Welcome to Week Fifteen, the week Peyton Manning locked up his 4th NFL MVP
by Brad Wells on Dec 20, 2009 10:14 AM EST
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PrintThe race for the 2009 NFL MVP is over. Finished. Done.
Heading into Week Fifteen, only two people were considered legit candidates for the award, and their names were not Chris Johnson or Brett Favre. While both those players are having stellar years (Johnson is the Offensive Player of the Year, for me), they are not vital cogs on teams that were undefeated heading into the week. Players who fit that bill were Peyton Manning of the Colts and Drew Brees of the Saints.
And wouldn't you know it! Both Manning and Brees were slated to play in primetime games on Thursday and Saturday night (respectively) against teams who were desperate to make the playoffs.
For the Colts, the game against the Jaguars Thursday night "meant nothing." The #1 seed in the AFC playoffs belongs to the Colts, having clinched it the week before in a tough, brutal game against the Broncos. For the Saints, homefield is still up for grabs, making their contest with the Cowboys a vital match-up even if the Saints weren't undefeated going into the game.
Because of the stakes, and because both players had essentially the same stats going in, how both men performed on Thursday and Saturday night was going to go a long way to determining who would win the NFL MVP. Here's how it all went down:
On Thursday night, playing on the road against a tough division opponent with little defensive help until the 4th quarter, Peyton Manning racked up a 134.4 QB rating for the game, throwing for 308 yards, 4 TDs, and completing 76% of his passes, including a 65 yard TD to win the game with 5:05 left. Once again, the game was "meaningless." The Jaguars absolutely had to win, at home no less, to keep their playoff hopes alive. The Colts already had their playoff seeding set, and were simply playing for pride. Under these circumstances, Manning was still dominant. The win gave Indy their 23rd straight regular season victory, and pushed their record to 14-0. Only two other team in NFL history have reached 14-0: The 1972 Dolphins and the 2007 Patriots.
How did Drew Brees and the Saints respond?
On Saturday night, at home against a Cowboys team that has been positively dreadful in the month of December pretty much since Troy Aikman retired from playing football, Drew Brees accounted for more Saints turnovers than touchdowns. He threw for 298 yards, completed 64% of his passes, but he was unable to get the Saints into the endzone until the 4th quarter. By then, the Cowboys were up 24-3, spending much of the game grinding the Saints on the ground (145 yards rushing, 2 TDs) and blasting them through the air (294 yards for Tony Romo, no turnovers). Brees threw for one TD but also tossed one INT and had two very key fumbles; the last of which on the Saints final drive. The result was a Cowboys victory, knocking the Saints from the ranks of the unbeaten.
So, with both QBs dealing with similar circumstances (lack of defense, playoff caliber opponent, primetime game) Manning shined while Brees wilted somewhat. Factor in that Manning had to play brilliantly on the road while Brees had three turnovers and only one TD at home, and yeah... this MVP race is over.
With Brees' fumble with 6 seconds left, Peyton Manning has locked up his 4th MVP, which is an NFL record I might add. Anyone who suggests a different candidate is an idiot and should be dismissed.
Seriously. The argument against Manning now falls into the land of the absurd, otherwise known as Skip Bayless.
Manning has met every possible measure one uses to evaluate an NFL. In fact, not only has he met the measurements, he has exceeded them. He also happens to be the QB for a 14-0 team riding a 23 game winning streak. So, when you hear morons at ESPN plea for Chris Johnson, or idiots at NFL Network trumpet Philip Rivers (um, WHAT?), simply dismiss said pundits as idiots and change the channel.
#18 has locked up his 4th MVP, and any suggestion or argument to the contrary is just the wasted breath of a clueless blowhard who like to hear himself talk. This may come off as harsh from me, but if there is one thing I absolutely cannot stand is when people move the goal posts in order to short change someone who has exceeded expectations. And the silly counter-argument that "They could give it to Peyton every year" also has no merit. Peyton Manning teams are not 14-0 "every year," and if someone has played better than Peyton, and has their team primed for the playoffs, SHOW HIM TO ME!
Since I know no one has outplayed Peyton in the 2009 regular season, kindly allow me to enjoy Peyton winning another award while, at the same time, making NFL history. I grew up watching schmucks like Jeff George and Jack Trudeau play QB for my team. So, when I see greatness, especially Colts greatness, I want it appreciated to its full and complete extent.
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if my team were down 21 points the in 4th quarter......
peyton would be the only qb i would chose to lead the comeback
eff you we winning anyway
McNabb
Would Peyton have converted 4th and 26 to First Down Freddy?
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yea but that was lucky dude
peyton could’ve done that
mcnabb is good but not as good as peyton
eff you we winning anyway
Agree with the assumption
Totally disagree with the tone – is it STILL necessary to call people who see things differently idiots?
Besides, anything can still happen… nothing is over until it’s over. Any Colts follower knows that. While I think Manning certainly deserves it, I could see voters going a different direction because they don’t want him to get a 4th.
Give the attitude a rest, BBS, PLEASE!
How can you not love a team that does this?
by LovinBlue on Dec 20, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions 13 recs
Yes, it is
After the Saints game, NFL Network was trumpeting Rivers for MVP. It is absolutely essential for the good of the universe to call those people idiots.
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Also
If voters don’t give Manning the award because they want to go in “a different direction because they don’t want him to get a 4th,” that type of voting is completely and utterly unacceptable and cheapens the MVP award. Such voters should have their rights stripped from them… AND called idiots.
BTW, I love how you are accepting of people voting against Manning because they hate him, but are upset with me for calling said people idiots.
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I don't accept people voting against Manning because they hate him
but as I’ve said before, there are much more intelligent and persuasive ways to argue our (yes, I share your belief that he should be MVP) position
How can you not love a team that does this?
Phillip Rivers
Phillip Rivers is a bona fide NFL QB. Just because he always knocks the Colts out of the playoffs doesn’t make him a bad QB. In fact, that makes him an even better quarterback. Feel free to let your emotions go when watching the game, but when evaluating players, stay objective. It lends credibility to your position.
