Colts: Forget 15-0, we want a Super Bowl
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:19 PM EST
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PrintWhy the Colts pulled Peyton Manning and other key starters is easy to understand. Their number 1 goal is to win the Super Bowl. Everything else is an incredibly distant second. The Colts organization believes that the balance of keeping sharp and reducing injury risk displayed by pulling key starters in the 3rd quarter is the best way to do that.
You can disagree that it's the best way (personally I don't), but understanding why it was done is simple. It only takes one freak play to end a players season and the Colts have been victimized by freak plays sidelining key players. The Colts haven't lost their first round game the last two years because they rested starters. They lost them because of injuries to irreplaceable talents. Without Gary Brackett last year the Colts had no answer for Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson over the middle of the field. Without Dwight Freeney and with Mathis and Brock hobbled in 2007 the Colts were totally unable to apply pass pressure. One play can do irreparable harm to a teams Super Bowl run.
So much is made of the effect rest supposedly has on how sharp Indy's precision passing offense is, but the rested Colts passing O was more effective in the 2007 and 2008 playoffs than in any game during the unrested 2006 Super Bowl run. What should have been a well oiled machine of a Colts O if the play-it-out'ers are to be believed averaged less than 18 points per game through halftime of the AFCCG. 2003 through 2005 the Colts rested and won 2 of their first 3 playoff games, with all 3 playoff exits coming at the hands of the eventual Super Bowl Champs. Connecting rest to 1st round losses is a lazy narrative that relies on a small sample size, cherry picking a cutoff of 2005, ignoring 1st round wins after resting in 03 and 04 and disregarding the absence of key players in 07 and 08.
The Colts made the right move not just because injuries derail seasons, but because the team is professional enough, and strong enough emotionally to stay focused on their goal despite a disappointment. To write off the Colts chances because of what happened today is to call the players emotionally weak. When you think of professionalism in the NFL, the Colts are who should come to mind. Professionals get over disappointment. 19-0 was not the goal, there is no reason to fold with that potential lost.
Caldwell and Polian could have been wrong but we all need to remember that there wouldn't have been an undefeated run to "blow" if it wasn't for the great talents of both of those men. Over the previous 14 games they based their strategy around positioning the Colts to win the Super Bowl, they did the same thing today.
The Colts Super Bowl chances are stronger than ever thanks to the health of their top talents.
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sorry shake
Can’t agree about forgetting 15-0 this day will live on forever in Colts land
Champions don’t quit, play scared, tuck their tail between their legs when history is in their face
cool caldwell lost us the game, and maybe i lost my fantasy championship for the second year in a row because manning was benched
BUT its kool i dont give a fuck anymore im chill lets just focus on the superbowl, good post i guess
"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
"You're only as healthy as you feel."
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by 805 on Dec 27, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions
yah i cant figure out
if i am more angry that we gave up, or the face that giving up may cost me my fantasy title…
go mavs, go colts, go rangers, go baylor
Very strong counter-point
I disagree with the decision, but articles like this is why blogging is grand. We don’t all share the same opinion. Thus, there is actual discussion.
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Thanks a lot for this
My view on this situation exactly.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
+7
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
About bob sanders
bob sanders actually plays? i thought he just bitched about his injuries.
by Pummel Polian on Dec 27, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
shut the fuck up
you troll
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 27, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
if this is the level of discourse that regular fans post at it makes it pretty impossible to ban anyone for trolling
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
To create an account
today just to bash a team or a player, points to trolling IMO
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 27, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
it does, but the level of discourse today has been such that it's impossible to tell a troll from a pissed first time poster
and if first visited the site today you couldn’t pick a troll from a lot of long-time regular posters
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, Shake. I'm disappointed, but still have lots of faith in this team and grateful
for EVERYONE who got us to this position in the first place.
^^Ditto^^
Only one recc for Shake’s post? (now two) For shame.
I am disappointed, but really, if we had not given up a 106 yd KO rtn and had Painter not fumbled, the decision would have been exactly the same but a lot of people wouldn’t be so upset by it….
Or if the decision came about 8 game minutes later (my preference) the game might well have turned out differently as well….
Our almost best case scenario in playoff seeding seems to be set, with the Chargers facing the Pats before one of them heads to Indy (yes, counting my chickens). Slightly better would have been SD heading cross-country to Foxboro, back home, and then back to Indy. But whatever.
Hey, it’ll never happen, but we can all root for the Jets to win a game and make a return trip for vengeance. That would be a pleasant surprise rematch, no? Something like that happened in 2003 (or 04) with Denver.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Good point, Bobman
Oddly, I’ll be rooting HARD for the Jets next week so that if the Pats rest their starters and lose their game, the playoff seedings don’t change.
How can you not love a team that does this?
FO and advanced stats are great
its still a results oriented business.
As I said, sure, do whatever you want, but at some point you have to have consequences for your actions. I think this will be the charm for times resting with one and dones, should that happen.
I disagree a lot that we should bow at the altar of Polian and Caldwell for 14-0. I think its because of one person mostly. And he got as much play time in the last 20 minutes of the game as the other two.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
also
it only takes one freak accident in any thing for someone to be hurt. Maybe we should keep them in lock down during the season. Afterall, Montae Reagor got into a car accident. The Jags game didnt really effect the standings or playoff positioning (the first one, all the way back in week one), we should have sat Anthony Gonzalez, then he wouldnt have gotten hurt.
Don’t let people have off-season surgery, it made Lilja miss a season and made Sanders miss a lot of games this year.
Better yet, lets not let Peyton Manning play any games. Lets wrap him in bubble wrap and put him in the rafters.
