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Colts clinch AFC South; big media makes a frowny face

By now, you have finished reading much of the established media's Monday narrative about the Colts division-clinching, come-from-behind win over the Texans. The narrative goes something like this: Yeah, the Colts won, but really they should have lost. The Texans, Ravens, Patriots, and 49ers all had those games "virtually" won, but the Colts got lucky and ended up winning in the end. But forget that the Colts are 11-0 and have set an NFL record by winning five straight 4th quarter comeback wins. Did you see the comeback by Vince Young and the Titans? OH WOW! Talk about clutch! The Titans, and Vince Young, are just winners, baby!

Yeah, I just felt hot vomit shoot up my throat as well.

The knock on the then 6-0 Colts heading into Week Eight was that they were undefeated because they hadn't played anyone. Indeed, Yahoo!'s supposedly intrepid sage of all things football (Jason Cole) stated in a video interview that the Colts were due to lose a game to the Patriots or Ravens because both teams play 3-4 defenses, and the Colts struggle on offense against 3-4 defenses.

Cue the facepalm.

Well, after the Colts scored 21 fourth quarter points to beat the Patriots, made several impressive defensive stands to top the Ravens, and swept the Texans again this season (this time overcoming a 17-0 first half deficit), Jason Cole felt the need to try and face what little face he has left. You see, when big media people are shown up to be totally and completely wrong in their assessments, their best comeback mechanism is to demean and dismiss the team that proved them wrong.

Thus, Jason Cole's article is morning bashing a team that is currently 11-0, and has done so by beating some of the best teams in the NFL... on the road no less. Or, you get Vic Carucci's article from a few weeks ago, which pretty much flat out states that the Colts are "lucky" they are undefeated.

Indeed, even some in the blog world seemed a bit upset that the Colts are continuing their ride through the AFC. The Big Lead, which is run by a woefully football ignorant Jets fan, picked the Texans to upset the Colts yesterday. Nice pick there, Jason. Love your blog, man... but, you don't know squat about football.

The bottom line in all this is that a lot of people, and I mean a lot, predicted that the Colts would regress in 2009. With the Titans coming off their first AFC South title in six years, and with the Texans and Jaguars looking so promising after making several off-season moves, this was the year the Colts would finally fall. We all recall Marshall Faulk on NFL Network doing his AFC South preview back in early September saying the Colts window to win the AFC was "closed."

Now that they've all been proven wrong, again, my advice for all Colts fans is to sit back, relax, and enjoy watching these fools flip, flop, and slop all over the place as they look to salvage whatever semblance of credibility they have left. While you are relaxing and watching this circus of incompetence, take the time to enjoy a friendly game of bingo (Big tip to szquirrel). Most in the media circus will do what Cole did: Acknowledge the accomplishment, ignore their previous comments, and point out that the Colts have lost in the playoffs the last two years.

Highlight the negatives to drown out the positives.

Yes, it is a sad, petty media world we live in. But, people don't like being wrong. The reality is that the Colts are the first team in the 2009 season to clinch a playoff birth. They have won the AFC South by Week Twelve despite playing one of the more difficult schedules in the NFL. They have won 20 regular season games in a row, one short of tying the NFL record held by the Patriots. They have won five straight game by coming back in the fourth quarter and winning each game by less than 10 points (also, an NFL record). Their quarterback is the unquestioned MVP, especially when you look at the cupcake schedule Brett Favre and the Vikings have played.

That's reality.

And what Sunday's game showcased is that the Colts are not just good, they simply do not quit at any point during a football game. Why this wonderful trait is not being celebrated by big media instead of propping up this tired, silly buffoon who once quit on his own team DURING A GAME, I don't know.

By the way, Indy's record against 3-4 defenses the last two season is 10-1, with wins over the Patriots (twice), Ravens (twice), Steelers (in Pittsburgh), and Chargers (in San Diego). Peyton Manning has thrown for 3,140 yards, 22 touchdowns, and only 8 INTs against teams who run base 3-4 defenses.

Dear Yahoo! Sports, Jason Cole does not know anything about football. This guy is stealing money from you.

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It really is sad that Peyton can't get any media attention

I feel really bad for him.

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by Jimmy on Nov 30, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Huh?

This isn’t about Peyton at all. This is about the media completely dismissing the Colts as a team because of not playing everyone/close games. When did this become about Peyton?

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

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by Cassieper on Nov 30, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh

I didn’t even read it. I really should read stuff first I guess.

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by Jimmy on Nov 30, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That would help.

