Established media clearly did not like the outcome of Patriots v. Colts Sunday night
by BigBlueShoe on Nov 18, 2009 11:07 AM EST
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This is one of the rare times I link to a Cold Hard Football Facts article. I find many of their writers there pen pieces that read more like a third grader's show-and-tell essay rather than informed sports media. One of their particular points of annoyingly ignorant emphasis is to state that the play of Peyton Manning in the playoffs has been consistently sub-par throughout his career. Despite a myriad of statistical evidence that simply does not back up their claim, some of them still hold onto the dated notion that Manning "folds" in crunch time. And I'm sure that some of those people are likely dismissing Manning's fourth quarter brilliance against the Patriots Sunday as just another Manning moment in the regular season.
They're just haters, and they don't like being wrong. Sad, if you think about it.
However, CHFF did make a great observation after the Patriots v. Colts Sunday night thriller, and it is something we here have noticed: The established media is clearly annoyed the Colts won the game.
Contrary to popular belief, corporate media houses like ESPN come into games with a set story, or narrative, that they plug from beginning to middle to end. They hit this narrative time, and time, and time again, and if the game shows even the slightest inkling of their narrative's "truth," they hit it even harder after the game.
For example, lots of people said the Patriots would attack the Colts injured secondary, which they did. By quarter three, the narrative was in place. The Patriots had attacked Indy's secondary, scored a bunch of points, and thus a "W" for New England was guaranteed.
Then, the fourth quarter happened, forcing all these lazy media jackals to change their pre-written stories, sit through a late night of football, and watch the Colts beat the Patriots despite the fact that New Engalnd did exactly what they wanted to do... and yet still lost.
When the game doesn't go as the established planned it to go, when their "analysis" is shown up for the massive, stinking pile of manure it usually is, that tends to kind of annoy the big media powers. This is why you are seeing so many columnists and media personalities essentially dismiss the Colts beating the Patriots (again), and blaming the Pats loss not on the team folding in the 4th quarter (which they did) but on Bill Belichick's terrible coaching decision on 4th and 2.
I mean, the loss cannot possibly be explained as the Colts simply being better than the Patriots. I mean, HA! That thought is ludicrous! I mean, forget that Indy has now only beaten New England five of the last six meeting, with three of those meetings being 4th quarter comeback wins. Peyton Manning and the Colts offense have absolutely torched the Patriots defense in literally every game since 2005. Defensive end Robert Mathis has given Tom Brady fits. And even without Brady Bane Bob Sanders playing, his replacement (Melvin Bullitt) played an outstanding game, especially on the now infamous 4th and 2 play.
Here's the truth about this game, whether big media or Patriots apologists want to admit it or not:
- The Colts, right now, are better than the Patriots. No debate. No question. Indy outscored them 21-10 in the fourth quarter and smothered their offense for much of the second half.
- Randy Moss disappeared in the 4th quarter while Reggie Wayne made big catch after big catch. If you are going to tell me Moss is better than Wayne, I will have no choice but to laugh in your face and insult your mother. Great players show up in the 4th quarter. Moss had one catch for 8 yards in quarter four following his very early 5 yard TD grab at the 14:18 mark.
- The Patriots are flat out scared of Peyton Manning. The only thing that motivates the 4th and 2 call is not "guts" or "stones" or "unconventional coaching." It's fear. Belichick had no faith in his defense late in the game, and why should he. Brandon Meriweather had only one tackle for the whole game and Jerod Mayo's name was never called in the 4th. Manning had worked two TD drives, each taking roughly 2 minutes and going the length of the field. Whether giving Manning a 28 yard field or a 65 yard field, Belichick felt he would score a TD on his defense. Thus, 4th and 2. If you try to sell me or anyone else with at least two marbles in their head, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you didn't see that call as anything other than fear, you're blind.
The last point there is likely why so many schmucks are having trouble understanding this game. The narrative out there is that Belichick fears no one. He's a "genius" after all. For years, he "owned" Peyton Manning. He could just whip up any defense and it would be enough to stop the supposedly "great" QB.
Again, I don't think people who really think this nonsense have been paying attention.
Peyton Manning has dominated the Patriots and their defense for the better part of four years. Whether it is coming back to win in the 4th quarter, or dropping 41 40 points on them in their house, they simply have not found a way to stop him. Hell, they can't even slow him down!
So, please excuse me when I say that those who think Belichick isn't afraid of Manning need to STFU already! The guy is terrified of Manning! And he damn well should be. And despite the fact that the Colts are 9-0 and have beaten better quality opponents than the Saints (who nearly friggin lost to the Rams this weekend), we still have some idiots, like Yahoo's Charles Robinson, who do not consider the Colts the best team in football right now. Hell, Robinson thinks the Bengals are better!
When it is all said and done, power rankings and media opinions mean nothing. At least one of the teams playing in the Super Bowl will likely be a club people will go "Huh?" about. What frustrates me is that after winning in impressive fashion, beating a tough opponent at their own game, and standing (currently) at 9-0, no one is talking about the Colts as an dominant football team. They just won their 18th straight regular season game, which broke a record set by (guess who!) the New England Patriots. Yet, no one is talking about the Colts? AGAIN! Hell, in Vic Carucci's little mind, the 9-0 Colts are not good, just lucky (Tip to thebossuzzi I mean, WHAT! 18 straight wins via blind, stinking luck?
It's sad. It's head scratching. It's typical big media hate for the Colts.
If our team were the Cowboys, Ravens, or (hell!) even the Raiders right now sitting in the same position, you'd see a lot more coverage. The sad reality is that no one gives a turd about a great team from Indianapolis. Even with the best football player on the planet playing on our team, no one in big media gets excited about Indy.
And because of this bias, thus we have blogs like this one and sites like CHFF.
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I'd much rather have little to no press coverage right now
than having everyone ball wash us. It will keep the team focused (well at least us fans, who knows how much the media actually gets into the locker room).
Yesterday Sportscenter went to Belichick’s live press conference and then talked about his call. Today they once again went to his, apparently daily, live press conference and even though he didn’t talk about the Colts game at all, Sportscenter went right ahead and talked about his call and the state of the Patriots. It’s pretty funny.
