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More bad journalism (read at your own risk)


Well, I'm ashamed I'm doing this and normally I try to be the bigger man, but I have to rant about more bad journalism. I came in today and turned the TV on, which happened to be on ESPN2 as a 1st and 10 segment was airing. I generally don't watch, but it just happened to be on, and Rob Parker and Skip Bayless were debating whether or not Philip Rivers is a top 5 NFL QB. They also had their own lists. It was like a car wreck. You know it's going to be bad, but you have to watch.

Skips argument was for Rivers inclusion, and part of his basis was that he "outplayed" Peyton twice in the playoffs. That lit the fuse. Here are the stats from those two games:

2007:

Rivers: 14/19, 264 yds, 3 TDs, 1 pick, 128.6 rating. Manning: 33/48, 402 yds, 3 TDs, 2 picks, 122.5 rating. Statistic-wise, Rivers was slightly better, but the Colts D played very poor, and did not have Freeney or Mathis. Add that in with Harrison's fumble deep in SD territory, ending a likely TD drive, and Manning's pick that went through Wayne's hands, also in SD territory thwarting a likely scoring drive. It's debatable, but Rivers did not technically "outplay" Manning.

2008:

Rivers: 20/36, 217 yds, 0 TDs, 1 pick, 91 rating. Manning: 25/42, 310 yds, 1 TD, 0 picks, 131.7 rating. Here, it's not even debatable. Rivers sucked, Manning did not. And Manning did that despite their punter putting 5 punts inside the 15, and 4 inside the 10 (one went to 5, one went to 1). Our D and Special Teams got their ass kicked by Darren Sproles' 328 total yards and they won the coin toss. Manning did not touch the ball in OT. A bunch of crappy calls by the refs gave SD their winning drive.

So although SD outplayed us, or to be biased, we beat ourselves, but Rivers did not outplay Manning either game. Also in the segment, Bayless and Parker listed their top 5 QBs. Bayless picked Brady 1, Manning 2, and Parker picked Manning 1, Brees 2, and Brady 3. This annoyed me moderately, just b/c it was Skip, but didn't send me into a rage. Skip's next comment, however, did. He asked Parker why he put Manning 1 over Brady. He asked in the same tone one would use if asking, "Why would you eat a Big Mac right before running a marathon?" Then Parker acted like it was only because he didn't think Brady was healthy (basically indicating a healthy Brady is better). Skip then got fiery and started the "rings" and postseason BS. Parker moderately shot that down by saying it's been a long time since that Super Bowl win, but still was soft in Peyton's defense. I swear, I feel ESPN rigged that "debate" just to try and put down the factual Manning>Brady debate that was settled last Sunday.

So far this season, Skip has undermined the Colts by saying (1) they're facing too much change---a stupid argument that has long since been proven false; (2) Losing Sanders and Jackson for the season would torpedo us---He clearly did not know Sanders had been out all year and played limited in 2 games, or that Powers played in front of Jackson all year (EDIT from previously); and (3) saying the refs probably got the 4th down call wrong and Wayne should have been flagged for pass interference.

Sorry for yet another one of these annoying "ESPN is evil" posts. I have basically shrugged off the disrespect most of the season, but the lack of respect (as in none at all) we received for the come from behind win all this week has been frustrating to say the least, and the moronic Bayless comments was the final straw. Regardless of the game's outcome and the Hall of Fame QB poll, ESPN chooses to keep ignoring the Colts unless they are undermining them and Peyton. I am certain if the Colts and Pats had their roles reversed this season, the media would already have crowned NE champs for this season and next. Hopefully, we can shut all these clowns up once and for all in February.

EDIT:

I had attempts and completions in the opposite fields, so it screwed up. In 2007, Manning had 97.7 rating and Rivers had a 133.2, while in 2008, Manning had a 90.4 and Rivers had a 61.9. So rating wise, in 2007 the edge Rivers held over Manning was much larger, and vice versa in '08. Thanks to P0RSKIN2.

