How Would Reggie Bush Look In A Colts Uniform?
by KingRichard on Dec 2, 2009 6:14 AM EST
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As if you weren't aware, the Saints beat down the Patriots Monday night without Reggie Bush. But what does that really say? Is Reggie Bush extremely overrated, or are the Saints just that good on offense that missing a dynamic player like Reggie Bush wouldn't cripple them?
I think it's the latter, and how could you argue with that? The same could be said about the Colts on both offense and defense. Don't believe me? Just look at the injury report.
Reggie Bush is due to make $8 million next season. That's a huge jump from his current $2.585 million he's making this year. And according to some sources, Reggie Bush's days in New Orleans may be coming to an end.
Obviously Florio's comments are just speculation, but I don't think anyone would argue that $8 million is way too much for Reggie Bush to be making next season. So what happens if he gets cut? Should the Colts take a gander at him? I think so.
There are quite a few roles Reggie Bush could assume if he were to become a Colt. Everyone knows Reggie Bush out in space = deadly (youtube him if you have to), and the Colts' need for a dynamic returner for both kickoff and punts is nearing the point of desperation. Would Reggie fulfill this need? Yes, yes he would.
Reggie could also have an impact on offense as well. He's clearly a better receiving threat than a prototypical running back. For Reggie to thrive in an offense, you need some prolific receivers to take some of the heat off of him and force the defense to single cover him or play zone, which works right into his strength.
Reggie Bush could be the Colts' Percy Harvin basically. Think about it.
Thoughts?
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he will be too expensive.
We’ll be better off spending the money on depth so that we can continue to handle injuries.
Yeah, this is true. What's the cap space Indy has?
And would Bush be willing to play for whatever the Colts could offer him? While I admit that the idea is intriguing – the idea of Bush displacing Simpson at kickoff/punt returns can make one salivate like a Pavlovian dog – I don’t know what that would do monetarily to the cap. And I think Bush considers himself a primary feature back (regardless of how he was actually used in New Orleans), so I don’t see him settling for a special teams role or one where he’s not one of the essential, core cogs of the offense.
On top of that, it would be way out of character for this team’s front office to pursue such a high profile free agent for the offensive side of the ball.
But hey, as far as speculation goes, it is intriguing to ponder. I’ll readily admit that.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Yeah, that's possible.
And in fact, it’s likely. I don’t know… part of me thinks there’s going to be a last minute, nearly last second agreement anyway, despite the news that’s coming out. But that’s gut instinct, not knowledge.
Still, though, you still have to measure outlay vs. cost, and even in an uncapped year, is Bush still a good value for the Colts?
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Worth pondering
if nothing else – I think he’s likely not as good as picking up blitzes, etc. but he has more speed than our current RBs and I think of those plays where we need 2 or 3 yards and we run the stretch (why we do that is a topic for another day, I suppose) and Addai gets stuffed at the edge on the line. Maybe Bush with the extra speed would get out there faster. I also think he’d be very valuable in the screen.
With that said, maybe he doesn’t want to come to Indy since it would be difficult to ignore any NCAA investigations….
Oh, I forgot one thing:
How’s his blocking? How well does he pick up blitzes? Again, if a back cannot do that, then he’s a liability in the Colts offense. Why do we think Don Brown is the clear second string when he can hit holes and gain yards just as good if not better than Addai? That’s the obvious question I neglected to voice.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
Why are you comparing him to Addai and Brown when I clearly stated in the article above that he’s a hybrid player, best served as a receiver. I’m sure his blocking skills are subpar, but that’s why we have Addai.
The point in picking up someone like Bush is to exploit mismatches and to get a more weapons on the field in space. You can never have enough dynamic offensive players.
Like I said, think Percy Harvin for the Colts.
Don't take offense. I was thinking from the perspective of where *I* thought he'd fit.
… and less from where you were coming from. To me, picking him up as a receiving back is even less plausible, given the glut of both backs and receivers Indianapolis has. I can see him filling Addai’s outlet pass role, which of course means him subbbing for Addai, but to have him take a receiver’s role would be to replace Collie or Garçon out there. Or Clark. And pondering that is pushing the hypothetical past the breaking point.
On top of that, if they’re going to shop around in free agency, I’d guess that they’d concentrate more on where they have open flaws (like lack of depth in the defensive secondary, or in special teams kick returning) and less where they already have working pieces in play.
But to give you credit for one thing, I do agree with you that it is simply not possible to have too many talented players on a squad. There’s only “damn near perfect” and “even closer than before”. And it’s that that keeps me from dismissing the whole idea out of hand. Normally, I’m of the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” school, but that can be taken too far. And the fact that Bush could improve a certain aspect of an already good game cannot be dismissed immediately. But in spite of that, I still can’t see a good starting role for him on this team outside of kickoff/punt returns because I can’t see him taking snaps away from either Collie or Garçon, even after I take into account his skill level. And you can see my arguments above for why I don’t see him taking snaps away from Addai.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
No prob man.
=)
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
The Colts have a lot of key defensive players to resign
Also, the Colts are never involved in what would be such a high profile acquisition. We build through the draft. Besides, Reggie Bush is overrated and not the type of character the Colts generally seek.
