Bill Polian lays the kibosh on any lingering Joseph Addai hate
Several weeks ago, I wrote this little comment about current Colts running back and fan whipping boy Joseph Addai:
This is a post saying that much of the "Addai sucks and we need to get rid of him" rhetoric simply does not hold water anymore. Joseph Addai is a fine running back when he is healthy. No, he is not Adrian Peterson. Then again, Joseph Addai hasn't fumbled the ball 15 times in two years like Adrian Peterson has (most in the NFL). So, maybe not being AP is a good thing.
Addai is a solid, tough, multi-talented back. All he needs now is some better blocking up front and everything will be OK.
During this past off-season, no Colts player was as bashed and berated as Addai. Fans seemed to blame him, and him alone, for the team losing the Chargers in the playoffs. I was one who did not buy into the hate, but I was willing to let Addai prove his detractors wrong by playing better in 2009. For me, Addai has done so, playing brilliantly so far despite the fact that his yard per rush numbers are low (3.5 a carry).
Last night on the Bill Polian Show, the Colts president seemed to agree with my assessment of Addai, ending any and speculation that "Addai is the problem." From John Oehser:
"The statistics aren't there, but he's having a terrific year," Polian said Monday on his weekly radio show on Hank 97.1 FM in Indianapolis.Polian said Addai's value to the Colts extends far beyond statistics, and into the intricacies of a complex offense.
"People say, 'Well, Joseph has slowed down,' or, 'Joseph isn't what he used to be,''' Polian said of Addai, who rushed for more than 1,000 yards in 2006 and 2007 and made the Pro Bowl in the latter year. "Try picking up five blitzes a game on [Ravens MLB] Ray Lewis and see how much you have left in your legs. It's very difficult to do and that's a critical part of our offense.
"We block with the running back a lot of times. That's what allows [Colts quarterback] Peyton [Manning] to hit those big plays to the running backs and tight ends. Joseph does a magnificent job of it."
But Polian said Addai's value isn't just in blitz pickup. Polian said while Addai has yet to have a 100-yard game this season, he is running well within the parameters of the Colts' offense.
"Joseph is running as well as he ever has run in some holes that are not very big," Polian said. "When a linebacker has to take on a running back in a two-foot area, the advantage is to the linebacker. When he has to take on a running back in a six-foot area, the advantage is to the running back. Joseph has been running in a lot of two-foot areas. He has done a heck of a job banging in there, finishing runs. He really has done a remarkable job.
"He's averaging 3.5 yards per carry, which is not great, but his runs have been significant. They've resulted in touchdowns. He's running hard. He's moving the chains. . . . The bottom line is Joseph has been running great, as has [rookie running back] Donald Brown. Donald needs to get a few more carries as time goes by."
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, if you still feel that Joseph Addai is not a quality NFL running back, please know right now that your opinion is no longer an informed opinion. When the best player personnel man in the business sings Addai's praises, it means Addai is good. And as we know, Polian is not one to sugar coat a player who "stinks." He was quick to blast Mike Pollak a few weeks ago for his terrible performance against the Texans, if you all remember.
So, for all of you bashing and berating Addai this past off-season, it's time to own up and give the man his due. These words by Polian pretty much make it a lock that Addai will be re-signed. While rookie Donald Brown provides a wonderful spark of speed, quickness, and a WOW! factor at running back we haven't seen in Indy since Marshall Faulk, it is Addai who is getting the tough yards. it is Addai running hard to seal wins in the fourth quarter, like the Patriots win. It is Addai scoring red zone TDs. It is Addai making key receptions and blocks to keep the chains moving.
No player is above criticism. But, what fans were laying on Addai this off-season and part of the regular season went beyond criticism and into the realm of hate. I can understand bashing a player like Mike Vanderjagt, Gilbert Gardner, or even Corey Simon. But Joseph Addai? No. The hate ends now. Addai is playing some good football for the Colts, and if you don't see it then you don't know football.