I agree with this.
F@#$ media coverage. It is distracting and irrelevant. More importantly, it means NOTHING. See ESPN’s infatutation with the 07 patriots. Our players don’t need the attention, let lesser teams get told that they are better then they are. We can get our “attention” when we win the superbowl.
Honestly
ESPN still thinks it is 03, 04 or 07 no matter which other team is playing better than the Patriots. If I was a Steeler fan, I think it would bother me even more because the Steelers, although with one less Super Bowl this decade, have been just as dominant as the Pats and for several decades now. But since they are from stinky Pittsburgh and not the entire region of New England where they all live, it means nothing.
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
I agree too
Media sucks, period. If the Colts reach like 12-0, they will start covering it saying that the 07 Pats were better or some other sh*t. I prefer it this way, no question about it. If they are pissed about the Colts shutting their friggin mouths week after week, that’s OK, I love watching them mad beacuse the Colts keep proving them they are the best team in the NFL.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Nov 18, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
As long as the Colts have no one on the team that is willing to stick his foot in his own mouth, they are no good to ESPN. Manning always says the right things, Caldwell is new, but says all the right things. Wayne isn’t a diva, Addai can only say 5 words so he isn’t worth the interview, etc….
The Colts aren’t sexy enough but who cares as long as we keep winning.
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
I absolutely agree
I haven’t seen a single piece, outside of Colts blogs, that gives the Colts any credit for this win, even though our offense scored FIVE freaking touchdowns, including three in the second half. I think it was sports illustrated that had the Colts ranked second, but the only sentence describing the team was something along the lines of “These guys don’t want to face New England again.” Are you kidding me? New England doesn’t want to face the Colts you stupid schmucks.
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
Record
I think we’ve only tied NE’s record of 18 straight wins, which is topped only by NE themselves with 21 straight wins.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Isn't there another team in between there somewhere?
/too lazy to look it up
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 18, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don't recall
I thought it was:
1. NE, 21 wins
2. NE, 18 wins
I did a little Googling but didn’t find it in the few minutes I had to spare.
How can you not love a team that does this?
"Even with the best football player on the planet playing on our team, no one in big media gets excited about Indy."
Good football simply can’t come from the Midwest. The Iowa Hawkeyes had the same reaction (up until they lost their QB) from the national media. They had the nation’s second longest winning streak, were undefeated, had played 3 ranked opponents ON THE ROAD and won them all – yet most in the media just said the Hawkeyes were lucky.
The major media wants to please the masses on both coasts and Texas. Therefore, good football simply can’t come from the Midwest.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Nov 18, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions
No love from Boomer either
ESPN’s coverage of Monday night football failed to provide any props for the Colts, and instead continued the discussion on Belichek’s 4th down decision. In fact, Berman even stated that Manning did not play well, and was outplayed by Brady. This clearly, in my opinion, was a ploy to hype Brady over Manning. Don’t think Boomer wants to see Manning get another regular season MVP. Boomer is played out…
Brady did outplay Manning
Manning didn’t play terrible, in fact really really good, Brady played better.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
That supposed to be a joke?
Like how when Brady helped Moss make that one handed catch for 80 yards with Bethea in perfect position?
"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates."
Jay Leno
by MarshallPlan on Nov 18, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
"Brady played better"
The difference in the stats for the two is virtually zero. While Brady had a very, VERY slight statistical lead (negated largely by the fact that Manning had 4 TDs to Brady’s 3) it also has to be remembered that Manning was facing down a veteran Secondary. Brady had TWO rookies back there at CB to face off against.
No, Brady most certainly did not outplay Manning.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Nov 18, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Did Brady have more time and talent to work with?
Yes. But are you going to make the argument that Brady played inferior opponents with more talent and was statistically superior but was outplayed by Manning because he had less talent around him? Does anyone see the hypocrisy in that?
Manning’s two picks were ducks. Hell Manning’s first TD to Wayne was a duck that just happened to get there. Brady’s pick was more of a testament to Bullit’s brilliant play than Brady’s bad pass. Brady’s pass to Moss was a hell of a pass as well as a hell of a catch. We all know there is no defense for a perfect pass. Brady made some brilliant throws in the first 3 1/2 quarters, Manning struggled until the 4th quarter. 3 quarters of good play trumps 1 quarter.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
oh no my beef isn't with you
I was just offering an opinion on what you said. Its the statements underneath mine that I am targeting now. Both QBs were amazing and deserve props for that game.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Ever seen an NFL game before?
Brady couldn’t get 2 yards in 2 plays.
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Jay Leno
by MarshallPlan on Nov 18, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so you want to base his entire game on two plays?
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Yes
Thats what makes a quarterback. What can you do when it counts?
Your coach just told you to go win the game and you throw a 1 yard pass to your running back.
That is FAIL. Brady is garbage.
"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates."
Jay Leno
by MarshallPlan on Nov 18, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
do you watch the NFL?
That was the play that was called. It was in the books before the snap happened. So they told Brady here’s the play go win the game. He made the 1 yard pass to the RB. The fail was the fact that he was supposed to throw a 1 yard play to the RB.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
So that's how the nfl works?
You run a play to one player, with no other options?
Wes Welker wasn’t open on a slant five yards down field?
Go back to watching baseball, football is obviously too complicated for you.
"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates."
Jay Leno
by MarshallPlan on Nov 18, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
They have run that same play probably a thousand times
against the Colts and its nearly 100% successful. Brady made the play he was supposed to make, either Faulk or whoever called the play is at fall for not running the rout deep enough. Just like the TD to Addai earlier in the game. That pass was going to Addai from the point the play was called. It was built for him. Just like the last play was built for Faulk.
Keep up the douchey arrogance its very becoming of you.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
You're obviously just joking
No one is this obtuse.
"If God had wanted us to vote, he would have given us candidates."
Jay Leno
by MarshallPlan on Nov 18, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
nearly 100% successful
but not when it counted.
Brady didn’t have enough time to look for another receiver because he had Brackett in his grille.