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
he's joe addai with better speed.
thats not a good thing……
by bob-log sandtits on Dec 2, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions
Annnnnd...
your still bashing Joeseph
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
the guy up there
Bob-dong Sandboobies
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
ok couldn't tell it was so far up :)
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 2, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
if you push
the “up” button it will show you who the response is for juust for future reference
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
yes i know but i decided to ask instead of waist my time with that gee :)
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 2, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
of course it would be a good thing
If the colts had a mediocre return game the offense would be that much more efficient…and that is a beautiful thing to think about. we are constantly working with terrible field position because of a terrible return game. I was giddy thinking about macklin or harvin slipping to the bottom part of the draft this past year for the same exact reason. Reggie would put our return game up there with the best in the league. Plus add in his obvious offensive/recieving skills and i think it is very intriguing and would be incredible to see
-plus think of the mind set of an elite athlete who everyone thinks has been a ‘bust’ getting to work with Peyton, Reggie and the boys…tell me he wouldn’t be motivated. I like this idea but yea probably has no chance of happening
like all players
price is the only issue. If he is willing to take a pay cut, sign him up immediately.
let me rephrase that
if he is willing to take the Colts discount special, sign him up immediately
by metal_militia on Dec 2, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
I picked the second choice in the poll,
mostly because I like calling you nuts.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.
I don't see it
The Colts don’t have anything to tempt him. They won’t make him a feature back, they won’t pay him what he wants, and playing for a Super Bowl contender isn’t anything new for him. Some other team will be willing to drive a dump truck full of money up to his house and the Colts just won’t get into that kind of bidding war.
Sure, he would be great as the Colts’ return man. So would Darren Sproles, Devin Hester or the aforementioned Percy Harvin. What else do they all have in common? None of them play for the Colts now and somebody else will always want them more.
"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning
by szquirrel on Dec 2, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I can safely say that ^^ sums up my feelings as well.
None of those guys is on their teams as a returner only (while we’re at it, how about Welker returning punts???) and we don’t really need another body at RB/WR who might be a liability, and an expensive one at that.
Of course maybe if we installed the Wildcat….. ;-)
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
I'd love it
He is a very dynamic player and deadly in open space. For me, he is the perfect solution for our kick/punt returns issues but we’ll see. He’ll want a bunch of money and I doubt the Colts would pay him a bunch.
Besides, we still have to see if he returns with the Saints next year and how they finish this season.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
There are other priorities
Bush would be a great addition to our offense but we have other pressing needs where the dollars spent would generate more bang for the buck. Most pressing is our offensive line. Our most recent high draft picks on the OL are outright busts. Signing a better-than-average left tackle and switching Charley Johnson to the right side would be big. But it would also be expensive as LTs are always in high demand. Our receivers and running backs are already adequate or better… who would we sit to give a lot of playing time to Bush?
i say absolutly NOT on bush
he would be very ineffective for us unless it was soley the retrun game
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
Is everything ok?
In the last two days I’ve seen KingRichard defend Joseph Addai and advocate signing Reggie Bush. I’m kind of scared.
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and also Edge.
i think its ok but i am starting to wonder what is going on
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 2, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I'm split
I didnt really like him as a RB, but in the Colts offense we could use him as a split recever and get him into open space.
But his main role if he cme here would be to be a factor on our return game.
We're out there for 60 minutes. In that 60 minutes you can be gods or you can be smucks. And I want to be a god. How bout you?
by 7_Painter's_First_Fan on Dec 2, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Too much bling for a Colts uniform.
And not enough bang.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
Why not just draft the best speed guy out of a Non-BCS...
…Division in the late 2nd or early 3rd Round? You can get everything that Bush can bring you at that point, and you might get better vision at the LOS.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
If he was cheap, sure add him as a return man, but he's more than likely still going to be overpaid
even if the Saints boot him. He’s a dynamic returnman, slot WR and receiving back. He’s a rich man’s Kevin Faulk.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
yep thats why i say
absolutly NO
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
the redskins will probably break the bank for him
by torontocoltsfan on Dec 2, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
I hope he ends up with the Raiders
I would laugh my ass off
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
by DontHateAddai on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have the real
Kevin Faulk.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.
No No No
Too much money. Not enough production. The illusion in his eyes he’s a featured back. That’s why NO will let him go. That’s why the Colts shouldn’t want him.
All of us know the return game sucks, but there are better (and cheaper) ways to fix it than Reggie Bush. The money in the offseason needs to be spent on Brackett and Bethea, not Bush.
However, for non-football reasons it would be funny to have Kim Kardashian (if she and Bush are still together) here along with Kendra Wilkinson Baskett. All we need are Chelsea Handler and Joel McHale and Indianapolis would be home to the entire E! staff.
The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves.
If we're going to add a returnman/offensive spare part
I’d want Sproles.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
^^this
fast little bastahd…
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 2, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
No so much.