From here on out, check your Addai hate at the door, please.
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Thank you!
I would like to see this article rec’d up. And I loves me some Joe Addai!
by coltsfanawalt on Nov 24, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just sayin'
This coming from the guy who said we were better off with Bob Sanders being hurt all year.
While I agree with your conclusion that Addai is playing well and did not deserve much of the criticism he was receiving earlier this year, you were just as guilty of going too far when you were making statements like “I’m kinda glad Bob Sanders is done for the year.” Remember that? So don’t act like you’re the football criticism police enforcing what’s right and what’s wrong.
by MileHighHoosier on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second!
People are offended by BBS? Shocking!!!
No matter what he says, there’s an immediate backlash. Let’s talk about the Colts and put aside whatever grudges we have w/BBS. I really like this blog.
by Naptime! on Nov 24, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the statement
And I’m still glad Bob is done for the year.
I’ve articulated this clearly for just about every one on the planet, save you. I like Bob Sanders and I am a BIG fan of his play. I am NOT a fan of Bob Sanders ALWAYS being in the training room. For two seasons now, Bob Sanders has, essentially, not played. Actually, I take that back: For roughly three of the last four seasons, Bob Sanders has not played.
My criticism of Bob Sanders has had nothing to do with his ability, which is what many Addai fans have questioned. Like many other Colts fans, I’m sick of the guessing game re: Bob’s health. I’m sick of wondering whether or not he will play. It’s a distraction that has hurt the team in the past. Now, for 2009, the distraction is gone, and the guy who replaced him (Melvin Bullitt) is playing great football. And if the Colts win a Super Bowl without Bob Sanders, the question will really be “Do the Colts need him?”
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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 25, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All your posts seem to be of the same vain of “i’m right, your wrong, if you don’t agree with me, it doesn’t matter because you are wrong”
Addai is ok… won’t ever carry a team on his back (he would get hurt)… but he fits this team. As long as he doesn’t ask for a ton of mons… I wouldn’t be pissed to see him back
by dbcb on Nov 24, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
I agree!!
With both of your points!!
Another thing…CJ was more bashed, harrassed, and hated on than Addai ever was…if you don’t believe it you are not an informed fan!!
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by TRDean on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed and rec'd
Excellent points.
by yellowsnow on Nov 24, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Addai and Brown
are going to develop into a great one two punch and we’re lucky to have both of them. I just hope they get better blocking in the future. I love backs who can catch the ball!
by Ayrshire on Nov 24, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re-Sign Addai?
I also thinks it’s a stupid statement to say it’s a lock that Addai will be re-signed next season. Bill Polian didn’t use a first round draft pick on Donald Brown so he could be Addai’s career backup. I’d re-sign Bethea, Brackett and Charlie Johnson before I did Addai.
I’m not saying I don’t want to re-sign him, but just because he’s having a good year doesn’t mean it’s a given that Polian will re-sign him. Polian has been forced to let a lot of good players go because there were cheaper alternatives on the team.
Not that I’m an expert, but, since we do have Brown, I’d think letting Addai walk and then signing an O lineman and maybe drafting an O lineman would be the better way to go. It seems we can all agree that it’s the line’s fault, not so much the running backs fault.
by MileHighHoosier on Nov 24, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Addai would be nice to re-sign...
but not the top priority. The key to handling free agency is to determine how easy it is to fill a position with a new player. In my opinion Bethea needs to be the top priority. He is approaching the elite level of FS in the league and has been a great fit for the Colts D. I know people throw a lot of love toward Gary Brackett, and rightfully so, but i feel the LB position is expendible. It would be nice to re-sign him, but not critical. I think Addai should be re-signed at the right price, but again the RB position is not a key cog to this team. He forms a good tandem with Brown, but it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find another RB to fill that role. If Polian was willing to let James walk, I don’t think he would bat an eye at letting Addai walk if he had to.
by invisibulman on Nov 24, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OLB is expendable in the Colts system but they've paid Brackett when they refused to pay a long line of OLBs
plus we’ve seen guys like Session, Wheeler and Hagler step into the starting lineup at OLB without any real difference, but Brackett being out has cost the Colts a playoff game.