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
but the point is that was the play
nothing was going to deviate them from that. History gave plenty of reasons to run that play. It was a play to Faulk. It was that simple the play was built for Faulk and executed for Faulk. Just like the Addai TD. It was specifically designed to do exactly what it did. The 4th down play did exactly what it was designed to do. Wasn’t deep enough to be successful but it was executed to perfection minus the bobble.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
not necessarily
but you can base the entire game on Peyton’s last two 4th quarter TD drives. Base it on the last TD to Reggie, and bum, guess who played better?
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Nov 18, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
by bum
i meant “boom”, sry
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
by BlueMark1821 on Nov 18, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'm catching your drift
that’s what I’m trying to get everyone not to do. Base your decision on the entire 60 minutes and I think Brady was marginally better.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
"but was outplayed by Manning"
Excuse me, but where did I say that? If you would read a little closer instead of jumping to ASSumptions you would have noticed my first line. I’ll repeat it for you since one time obviously wasn’t enough for your limited reading capacity:
“The difference in the stats for the two is virtually zero.”
The two played about even. The fact that Brady accomplished his end against rookie CBs only puts a fine point on the fact that Brady most certainly did NOT outplay Manning.
If Brady had not choked away a lead then you could well argue that he outplayed Manning. But choke away he did. Choking does not equal great play.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Nov 18, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah lets take a discussion and add insults that helps
I wouldn’t argue that Brady choked anything away. Play calling and the defense is what blew that game. Asking any more out of a performance that Brady gave is ludicrous. I don’t think the end results takes away from Brady’s performance. Brady never really had any performance issues during the game. He always did what you could ask of him. Manning struggled and his struggles were a reason the Colts were in a hole to begin with. He more than made up for it in the fourth quarter but it doesn’t negate his struggles in the rest of the game. Therefore Brady outplayed Manning in 3 quarters. That trumps Manning’s 1 quarter of better play. Brady wins 3-1.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Brady wins 3-1
does that give the Pats a 1/2 win then?
The game’s over and the Colts won. That’s really all that matters now.
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
it is
but I’m a college student with lots of down time. Gotta do something with my day. This is it.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
I've already got 18 under my belt
I just have a sweet schedule setup. Tuesday and Thursday is like high school again. But in turn I don’t have class Monday, Wednesday or Friday.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
"I wouldn’t argue that Brady choked anything away."
Then you didn’t watch the fourth quarter. His stats were a nat’s hair better than Manning’s and he faced rookie CBs all night long. How you can discount that is beyond me.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Nov 19, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Brady would have had four picks
If Powers held onto to two picks and Mathis didn’t block Brady’s pass, Lacey would have picked it off. Not to mention he did nothing in the 4th quarter. Manning outplayed Brady because he did what it took to win at the right time. Brady should be taking as much blame as Belichick, but neither should be taking that much blame because the Colts and Manning were simply the better team. If you think Brady outplayed Manning because of his SLIGHTLY better statistics, you’re wrong. Also, you didn’t take into account how many dropped passes Peyton had to deal with as opposed to Brady (who had virtually none dropped, other than the ones thrown to Powers).
It’s not bias to say that Manning played better. They both played great, but Manning did the things Brady could not while putting up with the mistakes Brady did not have to put up with.
by npb1985 on Nov 18, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
didn't think about the dropped passes
but that’s just a hazard of the game. I’d still argue Brady played better. Marginally, but better none the less. I don’t want to argue woulda, coulda, shoulda I’ll take what actually happened. Brady in a photo finish. It feels dirty to say but I believe it to be true.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
so every time Manning played great and the defense let him down
Manning was outplayed by the opposing QB?
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
If the opposing QB played better, than yes
In the 2004 game against NE, Manning was outplayed by Brady. In the 2003 game he was outplayed by Brady.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
Manning played better.
Manning had 176 yards and 2 TDs in the first half. He had 151 yards 2 TDs and 2 ints. in the 2nd Half. He was 9/11 (81.8%) for 119 yards and 2 TDs with an interception in the 4rth Quarter. Brady had 226 yards passing in the second quarter and a drive into the third. Take that away and he has 149 yards for the game. Manning played better. He had to deal with more drops, I counted at least seven, and the first TD Wayne wasn’t a duck that was lucky to be caught. It was a floater but was very accurate. Great quarterbacking isn’t always about end over end spirals.
Manning was getting less time to throw then Brady. The first pick was a bad throw but if anyone was due to make a bad throw at some point, it was Manning. The second pick was clearly a miscommunication between Manning and Wayne. Let’s put in perspective. Brady put up 24 points in the first half. Manning put up 21 in the 4rth quarter. Manning was off on a couple passes and wasn’t as precise as he was the first five games yet he was almost unstoppable when it mattered most. The stats don’t tell the whole story. Peyton played better.
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
by P0RKINS2 on Nov 18, 2009 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not going only on stats
there isn’t an argument to be made with statistics. They negate each other. I’m just going on old school scouting opinion. Brady “looked” better, the results don’t back this up, but game film does. Peyton came around when it mattered, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he outplayed Brady. Manning made more bad throws. Brady made less. On Sunday night Brady was greater than or equal to Manning.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
On 3rd and 4th down in the fourth quarter, where killing clock was of utmost importance
Brady was 1-5.
That is not great football. Brady had one great 20 minute stretch. Manning was amazing in the 4th quarter. His interception was due to a lack of communication more than a “duck”. And to call the first Wayne TD a “duck” is just ridiculous.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
it was dude
it was all over the place. I laughed it off because Peyton has always said it doesn’t matter how it gets there as long as it gets there. Which it did. But it wasn’t a great throw.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Manning doesn't throw the prettiest spirals
it got there perfectly, out in front, front shoulder. That was exactly where Manning needed to throw that ball, as the defender had back shoulder trail coverage.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
What...you wanna give style points...
Give it up. Manning took Brady by the hair and gave him a good hard one in the rear!!! Just surprised Brady didn’t beg for a flag LOL!!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
I like the flag joke
I’m sure if we got near him all night he would have gotten one.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
ya know this
thAt is why there is a rule for brady. don’t believe peyton has that distinction yet. lol
I believe Brady has 2..
pretty girl quarterback rules!!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
can we
move on to the Ravens already.
