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Week Fourteen Preview: Broncos at Colts

The Denver Broncos and the Indianapolis Colts have significant history between one another. Whether it is nail-biting, smash-mouth-style games played in snowstorms, or playoff blowouts featuring Peyton Manning throwing about a gazillion touchdown passes to then-Colts wide receiver Brandon Stokley, some of the most memorable games for these modern Colts have been against the Broncos.

This Sunday, they renew their rivalry with some new faces.

Gone are head coaches Tony Dungy for the Colts and Mike Shanahan for the Broncos. Replacing Shanahan is the brash and cocky Bill Belichick protege in Josh McDaniels. The new head coach in Indy is the soft-spoken, even-keeled Dungy disciple that is Jim Caldwell. Both have different approaches to the game. Both have gotten a lot out of their football teams of late. And while some players are new to this party, like Brian Dawkins and rookie Knowshon Moreno, other players are very familiar with this rivalry, but are now "playing for the enemy"; namely the before mentioned Brandon Stokely and defensive tackle Darrell Reid. Both play for Denver now.

For the Colts, the lone "defector" in the rivalry is former-Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer. He is now coordinating the Colts defense, and doing a great job.

With the Broncos regaining their form after dropping four straight, this game figures to be like any other match-up the Colts had had to deal with this year: Hard and physical.

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The Broncos are a bit of an enigma in that you aren't quite sure what you are going to get when you play them, and that is necessarily by design. During their 6-0 start, they seemed to have a lot of breaks go their way, with the incredibly lucky Brandon Stokley tip-catch-TD at the beginning of the year to beat the Bengals as the best example of said breaks. When they lost four in a row, they seemed to get exposed a bit. Their only meaningful road win was a 43-23 victory over the Chargers, but that win was later avenged by the Chargers utterly dominating the Broncos 32-3. They righted their ship, somewhat, by beating a banged-up Giants team and then later feasting on the small children that litter their division (namely, the Kansas City Chiefs).

In terms of standard stats, the Broncos defense is tied with the Colts, giving up exactly 16.8 points per game. The Broncos have 34 sacks, are about even with the Colts in terms of run defense, and sport a dangerous return threat in Eddie Royal.

The big reason the Broncos are 8-4 is their defense. Though Josh McDaniels has done a good job with a Denver team many felt would only win 3 games this year, the fact is McDaniels has nothing to do with the Broncos defense. He doesn't coach it, scheme it, or call plays for it on gameday. Mike Nolan, the current Broncos defensive coordinator and former head coach of the 49ers, runs Denver's D.

The standard stats for the defense are impressive, but when you factor in shake n bake's ever lovable, huggable DVOA stats, the Denver defense is top notch. They are ranked #4 in DVOA.

Meanwhile, the Broncos offense is ranked 21st in the league using standard scoring stats (20 points per game) and 19th in DVOA. The also rank in the bottom half of the league on third down completion percentage.

OK, those were the stats. now, we move to the keys:

  • A key match-up in the game is between Denver's outstanding left tackle, Ryan Clady, going up against all-world defensive end Dwight Freeney. Clady is as good as they come. But, then again, so were potential future Hall of Famers like Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones. Freeney routinely ate those guys for lunch, and unless Denver plans to give Clady help he could be another "skull on the pile" for Freeney. Gil Brandt of NFL.com has a write-up on this match-up.
  • Pressure on Denver Broncos quarterback Kyle Orton is very key. Last year, Orton (who played his college ball at Purdue following Drew Brees leaving for the NFL and just prior to Curtis Painter's tenure) walked into the grand opening of Lucas Oil Stadium and lit the place up. He was able to do this because his pocket was clean and he was rarely, if ever, pressured. That, and he had Matt Forte galloping all over the field for him. The Colts cannot allow Orton to gain any kind of comfort zone. They must get into his face, and pressure him into mistakes.
  • The other key match-up for the game is Peyton Manning v. Brian Dawkins and the Broncos secondary. The DBs in Denver are rather geriatric by NFL standards. Dawkins has been in the league 14 years. Starting corner Champ Bailey has played for 11 years while nickel corner (and longtime Colts nemesis) Ty Law, who signed with the Broncos a few weeks ago after a long absence from the NFL, has played 15 years. Denver will likely look to mix coverages, allowing their corners to play one-on-one with safety help against Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. This is the tactic the Patriots used a few weeks ago. This means players like Pierre Garçon and Austin Collie must continue to step it up. Denver coach Josh McDaniels acknowledged the development and growth of Garçon and Collie is a recent press conference they have as part of Colts.com's weekly Colts Up-Close, Online Edition.