I think Addai will be willing to accept a half-time backs role and salary, and so he’ll be back. I don’t think Addai’s value as a decent runner, but elite passing game back is going to be higher to any other team. As Brown learns the O and improves in the passing game he’ll probably get his shot to be the lead back, but it’s a 2 back league and Addai fits what the O wants to do so well.
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed EXCEPT
Addai wasn’t the one most bashed this past off season, it was CJ.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Nov 24, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
love the video...
of Addai breaking THE Ray Lewis’ ankles on that touchdown run. :)
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 24, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
there you are
ppl were worried in the open threads.
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Family Emergency...
was out the door and didn’t get back till this morning.
I weep for all the cat pictures that went unposted… They are the real victims here.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 24, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poor kittens

Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.
by AJforAZ on Nov 24, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will LOLcat... I will.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 24, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See?
I knew there was a reason I took a break this weekend…perfect.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 24, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounded a little unsympathetic...
sorry about your family emergency.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 24, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heh...
Thanks, everything is ok. But how could you take a weekend off from cat pictures???
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 24, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, huh.
I was so emotionally drained from the Pats’ game, I needed a break from my Colts/24-7 obsession.
But I’m charged up and ready to go now. WOO HOO! Bring on the LOLcat-off!
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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 25, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There you are buddy
hadn’t seen you in a while. Sorry to hear of your emergency
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by coltsfan723 on Nov 24, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
Yea couldn’t get to a computer. I tell you, a weekend with no computer is NO WAY TO LIVE!!!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know it isn't but glad your doing alright and hope everything turned out ok
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Nov 24, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear everything is okay.
We missed out cat-catalyst.
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by Addai Another Aday on Nov 24, 2009 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Marked Hoosier is LOLCatase?
/Biology Joke
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
(insert bad pun here… I am too lazy to think one up lol)
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Nov 24, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tremendous juke!
a good lesson for kids.
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by Bobman on Nov 24, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Marshall Faulk...
And I don’t often, but since you brought him up, guess who he picks to go 16-0 and claimed on NFLN that he’s been saying it for 6-7 weeks now.
really? I thought he hated us….
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
by Bobman on Nov 24, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He has a short memory.
He was one of the doom and gloom sayers from the beginning.
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by Indy Lori on Nov 24, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
What a hypocrite. That’s hyesterical!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 24, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's not a hypocrite
maybe the producer in charge of telling him what to say was replaced.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I posted this video of him talking about it in the open thread last night.
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by coltsfan723 on Nov 24, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I wasn’t one of the ppl in the off season, and I admit that he does do a good job in everything EXCEPT running. But I STILL, believe, from my own eyes and HD DVR usage that Addai runs INTO piles. There will be holes left, holes right and he’ll run straight into the pile. He’s good in open space, no doubt, but he can’t find a hole to save his life. But as long as we keep winning and he keeps blocking I could care less.
by TheBrickYard on Nov 24, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good point
But I’ve seen many many many many many times, a rb squeeze through those piles and sometimes into a long run, even some TDs. Just sayin’.
by 18forPrez on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Addai running into piles
I agree with TheBrickYard. There will be holes to the left and holes to the right and Addai will run right into the pile. He’ll turn his back into the pile then just basically falls down on his back. He has greatly improved his game over the last two games. But there were many times during the 49ers and Texans game when the Colts desperately needed him to get a first down on third and short and he actually got negative yardage. I think he’s a great runningback when he comes out there and plays hard. But sometimes during the year it appears like he fakes an injury just to get off the field for a while and I’m not one to like accusing any player of something like that. Addai fits the Colts system very well just like the Edge did. Donald Brown reminds me more of Marshall Faulk with more of a speed burst and chance for long yardage. The two compliment each other well. But I don’t think Addai is the Colts # 1 concern to resign. I think that falls to Antoine Bethea and Gary Brackett. They have been playing awesome on defense and need to be resigned. Running backs fall apart quickly. If the Colts can’t afford to resign Addai, I’m sure they could find a good running back in the draft and Brown will have had one year of experience before becoming the starter. Addai hasn’t posted the numbers to demand a lofty contract. So I imagine he’ll likely be staying in Indy, because I doubt another team will be willing to pay more for him.
