Seahawks Lost Their Edge, Could The Colts Find Theirs Once Again?
Uh oh, here we go again boys and girls.
Edgerrin James was recently cut by the Seahawks for reasons unknown. Some speculate it was due to lack of production, others believe the Seahawks want to go young. Both are legitimate I believe it was because of the latter, but that's just my opinion.
Naturally every Colts fan is going to be asking themselves whether the Colts should consider signing Edge. There's no hiding the fact that the Colts running game is abysmal at best right now. Rookie running back sensation Donald Brown has shown what a game-breaking running back can do when put behind a mediocre line, busting out some huge gains.
The disturbing thing regarding the running game to me is the way the Colts handling the situation right now. While Donald Brown was sidelined with a shoulder injury this past Sunday, the entire workload was put on Addai's shoulders. As I mentioned in my latest rant, it's puzzling to me as to why none of the other running backs were used in that game. Going into last season everyone was very high on Mike Hart. A 6th round pick out of Michigan, he showed us a lot of grit in the pre-season games he played. He showed that same determination with the two carries he had in the Baltimore game before he tore his ACL. The Colts did the proper thing this past offseason in drafting the leading rusher in the nation in the first round this past April, but we still deserve to see what Mike Hart is able to do, especially with him recovering from that devastating knee injury. This was a perfect game for him to be tested in my opinion. The 49ers run defense is quite stout and I believe we could have learned a lot on how healthy Mike Hart's knee is, but that wasn't the case. He was no where to be seen and that is extremely frustrating.
Chad Simpson on the other hand is nothing more than a role player and that's all he'll ever be. There's nothing wrong with that, but when you're the #3 running back on the depth chart with the #2 guy on the sideline, I expect to see more than ONE carry out of you. That wasn't the case.
So again I ask, what gives?
Before I answer that question, let's get back to Edge.
The last time I brought up the idea of bringing Edge back it was a melee. I was being attacked left and right by the faithful of Stampede Blue for merely posing a question; would you cut Addai to bring back Edge? I never stated what my stance on that topic was, but yet I was lambasted to no end nonetheless. It's all good though, it didn't hurt my feelings. It was just a very controversial topic, and you all know just how much I love to bring up controversial topics.
Now to answer my question about the running back depth issue, my opinion is this. The Colts showed me that they have absolutely no trust in the running back depth behind Donald Brown. By not even letting Mike Hart hit the field and only giving Chad Simpson ONE carry is just absurd.
In knowing that, the possiblity of Edge returning isn't nearly as crazy as you all may think. I think Edge is finally realizing that his days are numbered and unless he wants to waste a few more years on garbage teams he's going to have to suck it up and assume a mentor role on a good team for league minimum. What better team to do that on than the Colts, his one true home.
Granted he may not hit the field all that often, but ask yourself this: Who do you trust more, Edge or Hart and Simpson? My answer is Edge times infinity.
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for the right price
They should sign Edge if….
1. They believe he is an upgrade from Chad Simpson. I believe that he is, in that they could have Addai play the “3rd down” role as he is a good reciever
2. He is cool with not being the starter.
3. He signs for the vet minimum or close (he’s already being paid by Seattle after all)
FWIW – about Hart, If I remember correctly, he is on the practice squad, and not the active roster. I don’t imagin that they wanted to add him if they believe that Brown’s injury is not a long term one. They were just trying to work a bit short for a week.
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by Music Man on Nov 4, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
they signed Hart to the roster after Brown got hurt
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hart did play a down or two against SF
He just didn’t get any carries.
Addai got more time than usual in part because none of the drives were very long, so he wasn’t exactly tired from them. Also, they went long stretches of calling nothing but passes, and he’s the best blocker.