As always, the Colts must take the field this Sunday against a hungry, playoff situated team that is looking to solidify their post-season chances. Just like most other "experts," I too am very surprised by Denver's current 8-4 record. But, you have to give them credit. I personally think much of the credit should go to Mike Nolan, but McDaniels deserves some props for hiring Nolan and for making some strong personnel moves this off-season along with new Broncos GM Brian Xanders. 

Obviously, there are elements of McDaniels personality and coaching style that leave one feeling that he is a little bit of a punk. Though we've been bashing him for a few weeks now, Yahoo! Sports "expert" Michael Silver did write an interesting article this week detailing how "ugly" McDaniels has acted and carried himself this season. However, despite the slime trail McDaniels seems to leave behind him, you cannot discount that he has done a better job with the 2009 Denver Broncos than Mike Shanahan did with the 2008 Denver Broncos.

I recently said in this Mile High Report FanPost that Nolan was able to take a defense with, roughly, the same players that Mike Shanahan had and transform them into a top flight D.

Turns out, I was wrong.

According to Broncos fans (and it's reasonable to trust them on this), only Elvis Dumervil, Champ Bailey, and D.J. Williams are holdovers starting from last year's defense. Everyone else appears new, and they are buying in to the Broncos "Pats West-style" 3-4 defense.

Many thanks to Broncos fans at MHR for an excellent series of FanPosts, allowing communities from both blogs to interact. In the three FanPosts created (two on MHR, one here) we had close to 700 comments from Broncos and Colts fans alike with much of the discussion focused solely on football and the game itself.

In fact, our FanPost had less trash talk than the Tweets between Raheem Brock and Darrell Reid.

These Q&As between writers and readers might one of the best weeks we've had with another blog all season. Special thanks to ANGELSFAITH and John Bena.

This should be a hard fought game between two teams who might meet again in the post-season. We shall see.

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BBS

How is Orton and the injury? His mobility? I have a feeling we will see a lot of step drops to get the ball out quick.

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by TRDean on Dec 11, 2009 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

Orton

I’d think that even if he were healthy we’d see the three-step, ball out style of offense. Teams rarely drop 5 or 7 steps back on Indy because of the pass rush.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Denver doesn’t typically hold the ball that long…if they do bad things happen. Kyle 100% healthy is not a very mobile QB

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by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Answer

He looked like there was no issue last week and there were quite a few plays where he held the ball and did his best to move around. I think the ankle is fine at this point.

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by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Great follow up question

Yes it did have to do with Orton, but not because of Orton’s ankle injury. Orton really lacks mobility in the pocket…even when he is 100% healthy. He just doesn’t impress at all when the situation gets hairy in the pocket.

I think Denver’s been spoiled a bit with our QBs recently…espcially Elway and Plummer…they have a real knack for scrambling out of the pocket and being accurate passers. That is most definitely NOT one of Orton’s forte’s…same for Peyton IMMHO. That just isn’t their game.

If your edge guys break down the protection, they will have an easy time sacking Orton. The good thing for us is that our Offensive Line is really REALLY good. It should be fun to watch.

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by sadaraine on Dec 11, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Good preview.

Clady/Freeney is hyping up to be an exciting match up. I hope Mathis gets a few downs during the game. I wouldn’t want him to play most of the game, but perhaps few obvious passing downs.

That Michael Silver article is like fan fiction (as it was discussed in the Fanpost thread.) I like McDaniels and I don’t think there is anything wrong w/ his relationship b/w the Pats. Silver’s just writing crap again. Just like he thinks it’ll be a Saints/Chargers superbowl.

by diagenesis on Dec 11, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Mike Silver

Silver is an unabashed Chargers (and Cal State Bears) fan and as such a true hater of all other AFC West teams – especially the Broncos.

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by Broncos 'n Scotch (BS) on Dec 11, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Cal State Bears?

BS, you better hope our resident Cal alum, LovinBlue doesn’t get hold of you.

University of California at Berkeley Golden Bears. Either Cal or Bears work fine, but “Cal State” is probably some kind of grevious insult. I’m no local, but pretty sure the UC schools are a significant cut above the Cal State schools, academically and athletically.

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by Bobman on Dec 12, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions  

you speak the truth Bobman

but most out-of-staters don’t know the difference between the systems/schools, or even that Cal=California=Berkeley. The only thing that will change this is more consistent presence in big theaters like the BCS or NCAA Tourney. In the meantime, I’ll just sit back and watch my esteemed professors collect more research accolades and Noble Laureates (for which there are specially-designated parking spaces on campus – no joke!)

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by LovinBlue on Dec 13, 2009 8:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

why do I do this too myself

saw Skip Bayless on TV arguing with Herm Edwards and didn’t immediately change the channel.