Sometimes Addai is great and sometimes he sucks. But it did make me laugh when he only attained 25 yards in the Houston game on about 13 carries and he wouldn’t have even averaged 2 yards a carry if it hadn’t been for one 13 yard gain. And he was deemed player of the game. He’s a good player and the Colts should keep him if he doesn’t get too pricy. But he’s earned a little bit of the criticism he gets.
by ColtsFanInEnemyTerritory on Nov 24, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
I made that same comment below before reading what anyone else had to say…Addai is a GOOD running back but if he learned how to cut back against the line, like the best in the game can do (Peterson, Chris Johnson) he could make us unstoppable on offense.
For now, I am very impressed how well he has been running up the middle (or is it that the line gives better blocking on those plays?) and I am confident in our overall running game because we can get the yards when we want to.
10-0 .... again.
by AceOfSpades on Nov 24, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great article. I’m so glad you posted this and I am so sick of the disdain for an excellent overall player.
BBS didn’t even quote the most pertinent response to the typical complaint, that Adai dances too much. As polian stated:
*The perception that Addai "hops" at the line of scrimmage too often: "First of all, it depends upon the play that’s being run. We have a series of plays that are called zone plays where we zone blocks where he has to hop. He’s taught that. It’s called a jump cut. He has to wait and be patient and wait for the hole to open up. At the professional level, especially with our offensive line, you don’t just come off the ball and blast people back like you might do at the high school and college level. He’s waiting for the hole to open up. There are other plays where we run him north-south – and on the draw, too, many times when it opens right up – where has to go, go, go. There’s absolutely no issue of the jump cut, but most of the time when we’re running a zone play, the hop that you see is absolutely part of the play because he has to give the puller a chance to come through or he’s trying to read the double team or things of that nature. The running game in pro ball is far more sophisticated than it is at the high school or college level. That’s part of the drill."
If he is dancing it is because he is supposed to. Get mad at moore for running the play, not adai for following orders.
by sandsnake on Nov 24, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jump Cut
Makes no sense that a RB would be taught to stop all momentum, jump into the air, then re-establish his footing before moving in a different direction….while the defense continues to run full speed ahead towards “the jumper.”
If this is really how Addai is being taught to run, it explains a lot of things. Not sure why he is the only RB in Colts history that is taught to cut this way. Strange….
10-0 .... again.
by AceOfSpades on Nov 24, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad Polian said what he did about Addai picking up blitzes
Because people keep judging him by the yards he picks up, and fail to include what he does when it’s a passing play. Remember: He’s stayed as the starter over Brown because Brown hasn’t yet gotten the blocking aspect of his role down yet. And Addai does well in that area.
Rushing yardage will always be the primary metric by which to measure a running back, but differences in teams philosophies will also have an effect on how players should be measured. Sure, Addai doesn’t get the long yards like other backs do. But like Edge before him, he is trusted with blitz pickup responsibilties more times than other running backs on other teams (the Colts use running backs a bit more in protection because they’re more pass heavy than most other teams), and also he fills the checkdown-outlet pass role admirably. My point is that people need to consider the whole picture, not just the rushing yards.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 24, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
dancing at the line
I think what we are seeing is that when Addai dances at the line he usually gets little or no yardage. This tends to make people think he does it too much. This is probably partly him not having great vision for the holes, but it probably is also the line not opening the holes as well as they should, or the hole not opening where he expects it.
