Your take on Trick Plays?
by BROWNdude on Nov 2, 2009 4:15 PM EST
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Hi folks,
Just wanted your take on the colts using more trick plays. I for one, love trick plays and feel like the colts need to use them more often. All of last week almost everyone on here shot the idea of a wildcat/wildcolt down and everyone's reason for this was that why would you want to take the ball out of Peytons hands, but as we saw yesterday even he sometimes cant get in going and oddly enough, Addai throw the game winning TD. I am not in support of the wildcat, but feel like a few more trick plays can help this team out.
In the years past, i would have been totally against it but this team is not very good in short yardage situation and i feel like a few trick plays can keep the defenses on their hells and may allow us to pick up some of those yards easily. Think about it... instead of having Addai throw a deep pass, have him throw a 5 yard out route to a TE. I also think we should use the flee flicker more on short yardage situations. If we can get a reputation of being a team that uses trick plays on 3rd and short, it will force teams to prepare for them and may help us find more lanes to gain those yards.
One final crazy though, how about using Sanders as a fullback? He would blow up a defender and cause pain to a defense.
What do you guys think?
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Until yesterday, I thought trick plays were bush league...
funny how quickly I changed my mind. lol
it will force teams to prepare for them and may help us find more lanes to gain those yards
I was thinking about that this morning. I wonder, will that pass by Addai affect the way teams will prepare for us?
I don’t want to have to use trickeration all of the time, but hey, when necessary I have no problem with it.
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by peytonsthebest on Nov 2, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was one of those who shot down the wildcat idea.
I said something about never take the ball out of Peytons hands. Then the play yesterday happened. I liked it because it worked. Trick plays are fun to watch, I’ve always wanted the Colts to do a fake punt.
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by Indy Lori on Nov 2, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
They did before.
Justin Snow attempted a pass to someone (don’t remember who). It didn’t go well.
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by Cassieper on Nov 5, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would keep running the half back option
till teams started covering Wayne when he runs a route on the stretch. Ive always wondered, since Peyton can sort of shadow Addai on the stretch, why they never run a flea flicker off the stretch, but now adays I don’t think Addai gets enough protection to stop and toss it back to Peyton.
I’m all for trick plays. Whatever they are. The “goal line package” reverse with Dallas is a sort of trick play. If the defense is selling out to stop something "trick plays’ is just a way of saying the offense took advantage of defense that didn’t maintain responsibility. Someone was supposed to cover Wayne when he runs that route. Just like someone is supposed to guard backside reverses when Dallas goes for 13. Or how people were supposed to cover the down field players on all those Randel El/Hines Ward trick plays back in the day. Trick plays, on offense or defense, only happen because people are being over zealous and not minding their responsibilities.
by SpazMo on Nov 2, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here's the thing we have to remember about trick plays
the more we use them, the less effective they become. The end around to Dallas for the first down, Addai’s TD pass, they are effective because we hardly ever run trick plays and when we do, they go for big yards.
The element of surprise is a big one.
by MarkFive05 on Nov 2, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i agree and disagree
the more you use them, the more your base options out of that formation work better, imo, because people are being more aware/accountable for the trick portion of the play.
by SpazMo on Nov 2, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
used sparingly they can be very effective, but the key is SPARINGLY. The problem being is they are great when they work, but if you do it too often, and people anticipate it, when they blow them up it is usually a big lose.
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by bluegirl on Nov 2, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love unusual stuff that is run from base formations and off of basic plays used sparingly
it’d create a big play or two and put a concern in the minds of the opposing defenses on a big chunk of the Colts normal plays.
The Stretch HB Pass was great in that regard. The CB and Safety on the play side will be a lot more hesitant to rush up to stop the play the rest of the year.
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by shake n bake on Nov 2, 2009 5:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea, and
the key word there is ‘option’. Addai has the option to run the ball if its covered (or throw it away), so it should be a minimal risk play unless he tries to force something (which he did, as a rookie, but he’s probably more mature now)
by SpazMo on Nov 2, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the only other dropback NFL.com has him taking ended in a 3 yard sack
though I do seem to remember him throwing once. Called back by penalty or something to make it not official?
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by shake n bake on Nov 2, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he threw the half back option
against denver in 06. I remembered that immediately yesterday, but they mentioned it last night on fbnia i believe… it would have been picked off at the goal line, but reggie wayne got called for OPI (which he did, but he had to to save it). That was the crazy back and forth game where the colts ended up winning on an AV fg at the end of regulation.
by SpazMo on Nov 2, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, so that's why it isn't in the record
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by shake n bake on Nov 2, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Reggie selling the run GREAT by actually starting to block the guy coming in and then running out….every person on the defensive unit bought that play…it was sold to perfection.
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by coltsfan723 on Nov 2, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that block and release is a nice move when the effort is but in to sell it
Iowa got two 30ish yard TDs in the same game from TE Tony Moeaki running that move earlier in the year.
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by shake n bake on Nov 2, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't mind trick plays
The Wildcat isn’t a trick play, though, it’s a specific offensive set. And you need to have the right personnel and to practice it extensively for it to be effective. Even then, as we’ve seen the past two weeks, unless you have a genuine dual threat receiving the snap, it can be shut down by ignoring the pass.
Trick plays are one thing, and I like them – whatever it takes within the rules to get the result – but we can’t run the Wildcat and shouldn’t try.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 3, 2009 2:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Addai's play
I was glad to see the Colts use that play. I think plays like that are good to use. But you don’t want to use them too often. You don’t want the defense to come to expect them. Keep the fundamentals but use the trick play for when you want to make a game winning play. So that way the defense doesn’t expect it.
by ColtsFanInEnemyTerritory on Nov 3, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trick Plays are great.
They can tell you alot about a defense (yours or theirs):
Does the defense have good awareness?
Do they overpursue?
Are they more phyisically gifted than the average players at their positions?
Are they disiciplined and/or well coached?
These are all things you need to konw about your D if you want to win championships.
by vintagephoenix on Nov 3, 2009 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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