Also: avoid hyperbole when trying to make a serious point, it just makes you sound like a 4th grader. (note this is not hyperbole because it’s true)
I agree that they're idiots...
Especially Deion, who would sit there and try to make a serious argument for Addai over Manning if all his other choices were eliminated.
And I don’t have a problem with your tone, because that would make me a hypocrite. I call everybody idiots. And I’m right to.
What I don’t like is that it has become your only argument style. We could make a mad libs or form letter for a typical BBS argument at this point. "[Peyton is the MVP / the Colts are the best / Caldwell is good], and anyone who doesn’t agree [is an idiot / is stupid / should be disregarded on all matters / mean you can change the channel / has no idea what they’re talking about ] . More than anything, I just think you’re being kind of lazy and unprofessional. I wouldn’t care about the 2nd part except you’re actually a professional, and this site gets a ton of hits and represents all Colts fans voices, for better or for worse. And it’s just getting old. It really is just like reading the same thing over and over. You used that technique at least twice in this article and fairly often in the past week or so too.
The best way to convince idiots that they’re stupid isn’t to insult them. It’s fun, but I think the main articles should be more even-handed and professional. Plus, you can make someone look awfully stupid by presenting the facts in a dominant argument without ever changing your tone. In many cases, the calm response ends up making them look even stupider.
Also, it’s still too early for this kind of article. It should be saved for if/when idiot voters rationalize giving it to someone else. Besides the fact that it feels too defensive for no reason, there are still two games to be played, playoff seeds to be won, and there’s a lot that can happen. Here’s the biggest problem: If the Jets beat the Colts next week, much of the argument falls apart. In this (unlikely) event, the following happens:
- The Colts aren’t unbeaten anymore (remember, this is a large part of your argument against Brees now)
- The Jets will have won with defense (since their O isn’t any threat to us)
- As such, Peyton doesn’t have a dominant stat line, possibly even has turnovers (also part of your argument against Brees)
- Peyton doesn’t play in Buffalo
We’d still vote for Peyton, of course, but I don’t think he’d get very many votes if this unfolded.
It certainly helped that people got a nice national comparison between the two QBs, but there are still two weeks left.
by willyduer on Dec 20, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree about the tone
Blogging doesn’t have to be yelling. If you have the facts on your side you don’t need the attitude.
It is still perfectly reasonable for people to have Drew Brees as MVP. Did Manning help his case more so than Brees this week? Absolutely. Taking the season as a though, whole it is still very close.
by TheNoodleMan on Dec 20, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Explain how it is reasonable
Explain how Brees for MVP is still reasonable. He just laid a fat egg on primetime TV, and he was outplayed by Peyton Manning.
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Because those voters aren’t super homers like you.
Because there’s still two more weeks in the season.
Because Peyton hasn’t really played that great this season, just moreso in the clutch.
Because the Saints are the “better story.” The Colts have basicallt been here before.
Because Brees would play insane these next two weeks and Manning could play like shit or be benched and the last thing those people will have in their memories is Brees throwing for a ton of yards and tds.
While I agree that Peyton did a lot to lock up the award considering his pathetic last few games, but you’d have to be one blind super homer to believe that the race is over.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Voters
Homerism has nothing to do with this. Show me another player who has played better than Manning and has his team primed for the playoffs.
OK, in two weeks will Brees overtake Manning even though Manning outplayed him in primetime? No.
OK, that’s about as stupid as it gets. If Manning hasn’t “played well,” then all other QBs in this league have played like bums.
Better story is irrelevant. This is about picking the best player, not the best story.
The last memory the national media (who votes on this stuff) will have of Brees is him fumbling with 6 seconds left. National media will not watch Saints last two games.
The race is over. And calling his last two games “pathetic” boarders on the delusional. 8 TDs and 4 INTs, three off tipped balls.
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Re:Saints have a better story
Personally, I always thought that the year the Saints went to the NFCCG after Katrina was a better story than this one. I know New Orleans is still recovering and is struggling even more, but so is most of the country. Katrina was a natural disaster that no one saw coming. It destroyed a city, and for a team to be one win away from reaching the Super Bowl a year later is way better than the possibility of going undefeated.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Were the saints really a dark horse?
I was expecting them to be pretty good actually, no one really anticipated Atlanta collapsing but certainly they were a wild card team at minimum.
Also, if Chris Johnson somehow breaks Eric Dickerson’s record, how could you NOT vote for him? He would totally deserve it then.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Offensive Player of the Year?
Yes. MVP? No
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Explain.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
That logic doesn't make sense
If someone is the best offensive player, the only reason they SHOULDN’T get MVP is if the MVP is a defender.
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I disagree
Take Johnson away from the Titans and they’re still not a playoff team. Take Peyton or Brees away and have their back-ups playing, neither team wins more than 8 games. There’s the valuable part.
Now, CJ gets 2000 yards rushing, which doesn’t happen very often, it’s a monster year stat wise for him. Peyton’s having a damn good year, but not near record breaking. So, CJ’s better with the stats but Peyton’s more valuable.
by The Walking Eye on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
i agree with you
is the Ws that your team cant get without you the ones that should give you the MVP. you can break all the individual records but if those didnt translate to W’s it didnt helped your team.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't help the team?
Without Johnson, the Tttans might have won twice all season.
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OK
And with him they will still miss the playoffs.
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How is that his fault?
His TEAM sucks balls!
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Its the same team
that went 12-0 last year. How could they possibly suck?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
The defense was a major flash in the pan
Without the Headstomper on the DL, it virtually made Vanden Bosch useless, and when the DL is useless, usually the rest of the D follows. It exposed Bulluck as being aged, and the secondary had no help and had injury problems.
The offense, sans Johnson, always sucked. The defense just carried them last year.
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there is no value in a L
if your individual play making gets the W thats value. If not it wasnt enough your team needed more than you and one more thing the titans started wining when VY started playing CJ was in there while losing
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I just do not see
the MVP going to anyone other than a QB. Johnson has been amazing this year. He has taken the title of the Leagues best back from Adrian Peterson. He has turned his team around from the 0-6 start. But they also turned around because the team rallied around Young. They all just seem to play better when Young took over. The young receivers stepped up. And everyone just seemed to start playing as a team. Before Young, the Titans didn’t seem to want to play football.