Yes is a good competent running back, but not an excellent one. He needs to see holes and where they are developping better to be that.
I would agree he is by far the best blocking back around, and is also very good out of the backfield.
In that sense he is well suited to our offense.
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by bluegirl on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm Addai's number one fan
but I really, really don’t see him getting re-signed. Of course, it’s all contingent on the salary cap and all that. He’s a great blocker, great receiver, hard runner. But I’m not sure there’s much he does that’s irreplaceable.
by slash196 on Nov 24, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you know of any other hard running, great receiving, and excellent blocking backs that would be affordable?
As of now, D Brown (1st round pick) has had almost a full half-year and sucks at blocking and catching the ball. Most starting backs in the league are too much of a prima donna to want to block or just can’t catch (see Marion Barber, Brandon Jones,Frank Gore etc.). Most of the 3rd down backs (sproles, k faulk) are too little to effectively block.
I just can’t think of anyone else out there who could fill in for Adai. Now we could always draft someone to replace him, but I am completely ignorant on college football. Anyone know about any options? But, it would seem silly to go RB / RB two straight years, or, to hope that D Brown just gets it by the time we have to resign Joe.
by sandsnake on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brown sucks at it?
Seems a little extreme.
Give the guy some time to learn the offense. I haven’t seen him drop too many balls either, but I could be wrong.
by yellowsnow on Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the 3rd down backs are too little to block?
Do you remember everyone questioning Jones-Drew’s ability to block? And we’ve all seen his hit on Merriman. I think all running backs (including Brown) have the potential to be decent blockers, they just need to be taught what to look for. And who better to teach Brown than the guys that taught Addai?
by Naptime! on Nov 24, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, okay

You like him. We get it, already.
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by szquirrel on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
nope
since when does it have to be a love fest with all of our players. if there is a cog in the machine that isnt working you’re a shitty fan for not wanting it fixed.
by bob-log sandtits on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the point is that he is working
you’re a misinformed fan if you don’t recognize the guys who are playing well.
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol. weeeeeeee he can pass block. great there are plenty of pieces of meat out there who can do that. we are one of the worst rushing attacks in the league. addai is as big of a reason as the o-line. addai has talent but no balls or vison; one of the two or both. don’t you think we would run the ball more if we thought we could rely on our run game? yep.
we have lowered the bar for expectations here at rb. he has one or two 15 yd runs every other game, happens to get in the endzone in goal line sets from a yd or two away and we all the sudden arent allowed to say we need better. you sir must be one of the people who thinks its cute to wear a colts jersey around and cheer like a cheerleader when watching the game. i dont think you can call me misinformed.
by bob-log sandtits on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you tell me which running backs you think can pass block as well as adai, can run better than adai, and will be available for the same price?
by sandsnake on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the offense the Colts run
he doesn’t have to put up huge numbers to be effective. All he has to do is run well enough to make the defense bite on play action and he does that. This is a passing offense, not a running offense. hate if you must, but he does his job.
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by coltsfan723 on Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no balls or vision
yep that’s how you convert 3rd downs at the best rate in the league over the last 2 1/2 years
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd Down Conversions?
And how many of those have been converted by Addai? Remember all the times we’ve run Dallas Clark on an end round or forced Peyton to throw on third and short to convert because we’ve had no faith in Addai to pick it up? Being great at converting 3rd downs says much more about Manning than it does about Addai, so that is kind of a pointless statement in this debate.
by MileHighHoosier on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is it Addai's fault that on 3rd and short there are defensive linemen in the backfield?
I think we remember what we want to remember, because I’ve seen Addai pick up tough third downs before. If you watch games thinking about how Addai sucks and can’t convert 3rd and short, then that’s what you’ll remember, not the times he does pick it up.
And if we’re running end arounds or throwing on third and short, I think it says more about our offensive line than anything.
by Naptime! on Nov 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No the stat is specifically about Addai
Addai converts 3rd and 2 or less attempts at the best rate in the league.
