Armageddon 2009: Patriots v. Colts
by Brad Wells on Nov 10, 2009 11:40 AM EST
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PrintThis week, we get to gear up for (arguably) the most anticipated regular season game on the entire NFL schedule: The New England Patriots at the Indianapolis Colts. Despite both teams not playing in the same division, and despite both teams not facing in other in the playoffs since the now-legendary 2006 AFC Championship Game, this match-up is indeed still the best rivalry in pro football.
Hell, it might be the best rivalry in all of sports.
More people will likely watch this game than any Red Sox v. Yankees game that was played last baseball season. It will likely gain higher ratings than the World Series, the NBA Finals, or the excellent Hockey playoff match-up last season that pitted their game's best players (Capitals ace Alexander Ovechkin and Penguins phenom Sydney Crosby) against each other. And while football rivalries like Packers v. Vikings, Cowboys v. Giants, and Steelers v. Ravens feature impressive teams loaded with big stars who are followed by large fanbases, no two players get debated more than Tom Brady v. Peyton Manning. And there is a reason for this.
They are the best in the league; maybe ever.
With all due respect to Drew Brees, who is having an amazing year with the still undefeated Saints, he can't touch Tommy Terrific or Perfect Peyton. Brees has all the physical tools, but until we see him rise to the occasion and lead his team to a conference championship game win, one can't put him on Brady or Manning's level.
Personally, I have long maintained Peyton is better than Tom, and unlike many of the Pro-Brady faction, I actually have tangible evidence to back it up. Peyton has helped his team to more wins. He has more impressive career numbers than Brady. And, to put it bluntly, Peyton has had a bigger overall impact on the league than Tom.
That no-huddle, spread offense the Patriots have used since 2007? Yeah, Peyton brought that back en vogue ten years ago.
But regardless of where you fall in the debate, what many of us agree upon is that these two are, quite possibly, the best to ever play the position. And while the morons in the established media world might claim that this reason or that prevents Manning or Brady from being in the all-time discussion (remember Chris Collingsworth saying earlier this season that Peyton Manning needed to win one more championship to be considered on the same level as Dan Marino... why does this schmuck still have employment?), what we fans know is that time and again these two have DEFINED great quarterback play for an entire generation. And as these two continue to re-write history books, the classic Pats v. Colts rivalry has begun to take a turn.
More so than any other time before, the rivalry has evolved from a nasty, bitter slap fest into one of mutual respect. Sure, we think (and know) the Patriots are cheaters, and Patriots fans think our Colts are nothing but cry-babies who change the rules to help them win. However, despite the outward silliness (and name-calling fun) of the rivalry, both sides also know that both teams demand (and have earned) respect.
In addition, both fanbases also respect one another. For me, pro football suffers when the Pats v. Colts rivalry suffers. I know about a billion Patriots fans who likely agree with that sentiment.
Keep an eye out here and at Pats Pulpit for more lead-up to this excellent rivalry game.
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Your Homer is showing
Best rivalry in all of sports? Better than Red Sox / Yankees? Better than Tar Heels / Blue Devils?
Let this one simmer for a few more decades before nominating it for the BEST EVAR title.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
We could call it...
…the best of the new millennium?
by Richard Hill on Nov 10, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
More people
Will watch this game than any Duke v. NC game this year. Just sayin.
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So?
Will they watch it for the rivalry or just because more people watch football and this is the best football on offer? I bet more people will watch KC v. Oakland than Duke v. UNC but that doesn’t make it a “better” rivalry.
I know everyone likes to think that they own a piece of history but let’s try to keep some perspective. Colts v. Pats can still be a great football game without being “better” than everything else this year or this decade or this geological epoch. It comes off just as pompous as the Pats fans back in 2007 proclaiming their team to be the best team in the history of all sports, ever.
Let’s cheer for the Colts. Let’s not get carried away inventing new metrics that “prove” their superiority over teams that don’t even play the same sport.
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
Will people stop whining about EVERYTHING bbs says?
Just because you have a thing against BBS doesn’t mean the rest of us care.
I wonder
If it’s a play off of Indy’s nickname, Naptown, or if this guy just likes to siesta.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Complete accident
I just typed in something stupid. I didn’t realize until after my first post that it was almost clever.