Also, Shake, Hart has been on the active roster for 4 games now, I believe. He dressed but didn’t play in one, then didn’t dress for two, then dressed against SF.
by willyduer on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
at least I was righter than the guy I corrected.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 4, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with KR,
Here’s why. Number one, I still think Edge has some productivity left. Two, I think Addai would benefit greatly from Edge’s return both from a mechanical standpoint and mentally as well. Brown would benefit also. Whatever Edge is, he is a team player. I think Edge would do absolutely whatever it takes to get a shot at the SB, even if it means sacrificing ego by backing up two guys, while helping to get the absolute best out of them.
by tim55 on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hart played at least a snap
he was held into block on a pass play.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 4, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Edge is good with being a 3rd string making the vet minimum
(or really double the vet minimum since he’s a veteran that was on a opening day roster so his salary was guaranteed)
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I voted maybe, let me explain my vote
If the Colts sign Edge, then probably Hart will have to be released since Simpson has
value as a kick returner. I agree that having Edge as a 3rd string RB would be great, but
how would he fit into that role? So I have mixed feelings about this.
by Indysawinner on Nov 4, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No
Only thing is a one day contract for him to retire as a Colts.
"It's the greatest job in the world until Peyton comes off the field and you think his thumb might be broken and there's three minutes left in the AFC Championship Game and you're down by three to New England and you haven't taken a snap all year. Yeah, it's a great job until that point." - Jim Sorgi
by gizzardfanny on Nov 4, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Sadly, Edge doesn’t have it anymore. The last thing I want is to sign him as though he were going to play and then be forced to cut a once great Colt. He doesn’t deserve to supplant Mike Hart on the roster at this point.
by invisibulman on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck has Hart done??
Nothing!
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by TRDean on Nov 4, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many opportunities has he had??
Few!
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 4, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a reason for that...
this is the NFL not the cub scouts…if he was capable he would be contributing.
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"I don't really trust a sane person."
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by TRDean on Nov 4, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TRDean, what are you doing?
You broke the cycle of asking a question in the header and using an exclamation mark in the body!
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
by Bobman on Nov 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's the big gripe about mike hart??
I guess I’m not seeing how a sixth round pick with two quality carries warrants playing time if he doesn’t earn it in practice.. I would take from the fact that he didn’t get much playing time that he’s right there with Ugoh.. I guy everyone seems to be wrong about.
by ColtfaninPitts on Nov 4, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he has earned it practice...
Which could be why he still has the roster spot.
by willyduer on Nov 4, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know that?
Maybe he’s still not 100%. We don’t know what happens everyday in practice. Don’t go assuming like that.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Nov 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good coaching
This game was close, Caldwell did not want to take any chances with on the job training ….missed blocking assignments turnovers etc.. I belive Hart would have gotten more playing time if we were moving the ball better.
by carmine on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted yes
I know Irsay gave Edge a ring, but there’s nothing like actually playing and winning the Super Bowl with the team that you had so much success with (based on if the Colts make it to the Super Bowl and win). Also, I think he still has a little left in the tank and could help the younger RBs on the team as well.
"Do I believe in aliens?" Stephon Marbury asked. "I don't know, because I've never seen one. But I believe in Jesus because I saw him in the shower the other day."
by KMR24 on Nov 4, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Since he seems like a good guy and a reasonably productive player at this point. Plus I’d love for him to be on the team if the Colts win another Super Bowl. It’d be nice to get him “another” ring.
That said, King Richard’s article has the same flawed reasoning he’s been using since the offseason, so let me repeat what every reasonably informed or intelligent observer takes as a given by now: The problem is not the running back. What’s that old definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result? Improve the line and we’ll improve the run. Change running backs and you might benefit from fresher legs, but it won’t make an enormous difference. Will it make enough of a positive difference that Edge’ll be worth the veteran minimum? Possibly.
Also, in answer to why Addai was in so much: Just as King Richard gets it wrong by overestimating the importance of the running back in the running game, he gets it wrong by underestimating the importance of Addai to every other facet of the offense. With the best QB/coach in history leading our offense, it is absolutely imperative that we have a smart, flexible, capable back who is a complete package: a good runner, yes, but also a great blocker who can pick up the blitz and a great receiver who can catch the check downs. I think Edge can do this, since he’s done it before, but Mike Hart? Chad Simpson? Whatever they add in the running game will probably be washed out by what they take away in blocking and receiving ability. For every yard Mike Hart gains that Addai didn’t (and it’s very questionable that he would gain any more yard), you give up another sack because the running back isn’t as comfortable with the system and audibles and picking up blitzes.