The only thing worse about this topic is how we will have to re-visit all this bullcrap if/when the teams play again in the post season.
Of course
Indy is a small city… only people like us who are fans like the Colts. The media only want teams from big cities to win because there will be a lot more people to care…
+1
I agree.
Not to take a shot at Indy’s fanbase, or dispute the fact that there are a lot of Colts fans across the nation/world. But I listen to NFL radio quite a bit, and they really cover the most popular teams with a lot more detail than teams in smaller markets, or teams with a less “storied” fanbase. I think its because they just cover who is perceived to be the most in demand from fans
I know a part of it is who calls the shows to talk about their teams………lots and lots of the calls are about the Packers, Cowboys, Steelers etc……….there just arent very many people who call in to talk about Indianapolis.
The Baltimore Ravens
I feel the same sentiment as BigBlueShoe. I listen to this senseless drivel on a daily basis either from the talking heads at ESPN or the idiots at NFLN. Most of them consider the game Sunday as New England merely losing and not Indy winning.
Well to that I say whatever…
I simply want the Colts to keep winning… We have a big game Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens and I think an even bigger game against the Houston Texans the week after that. I mean these are huge games that can spark the beginning of a magical run. (I can’t say that unmentionable phrase…) But lets move on from this game. We won they lost… to heck with Bristol and the rest of the media elite.
GO COLTS!
LOL...
the laugh in your face and insult your mother is golden!! God dang that was funny!!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
Don't agree
I think your analysis of the media is off-base. I agree with you to a certain extent that the Colts are largely overlooked as a serious contender, and their close wins are often followed by the words “lucky,” “suffering secondary,” and “bad calls.”
But the two examples given by you chastising Yahoo! Sports were erroneous! Mike Silver placed us Second in his power ranking (which he is loathe to do) and Robinson had nothing but praise for Peyton Manning. Even Carruci called the Colts one of the best team’s in the league.
Furthermore, Peyton Manning is unanimously considered a front-runner for the MVP race. No one, and I mean NO ONE, discredits him. And you have to agree, he is the heart of our team. So, ipso facto, by praising Manning, they are praising the Colts.
The Problem
I think the real problem with sports media is that any attention directed at the Colts is basically focused on Peyton Manning. Not that I don’t enjoy that……but it would be nice to get a little team analysis once in a while.
PeaceLoveAndPeytonManning
To me, this doesn't boil down to getting recognition
Well actually it kind of does, but not in a way where people glorify the team, I just want the recognition of giving credit where credit is due. Give the Colts credit for fighting back when they were down. Give the defense credit for clamping down in the second half. Give the offense credit for scoring in lightning speed pace the two drives prior to BB’s controversy. Thats all I ask. Sadly the media cant comply and state, “the Patriots owned the Colts for all 4 quarters”. They didnt. The Patriots only dominated the first half and part of the third
What else is new
I’m used to us not getting any respect no matter what we do, it is what it is. Had the roles been reveresed in the game Sunday night and New England had completed that dramatic comeback the exact way we did all we’d be hearing about is how Brady is Mr.Clutch yadda, yadda yadda. It’s these same people that ignore the fact that despite 08 when he was hurt Brady has not been clutch in the playoffs recently. Champ Bailey intercepted him in the endzone, the next year we intercepted him in the AFCCG, the next year NE got owned in the Superbowl.
Back to the game though, I was down at times but I never lost faith Sunday night because most of the game it always seemed to come back to only a 10 point deficit. Also I knew it would take our defense time to get adjusted because NE ALWAYS gives us looks they haven’t shown all year that’s just the way it goes. That’s the reason we were so much better on D in the second half. Do yourselves a favor and don’t watch ESPN anymore for it’s “expert analysis”.
IN POLIAN I TRUST
We flew in under the radar in 06 too...........
So let em keep thier props. The bottom line is this, “the great teams find a way to win the close ones.”
under the radar in '06 is an understatement
hell they were under my radar. Until the AFCCG, I didn’t think they would win the SB.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
I love flying under the radar
who the hell cares that nobody thinks we are the best team in the NFL? we somehow won a game where we probably should have lost. hell a quarter of the fans left Lucas with 4 mins to go. like you said “good teams find a way to win the close ones.” how did we win the first three playoff games in 06? you all remember.
I am totally cool with the mothership(ESPN) and the mainstream media giving us our props they’ll understand soon.
by Thedreamthejohn on Nov 18, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I love to fly perpindicular to the radar...
Diving down on it from directly above, then at the last possible second drop my nukes, pull up and jet out of there riding on the leading edge of the shock wave. Hold on…what were we talking about?
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 18, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You realize that means you only go around in circles, right?
;-)
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Wait... no... that would be *parallel" to the radar
(* Facepalm *)… and here I go thinkin’ I was being clever… :-(
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Thinking you were clever...
Was your first mistake! lol
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 18, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
Sad now... sad and humiliated!
(* sob! *) 
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Nothing is new
Nothing about this article is new, the media has kissed the Patriot’s ass since Brady took over the helm and they won their Super Bowls, and if you forget, aided by the refs by some horrible calls. The media will never give Indianapolis its attention because they loathe the Colts for one reason or another. We aren’t a huge market like Dallas or Pittsburgh, but hell, we WIN. We have been winning every season except two when Manning took over the helm. He is the heart and soul of our team and deserves the respect of every single football fan for the way he conducts the game. He has changed the way people play the quarterback position and forces the defense to be smart too. The previous comments are exactly right. IF the patriots had won, the media would be dismantling the Colts, talking about how Manning threw 2 ints that lost the game, that injuries had finally caught up with us, how our defense cannot stop a real offense, etc, etc. The fact of the matter is, that when our team had an opportunity to win, they TOOK it and succeeded. The fact of the matter is while it appears that the game was won on that play, it could’ve been won by making other plays, such as Maroney not fumbling into the end zone. It could also been a blow out in favor of the colts had Moss not made those two huge catches. The fact of the matter is the Media, namely ESPN is EXTREMELY biased towards the Patriots and will continue to suck Belicheats and Brady’s dick all day and night until he leaves the game.