It IS currently the best rivalry in all sports.
Are you kidding me…..Red Sox/Yankees? Baseball is so boring compared to football. So, yes, I must say that this is the BEST EVAR in my opinion.
best rivelry is celtics v. lakers
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Nov 10, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
Best Rivalry is Sports
Celtic vs. Rangers. There is no close second.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Best rivalry in sports...
Armstrong vs. Contador…TdF!! One whole month of rivalry…even when they are on the same team!!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
Bah!
If you’re going there it’s Armstrong and Ulrich. Contador didn’t become a premier cyclist until Armstrong had retired… the first time.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Ulrich....
the fat German??? Please…Armstrong can’t and will never be able to hold Contadors jock!! At the same age…Armstrong 1 TdF…Contador 2 with a Giro and Vuelta thrown in for good measure!!
Nice to chat with someone knowledgeable about cycling and soccer (football).
By the way, the most dominant person in sport…Cavendish…show him a sprint and it is over for everyone else!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
Cavendish is uncatchable over the 200m...
I’ve never seen a springter like that. If the guy could just go uphill he would win the points jersey by a mile.
I don’t consider Contador and Armstrong rivals: a.) because they have only raced head to head once. b.) they were (in theory) on the same team. The fact that Armstrong was able to dominate the sport for so long also puts him ahead of anyone outside of Eddy Merckx in my opinion. Let Contador win 4-5 more, then we’ll talk.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Most dominant person in sport...
again leaning toward longevity, I might give it to Roger Federer. Not so much anymore, but for nearly the last decade he owned the tennis world.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
that only matters to people in glasgow
There are better soccer rivalries than the old firm.
by torontocoltsfan on Nov 10, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
If we're acknowledging the existence of non-USA countries
How about All Blacks vs Springboks?
Never approach a vast undertaking with a half-vast plan.
ooooh
Good one. I thought the rivalry had diminshed somewhat in recent years, but still a big game. Not quite the epic hatred between sides like Rangers and Celtic IMO.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
Acknowledge the existence, but don’t be ignorant about it. It’s All Blacks vs the Aussies. Springboks are South Africa
Better rivalries honestly:
Football (as in the one played with the foot)
Manchester United v Liverpool
Real Madrid v Barcelona FC
Brazil v Argentina
Cricket: India v Pakistan / Australia
Australia vs NZ
England v Australia (Ashes series)
All these rivalries are older than the NFL BTW and have fans who literally kill one another over them. Now unless a Colt fan knocks off a Pats fan in the parking lot of Lucas oil, yes its still a second-string rivalry.
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by rangerover76 on Nov 10, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Springboks vs. All Blacks
are #1 and #2 in the world. I realize that the Aussies probably have a more resentment when playing the Kiwis though.
I thought about the India v. Pakistan cricket matches. Certainly deserves a mention. I’m not much of a cricket fan though. It’s like they took baseball and tried to make it even more boring… they succeeded.
As far as soccer goes though, none of those approach Celtic v Rangers. Netherlands v England has some bad blood as well, but still…
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Good article...
but your logic about Brees is flawed…like many Colts fans in the past have stated…this is a team game. It took Manning quite a while to win in the playoffs…Brees is a great QB, and has been for the last 3 years. So while Manning and Brady are the top two…Brees is right there.
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
Brees
He most certainly is not a bad player. But, since we haven’t seen Brees really shine in the post-season (for a variety of reasons that aren’t necessarily his fault) I cannot put him in Manning or Brady’s category.
For different reasons, you can’t put Ben Roethlisberger or Eli Manning in Peyton or Tommy’s category. Sure, they have won Super Bowls, and they have (unlike Brees) consistently come up big in huge playoff games, but their overall career stats just don’t match Peyton and Tom.
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Just FYI
My top 10 QBs:
1. Peyton
2. Tommy
3. Drew Brees
4. Ben Roethlisberger
5. Eli Manning
6. Donovan McNabb
7. Brett Favre
8. Carson Palmer
9. Joe Flacco
10. Matt Ryan
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+1,000,000
Rivers belongs on that list. Not sure Eli does though…
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I take it you're not
a big Rivers, Romo or Rodgers fan, eh? I’d put two of those in the 9 and 10 place over the sophomores. Not that they aren’t studs as well, I’d just like to see more.