Its kind of similar with Manning, in that he makes everyone he plays with better, but he is working with a run game that, only of late, has started to look decent. Manning lost his number 2 receiver in week one and had to make due with a rookie and a second year guy who is basically playing his rookie season. He has a defense that has been plagued with injuries and depth issues, yet despite all that he still continues to find ways to win. All these 4th quarter comebacks, while somewhat disappointing, are equally amazing.
I just don’t see how anyone else can get MVP. Call me a homer, but I just don’t see it.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Think about to the 2005 season when Shaun Alexander broke Priest Holmes’ the single season touchdown record and a slew of other ones. He won the MVP. And the very next season when Tomlinson broke that same exact record and a few others. He was voted the MVP. We’re talking about a record that stood for no more than 3 years, not counting all of the other records that were set in that season by those guys and they both won the MVP.
Now, with Chris Johnson, he’s on pace to break the single season yards record which has stood for TWENTY FIVE YEARS. What does that tell you? It tells you that this record is special. And the player who breaks this record deserves strong consideration for the league’s most prestigious award.
And as I’ve said a million times before, these voters don’t care about stuff like “well it’s Peyton Manning so he wins by default!” They vote based on the best story. Whoever gives them the best story is who will win their vote. Chris Johnson is a great story. He’s proving to be a phenomenal running back in only his second season in the league. He was the guy who showed up week in and out during their winless streak, and despite what you say about Vince Young, Chris Johnson is the reason they’ve won any games this season. The highlights and stats will tell you that.
I just find it insanely absurd that you could sit there and try to justify that Peyton deserves everything. I love Peyton and think he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. But for the love of god, please pull your head out of his ass and get a whiff of reality please.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
He hasn't broken it yet
and I’d bet even money that he won’t, he’s behind the pace already for the last quarter of the season. Plus, and this isn’t an insignificant point, he’s doing it on a team that’s gonna miss the playoffs.
Both Alexander and Tomlinson were on MUCH better teams. They won their division and
were the top team in their conference that year.
Not so with Johnson.
Yes, let’s punish a guy for something he has no control over. That makes total fucking sense right?
YOUR TEAM SUCKS CHRIS JOHNSON SO EVEN IF YOU DO BREAK THE RUSHING RECORD YOU’RE STILL NOT GETTING THE MVP. AH HAHAHAHA!
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, if his breaking the record doesn't help his team win many games, it's not very
valuable. It’s like Drew Brees last year. He could’ve broke Marino’s record that has stood for just as many years, but his team was 8-8. Him throwing all those yards didn’t help his team win very much.
Frankly the TD record is better b/c you’re scoring points that helps your team win.
That’s what the offensive player of the year award is for. For being amazing on offense. He’s no the most valuable player in the NFL.
It’s not MOST AMAZING PLAYER. That is how it works. I was just telling you why Alexander and Tomlinson won the award. Their record breaking years led to their teams being the best team in their respective conferences. Chris Johnson’s record breaking year (if it happens) has not helped his team achieve anything more than third place in the division.
Rushing record
It means nothing if you don’t make the playoffs. Basically, the message sent is you padded a bunch of yards, but it wasn’t enough to help your team win. Also, Johnson’s team lost twice to Peyton Manning and the Colts, and in both games Johnson did not play well.
So, again, I ask you to provide a better candidate. CJ is not getting the MVP.
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I dont believe Peyton deserves everything
but what was the story line all through the lead up to the season this year? It was the Colts window has closed and this year they will miss the playoffs and Manning is loosing it, blah blah fucking blah. And what happened? Manning came out and played his ass off and is having arguably his best season. The Colts “closed window” has landed them at 14-0, only the 3rd team to do so. My head isn’t any where near my ass. I just see it like it is. Chris Johnson is a damn good football player and I’m not taking that away from him, but if he was so “Valuable” then why will his team be sitting home this year for the playoffs?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
And again
Al these wonderful yards and stats… and Johnson will not make the playoffs.
No MVP picked has ever missed the post-season. Ever. Johnson is out.
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Titans were 0-6 with CJ
it was the VY threat that opened thing up for CJ and helpe the titans start winning games ,so a Good QB was more valuable to this titans than CJ, because with out a good QB they were not winning.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
If the Colts go 16-0 he will win MVP.
They won’t give the MVP to a running back on a mediocre team just b/c he has great stats. If they use that logic, then Brees would’ve won last year. That’s why he’ll win Offensive Player of the Year as Brees did 2008.
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
by P0RKINS2 on Dec 20, 2009 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what about the
23 straight? Thats a record thats never been done before
by sandtiger812 on Dec 21, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Johnson
Because his team isn’t making the playoffs. The MVP must make the playoffs. If his play were so “valuable,” they’d be a contender. Since they aren’t, he is not an MVP.
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this is the key right here
If the Titans make the playoffs AND Johnson breaks the record, then he has a chance.
Otherwise, it will still be between Manning, Brees, and Favre with Manning in the lead right now.
Absolutely
However, the Titans has a very slim shot. Like 15% slim. With Baltimore, Miami, and the NY Jets ahead of them, they won’t make it.
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It's his fault his teammates suck?
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I would argue that
Vince Young is more valuable to the Titans than Johnson because they didn’t start winning until he was re-instated as a starter.
However, Johnson is going to likely win the OPOY award. Just not MVP>
MVP
No MVP in the history of the modern NFL (post-merger) has ever missed the playoffs. Getting into the post-season is a pre-req for getting the MVP.
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I realize this
I disagree with this. Tremendous players in my opinion shouldn’t be punished if they do not have good teammates around them.
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That is why there is an offensive player of the year award
for when there is a great player but his value hasn’t resulted in team success.
If what you're arguing...
is that Johnson WON’T get the MVP, you’re 100% correct.
If you keep repeating the same thing about the playoffs because you truly believe that a player is not valuable at all unless his team makes the playoffs, that’s ridiculous.