Refs
Oh, another thing that I noticed that isn’t anything new is how the refs calmly turned a blind eye to all of the holding going on against the Colt’s D line. Mathis was pulled to the ground by his face mask on multiple occasions and although their left tackle did a good job against Freeney, got away with quite a few blocks in the back and holding as well. Just thought I’d point that out and see if anybody else noticed that Freeney and Mathis never have holding called against them even in blatant instances.
Typical media disrespect
They’re not even trying to hide bias anymore. Everyone on the planet knows that if the roles were reversed, the media would be slobbering all over the Pats again and crowning them SB champs. Yet, instead, they completely disregard the best team in football by choosing to rip Belichick instead, or disrespect them somehow after being 9-0.
A lot of this comes from the fact that no one up there actually watches the Colts. I know Bayless is about as credible as a photoshopped picture of the Loch Ness Monster, but a lot of people were acting like he was. He said without Jackson and Sanders, we would be lost. He obviously had no idea that Sanders had been out all year, and had only played two games in limited minutes. He also was clueless that Powers beat out Jackson for the starting job. After the game he clearly does not know rules when he said the fourth down should have resulted in a first……um, no it shouldn’t have, he clearly bobbled and landed a yard short…….and then in incredibly stupid fashion said Wayne got away with a PI on the game winner. Right……the DB held him and he put a nice swim move on him, but that’s PI……idiot.
Seriously, we could win out the rest of the season, win the SB, and we would receive less than 1/10 of the media love that the Pats got in ’07. In fact, it would all be about who should have won and how we lucked into it.
We are the best team in football. The patriots are not. ESPN and the rest of the “journalists” have no credibility or integrity left.
Agreed, but . . .
I have been very annoyed that every story is about Cheatin’ Bill going for it on 4th and 2 as opposed to the 9-0 Colts. Stuff like this is why I cancelled my ESPN the Mag subscription and rarely watch the channel or visit the stie unless I have to.
HOWEVER
Whilst complaining about the coverage, a good friend of mine gave me another way to look at it. He said, “Yeah, but think about it man. We just made them the joke of the week! Everyone in New England is waking up this morning pissed off, and they are all calling in to talk radio second guessing their coaches decision – just like we used to have to deal with.” I thought it was an excellent point. Oh how the tables have turned.
The Shogun of Harlem
I actually subscribed to ESPN Mag a month or so ago...
because it was some online deal cheat where I got it for $3 for 2 years. It costs more than that to print and deliver it. I ordered it only because I deliberately wanted to cost them money. I don’t even put it by the toilet. It just goes straight to the trash when it arrives.
On a separate note, there’s an awful lot of stupid in this article and especially the comments. (Not from you.)
Perfectly Content
With the lack of press. Let the saints bask in the media love fest. Colts have been here before, it’s an old hat for them. Hope the colts go under the radar all the way to the Lombardi Trophy
I'd donate a kidney in exchange for Pdiddy and my colts to get 2 more Super Bowl rings...That's LUV
by Bama Blue on Nov 18, 2009 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Blah
The only thing that would make you happy is if the Colts were in first place in everyone’s power rankings and covered 24/7 on ESPN.
The Colts have been in what..4 primetime games this year? Manning gets praise all over the place in the media. Indianapolis isn’t a big market, so it’s not going to get the majority of coverage. I’m over it.. I share the same sentiment as most of these replies, let the Colts fly under the radar. The less hype and talk, the less pressure.
by yellowsnow on Nov 18, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Manning/Brady
Brady did not outplay peyton Here is why. Manning had 3 time outs for the defense to use in order to get the ball back with time for the win. Brady used two time outs on the last drive and welker used 1 earlier for no reason. 2 of the three timeouts were on first down when the drive was just starting. look you have a,most two mins in between drive changes thats is why the broadcasters go to commercials during this time. 1 was used after the 3 & 2 play incomplete. Here is the deal, just one of those time outs would end this discussion because Bellichick would have challenged the play and then the ref could have reversed or confirmed the play. I do not think the video evidence would have been enough But after the game Bellichick said he does not know how we did not get a yard on that play. first of all it was fourth and 2 not fourth and 1, so he did get a yard just not the yard and half need to gain the first down. They lost and i do not care what the rest of the media wants to do or say about the colts, we will prove them wrong on the field where it counts.
see this is where I have the problem
everyone here is projecting the Patriots as a team’s failures onto Brady. The timeouts weren’t his fault. I think everyone here would argue that team failures aren’t necessarily individual failures. Both QBs play helluva good games. I wouldn’t say Manning outplayed Brady. If anything they were equal. I think Brady was ever so slightly better.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Welker
and then Brady because of personnel issues, not because of his issues.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
So I wouldn't put those flaws on Brady
that is a team issue.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Blatantly tooting my own horn here
Look how the time outs affected not only this year’s game, but also last year’s in my analysis here:
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/11/17/1161702/the-colts-have-invaded-hoodies
How can you not love a team that does this?
that's what I'm getting at
If you’re going to complain about playoffs being projected on Manning. You can’t project the team failures of the Pats on Brady. I’m just trying to point out and avoid hypocrisy.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Team failures
I don’t think I’d pin the Pats successes or failures all on Brady. The team did its best work when it had a strong defense and a reliable running game and didn’t have to rely on Brady and the offense to carry the load. Manning’s stats were not of the eye-popping sort during the Superbowl run, but damn…we had a very solid running game that year and, strangely, a defense that decided to play, oh, about playoff time.
I would argue, though, that Manning has put the Colts on his back many more times than Brady has done that for the Pats. If I’m a Pats fan, I’d be grateful for that; it means you don’t have to dramatically outscore the other team because your bend-but-don’t-break defense can’t get off the field; it might also mean that you have enough of a running game that you can get 1 or 2 yards in short yardage, game sealing situations (referencing our loss to the Chargers last year, not the Pats most recent loss to one of those undefeated teams).
The Colts go as Manning goes, but they’ll go much, much farther if other parts of the team do what they’re capable of. Chad Simpson, say whaaaat?