You were really confusing me there for a second.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.

by Cassieper on Nov 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy

I freely and completely admit that Vince Young looked very good on that drive yesterday. Congrats on the win.

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 30, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Normally,

I’m not a big fan of the weekly bash-the-media articles, but you make a good point here with the hypocrisy with VY’s admittedly excellent comeback win and the Colts comeback win. Why can’t they just both be praised as excellent efforts by good teams instead of one being clutch at the end and the other being the team being dominated and getting lucky?

I’ll never know.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.

by Cassieper on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

It was all an excuase

To write an article an insert that Colts Media Hate Bingo link. It’s just awesome!

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by BigBlueShoe on Nov 30, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a really good link.

Well, at least they all picked us to make the playoffs, although I was disappointed that not even one person so much as picked us to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl, much less win it.

By the way, that one guy who picked Norv Turner to be coach of the year should be shot.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.

by Cassieper on Nov 30, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The hell of it is

I don’t actually argue that the Colts have had some good breaks. They could very easily be 9-2 or 8-3 or worse right now. But for Jason Cole to be repeating as fact these silly memes about how the Fins or the Pats completely dominated the Colts… it defies logic.

At some point you have to give credit where credit is due. Either the Pats, Fins, Texans, Ravens and 49ers are all consummate choke artists or the Colts are just unearthly good at making halftime adjustments.

Listen, and understand. Peyton Manning is out there. He can’t be bargained with. He can’t be reasoned with. He doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you give him his 300 yards passing.

"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning

by szquirrel on Nov 30, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

The thing is that

you can play that game with every team in the league. Every team gets lucky breaks. Remember all the close games the Saints had? They are a good team too, but they could also be 7-3 or 6-4. They just aren’t.

I’m excited to finally see them against a team like the Patriots. Haven’t really got a good look at them this season.

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.

by Cassieper on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, that was my point really

And yet I don’t see any stories today downplaying the success of the Saints. And unless the Saints get absolutely raped tonight, I don’t expect to see many tomorrow either. God forbid they beat the Pats by a touchdown because then we’ll have to read a whole slew of articles about how the Saints “proved” that they’re better than the Colts.

Maybe I’m wrong. It just seems like criticism of the Colts is becoming pathological.

"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning

by szquirrel on Nov 30, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The Pats had lucky breaks against Baltimore and Buffalo as well.

Every team has them. We maximize our breaks the best. And the fact that our D hasn’t allowed a TD after a turnover is what makes this team different. Every adversity is looked at as an opportunity. We don’t quit.

by diagenesis on Nov 30, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Everyone forgets the absurdity of the Bills game for the Pats.

AFC South champs .... again.

by AceOfSpades on Nov 30, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

This is perhaps the best paragraph I have ever read:
Listen, and understand. Peyton Manning is out there. He can’t be bargained with. He can’t be reasoned with. He doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And he absolutely will not stop, ever, until you give him his 300 yards passing.

Would you mind if I added to my sig line for the playoffs? It is truly awesome.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 30, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank You BBS.

I spent the whole 2nd half yesterday laughing my ass off at how I was going to read another week of how the Colts were “dominated” for the 5th straight week, and hear the endless "OMG Vince Young is so well-spoken (respect knuckles to whomever gets that political/Chris Rock reference) and how Brett Farve was the obvious MVP (despite playing in a crap division).

by vintagephoenix on Nov 30, 2009 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

**knuckles**

Indianapolis Colts, taking focus away from my DBacks every Sunday.

by AJforAZ on Nov 30, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I should find another team to be a fan of.......

since the Colts are obviously lucky pretenders who have had games handed to them since the year 2000. I just can’t stay loyal to a team that has the best QB to ever don a jersey in the NFL. In addition, any team with the character to absolutely never concede defeat does not deserve to have a single win, much less fans for goodness sakes. The Colts should probably just disband their franchise and start playing the lotteries, as they have so much luck that absolutely never lets them down. In closing: Hey media!! SUCK IT!!!!!!!!!!!

by tim55 on Nov 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Don't Forget

That one reason we won this game is because of another controversial call by the official. The ghost PI call gave us 43 yards and set up a touchdown. And the Texans can’t close games. It’s not anything the Colts did to win, it’s what the Texans did to lose.

/end_sarcasm

by TouchdownMonkey on Nov 30, 2009 1:17 PM EST reply actions  

PTI

I’m personally looking forward to Tony K’s excuses and bs about the colts this week. That is if he can manage to talk with Favre’s thing in his mouth.

by DClark#44 on Nov 30, 2009 1:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

It must be tough for Tony

to fit Favre’s in his mouth while Brady’s has a permanent residence there. If anyone can fit those two members in their mouth, Kornheiser has the big mouth to make it happen.