I hate Rivers as much as anyone, but he is much better than Eli.
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And seriously
Who has better facial expressions than Rivers?
Though, he does throw some epic floaters….
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Good article...
but your logic about Brees is flawed…like many Colts fans in the past have stated…this is a team game. It took Manning quite a while to win in the playoffs…Brees is a great QB, and has been for the last 3 years. So while Manning and Brady are the top two…Brees is right there.
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
I'm not taking any of your bait.
But I will say this: The Colts are the only team that we’ve consistently had to worry about for almost the whole run of success we’ve lately enjoyed. I’ll even go one further: The debate between Manning and Brady comes down to such a fine line it’s hardly worth the effort. There’s no doubt in my mind, however, that Manning is the prettier player: he throws a better ball most of the time. He puts up flashier numbers and bigger stats. The only thing that keeps Brady neck and neck is essentially their respective playoff records (Manning 7-8, Brady 14-3).
Anyway, I anticipate yet another great game. Someday maybe we’ll get to play at our house again (this is getting ridiculous).
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions
Colts played in NE 3 times in a row
From ’04 through ’06.
I’m guessing next year will be in Foxboro.
Yes, it will.
I don’t know why the inter-division schedule is set up that way, but that’s the way it is. In the two years in between the years when the whole divisions play each other, the division leaders play at the same division’s site for both years. For 2004-2005 the AFC East winner got home. For 2007-2008 the AFC South winner got home. Seems stupid to me and easy to change.
maybe it has to do with the rotation.
It may not actually be easy to change given the way the division schedules rotate. It’s making my head hurt to think about it.
You sure you want that? The last two times the Colts played in Foxboro your precious Pats got their ass spanked.
I did this a few times at that dump of a site I used to write for so I figured, hell, why not try it out over at Stampede Blue you know? At least this time someone will actually be reading it.
-Me
by KingRichard on Nov 10, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Geez I missed you, sweetheart.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 10, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
lol
It’s in my genes to talk smack. It’s nothing personal.
Go Colts!
I did this a few times at that dump of a site I used to write for so I figured, hell, why not try it out over at Stampede Blue you know? At least this time someone will actually be reading it.
-Me
by KingRichard on Nov 10, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry...
it is just the usual University of Florida hot air that KR blows…just ignore it…like a mosquito.
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
GO GATORS! #1 TEAM IN THE NATION!
WOOOOOOOO!
I did this a few times at that dump of a site I used to write for so I figured, hell, why not try it out over at Stampede Blue you know? At least this time someone will actually be reading it.
-Me
by KingRichard on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
GOOD one. And ain’t it the truth? =-)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I agree. I definitely think Tom and Peyton are better than Drew Brees, but not because of or their lack of success in the post season. Games are usually won or lost as a team and he has never had half the tools Tom and Peyton have enjoyed.
Tom v Peyton has nothing to do with Tom vs Colts D and Peyton v Pats D. It’s more Peyton v Bill B, IMO.
I’m excited about the game, but it’s not the best rivalry in sport.
Peyton v. Bill B
is the real matchup. Roidney Harrison brought up a good point Sunday when he said him and Law switched positions in the ‘04 playoff game to confuse Peyton. That’s Billy boy’s fiendish work.
Frankly...
I would LOVE to have a regular season where we didn’t have to play the Pats. We finish first, they finish first. We finish second, well guess who else finished second??? (not that the second place mattered anyway, we were scheduled to face the afc east this season) Now what two teams are again on the tops of their divisions yet again?
I could do without the stress NFL! Sure, a win is something that I can smile about for a year, but a loss puts me in a depression for at least a week, not to mention a damper on the season as a whole! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Anyway, lets hope for a good game, with no injuries.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 12:20 PM EST reply actions
Tie?
Or is that like everyone losing?
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Not everyone, just Donovan McNabb
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
On an unrelated note
I wonder what fool team will be stupid enough to sign Larry Johnson? lmao
last i heard...
the steelers, patriots, texans, and redskins.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I read something
about Belichick saying ‘Johnson will not be a Patriot’. It’s one thing signing someone like Moss who is a legitimate threat and force. But, Johnson sucks from what I’ve seen the last few years. And, when you look at all the disciplinary action taken against this buffoon, I’ll be curious to see how it plays out.
