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Chris Johnson has had one helluva season. There is a reason why we Colts fans were so very much for Bill Polian swinging some kind of deal to draft him last year. Could you imagine this guy as a Colts running back, sharing caries with Joseph Addai? What's the single season rushing record for a team? Yeah, the Colts would break that by about 300 yards with Johnson sharing carries with Addai.

However, as wonderful as CJ is, he is not the NFL MVP. We said that last week, and some of you bashed us for it. Now you know why.

Numbers and stats are all good, but an MVP helps his team win football games with those numbers and stats. The MVP also should have an impressive resume of game-winning performances during the year, especially in big games.

Oh, and the MVP must make the playoffs.

No MVP in NFL history has not made the playoffs, and that trend will likely never be broken. An MVP player not qualifying for the tournament is embarrassing for the league. That's why they have the "Offensive Player of the Year" and "Defensive Player of the Year" awards. Last year, Drew Brees won OPotY after throwing for over 5,000 yards. However, he wasn't a legit MVP candidate because his team did not qualify for the playoffs.

This leads me to Chris Johnson. Last night, he ran for 142 yards on 21 carries with 1 TD. That's very impressive. However, his team lost 42-17 at home while they are in the midst of a playoff push. With the loss, the Titans are all but out of the playoff picture. As Jimmy at Music City Miracles so accurately spelled it out, the Titans have feasted on crap teams this year while playing quite poorly against the good ones.

Sorry, but in CJ's case, when your numbers not only do not help your team consistently win, nor do they even help your team make the games respectable in terms of the final score, you aren't an MVP. That may sound like the criteria is "unfair" towards Johnson, but that's how they judge things. If MVPs were given out to players who put up huge numbers despite the accomplishments (or lack thereof) by their teams, Barry Sanders would have won three of four MVPs. He was the best player in football during his ten years in the league; better than Emmitt Smith (yes, don't even try to debate it, especially when you look at Sanders and what he had to work with) or anyone else at that time.

This "their team must win" criteria is why so many QBs win league MVPs.

If anything, last night saw Philip Rivers dump Chris Johnson from the MVP race, and possibly pass Drew Brees. But, the reality is Peyton Manning will indeed win his 4th MVP award. I was accused of being "homer" for saying that last week, but when most of the MVP voters are essentially out writing that they will vote for Manning, it isn't being "homer" when you state the obvious. Besides, Peyton is arguably the best player in football on the best team (currently) in football.

So, yeah, Peyton will win the award. Nothing CJ or Rivers did last night will alter voters minds.

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for the most part on it being Peyton’s. But we know how fickle and overreactionary the media can be, so it’s still possible for Peyton to lose with a storm of the correct events.

Yes, Peyton is my MVP and I think is clearly the most valuable this year, no doubt.

But, if Peyton has a terrible game and we lose on Sunday, enough voters may change their minds. I only say this because of the below quote from Peter King, just one week after saying Peyton had clinched it:

“I have Philip Rivers number two right now, so it’s not over. And Rivers has had some quality wins. So that definitely will be on my mind. But if Manning has the best year of his career with two new receivers and a poor running game and the Colts win 15 or 16 … well, he’s going to be hard to beat.”

Notice he’s qualifying things and hemming and hawing, just one week after saying it was Peyton’s. That’s what I’m worried about, that people will overlook 14 straight wins if we lose on Sunday, and treat SD’s current streak as better. Look how he says Rivers has quality wins, while not saying the same of Peyton. Notice, IF Peyton does this, blah, blah, blah.

I hope the people who vote for the MVP are not as easily swayed by flawed logic and gut feelings and whatever other stupidity is causing PK and others to begin openly campaigning for someone other than Peyton to be the MVP. PK looks like he’s changed his mind, and that was before Rivers’ excellent game against the Titans.

That’s why I’m not certain. Media chases the sexy story, and right now Rivers is sexier than Manning because Manning’s been so good for so long.

by The Walking Eye on Dec 26, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

Here's the thing

The media right now knows that they have to create a story. If they say, “Peyton’s the man, he’s got it locked up”, that’s really not much of a story. So they have to make it seem like a competition. And when you have a guy like Rivers or Brees that are playing very well on very good teams, it makes sense. But people know the truth.

The bad part is is that there might be some writers that act like you say. If the Colts were to lose this week and then go into rest mode, and Peyton only has little numbers, and Rivers goes on a tear, that might sway a FEW votes. But there is no way I see those votes coming from people who would vote for Manning normally. Those votes would have went to Brees more than likely, since those are the people who are probably “fatigued” from giving the award to Manning and are looking for someone, anyone else to give it to.

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on Dec 26, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

After the Indy Star poll

Everyone, even ESPN, knows Manning has it locked up.