"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning

by npb1985 on Nov 30, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

there's another possibility...

they could both be tiny.

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Joseph Addai is a good running back.
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by SpazMo on Nov 30, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

You preempted me once again sir.

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on Nov 30, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Marshall Faulk, FWIW last time I saw him on TV

about two weeks ago said he picked the Colts to go 16-0 six weeks earlier… making it about Week 3 or 4? I know he does not show much love, but if this is true (and not just him covering his ass), it’s a pretty big deal.

Now if we can just get some of the Boston mafia on our side… we’ll know hell has frozen over. Sad aside: Dr. Z would probably have loved this team—all the scrappy youngsters, undrafted kids way outplaying expectations, and the effective but not flashy run game. He’d lament the OL problems, no doubt. Sniff. I miss his work.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

He would love this team.

I remember all of the love he showered on the 2005 team before they were 10-0 and beyond. Best writer ever.

Stop making me cry!

"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.

by Cassieper on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Faulk

Also picked the Colts to win yesterday. I was the only talking head I saw side with the Colts. Stampede Blue has been tough on Marshall, but I think he sees that this Colts team is different.

by hoosierdore on Nov 30, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that Jason Cole article could light a fire under the Colts.

Caldwell should post it on the bulletin board.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
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by Indy Lori on Nov 30, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

That is the one that would make me mad, much more than all the others, if I was a player.

I would post it on the board and keep it there until they won the Super Bowl again.

AFC South champs .... again.

by AceOfSpades on Nov 30, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

This isn't college football

While I can a bit steamed about some of the dumb stuff written/said about the Colts, ultimately none of it matters since there are playoffs. If this was college football, I would be worried since perceptions shape who gets invited to the BCS title game. If the Colts take care of business, these critics will all be forced to eat their words, like it or not.

by JTBLA on Nov 30, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions  

Nope

They will just revert back to the standard fare ‘Colts got lucky’ argument again.

by sandtiger812 on Nov 30, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Now I finally feel like what it was like to be a Pats fan in 2003-2004

of course, they were cheating. But, it still holds.

EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!

by dmstorm22 on Nov 30, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

Another day, another "BBS Bashes the Media" article

Ho hum, nothing to see here.

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by MrNFL on Nov 30, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions  

It more about good coaching

and clock management than luck. Houston, San Fran, New England, Miami and Baltimore all made crucial mistakes against the colts running their two-minute offenses, with respect to calling time outs, play selection, and penalties. Some of these blunders started on the sideline with the coaches and coordinators and some blossomed on the field while the seconds ticked away. It’s a chess match as well as a physical battle. calling the colts “lucky” and leaving it at that is a cheap argument. CFoulda woulda shouldas don’t win games

by naptown_ninja on Nov 30, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

Likewise, bitching about sports writers

seems a little too easy and misses the larger issue: We make our own luck through coaching practice and preparation. BBS, you should use your wordy powers and your considerable passion to contrast Colts’ game management with that of their recent opponents and leave the other bloggers out of it.

by naptown_ninja on Nov 30, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Ratings and MVP

Ratings are just opinions, they mean nothing to me. Also at least a team has a chance to eventually rectify any rating by winning super bowl.
However a player cannot control MVP voting. If I didnt hear this myself, I wouldnt believe it: last night on NBC, Dungy said Farve should be MVP over Manning. That would be a real shame. I think Farve is having a great year, no doubt better stats than Manning and deserves possibly Player of the year, or comeback player of the year, or offensive player of the year,,,,but no way MVP. Vikings won 10 games last year and would be a legitimate contender without Farve, especially adding who could be rookie of year in Harmon.
How many games does one think Colts could have won less Manning,,I say they would be 1 -10 with Sorgi or Painter. Also the one loss Vikings had,,could be directly contributed to Farve,,critical interception and fumble against Pitt.
Vikings have been injury fortunate, and have superior talent to Colts in running backs and offensive line, and without Gonzo at least equivalent in receivers. The perfect scenario for me would be Colts vs Vikings in super bowl and have identical game to last year where Vikings dominated on both lines, yet Manning found a way to win.

by oldnjcoltsfan on Nov 30, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Colts vs Vikings

That would be a great Super Bowl. The Vikings are really good but I get more and more confident every week that the Colts will beat anyone they play.

