the entire league.
I am not blaming them for the Texans loss, the Texans had PLENTY of chances to win despite the poor refereeing.
I am blaming the league for trying taking the games out of player hands all over the league.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the need to the fans to think the play is fair
or else they’ll lose creditability and popularity. Which is why I seriously doubt they instruct refs to alter outcomes
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you stood to get record market share and revenue, you would be sorely tempted to help matters along.
I don’t blame the league for making business decisions…..I just wish the game was focused on the best team, not just the best revenue.
But despite what we all wish, the league IS in the business of making money.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, nothing like risking the legitimacy of the league
to make a couple matchups look sexier.
(rolls eyes)
How often are Refs let go, or publicly reprimanded or screwing up? Often enough that it’s really unlikely someones with knowledge didn’t get pissed off at the league enough to out any ref tampering. If you are going to posit conspiracies it’s best to stick to ones that don’t require over 100 participants on the ref level alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_officials
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IN FACT.....allow me to quote the beginning of your own BigBlueShoes current article about the upcoming MNF game...
This week, we get to gear up for (arguably) the most anticipated regular season game on the entire NFL schedule: The New England Patriots at the Indianapolis Colts. Despite both teams not playing in the same division, and despite both teams not facing in other in the playoffs since the now-legendary 2006 AFC Championship Game, this match-up is indeed still the best rivalry in pro football.
Hell, it might be the best rivalry in all of sports.
More people will likely watch this game than any Red Sox v. Yankees game that was played last baseball season. It will likely gain higher ratings than the World Series, the NBA Finals, or the excellent Hockey playoff match-up last season that pitted their game’s best players (Capitals ace Alexander Ovechkin and Penguins phenom Sydney Crosby) against each other. And while football rivalries like Packers v. Vikings, Cowboys v. Giants, and Steelers v. Ravens feature impressive teams loaded with big stars who are followed by large fanbases, no two players get debated more than Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning. And there is a reason for this.
They are the best in the league; maybe ever.
Now you tell me, if you are the league, what’s it worth to you for the Colts to be undefeated going into a game that may draw more viewers than the World Series….
Think business.
Just sayin.
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The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think that it'd be a MASSIVE game without the Colts undefeated?
Colts would still have the AFC lead with the Pats as serious contenders. Throw in the recent history and the Peyton vs Brady angle that will be pounded to death.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it would still be a massive game.
It’s just that much better with the Colts undefeated.
Anyway no point arguing.
I believe the league does what it can to try and help things along to improve revenue and interest.
You disagree.
We will probably never know.
/shrug.
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The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
I actually think it’s a bigger game if the Colts have one loss. The 8-0 Colts will still keep the AFC lead win or lose. But if the Colts were 7-1 and lost to the 6-2 Pats, the Pats would technically pull ahead thanks to the head-to-head victory.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
by szquirrel on Nov 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly believe the refs
are doing their very best to get the calls right. Having Indy going into the Pats game 8-0 or 7-1 wouldn’t matter at all. I absolutely can’t imagine the refs intentionally risking their ‘honor’…..so to speak. Yes, they’re going to get some calls wrong, but they are absolutely not favoring one team over another.
by Ayrshire on Nov 10, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, man what a sore loser, can you imagine the law suits let alone prison time if what you are trying to apply was true.
Why yes we will risk our mutibillion sport just so we can set up a Undefeated Colts against the Pats game.
by Ufanforreal on Nov 10, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reading: FAIL
Comprehension: FAIL
I will say this again. I will try and avoid too many polysyllabic words so you aren’t confused again.
I no blame ref for our loss. We give game away. We have lead. We blow it. You get it?
Seriously, I’m not a sore loser. How many times do I have to say it to get it through your dense skull? The Texans blew the game by giving up a lead and not hitting a field goal.
The refs are a seperate that affect EVERY team in the league.
Learn to read?
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O i read you clear that’s why I posted it as it is.
by Ufanforreal on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then why are you insinuating that the refs overturned the call because of a conspriacy?
you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Put your nickel down. Why do you think the call was overturned?
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying that the refs tried to slant the game.
The Texans played through it but still blew the lead.
Pretty standard fare.
the refs can’t just annoint a winner. They can however favor one team over another to increase the odds.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so an unknown number of people in the league office
have given a body of officials numbering over 100 orders to effect results and there’s never been any evidence to come out other than accusation from fans on the losing in of close calls.