And, sorry if this turns a football debate into a more personal one, I find King Richard’s reasoning so consistently irrational that I mostly just entirely skip his posts. Though this is just my personal opinion, I visit this site less solely because he is a contributor.
by dsvirsky on Nov 4, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
BBBUUUUUUURRRRRNNNNN!!!!
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by TRDean on Nov 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dsvirsky brings up a good point:
Everyone concentrates on Addai’s rushing. But the importance of short outlet-pass catching as well as blocking in the Colts scheme can simply not be understated. So the debate by necessity has to include more than just yardage. It has to include all the duties, not merely the rushing.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edge
was a great receiver in his day. I haven’t seen him enough lately to say whether he would still be worth it, but if he can catch then I say it would be worth a shot.
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why you are picking on Hart so much
Simpson is the awful back here. Hart wasn’t too bad at stuff like blocking, receiving, etc.
Oh no!
by Bluedude on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Not the RB, it's the O line"
That’s what everyone wants to say, but just as the O line has some responsibility so does the RB. Brown has much better numbers than Addai and the line doesn’t change when he is in the game. If there is one thing we could always count on with Edge, it was that he can fight for those extra couple yards on every carry. He isn’t going to give us big plays anymore, but Brown will be able to do that when he is back at 100% and Addai will continue to be Addai.
The problem here is that Addai was drafted in the 1st round but he isn’t a first round talent, so everyone will continue to expect him to give us more than he is capable of. Addai should be a backup RB and nothing more. Brown will eventually be the #1 guy, but for now I think bringing Edge back is a good idea. Hart has shown nothing in practice even or else he would be getting carries too. Simpson is a joke as a returner and should be the first to go. I would rather see anyone else returning than Simpson. Except Silva of course….
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted maybe
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep up the good work KR.
I love your posts for what they don’t have: name calling, negativity, complaining, etc. I like when we can disagree without calling each other morons.
by shoein on Nov 4, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks bud.
I did this a few times at that dump of a site I used to write for so I figured, hell, why not try it out over at Stampede Blue you know? At least this time someone will actually be reading it.
-Me
by KingRichard on Nov 5, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question: Do we really think Edge will do better?
This is an honest question, not a rhetorical one. The ultimate issue is how much of the running game’s problems are on Indy’s running backs, and how much is on the offensive line. Obviously, it’s not merely one or the other, but some combination of both. The obvious point here is, can Edge’s ability really overcome the elements of the problem that the O-line contributes?
The ultimate question is, of course, is whether the magnitude of the problem each side contributes can be overcome with single substitutions on either side. The ideal, book answer is to improve both the O-line and the RB position through the draft, but that doesn’t solve a damn thing for 2 to 3 years. So the practical issue is whether merely upgrading one component of the problem – the running back position – will actually result in a difference or not. We can all agree that Joe doesn’t seem to orient himself downfield often enough, and doesn’t hit holes as well and as hard as he should. But even if Edge could hit holes better nowadays than Addai, would that be enough? Or would the O-line issues still limit his yardage (for example, through not giving enough of a hole, or not downfield blocking well enough. Or allowing backside tackling by a defender… fill in the blank).
The issue is a spectrum, and the answer people give ultimately depends on where on that spectrum people land. If the RB issues are the dominant ones, then Edge will indeed be a significant upgrade. If they’re not, if the line issues are dominant, then nothing short of a Barry Sanders-Jerome Bettis love child will fix that. If it’s something anywhere in between, well, that’s where the debate will get hot and interesting.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
bad image
Really you had to go with Barry Sanders-Jerome Bettis love child? That is WAY disturbing : )
Yeah, I'm Shure.
by Music Man on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You want disturbing?
Jeff Garcia – Pat Mcquistan love child.
BOO!!!
;)
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by E.M.H. on Nov 4, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say bring him back..
for reasons stated above.