Man, I hope we all cherish the Pats vs. Colts rivalry. We’ll all be reminiscing about these days some years down the road. There are very few teams that I watch (like the Pats) and simultaneously think “holy shit that was a brilliant pass” and “i hate those f**kers.” When I see Rivers hang up a deep pass, I just think about how much he’ll cry and whine if it isn’t caught or if he doesn’t get a pass interference penalty. That guy, I dislike immensely.
by tenyardfight on Nov 18, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'd say you're correct
I just want to make sure I’m clear that I’m arguing last Sunday Brady vs. Last Sunday Manning. Not career vs. career.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Exactly...
I don’t give a rats ass about the media!! Like it matters to me…a fan…give me a break. Quit watching and reading the sports stories about the game. Jeez…Baltimore is coming up. I laugh that so many people get so worked up…save it for game day!!!
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Ravens get coverage?
The only reason the Colts made it to the super bowl is because the refs let the Colts offensive tackles line so far off the line the Ravens ends couldn’t get to Manning. Even with the refs cheating Manning still couldn’t throw a touchdown. The NFL doesn’t want Ray Lewis back in the super bowl and they have done everything possible to keep the Ravens out. The only way you will see them there is if they can clobber team into submission like they did on their way to super bowl XXXIV.
Who gives a shit about the Ravens??
Wrong blog butt munch!!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
"I never met a man I didn't want to fight." The one and only Lyle Alzado
Don't blame the refs for losing that game
Blame your offense. Your defense actually played excellent. I have never seen Peyton look as fooled as he did that day.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
Yes!
Let the ignorant Ravers trolling begin!
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 18, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Aren't you funny.
Did the refs force McNair into the goal line INT too?
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
Brady Vs. Manning
That’s a good topic for speculation, but we all know this is a team sport. Was Brady so absolutely brilliant during their Superbowl runs that he carried that team? No. Give that to a strong running game and one of the top defenses in the league. He played his part, but he didn’t carry that team.
You can babble about Brady outplanning Manning or vice versa on Sunday; what you can’t argue about is the fact that the Colts outplayed the Patriots. As important as Manning’s final drive is Bethea’s interception, Wheeler’s forced fumble, and, of course, Bullitt drilling Faulk. Team. Team. Team. That’s why we’re 9-0 and got the W. You can convince yourself that Brady is better than Manning (and of course he isn’t), but you cannot argue with the fact that the best team on Sunday won that game because…well, that’s who won.
Now, on to Baltimore.
good point. On a team level accomplishment, it goes to the Colts.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
pwnage
thats what happens when we face the ravens. Anyone remember that game we destroyed them in 07. I forsee something similar.
Yes I do
Ray has lost a step but is still very good at the game and getting the defense ready to play. Can not wait till the game.
I think us Colts fans should hold back on all this “how great the Colts are” and more or less ditching the capabilities of the other teams.
Yes the Colts are great BUT!, we are beginning to sound like that other teams fans, you know the ones that had that great run, remember how we and most other fans of the other teams despised them for the way they bragged.
Nice point..
ultimately…all fans are the same!
"If me and King Kong went into an alley, only one of us would come out. And it wouldn't be the monkey."
"I don't really trust a sane person."
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Ravens
This is always a good game and has the potential to be a loss. A few key plays by the Ravens D and Rice breaking a run here or a big return and there could be bad things. That said, I think the Colts will win this game and, hopefully, we’ll see Collie and Garcon step up and make up for some mistakes from the last week. With Powers likely shadowing Mason all day, I don’t see the Ravens gaining much yardage through the air. I foresee lots of dink and dunk and over hte middle stuff to Heap and Rice out of the backfield. Rice is a dangerous dude, but this team struggled to put up significant points against the Browns D. Freeney has to be licking his chops on this one too.
Always a chess match between Manning and Lewis, but I think the Colts have the better team on this one. Let’s see if Simpson, Brown, and Addai can get the ground game going.
And, honestly, I want us to win and all, but I could care less if we ever hear the “perfect season” crap again. It got old in ‘04. I’d much rather look at some stupid loss in the rear-view mirror of a Superbowl season.
by tenyardfight on Nov 18, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
IF
The Colts players have moved on from the Pats game which apparently no one else in the world has done yet.
The Ravens, playing without their second best defender (arguably), are on the verge of either making a run at the playoffs or folding. I think it will be a close game but only if the Raves can score into the mid 20s. They didn’t look good at all against the Browns and that is kind of hard to do.
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
News
Actually, I think some of the lack of coverage is that it’s not news that the Colts are undefeated. “Oh, the Colts are 9-0 again? Yawn I’ve already written about that numerous times.” So instead, a failed 4th and 2 attempt, which IS news, gets the attention. (i.e. don’t write about dog bites man; write if man bites dog.)
As a Colts fans, we’re truly spoiled by all of this success. I prefer that they keep “flying under the radar.”
very true
we are preety spoiled. I dont even want to think about the post manning days
Anyone notice the win streaks
We’ve now had win streaks of at least 7 games in the last 5 years in a row, and four of the five years, the win streaks have been of 9 games. I don’t know how this stacks up historically, but it seems the very epitome of a consistently great team.
Anyone Catch Deion Sanders Commentary Sunday Night?
Deion is a serious Colts H8R and Pats Patsy. His reaction to the game epitomizes your position here. Said call robbed the Patriots, that they owned the Colts. The Patriots had “swagger” and “dominated” the Colts. Why wouldn’t they go for it on 4th down?!?
Wonder of all his Colts loathing has to do with that Monday night game when he got caught from behind by Hunter Smith after he bragged that no kicker could catch him. Anyone else remember that?
Or when the Colts played the Boys and he was talking all kinds of sheet about how bad the Boys and he was going to beat the Colts and teach the Colts a lesson .
Can’t remember what season that was or what the score was,the Cols won and if I remember correctly by a large margin.
the best part
before that game Deion said he’d never get tackled by a punter. He got by everyone and was taken down by, I believe, Hunter Smith. Whoopsie, big mouth.
by ActionOxford on Nov 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo. Exactly what was referring to.
I was ROFL when Hunter the Punter caught him from behind. You should see the apologists for Deion after that. “he was tired after being on defense.” What. Ever.