This is the my favorite matchup every year.
Last year was kind of lackluster without Brady and Manning still rusty from the knee surgery.
This game will at least approach the hype of the 2007 matchup, which featured one of my favorite plays ever watching the Colts despite the loss.
by torontocoltsfan on Nov 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions
Ah memories. Great video.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Great video
For some reason I always think that play was in the 2006 AFC Championship.
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
by DontHateAddai on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That was the best play we had all year.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is my dad's favorite scene from one of my all-time favorite shows. Full of win, IMO.
That was Bill Simmons' low point too
After that game he wrote a long column about all the plays he thought the refs blew in Indy’s favor, including a block in the back that didn’t happen on that play. Even though the Pats WON. It was the most homeriffic piece of garbage ESPN has ever run. It didn’t even try to exist in a land of facts.
Thankfully, he has been a lot better ever since. Though I still take issue with him suggesting that Peyton only took the leap last season into “frightening clutch performer.” Peyton took that leap in 2005 when they were dominated by the Steelers but still could’ve/should’ve won the game. People just didn’t notice it til later.
Aaron Moorehead is good for something after all...
Who would have thunk it?
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 10, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
That play still makes me ill.
I’ll say this, though: it also shows that sometimes the best seat in the house really is at home on the couch. That air-cam is sometimes amazing.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
That one was my favorite.
Looking forward to more good puns. They have to be good though.
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Fantasy Football advice.
Hello all. I am in a bind and am not sure if I should veto this trade. Please take 2 seconds and tell me what u think. Its under Recent Fan posts.
By the way, Can someone create an animated gif of Brady jumping up and down then pumping his fists like a little school girl for roughing the passer. It was against Baltimore and Tommy was wearing his pink.
Go Horse!
Prediction: We lose the next two games
but finish 13-3, when we rest people in Buffalo and lose the last one.
2nd Seed, 1st round bye.
We beat the Bengals at home, we beat NE in Foxboro, then off to Miami to face the Saints.
I predict
we win the next two games by large margins.
by large margins?
The last 4 times Indy and the Pats played, there was only an 18 point margin among them.
Keep the faith!
Yeah, that was some bad wording there.
I think Marima meant a total margin of 18 points.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is my dad's favorite scene from one of my all-time favorite shows. Full of win, IMO.
No prob.
(That was me trying to act cool)
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I have a strange feeling that he knew that.
=-)
/welcome to smart ass central.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 10, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think the Patriots will probably keep in close. The Colts should win the game because they really are better on both sides of the ball at this point. Probably something in the 4-8 point range though.
The Ravens however… are highly over rated. The Colts also seem to just have their number. The last couple of meetings have been a total rout and I wouldn’t be surprised to see this one go the same way. I won’t go so far as to predict it, but if I saw the box score Colts 38 – Ravens 17 it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
The Ravens defense is awful this year,
and Peyton owned their normal, awesome defense. I’m looking forward to that game.
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Me too, we own the Ravens.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Better on both sides of the ball?
You could maybe make the case that the teams are evenly matched. But I don’t think you have an argument that the Colts are clearly better on either side of the ball.
Field Goals
Kickoff returns
Punt Returns
Kickoff coverage
Punt coverage
I’d say that’s a pretty good case for a New England edge in special teams, as well. Discounting for home field advantage, these teams are about as evenly matched as you could hope. This game is practically a coin-flip from a statistical perspective.
As Mr. Sloan always says, there is no "I" in team, but there is an "I" in pie. And there's an "I" in meat pie. Anagram of meat is team... I don't know what he's talking about. --Shaun of the Dead
by JohnHannahRules on Nov 11, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Prediction...
We win the next two games and lose the one at Houston. Lose one other random game along the way to finish 14-2. 1st seed and a bye. We beat the Bengals at home before losing to Pittsburgh in the AFC championship.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
If we end up with #1 seed -
no WAY we lose to Pitt again in the playoffs at home. NO WAY.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 10, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
agree
why would anyone predict a loss by the Colts? Especially in the playoffs….I mean really?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Well I was
making a joke due to that fact that the Colts always loose in the playoffs…
Man I will sure be glad when they get that Sarcasm button installed on this site
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
I didn't realize that there was a direct
correlation between resting starters in the final game and winning in the playoffs. Please tell me more about how we shouldn’t even show up in the playoffs if we rest our starters. I’m dying to hear it.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is my dad's favorite scene from one of my all-time favorite shows. Full of win, IMO.