AFC South champs .... again.

by AceOfSpades on Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Two Points

1. Who cares about what the media thinks anymore? It pisses me off for a second, but then I smile because the Colts are 11-0 and I have plenty to look forward to the rest of the season.

2. Although the media is still hating, at least some NFL “experts” are giving the Colts their due (finally). Dilfer at ESPN for one understands how important winning is and that the Colts have something that few, if any, other teams have right now….the IT factor that they know they are going to win the game no matter what the score is.

Keep smiling people.

AFC South champs .... again.

by AceOfSpades on Nov 30, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

oh yeah~ the COLTS ARE REAL LUCKY--YEH RIGHT~~

  THEY HAVE GIVEN THE BALL AWAY-HAD TURNOVERS-MANNING TWO INT’S THE LAST 3 GAMES IN A ROW—THEY STILL WIN! I SAW THE RAVENS AND 49’ER GAMES—THEY STILL WON—HAVING TREMENDOUS 2ND HALF DEFENSES!!~ AGAINST ALL THEY FACED IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER….PATS DID NOTHON-NOR DID THE TEXANS—NOR DID THE RAVENS-NOR DID THE 49’ERS~~ ALSO—THEYRE TURNOVERS LED TO SCORES FOR THE OTHER TEAMS—YEH REAL LUCKY..ALSO—THE 49’RER GAME THEY COULDVE & SHOULDVE EASILY WON BY MORE—COULDVE TACKED ON FG AT THE END. AGAINST RAVENS..SANTI GETS 1ST DOWN—BUT FUMBLES ON THE TWO -THAT WOULD’VE PUT IT AWAY~ THE TEXANS GET A TD W/ 18 SECONDS LEFT…TO PULL WITHIN 8!!~ THE WEREN’T EVER IN TROUBLE AGAINST THE RAVENS OR THE 49’ERS
    BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY—THEYRE PLAYING W/ A “MAKE-SHIFT” DEFENSE!! 3 OF THEIR STARTERS OUT IN THE SECONDARY—FREENEY PLAYING SPARINGLY IF HE DOES, AS DOES MATHIS….GONZALEZ IS STILL OUT—HAYDEN-SANDERS—JACKSON—
     YES,GANG!! THE COLTS ARE REALLY LUCKY!! SHEESH~ ANYONE THINKING THAT—SHOULD SERIOUSLY GET THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT—AND ARE COMPLETELY MORONIC—SPORTS-WISE!! MUCH/LESS IDIOTIC!!

by sczen on Nov 30, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

....

Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Nov 30, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Second String

Do the Colts even have a second string anymore? This team is by far one of the most well balanced teams I have ever seen. Injuries… what are those? With players like Melvin B. (and so many others.. too numerous to mention) stepping up and showing us they mean business, the sky’s the limit.

I was just sayin the other day…we may not have some of the biggest names in the league, but big problems tend to accompany big names. I am just happy that we, as team, have an uncanny ability to transition anything and everything as seemlessly as possible; whether it’s balancing injuries or bringing in new head coaches, the Colts organization is by far one of the greatest. When your the greatest, everyone is a hater!! (media included)

by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 4:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Jumping on the bandwagon with Hal

I’m not a journalism student and have no coursework in journalism or mass media. But I have taken a philosophy class or two, and know something about logic.

I’m a Colts fan and routinely visit this site to catch up on Colts’ news. I’m sure there are better websites to get the information I want, but I use SBN for other teams, so here I am. I understand this is a blog designed for Colts’ fans and I don’t expect an unbiased opinion. But BBS, the countless media-bashing posts are so full of hypocrisy, I feel compelled to jump on the bandwagon with Hal here.

You talk about corporate agendas and planned narratives from the talking heads – what about you? Every week there’s another article which you manipulate to suit your “media hates the Colts” campaign. You highlight the negative in others’ articles, ignoring or downplaying any positives, and along with numerous personal insults, make your case. Of course this is exactly what you are criticizing the media of doing with concerns to the Colts.

With regards to the actual issue at hand. No, the media isn’t giving the Colts the recognition they deserve. But it’s not a reason to cry everyday and throw out petty insults over the internet. Why don’t you talk about football instead?

No rational person thought the Colts would be this successful this year. For one, very few teams in NFL history have been this successful. And to accomplish this, with so many question marks coming into the season, and so many injuries along the way, is truly remarkable.