Johnson has been as valuable as anyone else in the league. Without him, that team’s only offensive weapon is Vince Young, who even with Johnson taking up all the attention from Ds, has been mediocre.
I’m not saying he is the MVP. I believe Peyton is. But you seem to be implying more than just that Johnson won’t win it; you seem to be saying he doesn’t deserve it. Iin the absence of a truly dominant player on a playoff team (which is certainly uncommon), a guy like Johnson would deserve consideration. Hell, if not for Peyton, I’d have a hard time arguing against Johnson. He’s quite valuable.
Put it this way. Suppose the 2008 Colts lost Freeney, had no pass rush, went 11-5, and lost out on the tiebreaker and didn’t make the playoffs. Was Peyton no longer valuable?
In that scenario, they’d have given the award to Kurt Warner (from the 8-8 team that only got to the playoffs by sucking the least) or Chad Pennington (who was simply adequate on a power running team with a historically easy schedule), which is preposterous, and you’d have been writing articles on here about how stupid the voting process is.
Just saying. There’s a difference between “won’t” – which I think we all agree with – and “absolutely under no circumstances does a player from a non-playoff team deserve it.” Maybe you’re just saying the same thing over and over because you’re in an arguing mood, but it seems like you’re actually saying Johnson isn’t extremely valuable. Which is false.
He’s just not more valuable than Peyton.
False
Football is a team sport. Emphasis on team. If you have one phenomenal player, Chris Johnson, and a bunch of other players who are fairly mediocre/subaverage, Tennessee Titans, then of course your team will miss the playoffs. If you took Peyton Manning and put him in… say Oakland or any other team with an awful offensive line and receivers, then there’s a good chance his team would miss the playoffs as well. Don’t disqualify Chris Johnson just because the Titans are awful
ZERO
None. Never happened.
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Never happened
First time for everything….
Well, it won't happen this year either
I am sure Johnson will get a couple votes, but the award will go to a QB when there are 3 outstanding QB candidates. If the rest of the field wasn’t strong, then Johnson would have a better chance.
CJ will help Peyton win the MVP
I think he will steal some votes from Brees and Farvre
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Splitting the "anti-Manning" ticket
Very possible.
Holy hell what a horrible logic.
The MVP is not a goddamn team award BBS, it’s an individual achievement award. The whole point in the MVP award is to award the BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE THAT SEASON with the highest achievement you can obtain. The title of the award itself is extremely misleading which allows illogical people like you to sway votes how you see fit.
We’re talking about a guy who is on pace to break a 25 year old record, DESPITE BEING ON A BAD TEAM. How does this not register in your brain that this guy is really fucking good? If anything, it strengthens the argument that Chris Johnson should be the MVP because of what he’s done with that team this season.
But even so, no one around here with a properly fuctioning brain is going to say that the Titans are a “bad” team, despite their record. This is the same team that went 13-3 last season and had the #1 seed in the playoffs. They just had a bad season, it happens.
This whole “well he’s not on a playoff caliber team” is a complete crock of shit and you are making yourself out to be the biggest hypocrite in the world for not putting Chris Johnson into consideration for this award.
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by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Running backs are not very valuable
Remember that game where CJ went for three bills and three TDs and they LOST?
That’s not value. It’s a tremendous individual achievement, which is what the OPOY is for.
Running Backs are valuable
That’s not necessarily his fault. If his team was competent at all, then most likely they would’ve won the game. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Kerry Collins was starting that game? And if you look at the Titans as a team, they could very well have gone 0-16 if not for Chris Johnson. That’s value right there.
The V stands for valuable
Someone might be the best at their position but not valuable if their team isn’t winning. BBS is not being outrageous in saying that Johnson isn’t likely to win the MVP if the Titans don’t make the playoffs. Do MVP’s ever come from losing teams? Nope.
Definition of Value
If the Titans didn’t have Chris Johnson, then they would probably be a 1-15 or 2-14 team. Instead they have a chance to finish 9-7 or 8-8. That’s a valuable player
They started winning when Young was put back in as a starter
It could be argued he was actually more valuable to the Titans success.
KingRichard
I’ll say it again: NO NFL MVP has ever not made the playoffs. Never. Ever. And it ain’t happening this year. If the player is “Valuable,” he would help his team get to the post-season.
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I've been mostly on the sidelines because a lot of this is subjective and has people using differing criteria for the award
but making the playoffs literally adds value. Teams make more money from making the playoffs.
There’s an objective backing for the making the playoffs criteria.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
You keep grasping that straw bud.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 20, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
Grasping at straws
We’re talking about the case Peyton has to make on the award RIGHT NOW. You’re talking about the case CJ MIGHT possibly make MAYBE at some point in the future but probably not. Let’s wait to see if he DOES break the record and then talk, K?
especially since CJ needs 160 yards per game over the last 3 to break the record
35YPG over his season to date average.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Do you mean 135 YPG?
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no, i meant that his average so far is 125YPG, and he needs to average 35 yards more than that
to break the record
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, as I said before
going into the last quarter he needed 125 ypg to break it and he’s already behind it. After a long, hard season and with Ds keying on him, I doubt we’re going to see him go off like he did before with 200 yard games. He’ll be good and effective, but I really don’t see the record getting broken.
On the other hand, the Titans are still nominally alive for the playoffs so he’ll be getting for-real carries.
LIES!
1949, 1950, 1953 No Selection won the MVP! No Selection’s team didn’t make the playoffs!
1953 – Joe Perry, FB SF.
1960 – Joe Schmidt, LB – Detroit
1960 – Abner Haynes, HB – Dallas Texans
1962 – Cookie Gilchrist, FB – Buffalo
1965 – Pete Retzlaff, TE- Philly
Heck, in 1963 the Browns didn’t make the playoffs and Jim Brown won it! I’m playing about most of the ones in the 60s, they didn’t have playoffs.