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
texforever look i respect you for the respect you have shown
but man they aren’t trying to slant games. even if the fumble was a bad call they made a horrific call that looked plain for mainy on the play collie caught and landed at the three yard line. but was called back because of “offsetting flags” first i call bull the holding by satuday was a direct call of the offsides they called later. in other words we should have been at the three yard line instead if i remember right we ended up having to punt.
i know your not blaming and making excuses for the your loss but realize it happened to both of use one just drew more talk and notice
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Worked fine for the NBA officials to fix games.
NBA still is doing fine.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
minus millions of dollars on fines and under a microscope
by Ufanforreal on Nov 10, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet...revenues are up! imagine that.
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by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean an official?
last I heard there was just one who was shaving points.
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only one was busted.
His telephone records indicated that he spent an unusual amount of time on the phone with various other officials.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't it tied to gambling rather than the league though?
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by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I think so.
I just think people shouldn’t dismiss something because of the word conspiracy. If you think officials haven’t impacted the outcomes of games in every league, at one time or another, then I think you are gullible. I’m not saying there is a conspiracy this time, Colts won the game fair and square. I just understand that refs are human, and can be corrupted just like a Judge, Politician, or Police Officer could be.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so the refs are to close their eyes with the number of off sides that your team had or the refs helped the colts with the sacks or the helmet to helmet hits.
by Ufanforreal on Nov 10, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all. but you can call a foul on almost every play....
They don’t of course, becuase a five hour game is a bad thing for business.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
uhm
moats isnt touching any part of the ground? Im looking closely at this picture, he’s not on the field of play in any manner. Did you post the wrong picture? Are you a drunk? Are you slow? He’s not touching the ground. At. All. Glad we cleared this up. Next week on ‘as the douchebags turn’ we’ll go over where babies come from.
Being an asshole doesn't make you wrong. :)
by SpazMo on Nov 10, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok.... lets try this "sarcasm" thing again...
what do you see here, and then I will tell you how you are wrong.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keep eyes closed hooseirs face can...not....seee
lol
//kidding
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow...
it is clearly a picture of a woman’s naked bosom.
You, sir, are a freak for not seeing that.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's defiantly
in bounds in that picture sir….if you can’t see that then I kindly ask you to take off you red and blue glasses and THEN maybe you will see. Those damn glasses sometimes make things look what they arent’
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the first picture
Of what the guy claims is the same angle from his DVR, you can clearly see Bethea’s arm and elbow are not touching the ground. From the other side, you can clearly see his leg is still in the air from rolling over. Since you can not conclusively prove otherwise, it’s a moot point.
by DevilsReject on Nov 10, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is this why the kicker missed the field goal again?
or why the Texans were offsides like half the game?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone else seems reasonable. Any reason you are being an ass?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this thing on???
I am just making jokes… the game was over yesterday.
And yes, I am an ass. :D
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
dude you crack me up….
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he don't know very well, do he?
"But whenever I meet dynamic, nonretarded Americans, I notice that they all seem to share a single unifying characteristic: the inability to experience the kind of mind-blowing, transcendent romantic relationship they perceive to be a normal part of living. And someone needs to take the fall for this. So instead of blaming no one for this (which is kind of cowardly) or blaming everyone (which is kind of meaningless), I'm going to blame John Cusack."
— Chuck Klosterman (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto)
by Addai Another Aday on Nov 10, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a crap shoot
At the game I had absolutely no idea how the challenge was going to go. They showed replays and I couldn’t figure it out for the life of me. Even when Triplette was explaining it I had no idea why the Colts had the ball. I still don’t. But then again, I’m not a professional ref.
The point BBS made is that it’s ridiculous to say the Texans were “cheated”. It was a close call. The refs didn’t have 2 days to make the call, they had 90 seconds. Sometimes those calls break your way, sometimes not.
It’s also ridiculous to hang the entire outcome of the game – let alone the season – on one play in the first half. In any close game you can go back and cherry-pick a dozen things that might have tipped it one way or another. This just happens to be one that can be blamed on the officials and not the players.
This is not Ed Hochuli giving the ball to Denver with one minute left to play. It’s not obvious that this was a blown call (despite what one favorable picture seems to show) and it’s far from clear how the outcome of this one play would have affected the tempo of the second half.