Couldnt Find a "sarcasm button"
so damn it I MADE ONE!!!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
I'm not going to say anything... >:-)
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Already said it for you... ; )
There are only two teams that I really don’t care to meet in the playoffs: Chargers and Steelers. No one else in the AFC (if not the league) matches up well enough with the Colts to beat them consistently. I just don’t like the way we match up with those two.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'll be happy if we don't end
up facing each other, but it will be an epic matchup if we do. I can’t predict that scenario yet. The playoff picture is too cloudy.
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Fair enough...
I’m still hoping for the scenario that we end up playing Bengals/Broncos on the way to the super bowl. I have full confidence that we would own those two teams. Unfortunately, I think we are going to run into at least one team that worries me.
by invisibulman on Nov 10, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Let's do some simulations
Indy will almost certainly get the 1 seed. That means that they CANNOT face the three seed under any circumstance in the divisional round. Right now, the three seed projects to go to the Pats or PIT/CIN. The other of those two will grab the 2 seed. The loser of the AFC North between PIT/CIN will be the 5 seed. The AFC West champ will be the 4 seed in all likelihood, while DEN/SD or HOU will be the 6 seed. As I cannot see AFCN winner or NE losing to a 6 seed at home, the Colts will probably face AFCN loser or AFCW winner. You could luck out with CIN or DEN, or have to face perennial flies in the ointment PIT or SD.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
This is my projected seeding
1.) Colts
2.) Steelers
3.) Pats
4.) Broncos
5.) Bengals
6.) Texans (or Chargers, but I’ll go with Houston)
Pats beat Steelers. We get either Denver of Cincinnatti, each of whom I am not remotely in fear off. Even if the Chargers can sneak into the 6 spot, they probably don’t beat NE in Foxboro anyway.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
Why are you so sure that the Pats will win @PIT?
We destroyed them last year, when they were missing nobody other than Brady.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I meant to say that Pats beat Texans. I actually think you guys would beat the Pats.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
LOL, its cool
I would be worried to face the Pats in the playoffs, regardless of the circumstances!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
What I've always found interesting about Pats-Steelers games
Is that they’re rarely close:
2001 AFCCG: Pats lead 24-3 in 3rd quarter, 24-17 final
2002: Pats 33-10
2004: Steelers 34-20
2004 AFCCG: Pats 41-27
2005: The anomaly, Pats 23-20
2007: Pats 34-13
2008: Steelers 33-10
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
But it never seems easy
There’s always angst in the week leading up to the game and especially right up until the game starts and through the first quarter. The ‘04 Halloween game wasn’t even close, and last year the game was tied at the half and over from the first kickoff to start the third quarter.
The 2001 AFCCG was a nail-biter mostly because of the Brady-Bledsoe thing and the uncertainty of being able to close the deal or not. In 2007, the Steelers were supposed to be the team to give the Pats their first loss, but 2007 was an odd year all around.
I just never breathe easy around Pittsburgh, especially in the playoffs.
Keep the faith!
I hope my Colts friends don't take this the wrong way
But I’d be more nervous to face the Pats in Pittsburgh than the Colts in Indy. Probably because I have horrible, vivid images of the 2004 AFCCG seared into my memory.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion, the Pats 2004 team was the best one they ever had
They had a balanced offense with Corey Dillon who ran fierce for 1635 yards, and a defense that came up big when needed despite having to use WR Troy Brown at CB.
Keep the faith!
Yup, probably even better than 2007
Even so, I have never seen such a good team as the 2004 Steelers so thoroughly, utterly beaten, let alone at home in the playoffs. We had everything that season, everything except an experienced QB…
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
There was a place where you could be competitive against the 07 team. Double Moss, pressure Brady, and you could contain them. That’s all you need because they did not have a stifling defense like in 04. That 04 team was amazing. They held the #1 scoring offense to 3 and then put up 41 (sorry LV Steelers fan for rehashing this) against the #1 scorind defense.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
Well then,
I hope that the Colts give you horrible, vivid memories of the 2009 AFC Championship game too. So THERE.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is my dad's favorite scene from one of my all-time favorite shows. Full of win, IMO.
