Anthony Gonzalez might go under the knife
by Brad Wells on Nov 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST
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PrintThe rumor mill is buzzing that Anthony Gonzalez's season may be over:
The word is that [Gonzalez is] asking Dr. James Andrews, who is likely to confirm that he's got more than sprained PCL. The thought is that it is likely torn.
The long term health of Gonzo is important, and I do not want to see the Colts pull a 2007 Marvin Harrison with Gonzo's injury. If he can't go by December, IR him and use the roster spot on someone who can help the team. Right now, Gonzo is not helping the team.
With the emergence of Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie, along with the signing of Hank Baskett, the loss of Gonzo is not that severe. I know some are "worried" that Garcon is too inconsistent, and others are pissed Baskett dropped a few balls against the 49ers Sunday. Calm down. Relax. The wide receivers are fine. We don't have Aaron Morehead back there anymore. We actually have guys who can, you know, do stuff.
Back to Gonzo, I'd very much love it if he can play again this year. If he can't, the team has the talent to move on.
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cmon BBS
I really miss the scared to death look Moorehead always had on his face when he was in a regular season game…..“He might throw it to me…….oh god he might throw it to me”
actually I dont……..where did that guy even end up?
I agree that our WR’s will get it together. I dont expect them to keep missing opportunities when the ball comes their way.
LOL
Moorehead had Reche Caldwell eyes.
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lol
he did, didn’t he?
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 5, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I guess it would help posting a Moorehead pic:
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 5, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I LOVE this pic.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Wow!
The Colts are sure a resilient bunch! If he doesn’t come back soon, it might be better to just further develop what we have…..and let the chemistry strengthen. I really like the group of receivers we have out there now! Baskett better step it up too!
I'm with you on that, :-(
"Do I believe in aliens?" Stephon Marbury asked. "I don't know, because I've never seen one. But I believe in Jesus because I saw him in the shower the other day."
What?
The only consistent receivers we have on the team are Wayne, Clark and Collie…so picture this, 3rd & 4 in the playoffs on a game-winning or game-sealing drive (clock management), Manning comes out with a 3 WR, 1 TE set, Collie is covered, Wayne is doubled, Clark is covered and Baskett/Garcon is open down the middle..now really, how much faith do you have in that situation?
The loss of GONZO is that severe…Peyton can only do so much…he can throw the ball where it needs to be, but the other side of a completed pass is catching…Gonzo catches just about everything, Garcon/Baskett are absolutely hit or miss. I would rather have consistency than someone who can give you all, or give you nothing..just my take! I hope that Garcon & Baskett come into form and start establishing themselves as consistent receivers, because we will need that come January!
GO COLTS!
Hopefully, with more playing time,
they will.
In that scenario
they will shock the world and hand it off to Brown on a draw play up the middle.
=)
I agree
I agree with this assessment. I’m not all that taken with Garcon. He reminds me of Gaffney when he was with the Patriots. Speedy, but inconsistent and not very reliable. Baskett was cut/waived or whatever by the Eagles, and I think we’ve probably already seen why.
I have to agree with Z.Pain
and respectfully disagree with BBS. We’re good enough to go 13-3 and beat the creampuffs we’ve beaten, but when it comes to 15-round, punch in the face games in Jan and Feb decided by a couple plays, I was mentally counting on Gonzo.
Less confident now, is all…..
Although Z.Pain, you did fail tomention the back swinging out of the backfield (if all those LBs/DBs are in coverage downfield) or are we keeping Edge in to block? ;-)
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Oh man
How I would love to have number 32 lined up in the backfield again….
But yes Bobman, I agree, a halfback swing pass could do the job…however, if we had a more elusive back, than sure, I would say do that (and let the HB make the play), but realistically, I would rather see the ball thrown beyond the first down chains if possible!
Depends what defense they're playing
You don’t see Manning dumping it off to Brown/Addai releasing into the flat or audibling to a run if there are only 4 guys in the box?
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
Hmmm...
If there are 4 guys in the box, he might as well keep it himself for the 4 yards with that lightning speed of his. 4 Defenders vs 5 Offensive Linemen? I would take my chances….
But realistically speaking, who puts 4 guys in the box in a 3rd & 4 situation? You are basically saying that there are only 4 defenders going back 5 yards from the line of scrimmage (the definition of the “box”)…this isn’t a MAX prevent defensive situation. The defense would likely come out in a 4-3/3-4 Nickel Package.