Addai has converted 42-of-53 third-down attempts of 2 or fewer yards for a 79.2 percent rate that is the NFL’s best among active players since 2000 (minimum of 25 attempts).
(scroll down a bit on the link)
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
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by Addai Another Aday on Nov 24, 2009 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Woa..
OK I haven’t really been pro-Addai much recently, but you have to give him credit where it’s due. He’s been playing well, and looks like he’s really upped his game over the last month.
by yellowsnow on Nov 24, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. For once BBS wasn’t being over the top. Every colts fan is entitled to have an opinion. But saying that Adai sucks isn’t an informed opinion. If you can’t name ONE player in the league or in college that we should get to replace Adai who would be better “at hitting the holes” or other such nonsense, then your opinion is not INFORMED and it is much less likely to be correct.
by sandsnake on Nov 24, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you even read the article?
The whole point is the “cog” (i.e. Joseph) is working, and you’re a shitty fan for not noticing.
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
by DontHateAddai on Nov 24, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
be realistic
im not going to sit here and bash addai and certainly not polian, but polian giving addai credit is in no way a revelation of him being re-signed. yes addai is a good blocker; yes addai has good hands; and yes addai could be an excellent contender on dancing with the stars. my issue is with not hitting the hole on the stretch play. there isnt always a hole and sometimes you have to pick the a gap and dive for a couple yards. you cant continue to run to the outside and run out of bounds for a 1 yd. loss. im not one that likes player comparisons and it pains me to say edgerrin would have done it different because it goes without saying. simpson and brown have been seeing the same small holes and turning it into 4 yd. gains. there is nothing wrong with a hop step or two but anybody who’s ever ran the football can tell you that you have to hit the line of scrimmage quick if youre going to get positive yards. protection and holes only last for so long and your goal it to get through them quick. with that said i do believe addai is a quality running back and competent in our offense. but dont expect me to rush out and buy an addai jersey because bill polian says joe’s good. it wasnt long ago polian’s voice could be heard in the background of the press box shouting turn it up and go joe. so even polian himself has unofficially acknowleged that from time to time there is a little too much hesitation. and for the record bill polian has never been one to stay with rb’s or linebackers for long periods of time.
by drummerboy on Nov 24, 2009 1:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
After you read what polian said, I hope you will think about this differently.
*The perception that Addai “hops” at the line of scrimmage too often: “First of all, it depends upon the play that’s being run. We have a series of plays that are called zone plays where we zone blocks where he has to hop. He’s taught that. It’s called a jump cut. He has to wait and be patient and wait for the hole to open up. At the professional level, especially with our offensive line, you don’t just come off the ball and blast people back like you might do at the high school and college level. He’s waiting for the hole to open up. There are other plays where we run him north-south – and on the draw, too, many times when it opens right up – where has to go, go, go. There’s absolutely no issue of the jump cut, but most of the time when we’re running a zone play, the hop that you see is absolutely part of the play because he has to give the puller a chance to come through or he’s trying to read the double team or things of that nature. The running game in pro ball is far more sophisticated than it is at the high school or college level. That’s part of the drill.”
by sandsnake on Nov 24, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Why is the JUMP necessary? Wouldn’t a simple studder work just as well? Or is it that Joe can only understand words with 4 letters or less?
10-0 .... again.
by AceOfSpades on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
That was a low blow. Besides, he understands BLOCK very well and that is 5 letters.
10-0 .... again.
by AceOfSpades on Nov 24, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Polian
Fair enough article, but disagree with using Polian as an unbiased and brutally honest source!
He is a brilliant personnel man.
He is not remotely concerned with telling the media, especially his own website, “the truth”.
In fairness, the whole Colts organization is a propaganda machine, and he heads it up…
You may as well quote Joseph Addai on Joseph Addai’s play…
by Passdinho on Nov 24, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
by DontHateAddai on Nov 24, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Remember how Polian and Peyton both praised Tony Ugoh’s improvement this offseason? How did that turn out?
by hoosierdore on Nov 24, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugoh
Ugoh and Addai are in totally different situations.