Of course, irrational homers like yourself, who predicted a dominant Colts team to fight for a Super Bowl for the tenth year in a row, now get to proclaim your brilliance. But when you say this year after year, finally being right one year doesn’t make you brilliant, it makes you a statistical normality. And the people who suggested the Colts wouldn’t dominate this year, they aren’t idiots or vindictive, ignorant buffoons. They were wrong, and like every other human being, when publicly proven wrong, they are covering their asses. Moreover, these are also the same people who predict the Colts choking in the playoffs every year, and with one exception, they’ve been right. Of course that prediction always goes against your own, but I don’t ever hear you acknowledging the brilliance of the mass media for predicting another Colts meltdown each year. No, they’re idiots, and you weren’t wrong, the Colts loss was simply the result of bad luck.

Of course, good luck couldn’t possibly be the reason the Colts are winning now, as the media suggests. It’s the intangibles of an incredible team that is carrying the Colts along. But if, god forbid, the Colts lose a close one – I guarantee I won’t be reading from BBS how it was a lack of will to win, or even poor performance that cost us the game. It was either poor officiating, bad luck, or “the cards just not falling right.” Do you see the hypocrisy?

I could continue forever, but I won’t waste my time because I know this post will either be ignored or dismissed with personal attacks without ever even acknowledging my argument. Perhaps though, next time you sit down to write one of your tirades, you can consider how many of these journalistic values you preach with such rampant enthusiasm, you are violating yourself. Until then enjoy the web-traffic and riches your journalism brings you. But, web site hits aren’t everything. They don’t cover up the fact that you clearly lack the journalistic education and integrity you so often rant and rave about. They just mean you’re on over-read, silly, ignorant buffoon stealing money from someone, and simultaneously giving me the impulse to vomit and cue the facepalm.

Go Colts

by jochexum on Nov 30, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

There is an alternative

to the hypocrisy, and that’s just to ignore reading anything that BBS writes. Pretty easy huh? It works out for everyone…you don’t have to read the hypocrisy and we don’t have to put up with all the bitching that the haters put. The more everyone bitches about his articles the more he’s gonna write. It’s his blog and his opinion. You can either like it or move on. It’s not a hard concept

Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It is not “bitching” to point out that you disagree with something and to suggest that something else would be better. It is called feedback. There is noting wrong with sharing it on a pertinent topic. You might think it is hating, but when there is an argument made, there is nothing wrong with sharing that, even if you might disagree.

by sandsnake on Nov 30, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

"Logic"
No rational person thought the Colts would be this successful this year.

Wrong. Many people on this site gave rational reasons why the Colts would be successful this year. The NFL isn’t a random walk, where each season is completely independent of the previous seasons. I’d argue that the media proclaiming the downfall of the Colts was irrational, given that their arguments weren’t based in any sort of football reasoning. You can’t just say “Well, they’ve been good forever, they must fail soon!” and call that rational. Now, they could have ended up being correct, but I don’t think it would have been because of a well thought out argument.

But if, god forbid, the Colts lose a close one – I guarantee I won’t be reading from BBS how it was a lack of will to win, or even poor performance that cost us the game. It was either poor officiating, bad luck, or "the cards just not falling right."

Do you see the hypocrisy? You just put words in someone else’s mouth, words that I disagree with. Colts fans on this site might be homers (myself included), but they also know when their team loses because they played poorly. Now, you’re free to make this argument that BBS would complain, but don’t start calling it “logic” when you do.

by nmbrthry on Nov 30, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Nov 30, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Red'd

times 10 if I could

Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Nov 30, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I should have clarified a few things
I’d argue that the media proclaiming the downfall of the Colts was irrational, given that their arguments weren’t based in any sort of football reasoning. You can’t just say "Well, they’ve been good forever, they must fail soon!" and call that rational. Now, they could have ended up being correct, but I don’t think it would have been because of a well thought out argument.

This is certainly a poor argument and not one I was intending to support at all. However, questioning a rookie head coach and his new staff is based on football reasoning. Questioning the Colts offense, with respect to offensive line changes, how Wayne would perform as a #1 without a true #2 receiver, if Addai would make it through the season, if we’d have a run game. The health of the defense is always a concern as well. There were plenty of question marks regarding this team that were based on “football reasoning.”

Each of these questions could be answered with a pessimistic or optimistic approach, and for the most part, the media at-large took the pessimistic route while this site took the optimistic view. This is to be expected, and shouldn’t be an issue, as long as each side supports its view with unbiased facts. I have no problem admitting that there are plenty of rational reasons for the Colts’ success, and I was one of the optimistic ones at the start of the season. I should have said no rational person would expect the Colts to have been THIS successful – undefeated and already clinched the AFC South.