I have to laugh – #1 receiver. Ha!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 2, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
and it's could be totally moot since the Cap could come off and the Colts are all but assured to be a final 8 team because of the bye
The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
so basically the top 4 would only be able to resign there players or sign a player from one of ?the other three teams of the 4
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
yeah
or pick up guys that were cut (which Bush would fall into so the rules apply more to my suggestion of Sproles than KR’s of Bush)
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 2, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think..
..Irsay would outbid an owner like Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones in an uncapped year? We all know Dallas will choke and Jerry will want to excite the fan base
Saints fan/Big Reggie Fan here
Caught this on my Reggie RSS feed. Here’s my 2 cents:
1. Bush is a dynamite back but due to injuries and his 10 carries a game career average, he hasn’t been able to live up to the hype. No back would with those amount of carries per game. Any team taking him better know how to use him. When he’s getting 15 carries or more a game he’s balling—sure he has a knee problem but that doesn’t mean he can’t handle the load. That can happen with any position. RB’s in general are always beat up. So I see that argument as a misconception—he’s the same size as Chris Johnson!
2. He’s the best blocking RB the Saints have. That’s what we’ve been discussing on the Saints board.
3. He’s not going anywhere if he’s not going to get any touches. Sure he’s been injured but last year when he started the season he was leading the league in scoring through the first several games. His type of surgery takes an actual year to fully heal.
4. Highly doubt he’ll in up with Colts if he does leave. His name still brings a high salary, despite what people may feel about his stats matching up to the hype. I see him replacing Faulk, whose like what 33 -ears-old or something.
Don't worry I got your back cuz...
for free?!?!
Awww thanks!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
agree with a lot of comments
Could care less about having him anywhere on the RB or WR depth charts, but would LOVE to see him returning all kicks.
Why would we carry 2 1st round RBs
a HoF-caliber reciever, a 1st rounder with all the skills to be elite, two burgeoning recievers and the best TE to ever wear a horseshoe and then blow a couple million on a tweener?
I’d much rather we blow that money on an elite LT.
Tell you what
When we play you in the Super Bowl, you can audition him up close and personal. If you like what you see, make an offer to Mickey Loomis. Wait until April, to give him a chance to quit adoring his ring.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
You're right
They might not be there.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
And I guess
The Saints are just an automatic huh?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Naaah
But poking a tiger can be fun sometimes.
But wouldn’t it be great? Especially if we were both unbeaten?
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
it would
but I doubt the Colts go undefeated. thats not their focus. As soon as the number 1 seed is wrapped up they will rest players, which could be as early as Sunday
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
I don't think we can clinch the #1 seed Sunday.
I think we can only clinch a bye, and we need a lot of help for that, IIRC.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: What should you do if a hot dog vendor gives you a free hot dog? Why, throw it on the ground, of course.
IIRC
that strategy has backfired on them in the past. There’s a lot to be said for going into the playoffs hot, with momentum.
Super Bowl 44: "If you play in this league and it's not your goal, there's something wrong with you." -- Marques Colston
If we win
and all other AFC division leaders loose we will I believe. But that’s a long shot
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
yeah i think the titans might actually give yall a loss...or yall barely get by them
but then again yall have been just getting by for weeks now. I wouldn’t mind seeing two undefeated teams in the SB though. Brees vs. Manning—nice!
Don't worry I got your back cuz...
The best part of that would be
Whoever won, those smug undefeated Dolphins from the 70s would finally have to shut up about their undefeated season.
It won’t happen, though – we all know weeks 16 and 17 are the Season of Sorgi.
by eltharion_doa on Dec 2, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Thats
2 reply FAILS in a row…congrats
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Eww... dude...
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
She can buddy up with Kendra!
Provided poor Hank doesn’t get released… :-(
;-)
Actually, in all seriousness, I don’t think she’d have to come here even occasionally. How many players do we know that don’t actually live in Indy year ‘round? Edge didn’t, I don’t think. And I think Dallas heads back to Iowa in the off season, does he not? So I don’t think Bush would feel the need to openly move here, he’d just rent a place and go back and forth to wherever he wanted to when he could. I don’t think Kendra feels any need to move to Indy just because Baskett’s playing here, and I have no idea if they’ve even moved from where they live now since he’s been released. Mobility is easy in the US if you have enough money for routine travel.
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"How can a pickup truck contain enough mass to unfold into a towering machine? I say if Ringling Brothers can get 15 clowns into a Volkswagen, anything is possible."
I have no clue what your talking about
because you obviously don’t know how to use the reply button.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
hows this...
don’t get so bent out of shape, just fellow fan of an undefeated team here. On edge much?
Don't worry I got your back cuz...
I'd rather cut off my own balls
Eugh.
Bush is exactly the sort of player the Redskins sign, not the Colts.
No Way We Sign Him
Absolutely no way we sign him. $8 million a year is ridiculous for Reggie Bush and we do not need him, we have Addai and Brown. There are a lot better things we could do with $8 million.
Hey Saints fan here,
You guys honestly do not want him, after a efw games of seeing him run backwards on returns and being so gunshy you will not wonder why N.O. wants to rid themselves of him. Yes true he can make some nice plays, his downside is just to great to wait for those nice plays to come out.
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