1) If he’s ok with not being the starter (I think he would be)
2) If he’s ok with making vet minimum.
What does it hurt? He would be a wonderful mentor to both Addai and Brown. So we cut Hart? Hell, cut Simpson for all I care…I worry every time he returns a kick that he’s going to cough up the ball.
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Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Colts should sign Edge because...
1. It would be sweet to have him back even if he barely plays.
2. Chad Simpson (fat) and Mike Hart (midget) are worthless and need be on the practice squad.
by superlegitman on Nov 4, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
the one downside for this
say we sign edge, he’s never going to be better than #3 on the depth chart. Chad Simpson clearly has compromising photos of Bill Polian somewhere, so he’s not getting cut. The Colts want to keep Hart, so they need to try to get him to the PS. My point becomes this: What happens when someone on the defense gets hurt (it will happen) and they need to sign depth. Edge would be the first one to get cut, and thats got to be bad for optics or something.
by SpazMo on Nov 4, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is a real valid point
But I wish bringing Edge back could happen. But not to cut him later.
by tim55 on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Put Gonzo on the IR
We all know how this is going to play out….Gonzo will be “injured” all season long and remain on the roster for no good reason, just like Marvin.
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Gonzo goes on the IR I say go for it...
Keep our 4 RB’s and sign Edge too. We can always release one of them later if we need another WR like Sam Giguere or Taj Smith promoted from the practice squad.
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The question is...
Who would we cut to add Edge? We all know the Colts aren’t going to keep 5 RB’s on the active roster and unless one of them go on the IR then one has to get cut. Since Simpson is our return man (and I use that term loosely) and we all know Edge isn’t going to be returning any kicks (unless he happens to have a Delorian with a flux capacitor rockin’ the back seat) then that means we cut Hart. Now that’s fine with me since Hart hasn’t given us anything yet, but then what about the 3rd string back for next year or the year after? You know Edge isn’t going to be around for more than a year, maybe two . And Simpson is just hanging on until we luck across a decent return guy. So then what? Pick up a free agent RB? Only on rare occasions does that actually pan out. Do we waste another draft pick next year finding our next 3rd string back so we can spend the next year or two teaching him the system so he can just get cut when he can’t produce because of sub-par run blocking? We should be using those picks on some O-lineman who can actually run block so our already good RB’s can actually get some yardage.
This replacing of RB’s all the time instead of addressing the bigger issue of O-linemen reminds me of someone placing fresh bowls under their sink to catch water from a leaky faucet. FOR YEARS. Just buck up and call a plumber already dumbasses. Jesus…
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is another good point
1. Who should be cut? You never just add to a roster; room would have to be made.
2. Regardless of Addai’s “dancing” and the like, would an upgraded line be enough to overcome his liabilities? Remember: Addai went to the Pro Bowl, so he can definitely run. And if you open a hole big enough and block well enough, you can send Vern Troyer through for positive yardage. Didn’t Denver prove that a couple of years ago? ;) Ultimately: Is the running game’s problem one that is more reasonably solved with O-line upgrades in the future, or runningback upgrades now? That’s one place where the debate lies.
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by E.M.H. on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its on the O Line
Addai is a perfect back for our system.
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problems of now...
Cannot be solved in the future. And adding another running back right now isn’t going to solve any of our current rushing problems without bringing up different problems.
1.Ex. We bring in a player like Edge who is a skilled blocker and receiver and familiar with the system, but whose years of explosive runs are behind him. That’s great, but we already have a great blocking, catching, non-explosive running back named Joe Addai. So unless you want a back-up duplicate for Joe who is not going to improve any on our rushing problem but merely maintain the status quo, then that type of player is out of the question.
2.Ex. We get another player like Donald Brown who can break out explosive runs for big yards occasionally, but who is also a novice at pass blocking and receiving. So we’d have a guy who could get us 80 yds/game on the ground but might lose us 50 yds. on sacks, hurries and dropped passes. That isn’t going to help much either.
3.Ex. We get a player like Edge from 5 years ago who can do it all. Sounds awesome! Break out the time machine and let’s go get him!