Ummm....
With your seedings, which I agree with basically(though I think CIN/PIT may be switched), first rounds would be:
HOU @ NE
CIN @ DEN
I’m taking NE and CIN there.
Then divisional round looks like:
NE @ PIT
CIN @ IND
I’ll take PIT and IND there, so AFCCG is:
PIT @ IND
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Prediction:
- seed one way or another. We play the Chargers at home and it comes down to whether or not Joseph Addai makes a play. He makes it, we win the game and go on to win the SB.
Gotta hate that stupid autoformatting.
Like it’s so hard to create lists the normal way. Stupid SB Nation.
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Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is my dad's favorite scene from one of my all-time favorite shows. Full of win, IMO.
If we finish 13-3 but only get the second seed,
who do you have getting the top seed?
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Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: This is my dad's favorite scene from one of my all-time favorite shows. Full of win, IMO.
Well, we know it won't be the Broncos, They were exposed last night.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Best Rivalries?
I’d agree with those above, Celtic v Rangers, with Yankees/Red Sox and Cardinals/Cubs filing in behind. Colts v Pats is next.
All that said, I am PUMPED!
My logic:
Since football is the only sport that matters, Colts/Pats = Best Rivalry. =-)
I subscribe to the George Carlin logic re: Baseball vs. Football
And soccer, really?
/SARCASM
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
OT: KSK's LOLNFL's
The Highlight
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
Embarassing
I like this site and check it all the time but it’s really embarrassing when BBS does the same thing he complains about Patriot homers doing. It’s hypocritical to act like Peyton’s stats speak for themselves and he doesn’t need as many super bowl wins as Brady and then discount Brees’ stats because he doesn’t have any big playoff wins.
When Brady had 3 super bowl wins and Peyton had none most of us would argue that Peyton was great in spite of him and his team not being able to do that well in the playoffs. BBS wants to have his way when it suits him and then flip it. Face it, Brees is being treated, by BBS, just like Pats fans and other Peyton haters/Brady lovers treated Peyton in the past when his playoff record wasn’t that good and he had no ring and great regular season stats.
Similarly
it’s interesting to me that nobdy ever seems to talk about Roethlisberger in this “greatest” discussion, and he’s won 2 rings.
Don’t get me wrong, I am a Manning lover and a Colts homer, but I can also call ’em fairly.
How can you not love a team that does this?
I guess Big Ben isn't mentioned as one of the "greatest"
because he isn’t flashy and the Steelers’ D gets all of the attention.
"Do I believe in aliens?" Stephon Marbury asked. "I don't know, because I've never seen one. But I believe in Jesus because I saw him in the shower the other day."
That may soon be changing as the defense ages and we focus more on our offense
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're on to something
I think someone either on Around the Horn or PTI mentioned that the media needs to focus more on Pitt’s offense.
"Do I believe in aliens?" Stephon Marbury asked. "I don't know, because I've never seen one. But I believe in Jesus because I saw him in the shower the other day."
Agreed
Everyone gave the defense credit for the win last night, but neglected to mention we racked up 320+ yards and 21 points in the second half, while the defense got burned through the air in the first half.
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by LV Steelers Fan on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Brees' stats
and Peyton’s stats are 2 completely different beasts.
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
Brees is just recently playing on that elite level
Peyton has maintained it for almost a decade.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
which is why
Brees is being treated the way he is being treated by BBS. Even before Peyton won a superbowl he was more elite than Brees is now.
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
Personally I think the playoffs distintion is dumb
and that Brees is ever bit as good a Brady, both of whom started producing on the elite level later in their careers than Peyotn.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 10, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Also Brees' play
(specifically last season) didn’t produce wins for the Saints. At least the Colts during the 2003-2005 seasons won enough games to make it to the playoffs. Brees was less than 20 passing yards away from breaking Marino’s record and his team finished 8-8.
"Do I believe in aliens?" Stephon Marbury asked. "I don't know, because I've never seen one. But I believe in Jesus because I saw him in the shower the other day."