"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."

by Colts Homer on Dec 26, 2009 1:24 PM EST reply actions  

WHAT????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Barry Sanders better than Emmit Smith??????????!!!!!!!!!!

i completly agree, and really barry coulda won the mvp every year of his career. i love you barry you were the best and you still are, saving up money to get your jersey man

"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
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-Travis Bickle-

by 805 on Dec 26, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry for being off topic

but is Addai going to play Sunday?

I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com

by Jaxon on Dec 26, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions  

Is there any truth to the rumor............

That Indy Lori secretly thinks Philip Rivers is hot? Just askin.

by tim55 on Dec 26, 2009 2:19 PM EST reply actions  

I think not.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I've met Indy Lori in person

and even though she wears glasses, she can still see

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Dec 26, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

NO DOUBTS- My MVP

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

for awesomeness!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 26, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you PTB, I do a lot of these with you in mind.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Indy Lori.......

Poster child of the stalkers. You haven’t killed your neighbors bunny rabbit have you? Forgive me I’m in a nasty mood this AM, I bet Tennessee.

by tim55 on Dec 26, 2009 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

I had Ten too.

Friggin’ Chargers!! BOOO

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 26, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll forgive you, I guess..........

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

But is the rabbit OK?

by tim55 on Dec 26, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions  

You've watched too many creepy movies,LOL

I’m an open book, sweet, and NORMAL……………..

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

The pendulum seems to really be swinging towards Philip Rivers.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Dec 26, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply actions  

Says who? LINK?

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree on that one.

The Titans played like they didn’t want to be in playoffs, no fire, no nothing.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget

all of those bone-headed penalties.

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Dec 26, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

well, i didnt see the NFLN, but sources close to me tell me that Deion

is making the push hard, there.

Florio is using front page space to make the case for Rivers there.

And as soon as its posted on ESPN, I’m almost positive their blog network (which, i think, is pimping the “Anyone but Peyton Manning” campaign" will have Rivers first.

Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.

by SpazMo on Dec 26, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

They're all wrong, and I'm convinced the VOTERS will see this.

The talking heads like Sanders aren’t the be all to end all.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 26, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely wrong about this
Oh, and the MVP must make the playoffs.

No MVP in NFL history has not made the playoffs, and that trend will likely never be broken. An MVP player not qualifying for the tournament is embarrassing for the league.

OJ Simpson, the first RB to crack 2,000 yards, won the MVP and did not make the playoffs. In fact, he is the ONLY player in the history of the NFL to win it on a team that failed to make it into the playoffs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_NFL_season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1973-74

by DevilsReject on Dec 26, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

And to add this...

In Super Bowl V, where the Colts beat the Cowboys, the MVP was Dallas’s Chuck Howley. The only player on a losing team to win the MVP…

by DevilsReject on Dec 26, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe voters had to submit their votes

in at half time or at the start of the fourth quarter since the Cowboys had a 7 point lead at the start of the 4th and the Colts scored 10 unanswered points.

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Dec 26, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Good thing MVP aren't based on stats alone

QB A: 25 td 9 int,3891 yards, 64% 277 per game

QB B: 23 td 7 int 3886 yards, 62 % 277 per game

Quarterback A is Rivers; Quarterback B, Romo. Their stats are nearly identical, but everyone says that Romo sucks and the Cowboys need to get rid of him while Rivers is constantly praised as being a superstar and so consistent and underrated…yeah right. Rivers’ a damn good qb, but he’s not an elite quarterback like Peyton or even on the cusp of eliteness like Brees.

Peyton Manning makes it Wayne on them hoes!!!!

by KMR24 on Dec 26, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Game after game this season Manning has done the impossible. Miami game 15 minutes with the ball and still won. New England game -ask why they chose to go for it on 4th down – because they know who the MVP is. With rookie recievers,depleted defense,new coach.a weak running game,injuries galore and yet undefeated.
Here’s why?
Record setting 4th quarter comebacks with no room for error —Manning delivers.
 300 yard games -nine of them (should have been a record setting 10 but ran out the clock with 299) Leads the league in passing yards,completions,tied in tds and near the top in the rest of the stats. Ask youself this question how many wins would the Colts have this season without #18? Hard to see how they would have won more than 4.That to me says it all. By the way the tenth 300 yd game will come against the Jets,fittingly the best pass defense in the league. Go Colts.
pass defence in the league

by arcade on Dec 27, 2009 5:44 AM EST reply actions  

It's the Line

ask why they chose to go for it on 4th down
This. No one is feared by opposing coaches the way Manning is. They literally see it as Manning versus their team. That said, I think the secret MVP of the Colts is the offensive line & running backs. The line is insanely good and Addai and his fellow committeemen are moping up anyone who gets through and running well enough that defenses have to respect the play fake. The result is that defenses are being made to pay dearly for the slightest mistake because Manning is that good.

by indymike on Dec 27, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

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