Talking about the Steelers collapse and the lack of Polamalu, Edwards brought up Sanders, the key role he’s played, and the success the Colts have had this year without him.

Bayless responds that Sanders is basically a linebacker, while Polamalu covers the pass.

It’s not like the Colts play a scheme that in it’s name tells you that Sanders is playing deep pass coverage.

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by shake n bake on Dec 11, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

Skip? Really, shake, really?

Hey Skip, a tip, if anyone mentions the Colts, just say Peyton Manning and you’ll come out looking like Ed Witten.*

*Yes, inserting random people’s names in my posts is my attempt at educating the masses about them.

by diagenesis on Dec 11, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I always tell myself not to watch that idiot

but something always pulls me in. I was surfing through the channels a few days ago and saw that they were talking about Peter Kings electing Peyton as the Decades’ Qarterback of the NFL. Well, Skip began mentioning early decade loss to Jets and Miami and the INTs Peyton has thrown in the playoffs; and even though Peyton has a ring; this old, grumpy, ugly mofo is still discreditng it since he beat a team led by Rex Grossman (like Jake Delhomme is a hall of famer or something) and the 2 playoff losses to the Bolts even though Peyton played very well in those games. Basically he thinks Brady is the QB of the Decade who happened to be apart of Super Bowl teams will dominating defenses while he was a rich man’s Trent Dilfer.

Either ESPN tells Skip to be a douchebag or he’s still pissed that his beloved Commadores have never beaten a Manning-led team.

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by KMR24 on Dec 11, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

Very good summary of matchups, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say that McDaniels doesn’t do any scheming on defense. Although McDaniels is known for his work as an O-coordinator and QB coach he got his start coaching defensive backs for NE and also working as a grad assistant with Nick Saban at Michigan State on the defensive side of the ball. So McDaniels is a well schooled coach who game plans both sides of the ball.

But yes, Mike Nolan deserves a great deal of credit for rebuilding a defense that was 31st last season and is now in the top 10 of most categories. Much like I think Larry Coyer and Jim Caldwell deserve credit for adding a few new wrinkles to the Colts defense.

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by RockyMountainThunder on Dec 11, 2009 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Really Clady Freeny

I’m disappointed nobody is paying attention to Ryan Harris being out for the season. He was out during the four game losing streak. I think the replacement Polumbus picking up Mathis is more of a key than Freeney. Come on people!

by NMSUAggies on Dec 11, 2009 4:13 PM EST reply actions  

I think the problem is we don't know Mathis's status for Sunday yet.

It seemed likely at the beginning of the week that he wouldn’t play and he still might not.

by diagenesis on Dec 11, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

so sorry to hear that

 ; )

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 11, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Does Freeney always play the one side or does he switch?

If he switches, then IMO, the colts should move him to the Polumbus side and put someone else on Clady. That way you are guaranteed a beneficial matchup for Freeney.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 11, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I just love your signature

Both lines are gold

As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.

by skywalker on Dec 11, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

haha thanks

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 11, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Freeney always lines up over the LT

and Mathis always lines up over the RT. They have looped inside before and done various stunts during plays, but they always line up on the same sides.

Great question though.

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by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I was talking about offensive tackle.

I was saying that Freeney always lines up across from the left offensive tackle.

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by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen him line against the right OT as well. Like only two times ever and he said it felt all wrong, but

I remember it. (Because Freeney commented on how odd it was for him.) What game was Mathis out this year?

by diagenesis on Dec 11, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't remember Mathis being out this year.

He missed about half of the Titans game last week, but that’s all I recall.

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by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it was last year then.

I would look it up, but I am watching a movie and totally not on the internet.

by diagenesis on Dec 11, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

okay, cool. I was just wondering. Thanks for your answer.

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by kentuckybronco on Dec 11, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That's really an excellent point

Polumbus struggled earlier this season replacing Harris, who is probably our most underrated player. Fortunately for us, he’s upped his game over the past few weeks. But you’re right — if there is a weak link to be found in our O line right now, I’d probably point at RT.

Good call, NMSU.

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by broncosmontana on Dec 11, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the difference is that Clady/Freeney is the kind of good matchup

football fans can appreciate, whereas the Mathis/Polumbus matchup is one mainly Colts fans would enjoy. The good thing is that if a back is shifted to work on Mathis, 93 might have more shots (plus that back is not able to catch outlet passes).

If they both get help, that limits the scope of their receiving corps, but puts more pressure on our D backfield because Orton will likely have more time (at least on deep passes—if they stick to 3-steps all day, it’s not a big deal).

Unless Session blitzes up the gut, sacks him high, their neckbeards magically meld, the world as we know it comes crashing to a neckbearded halt.

I gotta go shave now….