But seriously, the chances of us picking up any quality players like these off of waivers this time of year is astronomical. Now if Joe was injured instead of Brown right now I might say pick Edge up as a stop-gap for a few games or the rest of the season but this isn’t the case. Addai looks just fine and we don’t need a duplicate of him right now, so, sorry, it’s a no to Edge.
There’s just no quick fix to this problem. We’re going to have to accept that and start the slow process of building our O-line back up. I know patience is hard to accept, especially as fans of a team who has been so quick to improve on trouble-spots in the past, but this is no shake ’n bake problem that can be remedied with a plastic bag and some bread crumbs.
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3rd string RB???
Not hard to find one at all.
See: waiver wires, draft rounds 5-7, walking down the street….
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The way we injure RB's...
Coupled with the pass blocking and receiving demands we place on them. We need a good 3rd stringer. Not some reject.
by peytonsurdaddy on Nov 5, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is interesting...
that we fans feel as if we know what the coaches should do with Mike Hart!
If the coaches are uncomforable with him carrying the ball SO AM I!!! I don’t care what he did in the preaseason last year!
Sign Edge, 3rd string him, 3-4 carries a game and let him bust the mouth of some DTs!!!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Umm
NO. just let it go. He was great in his day but his day has passed.
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by Bama Blue on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Missing the point...
I don’t think you bring back Edge to be a great running back…like SupermanWearsBobSander’sPJs said…3rd string…a few carries a game…and a real team player and mentor. He won’t improve the running game..but he would improve the mental strenght of the team.
I’d love to see him back in some capacity.
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by TRDean on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll add this
He also improves our flexibility and ability to adapt—he can do all that is required of a RB in this system. If JA and DB go down in one game, who do you want on blitz pickup? Edge. Who do you want swinging out of the backfield? Edge. Hey, they’re rushing 10 guys! No problem, Edge saw that in Week 6, 2002. Who do you want to keep the RB crew focused from within?
Two other items support my faith in him: Ricky Williams is having one of his best seasons—so age is not really the problem. Also, Edge showed the league that he could still produce when needed in the playoffs for the Cards last year. Marvin, I think we all agree, lost his edge and might not even make the team, or would not want to compete for the 3rd/4th slot. Edge has not lost it yet and has already been sitting in that 3rd/4th slot for most of the last two years. If the Hawks are already paying him, then the vet. min. it is!
I think that on 75% of the plays we’ll see, he provides a modest upgrade tothe RB position, but on the other 25%, a substantial upgrade. Then there’s his big brother persona, vet savvy, and if we win a SB, maybe retirement in blue at the end of the year. And if we don’t win it this year, then next.
Plus, as a business, he’s help the org sell more shirts, get the fans even more stoked, etc. Good pub, good community relations, etc. The downside is if he has to eventually be cut—that would negate a lot of the good karma. So we’d need to win the SB soon and convince him when it’s time to go….
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by Bobman on Nov 4, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i mostly agree except for the Ricky Williams comparison
2000 NFL carries vs. 3000 NFL carries.
It’s not age but usage that has slowed down James
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by psvirsky on Nov 4, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I don’t see the downside in this possibility. Veteran depth is always good. Smart veteran players are always an upgrade over unproven players.
Simpson isn’t giving us anything that any other player can’t give us already.
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This would be a signing full of WIN
Of course he’d have to come on for cheap, but we all know Edge loved Indy. EJ may be my favorite Colt of all time, so maybe I can find my #32 jersey I had in high school…
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by JPBarnett on Nov 4, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mentor Back
The thing is even if we signed him, he’s not likely to see alot of playing time as the colts would probably stick with their younger backs. He’d be more of a mentor role, helping to make them the kind of backs that he was. Both have the potential to be great, and being taught by Edge would really bring them along.
by ThirstyCamel on Nov 4, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
3rd and 4th string RB aren't there for the running game
First let me say that I would love to see Edge in a Colts uniform moving up the all time rushing leader standing.