If the Texans keep this ball do they win the game? If my aunt had balls, would she be my uncle?
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
by szquirrel on Nov 10, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point BBS made is that it’s ridiculous to say the Texans were "cheated". It was a close call. The refs didn’t have 2 days to make the call, they had 90 seconds. Sometimes those calls break your way, sometimes not.
It’s also ridiculous to call the 49er’s cheaters, and Coach Sing a bum, when there is no evidence to support the claim.
I don’t blame the officials for the loss, the Texans had lots of chances to win that game. On one particular play Peyton threw the ball right into Mario Williams’ hands but instead of catching the ball and returning it for a touchdown, it fell harmlessly to the turf. Colts defenders dropped some interceptions as well, the game could have swung on any of those plays. But I also see what angers TexansForever, that was the most penalties called on the Texans in a long time, and not many were called on the Colts. It was a good game and the Colts defense was responsible for the win IMHO.
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say BBS is always right
The histrionics over Singletary were ridiculous and I said so.
Also, calling the Colts-Pats rivalry the best in all of sports was ridiculous and I said so.
But this time he’s right. This call was not wildly unreasonable, nor were any of the other numerous penalty calls on the Texans. I’m sorry if the refs were beating up on you but it happens sometimes. As others have pointed out, it’s just goofy to even imply that there was some coordinated effort by the refs to give the game away.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
by szquirrel on Nov 10, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares really...???
I mean it is Tuesday for crying out loud…with the Pats on Sunday…the Texans can do what they need to in order to revive thier season.
FWIW…the landscape of the AFC South has been set since week one. Thats right…the Colts on top with everyone else crying about stupid calls.
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by TRDean on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well said
TRDean, you are correct. This is spilled milk that people are whining about at this point. If this play had been a game deciding play, I could see it being pursued further, however, this is not a game changing play.
The Texans still got a 3pt field goal shortly after the fumble, and more importantly, let’s say they dont get a TD on that drive, the Colts get the ball back anyways with perhaps 1:40 in the game and the Texans still only get 3pts…
Truth is, the Texans shot themselves in the foot as they were more concerned about killing the clock than covering their own butt.
by DevilsReject on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My only reacton was that I honestly didn't know the rule...
Bethea did not touch the ball. Moats was still touching the ball while laying on Bethea who was out of bounds. I thought this might kill the play, but I guess that as long as the player touching the ball hasn’t touched the ground OB then it is still live. That makes sense. The ball never touched out of bounds. I was of the opinion that Powers clearly had two feet established in bounds when he made the recovery. So, my opinion is that it should have been Colts ball on the 2.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The refs miss many calls throughout every game
This one,…..I don’t know for sure. But, it doesn’t really matter. The Texans should have never let it come down to that. Speaking of ‘ifs’, what happens if Manning doesn’t throw his interception near the end of the first half? It would have been 20 to nothing at half most likely, instead of 13-3. Ifs and ands people…..bottom, line, Colts win……as they should have. Texans put up a great fight. Time to move on and destroy the Patriots.
by Ayrshire on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
guys we take forever and are still disscussing it without an awnser for satisfiying everyone
remember the refs dont have that long they do the best they can and it looks to me like the right call. bethea wasn’t out of bounds. and on powers if his foot was or wasn’t in who knows there wasn’t enough there though to overturn it as the call on the field rulled it a fumble so in other words it is the right call based on the rules we play with
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by ANGELSFAITH on Nov 10, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whining
Umm… last time I checked the Texans intercepted the ball on the Colts drive immediately following this fumble that allowed them to score 3 points and gain momentum going into the half. What the hell are Texans fans whining about??? I didn’t read the article, but did they even mention that fact?
If you want to complain about the reffing, then at least be fair and acknowledge the fact that Saturday should never have been called for a hold that offset the offsides against the Texans player who was unabated to the quarterback. If that play goes to Collie without the offsetting penalty does that then also effect the “landscape in the AFC South for the rest of the season.”? Don’t complain about one call if you’re not willing to complain about all calls.
by EddieDean on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
THE REFS I TELL YOU!!!
THE DAMN IOWA REFS INVADED INDIANA!!! ALL IS LOST!!!!!!!!!!!