Do you see the hypocrisy? You just put words in someone else’s mouth, words that I disagree with. Colts fans on this site might be homers (myself included), but they also know when their team loses because they played poorly. Now, you’re free to make this argument that BBS would complain, but don’t start calling it "logic" when you do

I know there are plenty of educated, open-minded, critically-thinking people who use this site. I read their comments, that is why I continue having this blog in my bookmarks. As I said, I directed those comments only towards BBS. And I’ve read enough of his articles over the years with the exact sort of complaint and hypocrisy, so it’s a lot more than “putting words in someone else’s mouth.”

I have no problem with homers, I have no problem with Colts fans and didn’t intend to direct these comments towards anyone but BBS. I’m not a troll from the Pats’ side or a Titans fan, I’m a Colts fan. I applaud everyone’s effort to rush to BBS’ defense, but I’m not “against you” or a Colts hater. I simply have a problem with BBS’ continued hypocrisy, personal attacks and other demonstrations of poor journalism. I’d wish that a blog writer with such a considerable audience would act in a more professional manner and provide a more positive representation of the Colts’ fanbase, but you all are free to think otherwise.

by jochexum on Nov 30, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd.

I’m with you all the way. I think I’d even still appreciate a FEW bad journalism articles from time to time, as long as they didn’t follow the current format of:
identifying a contestable claim => providing counter-evidence => ridiculing/insulting author => pontificating self-rightously => ridiculing/insulting author => mentioning that somebody cheated somehow => pontificating self-rightously

by LikeButtah on Nov 30, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarifications. I guess I am an optimist, but many of the things you cited as being question marks didn’t seem like they’d be enough to drop the Colts to 7-9 or something. Wayne was essentially a #1 for the past two years, and every team worries about health. But I can see how someone would reason along those lines.

I should have said no rational person would expect the Colts to have been THIS successful – undefeated and already clinched the AFC South.

This. Even the biggest of Colts homers would have had a hard time predicting 11-0 with the division locked up.

About BBS: I actually agree with a lot of the criticism of his writing. I love this blog, and he and the other blog leaders do an excellent job at writing good football articles. But I agree with LikeButtah, we could probably cut down on the number of bad journalism articles, at least on the front page. (They do make good FanPosts, though.) I just thought the personal attack was… well, maybe the kind of thing BBS would have done. :-D

by nmbrthry on Nov 30, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

As I said,

I routinely visit this site, and have for several years now. I’m well accustomed to the practice of ignoring BBS’ posts, and it’s not necessary to belittle me by suggesting that I am unaware that I can control what I read. Personal attacks are completely unnecessary, and I’d advise you heed your own advice and ignore comments like mine if they offend you. Of course, I welcome argument and criticism of my ideas, but of the constructive variety.

I understand plenty of people ignore BBS and the problem is solved. But plenty of other people don’t ignore him, and I assure you there are some who even believe what he writes and agree with him. I’m simply offering my counter-point to his article as another viewpoint for readers to consider with regards to the issue at hand.

by jochexum on Nov 30, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, okay, you've got a Vince Young problem

Well, if it’s any consolation, I’m hoping really hard that the next taste of hot vomit in your throat comes from the Titans beating Indianapolis on their home field next Sunday. If you’re expecting any sympathy from me or any other Titan fans toward you, because of your media perceptions, good freaking luck. The Colts have their title and nice little runs of wins for several years now, and I’m pretty sick of them and ready to see them fade away.

Ends are beginnings, and beginnings are not ends.

by Visions on Nov 30, 2009 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

Wow

That has to be the most ridiculous post I’ve seen in a while. No one wants your sympathy…

The Colts have their title and nice little runs of wins for several years now, and I’m pretty sick of them and ready to see them fade away.

That quote is just pure jealousy of the Colts success.

You stay classy Titans Fans!!

Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Dec 1, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

VY??

I’m a big fan of VY, but Vince hasn’t saved anyone’s season yet. Lets remember VY can be as reliable as a broken watch sometimes.

Let’s just say this… here’s to a good game. Hopefully we decide to play all four quarters.

by stampede blue on Dec 1, 2009 4:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Five and Six, Viagra for Hicks (i didnt really wanna use hicks, but its one of the few words that rhymes with six and fits)

Seriously, whats with all the ‘i think i can i think i can’ titans trolls that got their courage back after getting to … 1 game below 500?

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

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Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!

by coltsfan723 on Dec 1, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

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