Anyway, post-merger players whose team didn’t make the playoffs:
1973 – O.J. Simpson – Buffalo Bills finish 9-5
1990 – Randal Cunningham – Eagles finish 10-6 (PFWA)
Not a huge sample, but there have been winners of the MVP post merger whose team didn’t make the playoffs. Several wildcard teams had a player that won it. But Dickerson didn’t win it when he set the record, Marino did. BBS is right too you know. They could’ve given the MVP to Barry Sanders every year, but he only got it (well split it) when they made the playoffs. Not saying I agree with it, but with so many amazing athletes, you’re going to have about 5 or so that could be in the running, and 4 out of 5 on playoff teams. So it pretty much is a requirement.
Besides, Steven Jackson and Calvin Johnson are two beasts on sucky teams. They’ll never win it unless they make the playoffs. Steven Jackson is a better RB than Peterson or Johnson anyway. That’s right, I said it.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
it isn't the week 15 MVP award
Explain how Brees for MVP is still reasonable. He just laid a fat egg on primetime TV, and he was outplayed by Peyton Manning.
Its a season long award. Step back and look at the big picture:
QB A: 365 /532 68.6% 4,213yds 7.9ypa 300.9ypg 33td 15int 101.2 rating
QB B: 331/477 69.4% 4,130yds 8.7ypa 295.0ypg 33td 11int 109.4 rating
looks pretty damn close to me.
by TheNoodleMan on Dec 20, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
gotta include fumbles and team record (only because the colts are undefeated)
either way, i agree with the logic. it’s very cose.
OK, stats are close
So, how do we measure them up?
We see how they went “head-to-head” in primetime this weekend, where all voters are likely to make their decisions. Manning played great. Brees played like a bum.
Thus, Manning won.
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If you're going to look at that, then look at head to head primetime New England games as well
Brees was beyond perfect in that game. People remember it. And it’s a better comparison since it’s a team both the colts and the Saints played.
It’s just silly that you’re comparing games from one week just because they both happen to be primetime.
Manning is clearly the MVP for me as well, but you can’t just be arbitrary about it. Biggest difference is Peyton’s team is perfect and Brees’s team isn’t.
"But you can’t just be arbitrary about it"
Sure I can. It’s over. The Thursday and Saturday games were billed as Manning v. Brees in the eyes of many media types. I’m not making that up, folks. This was both players’ chances to “shine” in the spotlight. No one cares what they did three or four weeks ago. People wanted to see what two “even” candidates would do in primetime.
Manning shined. Brees wilted. MVP = Manning
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any idiot should know COLTS vs PATS would be a closer matchup...
regardless of their records. They know each other so well that they might as well be on the same division.
People waited until after the Texas/Nebraska game to vote
for the Heisman, and despite Suh DESTROYING McCoy, Colt still got more votes.
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by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
The Heisman is the biggest joke in sports other than the BCS anyway
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That's beside the point.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
fumbles are a bigger stat than INT
While both can be return for TD, fumbles usually gives an opposing offense a shorter distance to score on.
Also agree about the tone
I’ve pretty much had it with BBS. It’s an embarrassment to colts fans. For the love of God, tone it down!
by jaredtaskin1 on Dec 20, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Im a Colts fan
and I don’t find it embarrassing at all. He calls bullshit when he sees it. Nothing wrong with that. If your embarrassed by it, fine, but don’t try to speak for all Colts fans.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks
Fans who have issues with an aggressive tone just don’t like it when things are called out. There is nothing wrong with calling things as there are.
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BBS, your tone doesn't bother me
I’m used to agressive lunatics ;-)
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
by KMR24 on Dec 20, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
For this
I recc u good sir!
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Good Miss*
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Dammit
Sorry, ma’am.
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Agreed 1000% This schtick makes you look like a Skip Bayless type.
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by MrNFL on Dec 20, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Skip Bayless
He’s a paid hack who does not believe what he says. He simply says it to insight people.
I believe what I wrote, and unlike Bayless, my claims are backed up.
Don’t like it? Read another blog or start your own.
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I know it was only a typo
but you used a pronoun referring to Skip Bayless, and the word “insight” in the same sentence. That’s just wrong
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
So your OPINION makes you able to call anyone who disagrees an idiot?
Ok Glenn Beck, whatever.
Besides, I’m here for the community. If this community didn’t exist I wouldn’t go anywhere near this blog.
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by MrNFL on Dec 20, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
boo politics
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Is "Boo Politics" like "Scare Tactics"?
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— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
If big media’s disagreeing opinion is moronic and not based on reality or logic, I can call them idiot, among other things. Their people are paid more money than you will ever see in your life, and most of the time their information is flawed and their opinions extremely slanted. Attacking this kind of “news” is what blogs like this one are all about. It’s why we exist.
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There's a difference from calling blatant stupidity and then just saying that anyone that disagres with you is an idiot
Especially when many subjects, like this, is an OPINION. You give some reasons why you believe your OPINION is correct, but saying “Oh, and if you disagree, you are a complete jackass!” makes you look like a 3rd grader.
I feel like I’m watching those election day TV ads. They don’t say, “Here’s how I am good” they say “Here’s why everyone else is stupid” It’s just sad.
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There's nothing wrong with being loud and opinionated
Rush and Beck are only shmucks because they’re often wrong about issues that matter. This is sports, except for the W-L record, EVERYTHING is opinions. Power Rankings, Pro Bowl, even the MVP.
There's a difference between loud and belligerent
You can passionately feel a certain way without name calling.
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But that's not as fun.
Look, we’re not curing cancer here. Name calling and belligerence can be cathartic and entertaining. Worrying about “tone” strikes me as unwarranted hand-wringing.
BBS is a fiery, unapologetic homer. I wouldn’t ask for anything else in my Colts blog.
Who says Rush and Beck are schmucks and that
they’re often wrong? Is that YOUR opinion?
Beck was invoked in a perjorative way
I was merely taking that claim at face value.
And as much as it goes against my character, I refuse to discuss politics any further. I do that the other 23 1/2 hours of the day.
Politics alert!
Go no farther!
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
I love to talk politics
but not on Stampede Blue. When it’s the Colts, football and ONLY football matters.
Talking about politics on
a sports blog quickly leads to pure hate and hurt feelings.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
we find plenty of reasons to hate eachother just talking sports
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is true.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
I wish it didn't...