Deion
No one in media hates the Colts as much as he does. We could list examples to support this all morning. He is an idiot and I typically turn the channel anymore when he speaks.
by coltsfanawalt on Nov 19, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Colts/Ravens
As a Colts fans, we’re truly spoiled by all of this success. I prefer that they keep "flying under the radar."
by Todd S.
They had the Ravens as one point favorites until the injury to Suggs and Nakamora. The Ravens had a chance, but losing Suggs for possibly the year is a killer.
am i crazy or are these moss and waynes stats for the 4th quarter...
Moss 2 catches 13 yds 1 TD
Wayne 3 catches 16 yds 1 TD
?
go mavs, go colts, go rangers, go baylor
I counted
Moss 3 catches, 17 yds, 1 TD
Wayne 2 catches, 16 yds, 1 TD
How can you not love a team that does this?
Nothing
just discredited his uninformed boast:
- Randy Moss disappeared in the 4th quarter while Reggie Wayne made big catch after big catch. If you are going to tell me Moss is better than Wayne, I will have no choice but to laugh in your face and insult your mother. Great players show up in the 4th quarter. Moss had one catch for 8 yards in quarter four in Indy.
Nevermind that maybe he disappeared because a) the coverage was better b) Brady didn’t play as well c) they weren’t throwing at him.
Of course, one could go find the stats about how often each player was targeted, but that would be too much work. It’s easier to boast about your own guy.
Moss was thrown to 4 times in NE’s 20 offensive snaps in the 4th quarter, catching 3 for 17 and a touchdown. This really isn’t too different from the 12 targets in the 52 plays of the first three quarters.
Moss is taller and faster, which are two enormous gifts that make up for the fact that Reggie does absolutely everything else better. You don’t have to put Moss down to praise Reggie. Especially when the reason you cite to downgrade Moss is also often applied almost exactly to our own famous receiver #88, who was very obviously one of the best ever.
FWIW
The Colts ran 16 plays in the 4th, Peyton threw to Reggie 4 times, one was the miscommunication INT, the 2nd was incomplete, and he made the two catches on the final 29 yard drive for 16 and the score.
I’m not trying to downplay Reggie’s significance here. But there’s really no evidence whatsoever that Moss “disappeared,” though I’m sure it’s easy to blame him in some way by assuming that he should’ve been the target on the decisive 3rd and 4th downs or something.
willyduer
You didn’t discredit anything, and don’t get such a big head on your shoulders, pal.
Moss caught a TD pass at the 14:18 point at the beginning of the fourth quarter. The next pass Moss caught was at the 10:10 mark on a drive that ended with a punt. That was the last pass Moss caught all evening. When the Patriots needed to convert a very key third down (or a now infamous 4h down), Brady did not target Moss. He targeted Welker and Faulk.
Meanwhile, Reggie Wayne in the fourth was the catching game-winning TD pass.
I think everyone else got my point, save you. Moss disappears consistently in the clutch, and because of this he is an inferior WR to Reggie Wayne. Bill Belichick was quoted recently about how amazing Wayne is: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2009/11/17/patriots_coach_belichick_quite_open_about_talent_of_colts_wayne/
Thanks for your comment, but next time know what you’re talking about.
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Moss wasn't targeted on key downs
because Welker and Faulk are there for that major reason. To convert short yardage situations. Moss is a home run hitter, not a possession guy. He wasn’t targeted because the situation changed and the Patriots were trying to milk the clock.
I’m pretty sure many just ignore what you write anymore because if anyone disagrees you post something like the above. It is always an insult about someone inferior knowledge or lack understanding. Yet you always seem to be the one being called out for faulty or misinformation. All you ever write is some piece bashing someone of a differing opinion. You’re a homer of the worst kind.
(Let me go ahead and write your response to this)
If you don’t like it stop reading it. You’re obviously mentally retarded and have no clue what you’re talking about. If you keep up this “trolling” you will be banned. This is a COLTS blog and if you don’t like this one I’d be happy to direct you to the links on the right side of the page. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Oh OK
Showing that your numbers and assumptions are wrong isn’t discrediting, it at the very least calls your opinion into question. Because that’s all it is: Opinion.
And there’s nothing wrong with that opinion. Reggie is amazing.
But the fact that they threw to their other high profile short yardage receivers in short yardage situations does not mean Moss “disappeared.” I’m quite sure that someone so inclined could find DOZENS of examples of the exact same thing happening with both Marvin Harrison (and Reggie Wayne) over the years – that was an (unfair) knock on Marvin for years. You’re also on the record calling Marvin better than Moss. So once again, you’re using logic that you’ve denounced when it counters your argument, but cite as unassailable when it does. You do this all the damn time.
You are the LAST person to talk to anyone about getting a big head. That’s just too funny. We both have big heads on our shoulders. The difference is that mine is right more often, is willing to admit the rare cases when it’s not, and mine knows how to spell.
*but
Left a word out after that first comma. Also, the word “discredit” was actually used initially in reference to LovinBlue using facts to address your statement that Moss disappeared and Wayne made all these big catches. Yeah, he caught the TD, but he caught that and the other quick one to start that drive. Moss had more catches that quarter. I’m not going to say that they were more important or amazing, of course. Only that he hardly disappeared.
Did the fact that Peyton threw that [stupid] fade route to Aaron Moorehead in 2003 mean that Marvin disappeared in that fourth quarter? He also “only” caught 3 passes that quarter. Must be he sucked.
You’re ignoring the idea that it’s not the receiver’s fault if he’s open but the ball is thrown somewhere else. Nor do I intend for this to be blaming a QB – sometimes routes are designed for other receivers, sometimes the QB is pressured into a quicker throw or checkdown, meaning Moss’s deeper route is unavailable. This is somewhat common, given the pass rush of a few monsters named Freeney and Mathis. Sometimes it’s thrown elsewhere because it’s too obvious to throw to Moss on every play. Moss’s worst plays that game were both in the first half – a dropped pass late and a blatant pushoff in the end zone on a ball that Brady threw away. He wasn’t spectacular in the 4th quarter, but he hardly disappeared. More importantly, the statistics that you used in support of that idea were incorrect. (By the way, you’re still missing one – he caught a short pass on 1st down at the 20 after Peyton’s INT on the drive that began at 7:44.)