How? That’s the point of stats. To evaluate and compare. Brees carries the saints like Peyts has carried Indy. I would think people would see how he is being treated similarly to how Peyton used to be (and still is treated by folks like Collinsworth).
How is he only now playing at an “elite level”?
Maybe it would be worth arguing if you actually would look at stats and evaluate things logically instead of being insulted when I point out there is no reason to denigrate Brees’ accomplishments for lack of playoff production when that has bothered us Colts fans when it was done to out QB. It doesn’t mean anything bad towards Peyton. Pointing out the accomplishments of someone else doesn’t diminish anything Peyton has achieved. You don’t need to jump in and protect him, since I’m not attacking my favourite player. Sheesh.
Brees has been elite
for the past 3 seasons. Thats it. He has been puttin up Peyton numbers since he came to New Orleans. Peyton has been elite pretty much his whole career except for his rookie season and Peyton wins games. Like they have said, Brees threw for over 5000 yards last year…..whoopdy doo because they only won 8 games. You need stats and wins to be on Peyton and Toms level. Brees is not there yet.
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
These are called stats. They don't change Peyton's stats or diminish him in any way.
-24 td minimum since ‘04 (27, 24, 26, 28, 34)
-3 seasons of 4000+ (and soon to be a 4th)
-he’s likely to have more yards after this season than anyone did in a 4 year span
-was 58 yards shy of beating Dan Marino’s record for yards in a 3 yr span
-career compltion % (64.2) that is not far off peyts’ 64.7
-brees is #5 in compeltion % in history (behind pennington, warner, peyts, young)
-brees’ 04 was the 15th highest rated season (rivers last year was the 13th)
-it has onyl been 3 games but drew’s playoff rating is 92.7 which is 2nd among active qbs behind warner
-drew got to the nfc champ game in his 2nd playoff appearance (took peyts longer than that)
-drew has 2.7 int% ratio in career (which is absically what peyts is now)
-7.30 yards per pass attempt (higher than brady. peyts is 7.68)
-brees’ winning % is 55.2
-career rating 90.5 (peyton – 95.3)
-played 69 games less than peyton (is 3 years younger)
He had a mediocre first 2 years as starter whereas peyton got going his second. He’s been elite ever since.
The above are stats of BREES
Just to clarify.
-26 td minimum for his whole career
-only threw for under 4000 yds twice in 11 year career
-only QB to throw for 40,000 yards in a decade
-the same year Drew threw for over 5000 yards, Peyton made the playoffs for the 7th straight year while Drew sat at home and watched.
-Peytons 04 season was THE highest rated season ever. Period.
-playoffs? 3 games is not enough to rate playoff performance.
- Playoff records
Most 300+ yard passing games: 6 (tied with Joe Montana)184
Most 400+ yard passing games: 2 (tied with Dan Marino)185
Most yards passing, 1st half of game: 360 vs. Denver Broncos, 1/9/05186
Led the biggest comeback in conference championship game history (18 pts), 1/21/07 vs. New England187
One of only four QB’s to post a perfect 158.3 rating in a game (Don Meredith, Terry Bradshaw, Dave Krieg)188
One of only three QB’s to complete 30 or more passes in 2 playoff games (Warren Moon, Tom Brady)189
Most consecutive games with 20+ completions: 7 (tied w/Tom Brady)
-Peytons winning percentage including a 3-13 rookie season is 66 %
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
The above are stats of Peyton
Just to clarify
/bein a ass
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
I know Peyton’s stats since as I said above he’s my favourite player and many people here are familiar with his stats. The discrepancy seems to be in their inability to compare Peyton to other QBs and keep the same criteria and put aside the bias and just look at facts.
I would say all these are elite qbs and think the stats agree.
peyton manning/brees/brady in the same amount of attempts that brees has had:
2485-3916, 29696 yards, 218 TDs, 120 INTs, 92.4 rating, 63.5%
brees
2515-3915, 28594 yrds, 185 TDs, 106 INTs, 90.5 rating, 64.2% comp
brady
2480-3926, 28478 yrds, 212 tds, 90 INTs, 93.4 rating, 63% comp
look
Peyton and Tom are the top 2 elite qbs in the league. Brees does not belong to the club yet. This is not just my opinion but the opinion of alot of people. He’s close. But not there yet.
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
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