I also wish this country wasn’t so bipartisan about everything. It’s all very simplistic and black and white and all that. We as a (somewhat) educated nation should be able to see and understand complexity.
Now sports, it’s perfectly okay being black and white about it. It’s just sports.
Exactly
I fucking hate the patriots. Can I back that up with evidence? Can I prove that all pat fans are Sam Adams-swilling, chowder-eating Red Sox ballboys? Of course not. But I reserve the right to angrily shout it at the TV anyway.
Well...
Can I prove that all pat fans are Sam Adams-swilling, chowder-eating Red Sox ballboys?
I think it’s a safe bet.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
-1 Rec. Can we add this
Bringing politics to the discussion is just FAIL. Try bringing up some facts to back up YOUR opinion since BBS brought the facts with him to back up his hyperbole. Plus, BBS is a FAN….try to remember what that stands for.
BTW, Value means that your individual accomplishments lead to greater team success than would have been possible with you. Team success in this league is summed up as – Division Championships, playoff appearances, Conference Championships, and Super Bowl titles. If your team did not achieve these things, they weren’t successful, so therefore your play wasn’t that valuable.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Where were you
like 30 minutes ago? That whole discussion would’ve been over then with that comment, lol.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Sorry
Slept in. Lazy Bullard is Lazy
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Man, I had to be at work at 5am.
I might just take a nap.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Got a week off starting Wednesday FTW.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
..
I’m not saying Manning wouldn’t deserve it, I’m just saying that one can make a rational argument without just saying “OMG, YOU DISAGREE SO YOU ARE TEH SUCK”
And with this statement
Plus, BBS is a FAN….try to remember what that stands for.
It sounds like you are questioning my fandom, which is just hilarious and sad at the same time.
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Format Fail
Plus, BBS is a FAN….try to remember what that stands for.
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No.
I’m just saying that FAN means fanatic. And sometimes that means taking things to um, extremes. He’s calling people idiots. It’s not like he’s pulling a KSK and asking for them to be impaled by some painfully shaped sex toy or burned in a grease fire. He called them idiots. Well, if you overlook the facts he presented, and are paid to vote for this award(or talk about it), then you may in fact be an idiot. BBS just calls a spade a spade. I don’t see anything wrong with it. And it’s not like this is some new thing from BBS – I know, I’ve been reading this site since about Day 10. Just live with it and enjoy the community and ignore the hyperbole(or learn to appreciate it), or move on.
And please, contribute something to the discussion besides “BBS shouldn’t call people idiots” and “The BCS Sucks”. I’d like to read what you actually think in a positive fashion about something, ANYTHING.
I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation
Obviously you never see what I post in game threads
And at times, BBS’s bashing has been perfectly justified. It’d just be nice for him to actually express an opinion without saying anyone who disagrees is a moron.
And I post many positive things, and have a wide range of positions on the NFL. But you conveniently ignore that I see.
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yeah this right here
“express an opinion without saying anyone who disagrees is a moron.” this is what hurts BBS’s blog posts, or I guess helps them if you think of all the vitriol and arguing that emerges in the comments section.
by torontocoltsfan on Dec 20, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
You can always
call him a moron for calling you a moron.
I couldn't agree more
I was enjoying the article until BBS started calling everyone idiots. Then i stopped reading. Glad to see that other folks are as annoyed as I am with this tired schtick. The more you keep doing this the more you are making yourself look like one of those dismissive schmucks you rail against.
by indy15 on Dec 20, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Think about Audience
Since this is a Colts blog, BBS has the right to rant/rave in any extreme way he sees fit. He’s not going to persuade any of the “idiots” he is disparaging because none of those “idiots” are going to be reading this blog. So instructing him how to carry better ethos in his argument is irrelevant because this is not a persuasive essay — this is a bitch blog. And bitch he should.
by chewylettuce on Dec 20, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Which means BBS can only aim for his anticipated audience. IE Colts fans.
by chewylettuce on Dec 20, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd for the use of the word "ethos" ;-)
I have been a reader of this blog for a couple of years now, and am a bleeding-blue Colts fan. I generally support what BBS and others write, but there are definitely non-Colts readers who come here to see what we have to say. It makes me cringe when we look like bitchers and complainers to the outsiders who drop by… adds fuel to their fire.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Brees proved last night
why he isn’t on Peyton’s level yet. He had about 2:00 left in regulation to march his team down the field to at least to tie the game, but he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. Watching that 2 minute drill of the Saints made me appreciate Peyton even more if that’s even possible. He’s a good to great quarterback, but definitely not an elite quarterback.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
He's on the cusp of being elite
but not yet
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
by P0RKINS2 on Dec 20, 2009 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Two minutes left on the clock of Peyton
is money in the bank. I would never bet against him.
the clock of Peyton was correct
its HIS clock. its all his.
As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.
Morons at NFLN
They’re at it again. Mariucci just called the Colts Defense Average. Does this guy even watch football?
I've come to realization that the media really don't watch all the games
I know it’s hard for them to sit on their asses all day and watch boring football games when they get paid more in a month than some people make in an entire year. Stats like yards allowed per game and time of possession are not how you measure a defense’s success. Points allowed by the defense is the only important stat since a win comes down to how much points you can score. So on paper, the Colts defense probably won’t ever impresses a stats geek, but if those so-called “analysts” actually sat down and watched the Colts’ defense, they’ll see that it’s actually pretty good.
I can’t remember where I read this, maybe on here or another website, but someone said that the Tampa-2 was a head of the curve since it’s emphasizes trying to stop the big play and it doesn’t run a man-to-man coverage so the cornerbacks aren’t being that phsycial with the receivers. That’s why guys like Deion Sanders dislike the Colts; in his eyes, the Colts’ defense is “soft”. He made a career out of being a shutdown cornerback. The last dominating defense to exist in the NFL was probably the 2000 Ravens. You can’t be that physcial anymore since the game is catered to having the offenses to succeed. The last year’s AFCCG was an absolute snooze fest last year compared to the 2006 AFCCG with the Patriots and Colts. The NFL and the younger fans don’t want to see defense dominating, they want offense, and that’s what they’re getting.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
MVP Johnson?