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
by skywalker on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
^^THIS
/and yes, it is still funny.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why thank you
thank you very much
/elvis’d
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
by skywalker on Nov 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Texans "Cheated" themselves.
It’s pointless to whine about that call. The fact is we won, end of story. Anyone can “what if” a game to death. Kicker missed the field goal, game over.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
by Indy Lori on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just like it was pointless
to whine about the Niners players cramping all week long ?
You are banned from Music City Miracles.
Happy Now Tits?
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by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You and your silly logic. Get that out here, no room for that in this thread!
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't bitch at Indy Lori
for something BBS did….if you have a problem with the whole “Bum” issue, then take it up with him. But that died a long time and you, not even a Niners fan, is the one bringing it up.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
She calling Texans fans whiners, not BBS.
And I’m pretty sure she can defend herself without your help.
You are banned from Music City Miracles.
Happy Now Tits?
You are banned from Blogging The Boys.
by CFHTim on Nov 10, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
clearly
you are whining, but still, BBS is the one that pulled the 9ers crap not Indy Lori, so dont try to throw that at her. And you’re right she is more than capable of standing up for her self. You better be glad you got me and not her…..she can be a little fireball
;)
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you gunning for a date?
Because if I didn’t know better, I would say you’re doing that thing where a guy sticks up for a girl on the internet, in the vain hopes that she IM’s him later and says,"Thanks for sticking up for me. Here is my phone number. " Or something along those lines.
Because if that’s your angle…..it’s not going to work.
I’m just sayin…
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're annoying me.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
by Indy Lori on Nov 10, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you're kind of a dick.
"But whenever I meet dynamic, nonretarded Americans, I notice that they all seem to share a single unifying characteristic: the inability to experience the kind of mind-blowing, transcendent romantic relationship they perceive to be a normal part of living. And someone needs to take the fall for this. So instead of blaming no one for this (which is kind of cowardly) or blaming everyone (which is kind of meaningless), I'm going to blame John Cusack."
— Chuck Klosterman (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto)
by Addai Another Aday on Nov 10, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just an FYI
we’re like a family over here and the only ones allowed to talk smack are other SBers. We will gang up on you. So you watch yourself, Mr. lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 10, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you PTB, he obviously doesn't understand the dynamics here.
Good for a laugh though.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
by Indy Lori on Nov 10, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha....I fully expect to be the only one on my side at any blog other than BRB.
But it makes for fun internet banter and gives us all a reason to get fired up.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually dude
I have a girlfriend and she’s married so Im gonna have to go with no on that one pal. But good guess…none the less
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you have a girlfriend who's married?!?!
coltsfan723, I never knew you – lol
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 10, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I had to read that one a few times!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 10, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well actually....
long story….so I met this girl right? Well we talked for a few weeks and finally I decided to ask her out properly she says yes, BUT come to find out…………well you know where this is going lol
haha of course I was talking about Indy Lori, but hey it made for a good laugh right?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
[UPDATE]
so funny that I mention my girlfriend…..she decided to break up with me tonight. What a jerk face
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
damn sux
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
by skywalker on Nov 10, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know right?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, dude!
Sorry, man.
"But whenever I meet dynamic, nonretarded Americans, I notice that they all seem to share a single unifying characteristic: the inability to experience the kind of mind-blowing, transcendent romantic relationship they perceive to be a normal part of living. And someone needs to take the fall for this. So instead of blaming no one for this (which is kind of cowardly) or blaming everyone (which is kind of meaningless), I'm going to blame John Cusack."
— Chuck Klosterman (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto)
by Addai Another Aday on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its all good
Ill just play it like the Colts and go “next man up” only in this case it has to be a woman…lol
/totally kidding…I’m not a jerk who keeps a backup plan.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This may be harsh
But if she’s married and pregnant, you may be saving yourself a lot of hassle. Not trying to be a dick, just sayin….
"But whenever I meet dynamic, nonretarded Americans, I notice that they all seem to share a single unifying characteristic: the inability to experience the kind of mind-blowing, transcendent romantic relationship they perceive to be a normal part of living. And someone needs to take the fall for this. So instead of blaming no one for this (which is kind of cowardly) or blaming everyone (which is kind of meaningless), I'm going to blame John Cusack."