Having said that, signing him now would be absurd. Mike Hart and Chad Simpson are not on the roster to be running backs. They are on the roster to play special teams. They return kicks, block and tackle on kick offs and are part of the punt team.
That is how 3rd and 4th string running backs make the team. So are we going to cut one of them and have Edge take over their duties? Would he want to? I certainly don’t want to see him blocking on punts and hurting himself running down the sideline on kickoffs.
Or we could cut someone else I suppose, but we are already in a bind with roster spots. Last week we had Silva returning punts. That was not an experiment folks, that was the Colts making do because they had no better options.
I say we sign him on one condition. If we have locked everything up at the end of the year and we are not playing our starters anyway the last week. If he is available sign him then and let Sorgi feed him the rock all game long to move him up the standings.
by kasey_junk on Nov 4, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Logic not permitted here
It’s easier to just compare our fondest memories of Edge to Hart’s injury history and conclude that Edge is better and it’s dumb to keep Hart and Simpson. That’s how it works here.
I like your idea about the last week. If he’s not on another team they should definitely do that. Of course they’d still have to cut someone just to play that little game…
This is the time of year when injuries start to pile up a bit – Hagler is the first. There’s no reason to rule anything out, of course, but unless Brown goes down for the season or something, I don’t think there’s any chance we’d see Edge back in blue.
by willyduer on Nov 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+32
7-0 feels oh so good. Bring on the Texans....
by AceOfSpades on Nov 4, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do we lose/gain?
Unless this last call up changed something, why wouldn’t we just demote Hart to the practice squad to bring him on? I do believe that he has a lot of potential, but right now it seems that injury concerns have hampered his development. Chad Simpson has also yet to show very much in either the run or return game, so what do we lose cutting ties with him? Does anyone here believe that a team would be quick to snatch him up? Probably not I suspect
What to gain? Edge still has many of skills and character traits that made him an all time great in his tenure with the Colts. He can still block, catch, and run the ball effectively. Obviously, his physical abilities are declining, but that is to be expected with age. But his experience and leadership ability would seem to be worth whatever we would need to do to add him to our roster. That is of course if he would sign for the veteran minimum and would understand his role.
There would be no need to give him a long term deal, but it could add an edge to the rushing offense that they need here in the short term(no pun here). This team, with an upper half caliber rushing offense, is an undoubted championship favorite. If this gets us there, or we could reasonably expect it would, then let’s get it done.
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by Bullard47 on Nov 4, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edge still has it
I have punished myself each and every Sunday watching the pathetic Hawks up here in Seattle. I have kept a keen eye on Edge and must report that he still has it and his YPC stat is deceptive. During garbage time in the Jags game, the Hawks ran Edge 10 straight times. Everyone knew it was coming. Same for his ragged performance in week one against the Rams. Those two games account for 66% of his carries. He was basically running out the clock. His carries that came during the real part of the game were solid and while he might be a step slower, he is incredible at waiting for holes to open up and always seems to fall forward. Plus, our O-line is simply a joke. Sign him up!
by MorganG on Nov 4, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
perhaps...
he knows the Colts offense and maybe he can thrive again in our offense. He is a great pass blocker and receiver. If he will take the league minimum, what is it going to hurt? Hart and Simpson aren’t going to bust out and give us any thing special this year anyway… The Edge, with his experience might though.
It’s a very low risk move; especially if #29 or #31 get banged up somewhere along the way. Come on Colts fans. You know our playoff record, say Addai takes a hit in the first quarter of a playoff game against San Diego and is out (fingers crossed, knock on wood)… would you rather have Manning handing the ball off to Simpson/Hart or The Edge?
by jadurr03 on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather whoever he hands it to
have the ability to run upfield… how do you think Edge would feel about RT?
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 4, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is:
If Edge wound up a Colt again and produced some on the field, and supplied the emotional boost in the locker room and practice field that I think he would, this would be the “feel good” story of the season, particularly if it includes a trip to the Super Bowl. From a fan standpoint, I’d be walking around the next offseason with a permanent smile stuck on my ugly mug. Hey Polian, wanna make one fan happy who has absolutely no chance of seeing the Colts play in Indiana happy? Get the Edge back.
by tim55 on Nov 4, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Make that two fans.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 4, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schefter tweeting
that Edge has passed through waivers and is now an UFA. In response to someone wanting to know whether Edge will be headed to the Jets or the Pats, Schefter responds that he’ll be headed home to wait a long time for a phone call.