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by Bobman on Dec 12, 2009 3:39 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Gotta Rec "Neckbeards".... I think they'll catch on, huh? :D

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by thefrozz on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Great matchups

Clady/Freeny will be fun to watch…but I am looking forward to Champ v. Wayne as well.

Although it has not been common for Champ to key on the #1 receiver all game this year, I have a gut feeling this week may be the exception. The twist is that this matchup will also be Champ v. Manning. Most teams will avoid Champ like the plague, but I doubt Manning will surrender his top weapon without a fight. Will McD add Dawkins as deep help, or leave Champ with an Island to defend? With this many future HOF’ers involved it will be fun to watch.

Should be a great game.

by LAbroncfan on Dec 12, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Response

First off, the “Sally Sunshine” take you have on McDaniels is damn near close to vomit inducing. During this whole preview, I praised McDaniels for doing a fine job with the Broncos. But, enough people, from various sources, have written articles about how much of an arrogant prick McDaniels is. From his silly fist pumping after beating the Patriots to his players seemingly quitting on him during the horrible loss to the Chargers, there are legitimate questions about McDaniels has a person and as a coach.

Is he doing a better job with this group than what Shanahan did last year? Absolutely. But, no offense, but that isn’t saying much.

The primary reason Denver is 8-4 is their defense, and McDaniels has next to zero coaching input in that unit. He doesn’t scheme it, coach it, or call plays for it. Lining up as a DB in camp might get you all excited about his coaching ability, but from what I’ve seen of the guy during gameday, it is Nolan making that unit go, not McDaniels. McDaniels deserves credit for hiring Nolan, but let’s put things in their proper perspective.

Also, no offense, but I’m not going to ignore what others are writing and listen to the Denver fanbase. You guys were all over Shanahan’s nuts even though it was OBVIOUS he sucked as a coach. I mean, foot to the balls obvious. now that he’s gone, you’re taking the same blind homersim and applying it to McDaniels.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 12, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Vomit inducing......NICE!

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by Indy Lori on Dec 12, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

sigh Certainly sounds like regurgitation to me, alright.

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

occurred to me you might have thought i was calling out your post

when i said “that article”. I wasn’t, I was calling out Silver and Silver only. I thought the rest of your writing was quite excellent and you’re certainly entitled to all of your opinions, whether or not i agree with them. Personally, I don’t always agree with your tone, BBS, but i do think you contribute a lot to the conversation.

I would like to know what exactly you meant by “slime trail”, though?

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 13, 2009 5:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Rec'd

All too often we forget that football is a game, and that sometimes that passion you have for it can be as vital to success as being restrained and professional.

McDaniels has made mistakes, but he’s making more successes than failures.

And despite all the flack he took on the Cassell/Cutler ordeal, in truth, it looks like McDaniels was right….

by DevilsReject on Dec 11, 2009 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

What impressed me about the way he handled that circus was his even temperament. He didn’t call Jay out or infer anything about his professionalism or return pot shots in the media. He kept a very even keel and didn’t seem to take any of the criticism personally or let it.

I’m not saying every decision he made was the right one, but on balance he’s done fine. I like a coach that can handle that type of pressure, keep a check on his pulse during the week, and then get himself (and his team) fired up when it’s time to play.

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 11, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

  • oops, sorry about the incomplete sentence **

… any of the criticism personally or let it drive him into making a hasty decision.

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 11, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Right?

So, McDaniels was “right” for not getting the guy he really wanted (aka, Matt Cassel)? Remember, McDaniels and Xanders didn’t pull out of that deal. They were beaten out by KC and “settled” on Orton.

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by BigBlueShoe on Dec 12, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you positive that you aren’t a Denver Post columnist in disguise, BBS? You’re doing a damn nice impersonation of one. ; )

"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.

by broncosmontana on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Another challenging opponent

should be a good game.

How is that for a vanilla post?

by MadStork on Dec 11, 2009 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Not vanilla enough.

Challenging is much too descriptive of a word.

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by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

There ya go!

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.

by Cassieper on Dec 11, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent

Uh, no, I mean… that was a comment.

If I had a better handle on the emoticons, I’d insert one with a straight-line mouth and caption it “Have a day.”

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by Bobman on Dec 12, 2009 3:42 AM EST up reply actions  

There's no doubt in my mind we're gonna beat the Broncos.

I just wish I could be there. Kyle Orton, you’re going down.

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by Indy Lori on Dec 12, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

Future HOF Players in this game

Quite a headcount for a single game….

Certain – Manning
Probable – Wayne, Bailey, Dawkins
Possible – Freeny, Clark

An impressive group. Would love to put Clady and Moreno in there but they do not have the body of work yet.

by LAbroncfan on Dec 12, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions  

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