My point isn’t necessarily what would happen in this situation, my point was that I would be a whole lot more at ease if there was a sure-handed receiver (such as Gonzo) who was on the receiving end of the ball vs. Garcon and/or Baskett.
Hmmm...
If there are 4 guys in the box, he might as well keep it himself for the 4 yards with that lightning speed of his. 4 Defenders vs 5 Offensive Linemen? I would take my chances….
But realistically speaking, who puts 4 guys in the box in a 3rd & 4 situation? You are basically saying that there are only 4 defenders going back 5 yards from the line of scrimmage (the definition of the “box”)…this isn’t a MAX prevent defensive situation. The defense would likely come out in a 4-3/3-4 Nickel Package.
My point isn’t necessarily what would happen in this situation, my point was that I would be a whole lot more at ease if there was a sure-handed receiver (such as Gonzo) who was on the receiving end of the ball vs. Garcon and/or Baskett.
It happens
You said double Wayne (let’s say a safety and corner), we’ll assume single coverage on Garcon/Collie/Clark (we’ll say 2 corners and a backer). There would probably be a safety helping the other corners. That leaves 5 guys, and depending on the time left in the game that backer is playing some sort of zone or blitzing. So I still go back to dump it off or audible to a run. Especially if you’re worried about Garcon’s/Baskett’s hands.
You did say that this was a game winning drive, so I was assuming not much time left on the clock.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
There are hundreds of potential scenarios in this situation..I never said this was man-on-man coverage. It could be Man-Zone coverage, which would then translate to the D putting the best cover corner on Wayne along with over the top safety help. The rest of the coverage could be in Zone, Man, a combo of both…just way too many scenarios here. Again, my point was that I would rather have the pass go further than the line of scrimmage to a sure-handed open receiver than to Addai and Brown 4 yards behind the 1st down marker with a chance of getting dropped in the backfield. Your situation described above still calls for 5 in the box, whether the LB is blitzing, pass protecting, covering the HB or spying the QB…and even if you were to line up a LB on Dallas Clark and a nickel on Collie in the slot, you would then have 7 in the box…being in the box doesn’t mean you are stopping the run, being in the box simply means you are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.
This is true
I guess the point of my post is that while losing Gonzo is bad, it’s not the end of the world. The Colts have some decent options to go to. Injuries happen, and while I would feel a lot better with a “security blanket” player in crunch time teams find a way to make it work. Losing Gonzo is not the end of the world.
You were partially correct on my example. I had the defense in Nickle so there were 6 men in the box, and 6 men went into coverage at the snap.
Ignore the hype; look at the results.
+1
Another pair of reliable hands will most definitely help down the stretch. It’ll be a shame to lose any chance of Gonzo, even for the post-season. I guess we just have to hope that Garcon will continue to improve (drops, penalties) and Baskett will show up for more than special teams play.
It'd be nice to get him back
But if he’s got a more serious injury than previously thought, put him under the knife and let’s get on with it.
Dr. Andrews is the guy who repaired Drew Brees' shoulder.
It must be bad if they’re going to him.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
He's repaired Edge's knee
and just about every famous joint I’ve ever heard of. Rumor has it he invented the human elbow.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
LOL, where do you come up with this stuff?
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
I had thought of that too,
but I was too late :-(
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This yahoo story is blown out of proportion
Phil B reported this yesterday. There is no new info in the yahoo report. He just cites the Phil B report that Gonzo is getting a second opinion.
Everything else he says is speculation, based on that report.
18to88.com
I'm certainly not holding my breath on getting him back.
But, if he does come back, it will be a pleasant surprise. In the meantime, let’s roll forward full steam ahead with what we have!
It's not about holding breath...
It’s just that the only actual report was that he was going to seek a second opinion. That was reported by Phil B. This guy isn’t reporting anything. He’s just speculating that that means he’ll have to get surgery. If you read the item, he doesn’t claim to have any information.
This isn’t a ‘report’. It’s an interpretation of a news story that Phil B buried in the bottom of his column.
18to88.com
by deshawn zombie on Nov 5, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, yeah
It’s posted in their “rumours” section. It’s about as sourced as a dude overhearing a conversation on the train, and isn’t being represented as anything more.
They’re not blowing anything out of proportion – it’s not even linked on their Colts homepage. It’s some guy spinning shit, nothing more.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 5, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas Clark 2006 is now my best case scenario
We get him back for a couple weeks practice, the last game, and the playoffs where he averages 6 catches, 75 yards, and 1 TD for the three rounds.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
That would be great -
I forgotty all about Dallas’ injury…hm. Something positive.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Nov 5, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
We will be fine
We will be fine…. I like our current setup.