Seriously. This isn’t that hard to grasp. There’s nothing wrong with having that opinion about Reggie vs. Moss. Especially on a Colts site. Just don’t misstate facts and make things up to support it. Saying “Moss disappears in big games” is no different from the asinine argument that Peyton is a choker. You’re better than that.
Good assertation: “I think Reggie Wayne is better than Randy Moss. He works harder, is more precise in his routes, is tougher, has better hands, and doesn’t have a history of childish antics. I trust him as much as I trusted Marvin in his prime.”
OK, that was a bit tame. But you get the point. Bad: “Wayne is better than Moss because Moss disappears when it counts. He’s a choker. If you disagree with me, even though I cited incorrect statistics, you’re an idiot and I’m going to insult you.”
See the difference? One is a great argument, if largely anecdotal and observation-based (though I believe that’s fair in this sport), and will promote healthy discussion and maybe some debate without controversy. The other just makes you look like an asshole and starts mean-spirited arguments.
+1
So true. All I care about is winning the Super Bowl again and I don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks about it.
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens....
being a die hard iowa hawkeye fan and having had to listen to the last ten weeks of hate by the media because the hawks werent chosen as one of the medias selected “chosen few of name teams”, Im getting used to it. the media has their name teams they absolutely love and will do anything to defend them (see the florida gators and the new england patriots) no matter how undeserving they are. while THE UNDESERVING team has a great comeback win they are lamenated as crap. oh its luck. the other team sucks. etc. while the chosen team has comeback win…its a thing of beauty and their qb is god. nothing changes. my favorite college team coverage has now turned into my favorite pro team of the same bullcrap the media is writing and now its all just a joke. the media is a joke and why Id rather read bloggers than the biased media of priviledged team and their garbage writing they think we are reading with a straight face
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by 805 on Nov 18, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions
Aren't you funny
Aren’t you funny.
Did the refs force McNair into the goal line INT too?
9-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Ravens….
by AceOfSpades
Why did the refs call Ed Reed out of bounds after he intercepted Manning’s pass and lateraled off the Macalister with a wide open field to maybe score a touchdown when replay showed he was in bounds?
Is BigBlueShoe always this moronic?
“Randy Moss disappeared in the 4th quarter while Reggie Wayne made big catch after big catch. If you are going to tell me Moss is better than Wayne, I will have no choice but to laugh in your face and insult your mother. Great players show up in the 4th quarter. Moss had one catch for 8 yards in quarter four in Indy.”
As noted above, Randy Moss had more catches and yards and as many touchdowns (3 catches, 17 yards, 1 TD) in the 4th quarter as Wayne did (2 catches, 16 yards, 1 TD). No wonder the post is tagged ‘bad journalism.’ And while I can understand the belief that Wayne is better than Moss, I don’t blame people who side with the guy who holds the record for TD passes in a year and will almost certainly be in the Hall of Fame, as opposed to a player whose HoF qualifications are debatable.
“The Patriots are flat out scared of Peyton Manning. The only thing that motivates the 4th and 2 call is not “guts” or “stones” or “unconventional coaching.” It’s fear. Belichick had no faith in his defense late in the game, and why should he. Brandon Meriweather had only one tackle for the whole game and Jerod Mayo’s name was never called in the 4th. Manning had worked two TD drives, each taking roughly 2 minutes and going the length of the field. Whether giving Manning a 28 yard field or a 65 yard field, Belichick felt he would score a TD on his defense. Thus, 4th and 2. If you try to sell me or anyone else with at least two marbles in their head, you are barking up the wrong tree. If you didn’t see that call as anything other than fear, you’re blind."
Maybe Belichick did it because statistics say that it was the best decision, as discussed here, here, here, and a bunch of other places, and illustrated here.
both can be true
The stats support it but that doesn’t mean Belichick wasn’t scared of Manning. Who the hell isn’t scared of Manning?
wait are you saying Manning's HoF qualifications are debatable?
or am I just not picking up what you’re laying down?
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
Wow, I'm pretty sure that's what he said
That pretty much rules out anyone on earth taking him seriously about anything.
I read that a good 6 times
and that’s what I’m getting out of it. Just wow!
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
ahhh
Actually that’s what I thought last night, but then totally missed that today when I re-read it.
Moss isn’t a shoe-in for the Hall either. Yet. Lots of voters will mark him way down for his time in Oakland. Which is ridiculous, given that he was the central element of the two highest scoring offenses of all time.
Wayne isn’t hall-worthy right now either. But that’s only due to his age. If he keeps it up at this pace he’ll be a no doubter. Marvin and Reggie are going to end up being more famous than Rice and Taylor or any other duo.
That's what I meant when I said I do not agree
Reggie has work left to do, but he’ll eventually get there, IMHO.
Bionicman can be ignored completely.
Manning is being heralded as perhaps the greatest QB ever. Many of his critics who used to downplay his greatness have come around these past couple of years to admit that he is phenomenal. The fact that Manning is the best in the game today is no longer debatable. He is. The new issue is whether he is the greatest QB ever or not.
This poster is either an idiot, and should therefore be ignored, or he is an antagonist and thus a troll, and should therefore be ignored.
by coltsfanawalt on Nov 19, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I was talking about Wayne’s chances at the Hall, not Manning. What made you think I was talking about Manning? I didn’t mention him once in that paragraph.
reply button is your friend
you mentioned season TD record. I think we all assumed you meant passing. I know I did
Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
To be honest. I felt the same way about us not getting credit and was p.o.ed. But then I realized how much that says about our team. People expect us to win and win big and when we dont win big we arent playing to our potential. Kinda cool if you think about it.
A Saints’ fan approached me and was talking about how cool it was that the Saints were hanging out with us in the undefeated territory and I made a comment about how they almost lost to the Rams and she said, ‘well we were missing 3/4 of our starting secondary and one of our star recievers.’ It got me to thinking…..SO WERE THE COLTS!! and they STILL beat New England. I may be a bit biased but I have to say that the Colts are the best team in the NFL at the moment!!
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