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Nov 4, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Edge
I am not against EDGE being on the team, but I don’t think he’s the answer to our rushing problem. I wrote an acticle called LOSING OUR EDGE when Edge left Indy describing about how I was glad he was gone and how we’d be better off, and oddly enough we won the Super Bowl. Do people not remember the 4th and Goal from the 1 yard line against New England, when Edge got stopped. He hasn’t ran hard in years. Addai isn’t a break out runner. That’s why we have Brown. I think the reason Hart and Simpson weren’t getting carriest against 49ers has everything to do with pass protection. Manning was getting hit all day. Addai is a Vet now, and caldwell wasn’t going to risk pass protection on two untested players. Maybe if we were 3-4. But we are undefeated and Brown will be back soon, so why risk a blown pass protection that could get Manning hurt, to run the ball better for one game? Back to Edge though, one thing he was GREAT at was pass protection!
by raycolts on Nov 4, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Addai or Brown got a long term injury
I might be OK with signing Edge to replace him. As it stands, we’ve got two first round running backs, we don’t need a third who is largely done and no longer has anything resembling breakout play ability.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 4, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
however,
I would trust James to pick up 1 yards on 3rd/4th and 1 more than I do Addai. Edge never seems to lose a yard no matter when he’s hit.
by SpazMo on Nov 4, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
despite Edge's knack for falling forward
the Colts generally weren’t good in power situations with him, especially after his knee injury
Pre Knee Edge
1999: 14th
2000: 2nd
2001: 17th
Dom
2002: 30th
Post Knee Edge
2003: 30th
2004: 32nd
2005: 29th
Dom/Addai
2006: 22nd
Addai/Keith
2007: 1st
Addai/Dom
2008: 21th
Addai/Brown
2009: 12th
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 4, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there's a point where i stop trusting numbers...
and this is it, bceause according to your numbers i should have liked the 2007 rushing offense, and i by far preferred 2006 and 2005.
I often wonder if Addai isnt ‘shying away from contact’, but if he’s skittish, because he ruined the Colts season in 2007 by ending marvin harrison’s career and probably running over a field mouse on his way to the practice facility.
Anyhow, Im obviously not calling for Edge to come and be the #1, that would be dumb. But I’m falling out of love with Addai. He has two modes: SEARCH AND DESTROY SIDELINE and SEARCH AND DESTROY BLOCKERS ASS. He needs to rediscover SEARCH AND DESTROY OPEN FIELD TO YOUR LEFT OR RIGHT AND RUN AS HARD AS YOU CAN.
by SpazMo on Nov 5, 2009 4:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the numbers listed are power success, not total effiecency.
FO still likes 2007’s running game better, but by a FAR narrower margin. 5th vs 7th and 8th in the league.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Nov 5, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would Edge bring to the team?
Edge is, or was, very good at pass blocking. Addai played almost every down vs SF because they were blitzing. Simpson and Hart are not able to pick up the blitz like Addai can.
I say get Edge, if he’s still unemployed, when the colts release Stover.
by xxrmhxx on Nov 4, 2009 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Best tribute vid to Edge I've seen yet
by colts9318rock on Nov 4, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for that.
I’m going to use that later.
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by Cassieper on Nov 6, 2009 5:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edge would fit in seamlessly
I hope things work out so the Colts can re-sign Edge James for the remainder of the year. Taking nothing from Mike Hart, Joseph Addai, or the still injured Brown, Edge is a proven workhorse with the grind-out-the extra inches/feet/yards we need in a running back right now. The team and Peyton are already familiar with him. Wouldn’t we all breathe a little easier with this unsung hero back with us? I know I would.
Today is another opportunity for excellence.
by Suzistotle on Nov 7, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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