Or Jack Kevorkain
That’s how yo uknow the team doesn’t want to re-sign you. When you have a broken finger and they set you up for a consultation with Dr. Jack.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Hey...
this should clear up that roster spot for Edge right?
/bad joke
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Question for someone who is knowledgable
What is the recovery period from this sort of surgery (if true)? What im getting at is that, If gonzo had his surgery in week 1, would he have been able to come back by say week 15 or 16…. or even possibly week 19 (if we get a first round bye)?
DID SOMEONE SAY CHAMPIONSHIP
If he needed/needs surgery, it would probably be between 8-12 months til he could return to competitive football…so, surgery at any point would have sidelined him for the year.
Yep
Would be very odd for a PCL to be seriously damaged without contact though, they usually only go when you get hit whilst putting weight on the leg.
Let’s hope it’s nothing that serious.
by eltharion_doa on Nov 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I re-watched the Jags game,
Right before Gonzo went down, on the previous play, he was blocking. I think he got hurt during that play.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
I wrote Phil B
to see if he intended to imply Gonzo was done for the year. You can read his full response here
Basically he said that he suspects something could be wrong, but there is no information to that effect. Phil B has no information to that effect, and it is his report that the yahoo column is based on.
18to88.com
True
And what really bugs me is that, just because Miller of Yahoo’s opinion is not actually ruled out, there’s actually a chance that this unsupported rumor he created could end up being validated. Which would be stupid, given that he’s be responsible for nothing more than guessing right.
It takes no skill to win Powerball. Same thing applies to Miller’s piece.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Exactly
I’m not saying he’s wrong.
I have no idea.
Neither does he.
He’s just guessing. He’s reading what Phil B wrote and drawing a conclusion that is possible, though not implied by the author. If Phil B doesn’t know, then neither does Miller.
18to88.com
by deshawn zombie on Nov 5, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
If it happens, it happens
IN PEYTON I TRUST!!!!
Just remember, in the 2006 Title game, on a critical 2nd and 10 he hit Brian Fletcher. He can make Garcon and Collie into players good enough to beat anybody.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
I have got to say
If your whole training staff has thought for seven weeks that it’s just a strain, and then they JUST find out that actually it’s a tear, you fire the whole goddamn training staff because they’re a bunch of morons.
I've been saying this for a couple of years now
and my opinion was bolstered by my Dr. Blue series. One of my observations is that these guys don’t seem to understand the value of stretching and warm-ups. That said, I feel that Caldwell has implemented a different philosophy around returning guys – I have this impression that Dungy would have pushed Sanders, Jackson and Gonzo in earlier than when they were really ready. Caldwell seems to trust his healthy players more and allow the injured guys to recover more fully. I’m liking that, especially right now.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Regardless,
nobody in media has the full story on what’s up with Gonzo. Other than what came out of Caldwell’s mouth, virtually everything else said is speculation at this point. It is a shame Gonzo appears to be having problems with his recovery, but the fact is that the games will be played no matter who is in or out, and all this knashing of teeth is a waste. I expect the Colts to kick ass with whoever is on the field. Excuse me while I go say 3,000 hail marys to protect PM from injury……And I’m a Presbyterian.
Dr. James Andrews?
Yep, he’s done
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First time comment
This is my first time commenting on Stampede Blue, but have been reading for years and love the sight. With regards to this thread, I work in healthcare, and have had some access to the physicians that handle the Colts. Indy Lori is correct, Gonzo actually injured the knee on the previous play. The players are taught to go down if they feel their knee gives way, so in the next play when he felt the problem, he went to the ground. This is why it seems weird that he “hurt” his knee just running off the line, but is more of a protective mechanism.
Thank you for pointing out that I was right about Gonzo, I REALLY like being right.lol
And Welcome to SB.!
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
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Interesting info....
stick around here some more :-)
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Viz Media (The creators of my absolute favorite show of all-time and inspiration to my avatar, Naruto) just announced a partnership with the channel Disney XD to bring the English-dubbed episodes of Naruto Shippuden (The continuation of the Naruto series) to that station with a new episode airing each week, starting, well, NOW. With the series recording I just put on it, this is one of the greatest days I've had in a long time. I'm not kidding. I love the show that much.
this really worries me
if we dont get gonzo back which it is looking like we wont then we need to go and look to see who is out there on practice squads to pick up. also for jackson who is likely done as well we need to do the same. i expect to see them on the IR list soon
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