Sanders for NFL network suggested Chris Johnson for MVP, Good Player but his team will miss the playoffs and may lose more than they win. 2000 yards is great but are not wins what matter most, how can he be MVP?
Dion "The Douchebag" Sanders
has been campaigning for Chris Johnson for a while. Point is the award will not go to anyone other than a QB at this point. Chris Johnson is good don’t get me wrong. He has got my vote for Offensive Player of the Year.
Dion is a Colts hater. He has no reason, he just is. And he’s so obvious about it. Anything that is said about the Colts he is sure to have something negative and moronic to say about them. The Colts make huge plays week in and week out, yet if you notice they NEVER seem to make his Top 10 “Lets Go Primetime” plays. Just take anything that douche has to say and disregard it. He’s a moron that got OWNED by Hunter Smith.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 20, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I think he just like the show
its all about prime time for him and not just good plays but show plays , for him its all individual achievements and one on one matchups. He cant stand team play, or an offense that spread the ball around and not just rely on one play maker and hates tampa 2.
Dion thinks this is all about the individual heroics and not the team work and this is why jis opinion is worthless.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Stop!
Don’t call him a “douchebag,” It creates such a “negative tone.”
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Oh, nevermind. Call the washed up schmuck who wouldn’t last 3 snaps in the modern NFL a douchebag all you want.
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Just my two cents, but.......
Anyone who doesn’t vote for Peyton Manning as MVP is either an idiot, blind, or has been burned by the Colts in some way, shape, or form in the past.
I can see the writer for the New Orleans Times Picayune
voting for Brees since he’s most likely a homer.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
I think Peyton will win with a comfortable margin.
The more I hear, the more I’m convinced that the talking heads are doing what they’re paid to do – talking. They’re drumming up interest in the race so they can fill time. Who’s the best story for MVP? It’s not Peyton, who’s already won 3. It’s Brett Favre, coming back from retirement! It’s Chris Johnson, seizing the mantle of best RB in the league! It’s Drew Brees, leading America’s New Team to glory! Or that’s what they’ll try to sell you, anyway… because greatness from a proven great player just isn’t as exciting.
None of them actually believe the MVP should go anywhere else. (Well, maybe Bayless and Sanders… but BBS pretty much nailed them on the head with the “idiot” tag.) They’re just filling time on pregame shows. And that’s why you should ignore pregame shows.
It's difficult to really put into perspective
how dominant the Colts have been over the years. Playoff game issues aside, think about this: every team the Colts play touts the game as the biggest of the year. In fact, it can even turn a city like Jax (blackoutville) into a fully loaded stadium, support-your-team kind of city. Every team is gunning for them and always claims ‘We have to play a perfect game to beat them’ This quote is said week in and week out, year after year. How sad it must be for other teams to look at the schedule each year and see a game or two against the Colts and pretty much know they’re going to be losses? Other teams in the AFC even draft players to specifically counter Peyton Manning and the Colts. This, people, is totally unprecedented. What we are witnessing is the greatness of Peyton Manning (teamed with Bill Polian). Enjoy it, savor it, and remember these years, because the NFL may never see the likes of this again.
I absolutely love Keyshawn Johnson's comment his just made on ESPN
“This is the worst 14-0 team I’ve even seen.”
Let’s just take a moment and absorb this statement :-)
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Well, let me just respond to that.
Keyshawn Johnson is one of the worst receivers I’ve ever seen in my life. I’ve experienced several games in person in Tampa, and it’s amazing how many passes he ‘dropped’. In short, he’s an awful receiver. Besides that, he’s a complete jerk and the people of Tampa couldn’t stand him. So, what he says, doesn’t mean a whole lot.
he is right
only 2 teams has been 14-0 ever and i doubt he saw the 72 dolphins ,so he is comparing the 2009 Colts with the 2007 Patriots.
I know how idiotic his comment sounded, like there has been dozens of 14-0 teams.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!
There’s only 2 other teams to have started a season 14-0, and he only witnessed one two years ago who I felt who really had luck on it’s side.
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What's he right about?
The 2007 Patriots were good, but overrated. The Colts were without two of the top receivers and had the 2007 game in the bag against them after being up by 10 points with 8 minutes to go. Two late TDs gave the Pats a 4 point victory. The Patirots looked very mortal in that game. Also, if the Baltimore coach (Billick) doesn’t call a stupid time-out, Baltimore seals the victory against the 2007 Patriots. The Giants almost beat them at the end of the regular season before beating them in the superbowl. In other words, they had some blow-outs and some close games too. I’ll take the 2009 Colts.
you are underestimating the task that the patriots accomplished in 2007
7if you think this season MSM has been putting pressure on the undefeated, 2007 was worse than this by miles, to be 18-1 with all that pressure , everybody wanted a piece of them is not like that this year Colt has been lucky MSM just hate them ,this has allow the Colts to keep some pressure of their shoulders , i hate the pats ,but that 2007 team was special and its undeniable.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
If any team is under pressure
it’s the Colts. Every opponent they face makes their game against Indy ‘THE GAME OF THE YEAR’. Yes, the Patriots team of 2007 was good and specia….to go undefeatedl, but I still think the 2009 Colts are more special. So, yes, I would still disagree with Keyshawn Johnson, and I feel good about that.
He was born in '72
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by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
1972
I knew there was a reason I liked you. :)
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Thanks.
I do my research.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Shhhh
Don’t call him an idiot KMR24. Some people might get offended.
Sheesh.
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It was such an idiotic comment
that everyone else at ESPN laughed him out of the room.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
A hypothetical
Brees goes out and has monster games the last two weeks of the season.
Peyton goes out and loses to the Jets with an OK to kinda crappy game and then plays sparingly in Buffalo.
Is the award still Peyton’s absolutely no questions asked? Like someone said above, this isn’t an award for weeks 1-15 but a season long award and we’ve got two games to go where some major developments can still take place.
Holy hell is Keyshawn a retard.
by The Walking Eye on Dec 20, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions
both games the saints have left are out of the playoff picture
one is one of the worst teams in NFL. Let me tell you the game that matters was last night against a playoff contender in your house.