— Chuck Klosterman (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto)
by Addai Another Aday on Nov 10, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No no
lol she’s not married….all that stuff from earlier was a joke…well except the part about her breaking up with me
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Gotcha.
"But whenever I meet dynamic, nonretarded Americans, I notice that they all seem to share a single unifying characteristic: the inability to experience the kind of mind-blowing, transcendent romantic relationship they perceive to be a normal part of living. And someone needs to take the fall for this. So instead of blaming no one for this (which is kind of cowardly) or blaming everyone (which is kind of meaningless), I'm going to blame John Cusack."
— Chuck Klosterman (Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs: A Low Culture Manifesto)
by Addai Another Aday on Nov 10, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to pull
a Costanza on her…….and tell her that YOU are breaking up with her!
by Ayrshire on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard you were on a break?
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you heard
I was on a break? umm…..what? I’m confusled lol
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL rec'd for outing yourself.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok just kidding, but here, you may want to borrow these.
, , ’ .
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lets address arguments rather than speculating about people personally
it doesn’t further an argument and betrays immaturity.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like that, Fireball Indy Lori. LOL, you made my day.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
by Indy Lori on Nov 10, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I was speaking TRUTH lol
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Nov 10, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah we won that game and still pointed out the way they cheated.
Your team makes a lot of mistakes playing against one of the better teams in the NFL ,you ever considered it was the intensity of the game that made your team commit so many flags, sure showed some on all your offsides.
by Ufanforreal on Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To quote the Eagles...
Get Over it!
A close call didn’t go your way. Big deal. It happens to every team in every sport. The bigger concern should be the 100+ penalty yards that were RIGHTLY called. I was at that game and every single offsides was a legit call.
Point of interest, the refs didn’t call a clear helmet-to-helmet hit on Peyton or several clear holdings committed on Freeney or Mathis that would have stymied both of the TD drives. So there goes the whole refs favoring Indy argument.
It was a tough and gritty game, also known as an AFC South matchup. You lost. Get over it. Quite cryin and prepare for next week. Man up and show the NFL that you’re more than an 8-8 team instead of crying about how you were cheated from a game.
by 2ndBlueGeneration on Nov 10, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did you attend Indy publoic schools? Just curious...formulating a theory about reading comprehension.
Please READ before posting.
Noone is saying we blame the refs for the loss.
Every Texan here blames the TEXANS for the loss. We had a lead, we didn’t hold on to it. We lost.
We are pointing out the bad refereeing that is rampant in the league this year and is affecting all teams.
Again, before you comment, it helps to have a CLUE about what you are responding to.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And yes, I know there are fat finger spelling errors.....but alas, no edit button.
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 10, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So your position is the refs were tilting the scales in the Colts favor on orders from the league
but it didn’t change the final outcome?
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quite amazing, isn't it?
That anyone could actually believe that.
by Ayrshire on Nov 10, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, you're just taking the long way
You’re saying that the fumble call was bad, which implies that the Texans should have had the ball on the 1, which implies that they should have had at least 3 more points, which just happens to be the amount they lost by.
You’re spreading a net as far as possible to include all officiating by all NFL refs but it still comes back to this game and this call that you feel particularly butthurt about.
Build a bridge and get over it.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
by szquirrel on Nov 10, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You said, “I don’t know. I don’t trust the league or the refs. Period. All I know is we got a RECORD number of penalties for the Texans under Kubiak.And that sits odd with me.” Right there you are at least implying that the officiating was biased toward Indianapolis.
And, for your information, I am a product of Warren Central High School, one of the public high schools in the suburbs of Indianapolis. I am also a senior at Miami University with a 3.83 and will be pursing a Ph.D in History. I may make a few typing errors, but I am a far cry from the idiot you backhandedly referred to me as.
by 2ndBlueGeneration on Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're pointing out bad referring that is affecting all teams
by pointing to a call “against” your texans, on a Colts message board? You’re right, we CLEARLY misunderstood your agenda. Carry on, Mr. Private School!
Being an asshole doesn't make you wrong. :)
by SpazMo on Nov 10, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The topic is the Moats call because this whole thread (SEE THE TITLE?) is devoted to that freaking call....
Am I too dicuss a different game and call in this thread?
Yet another comprehension fail. Want to keep going?
"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."
The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related
by TexansForever on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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