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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 25, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind...
Most of these “fans” that were bashing Addai are the same bozos that said Marshall Faulk was “done” and couldn’t hit a hole any more and booed him at every game. We ran the M plan straight out of town and got very little for him before he went on to help create the greatest show on turf. I think it shows time and time again that Indy is very much a bandwagon town with limited football knowledge. Thankfully there are some on these boards that do get it, but the majority are clueless. Not trying to be a jerk but just stating the facts. Listen to a call-in show sometime after the game if you really want to enjoy some idiotic questions and statements.
by IndySportsFan on Nov 24, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
love Phil B
but I don’t follow the chats he does anymore because the commenters he gets are so angry, negative and poorly informed. There are people in his chat that hate on Peyton!
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blasphemy!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
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by peytonsthebest on Nov 24, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Preposterous!
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 24, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would question
if some of the people in Phil’s chats are even Colts fans.
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by SpazMo on Nov 24, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This right here is the problem
There have been trolls there recently posting deliberate agitprop in order to get reactions. And one idiot decided to start taking on other people’s names (mine included) when making those posts. Anyway, the point is, because it’s live, there are people who get in who are most definitely not there to enjoy the game day experience.
I’d love to see the Indystar enable the login feature, but that would end up either requiring people to get or use their Twitter or Facebook accounts, or would require the Indystar to set up their own accounts and authentication procedure. Both seem like too much work.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 24, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the same thing happened to me wrt to someone taking my name
I was active there when it first started, and I went by my first name. That was fine for a few weeks or months (i dont remember), then someone else started posting under my name (ok, common name, I guess), so I started posting as my first name and an initial. Low and behold, someone else showed up with my name + initial. So I started name + 2 initials… and again… so I just gave up.
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by SpazMo on Nov 24, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting - thanks for the heads up
that’s weak by whomever is doing that
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 24, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the same guy.
I even posted that he could keep my initials (that’s what I was using) and switched to a modified form, and the jerk switched to what I had and continued to post deliberately stupid things. He acts like a 14 year old with no discipline.
I’ve gone to the trouble to ask CoverItLive about their blocking mechanisms to I could help advise Phil. But seriously, that’s just utterly juvenile behavior on that guy’s part. If it didn’t make his job harder, I’d ask Phil to consider implementing registration and login. I don’t care about keeping my initials – and I’m going to change them for the Houston game’s chat anyway – but my point is that it’s just deliberately disruptive to act like a child among adults.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 24, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shapeshifter troll
particularly obnoxious.
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish you'd come back anyway
… because the antidote to that is for informed commentary to correct the misapprehensions. And you know way more than enough to provide that informed commentary; I see what you do here, after all.
Also, you have to remember that a live chat will by its very nature be bipolar in the extreme. Even I moan and groan at mistakes when they happen, but it’s in the nature of an immediate reaction isolated to one circumstance. Not condemnation of a team’s overall performance.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problems with articles like this
is you’re speaking so ‘in your face’ that you’re basically forcing people that even slightly disagree with you to be as equally in your face and making them, in some cases, move to a more extreme position than they (normally) have just to match your level of extremeness. This sounds like a tongue-in-cheek statement, but I’m serious. Addai has run well the past 2 weeks. He’s a wonderful pass blocker. He’s normally a good pass catcher, although I think he’s more hurt than letting on because I think he has 0 targets since hurting his hand in NE.
The point would be this: I believe Polian’s heat of the moment emotional outburst bitching about Addai more than I believe his well thought out thanksgiving dinner he feeds to fans. Read his past 2 Polian Corners, he’s very careful about setting a timetable on the praise for Addai.