Peyton has so many things in his favor like the last game against a desperate team fighting for their season on their house and in a really short week after beating another playoff contender.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Here's the question simplified
Brees got the ball back, down 7 points, with over two minutes. Is there any doubt, AT ALL, that Peyton marches down the field for the win? And what does brees do? Mismanage the clock, make a bunch of bad throws, and get strip-sacked before even smelling the end zone.
But, but, but
Their stats are similar. And Brees has two more games. And Chris Johnson might break Eric Dickerson’s record, but miss the playoffs.
Those two HAVE to have a shot over Manning, right?
Yawn.
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Well, it's been fun
I’m off to Beef O Brady’s…..to check out some of the games. Later.
I never thought about it that way. Thanks a lot.
Those wings may not taste the same now. I may have to go somewhere else.
Go to Buffalo Wild Wings instead.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
In the end, these useless awards mean nothing
Win the freaking Super Bowl. I don’t care how many MVP’s Peyton has, I don’t care who wins some subjective award. Don’t collapse in the playoffs and win the freaking Super Bowl.
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I care
Anytime a player has a chance (and has earned) to break a tremendous NFL record, it should be celebrated and fought for. Manning winning a 4th MVP would set a new standard. No one has ever, EVER done it. Obviously, winning such an award doesn’t mean that people like me or especially Manning are satisfied with the season.
It’s just one more accomplishment, but it is one that has been justly and rightly earned.
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If the MVP is based partially on a player's story
then coltsfan723 is right: Peyton’s story is better than everyone else. Before this season began, the media left the Colts for dead. The team lost it’s future Hall of Fame coach and Wide Receiver. It’s O-line was in shambles and two of the coaches,Moore and Mudd, retired because of pension issues which the media ran with when Peyton spoke out about not knowing what was going in the within the Colts organization. From there on, the media talked about how the Colts were done and they won’t win the division let alone make the playoffs this year.
Now, it’s the third team to ever start a season 14-0. I think I heard Boomer say that 8 of the last 12 teams to be the last undefeated team went to the super bowl. Throw in the fact that Peyton’s doing this with a bunch of 1st year players (Garcon’s real first year). Big P is defnitely in the driver’s seat for the MVP.
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
Swept the division
after they were picked to lose the division. I think five of the last seven teams who swept the division went to the super bowl.
The only reason we’re nervous is the 2005 colts were the last undefeateds and swept the division.
But the 2009 Colts won its 14th consecutive game
unlike the 2005 team. It might make a difference
/crosses fingers
Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!
I'm glad to see everything's quiet around here
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
rec’d
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
It was really active
like 15 minutes ago……….
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
Judging from the pic
I’m guessing he was talking about our…. discussions.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
This is true
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Very true.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
Very very true.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmmmmm..........
Atlanta-Jets or Miami-Titans?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
FIns-Tits
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Open thread?
OK, who are we rooting for today? I’ve gotten so lost in all the potential playoff seedings.
Bills and Bengals for sure
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Open thread?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
if BBS doesn't put one up in the next couple minutes I'll post a quick one
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 20, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
By default,
I root against the Pats and the Chargers.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
Go Bills and, uh do't care about the other early games.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a reason to care about the Stillers game?
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
If the Ravens lose twice in the next three weeks there is!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
With all the cold and snow,
it’s a good thing you’re playing a team not used to it like the…..Packers.
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Crap.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh...
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Scared of the Jets are we?
Don’t make Sanchise show you his pouty face!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
We're gonna have to beat him with second-stringers
so as pouty as possible, please.
Wait, the Colts are playing their second stringers?
After seeing your mixed defense on Thursday, that could spell disaster!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think Rex Ryan ate his second stringers.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eeeewwwwwwwwww.....
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
4 days after the broncos on the road to a team fighting for their life
look what happened to the saints in their home , Jets in our house with 10 days our back up defense will play them better
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
The Jags also only has a few days to prepare.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, grammar FAIL. Typing on a Mac makes me feel dyslexic.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
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Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
They'd better
Keeping Mathis and Freeney on the bench until the 4th is a good call, it keeps them fresh and out of danger, and then when you put them in it puts the opponent on their heals, because they’re not used to the pressure.
we been playing too many playoff contenders
and they say we had a cup cake schedule
by thebossuzzi on Dec 20, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Chargers clinch the 2 seed if they win today
ideally they’d have the 3 seed so that they’d have to play in the first round and couldn’t face the Colts in the 2nd round
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
The Chargers would avoid the Colts if they were the 2-seed, too.
I can’t see them losing to one of the WC teams though, unless Troy returns and the Steelers get super lucky in the next few weeks!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
But we still want them to have to play
one more game instead of a bye.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Finals suck.
And the Stealers make the playoffs.
/fixed
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
I hope that that was another spelling error!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Stampede Blue's Resident Steelers Fan
Ben doesn’t look for hits. They seem to come automatically…
Me, 12/07/09
by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 20, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
That's how the Seahawks spell it.
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
The Colts too
Except we spell it “Vandershank”.
:)
:)
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 20, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
New Topic
If Colts go 16-0, obviously Manning wins his 4rth MVP, but Does Caldwell win Coach of the Year?
"Pressure is something you feel if you don't know what the hell you're doing."-Peyton Manning
by P0RKINS2 on Dec 20, 2009 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He definitely should
Colts are playing with more (I hate to use cliches) fire than they have this late in the season than I can remember. 16-0 with several moving parts, new coordinators…you need a galvanizing HC to pull that off. In fact, while I think Peyton deserves the MVP, I’d say Caldwell deserves CoY even more. He’s pushing all the right buttons, managing the health of his players perfectly etc.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
By the way
All the Chris Johnson knob slobbers can shut up
No way he breaks Dickerson’s record this year.
Honestly compare
River’s current streak with Peyton’s 9 gamer to finnish last year. Personality -wise I can’t stand Phillip Rivers. But accpet that he’s part of the discussion.
I completley agree with this.
and i love the tone. Im sick of all these so called experts. The colts are 14-0 and they still wont give them any credit. Congrats on #4 #18.
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