Okay.....Phew! Got that out of my system.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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It's best just to ignore Skip Bayless

He’s famous for logic like that. Team win = better QB. Brady is better than Manning because of his rings. Manning choked in all their losses. Etc.

What were their top 5s? I bet one of them had Eli in there.

Rivers was overrated the year he made the Pro Bowl over Brady, but then sort of underrated the next year (odd, but largely due to the stupid reasoning that he’s the one of the three in that draft to not win a ring). There’s been enough great QB play this year though that I would probably drop him out of the Top 5 – he’s probably in the 7-8 range. Certainly better than Eli, though his floaters and stupid face make it tough to take him seriously.

by willyduer on Nov 20, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

I know

I generally try to boycott Bayless as much as possible. The few times I watch is when I want to see him to cower down and admit he’s wrong, but he never does, obviously. It also pisses me off that most of the time the guys that debate him generally agree with most of what he says, or if not, state their position as if they are unsure. It kills me.

As for their top 5, Parker’s list was, I think,
1. Manning
2. Brees
3. Brady
4. Rodgers (can’t remember here, but I think that’s who he said)
5. McNabb

Skip’s, I think, was
1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Roethlisberger
4. Rivers
5. Favre

by npb1985 on Nov 20, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Parker had Rodgers at #4

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Nov 20, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

I’m as big a Rodgers shill as they come but I wouldn’t put him THAT high.

I think he can be, but the ball-holding issue needs to be solved to get that much credit. He sure can make plays with the best of them though.

by willyduer on Nov 20, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I rush to the TV, don't even bother looking around for the remote

when I hear Bayless’ voice because whatever he’s saying is guaranteed to just piss me off.

Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.

It's shocking how much can slip your perception

by shake n bake on Nov 20, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

I should probably restate that

He didn’t exactly beat him out, but played in front of him while injured. When Jackson came back from injury, Powers kept the position and Jackson played nickel. I am not sure if they would have switched back or not, but yeah, technically you’re right.

by npb1985 on Nov 20, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Well even when Jackson came back he was nowhere near 100%

No dummy coach would’ve started Jackson in that condition.

Oh no!

by Bluedude on Nov 21, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Skip is just another useless talking head.

He’s a little girl, and everything he says is hogwash EVERYTHING!

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Nov 20, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

Manning's INTs

In 2007, wasn’t one of Manning’s INTs due to Kenton “Stone Hands” Keith in the red zone (or near the red zone)?

by TouchdownMonkey on Nov 20, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

Yes!

Thank you! That was killing me. I couldn’t remember what the other pick was. Wayne’s went through his hands, but it was still a little high, but the Keith one was unbelievably dumb.

by npb1985 on Nov 20, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

well

The only other person named Skip Ive ever known was in Jr. High school. That guy used to try to bite his own face, and swat at bugs that werent there.

They may be related.

by MARVININDY on Nov 20, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

Is that that Middle Aged Guy with the semi-high pitched voice who looks pissed off all the time.

"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning

by P0RKINS2 on Nov 20, 2009 5:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yep and to keep your sanity,

avoid him at all cost.

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Nov 20, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The passer rating system your using is for NCAA.

Just so you know.

"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning

by P0RKINS2 on Nov 20, 2009 9:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Wait, I'm still wrong, though

the attempts and completions in the opposite fields, so it screwed up. In 2007, Manning had 97.7 rating and Rivers had a 133.2, while in 2008, Manning had a 90.4 and Rivers had a 61.9. So rating wise, the edge Rivers held over Manning was much larger. I’ll change that in my post.

by npb1985 on Nov 21, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

skip bayless:journalist mcdonalds:fine dining

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly

Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Nov 21, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Your analogy

is too demeaning to the quality of McD’s.

by coltsfanawalt on Nov 21, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

+88

"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning

by P0RKINS2 on Nov 21, 2009 7:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Skip Bayless:Journalist Rex Ryan and Charlie Weis:Fit

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly

Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Nov 22, 2009 4:04 AM EST up reply actions  

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