Anyhow, I like Joe. I cheer for him. I want him to do well. But he has really poor vision and has made some really bad decisions at the line over his career. This is fine for a RB, but when you’re spending 1st round picks on them, you expect a little more, and thats not unfair. Now, you can say, ‘that pick is gone, you can’t get it back, you can’t judge him based on his draft position’, and, OK, thats fine, if you compare him to Laurence Maroney, he’s Jim Brown. But I don’t think its wrong if you don’t slurp his big toe.
That said, and I’ve said this for the past 2 weeks now, Joe has run REALLY hard. He’s hit his holes. He’s been decisive. He’s avoided the sidelines (except for one real unfortunate play against the Ravens). Part of it is him. Part of it is DeVan. Part of it is scheme. The Colts are clearly better at running behind Lilja – Saturday – DeVan than they are running wide. Maybe Santi fixes that, I don’t know.
My final thought would be this: If Addai is so good, why do we need an article every time he has a good game saying ‘the issue is put to rest’? The fact that we need an article every two weeks on it clearly suggests to logic and reason that the issue isn’t even in bed, let alone resting.
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by SpazMo on Nov 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Like you said the pick is gone
what he should be judged on his how much he’s paid. That’s the non-sunk cost.
I’m happy with getting his level of performance for 1.67mil against the cap and the 2.2, or possibly 1.3mil (not sure if the “other bonus” money has already been paid to him or not) for next year is very reasonable.
http://www.coltscap.net/individual/playerpage.php?id=37
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by shake n bake on Nov 24, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know his hit
and as you know Im a proponent of looking at people’s performance vs their salary cap cost. I’m just pointing out that if someone wants to say they are disappointed in him in the shroud of being a first round pick, I don’t think thats entirely unfair.
I’ll say this: If the running game continues to go as it has the past 2 weeks, and the Colts continue to run the ball with some regularity, they’ll win the super bowl.
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by SpazMo on Nov 24, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’m not nearly as concerned with the running game as I have been in the past for two reasons.
1. Colts can run the ball when they want to. Just because they don’t run 30 times a game doesn’t mean they couldn’t if they wanted to. They have Peyton so that changes everything.
2. Colts are getting better and better at running up the middle. The fading “stretch play” is merely used to set teams up for the long passing game and it usually works in that way. The draw play is used as a setup to pass down the middle but can also gain solid yardage at times.
Agree 100% about the Super Bowl comment.
10-0 .... again.
by AceOfSpades on Nov 24, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse, a lot worse
Drafted just ahead of Joseph Addai was Laurence Maroney. In fact, wasn’t it likely the Colts wanted Maroney and settled for Addai?
How’s that worked out? Pretty well, I’d say. Addai has been a thousand-yard rusher and a Super Bowl champion. He’s a vital cog on an undefeated team this year. Maroney, on the other hand, is hurt almost as much as Bob Sanders. When he plays, behind a line that has trouble run-blocking just like the Colts, he’s average at best. Would you trade Addai even up for Maroney now? Hell no.
Look, let’s appreciate what we’ve got: Joseph isn’t the best back in the league, for sure, but he’s valuable for all the reasons Polian was saying. I would submit, off the cuff, he’s in the top third of backs in the league. If he can be brought back after ’10 for a reasonable number, I hope the Colts do so.
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by Coltsfan58 on Nov 24, 2009 8:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Addai
If Addai could improve on his field vision at the start of running plays….that is, if he knew how to cut back across the line and explode across the backside of the play instead of always running in the same direction as the blocking scheme, he could be great. There were a couple of plays in that Ravens game where there was nothing but air on the backside of the line but Joe ran into the line for a 4 yard gain that could have been broken for 20+. IMO that is the reason why the Colts go for about 85 ypg instead of 105…
For now, I am happy with his play and most of all happy that he hasn’t been “injured” this season so he can be a constant contributor.
10-0 .... again.
by AceOfSpades on Nov 24, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good for us
Is not the same as “good”. He fits our scheme, no doubt, and he’s a good receiver and a good blocker.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 24, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yawn
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