INJURIES ARE PART OF THE NATURAL FLOW OF A FOOTBALL SEASON. UNTIL TODAY, QUITTING WASNT.
You won’t find that on Footballoutsiders or anywhere else, sorry.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
by SpazMo on Dec 27, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
what is this about FO? Did I mention them in the post
then what does it have to do with anything? It’s a bizarre angle and doesn’t address a single thing I said in the post.
Obviously you have to play the first 13 games to secure a playoff spot, a bye and homefield. The playoff spot is a prerequisite for a Superbowl run and the bye/HFA are bigger factors than the injury risk. What isn’t a bigger factor is fear of rust and of the players losing all semblance of professionalism and quitting on the team over a move that doesn’t effect their Superbowl chances.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
It is unprofessional
to be paid to play and win fottball games and then sit your ass down and not give your best efforts. That’s why the players were pissed. The people at Lucas Oil paid alot to see a professional football team PLAY.
Not to mention
how do you think Irsay feels when fans leave the stadium in disgust, which costs him food and beverage profits, and potential new fans are turned off on a team and decide not to buy a jersey or season tickets.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
idk it was what he wanted and he just didn't realize the concequences
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
you referenced PFR
but FOs easier to type than PFR. And I’m taking after the Colts and half-assing it :D
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
also
can you show some proof that HFA is helpful in the playoffs? actual outcomes of games would seem to suggest otherwise.
also we only needed the first 12 games. Why risk the injuries in the 100 minutes from kick off of jags game till 3rd quarter of jets game if its meaningless?
also, fear of injuries, like legitimate, colts just quit on the field FEAR of injuries is OK, but fear of rust/being out of sync isnt?
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
I'd say that it being factored into the lines of a business that need to accurately gauge odds to make money
is as good of proof as you can get
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
buts not being done so as much this year
usually there is the stanard 3 points for HFA. If you follow the lines this year, it hasnt really been happening as much.
Second, lines arent created by what vegas thinks, but based on what Vegas thinks will get them the most actions on both sides of the bet. Vegas may or may not believe in a 3 point HFA, but if the public does, then you can bet that vegas will do something with that.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
true but if there was money to be made just by disregarding homefield in the lines
there would be a lot people that got rich easy. If you, counting on a 2-3 point edge every game because HFA doesn’t really matter, bet every road team at -110 you’d have lost money through last week.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
okay,
so vegas lines are more important than the fact that 1 and 2 seeds rarely win the Super Bowl?
If the #1 and #2 seeds wer ethe holy grail, they would lead to more winners. HFA matters in a series of games, not in a 1 and done random mash up.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
the big difference between the playoffs and regular season is smaller sample size and smaller gaps in level of ability. Both of which lend themselves to noiser data.
pull from a sample as large as the ones that show a regular season HFA and I’ll bet good money you’ll see a playoff HFA.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
also
your title is ‘Colts: Forget 15-0, we want a Superbowl (sic)’
Do you have some correlation between 15-0 and losing Super Bowls? Is there some reason that winning today would have prevented the Colts from winning 6 weeks from now?
Is there some correlation between the extra 20 minutes of rest the starters got that will keep them fresher than a spring day for the playoffs?
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
by SpazMo on Dec 27, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%
This has been my argument since this rest vs play argument started. Makes no sense that quitting on this game will somehow guarantee we will now win the Super Bowl.
And don’t worry, Peyton will only play the first couple series next week now so the rust debate is going to start all over again.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
you don't think 20 more minutes of play increases the risk of serious injury?
The chance was small, but so was the benefit when your only goal is the Superbowl
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
read my post about it not being a black and white issue
there’s a benefit to getting some play in and there’s a point where the injury risk outweighs it. I think they should play at least a few series, but probably not more than a half.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
So you don't believe
that a professional team should try to win every game? Manning has fewest sacks ever through 15 games. Didn’t seem like alot of risk in it. It did seem risky having Painter throwing passes to Collie in traffic and almost getting him beheaded. Manning wouldn’t have throw that pass.
I think that with the way the regular season/playoffs are set up
there are times when staying healthy is more important than winning.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
I am unaware
of any other PROFESSIONAL team that takes the same approach to deliberately throw games.
and the Colts won the most games this decade by being like other teams
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have a moral issue
throwing games. I guess it is the boxing fan in me. I never have cared for fighters who take a dive. This is the equivalent. Winning regular season games is great but only one Superbowl. Apparently taking a dive does not guarantee a Lombardi trophy.
That's one of the main
problems with this type of argument. We’re mixing moral issues with sports issues.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
I think that if everyone
was honest, the whole taking a dive thing makes us feel dirty. People have reasonable expectations when paying to see a professional event. If I go to the Cirque de Sola in Orlando or broadway show in New York, I do not expect to get the alternates because I come later in the day. I expect the same quality. Noone here can possibly say the last quarter looked like Colts football. Our local college team could have kicked their asses.
Not one from Indiana.
They all suck.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
I think calling it "throwing a game" is utterly disrespecting the 40 players not pulled
In a moral sense, the Colts reduced their chances of a win, but did not walk off the field and call it a day. The guys out there played to win and they had a lead to protect at the critical juncture. They just couldn’t quite do it. In previous years (against AZ in 2005) they DID win with backups “throwing the game.”
There were 11 professional athletes out there trying to win it on each snap for the final 22 minutes. This was not the Chicago Black Sox, losing on purpose.
It was not immoral or unethical—walking away at halftime and forfeiting would have been.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Agree with you on this point, too
I was looking for a place to say it. Everyone says that Caldwell intentionally tried to lose the game – not true. He fielded a team with a much lower chance to win, yes, but hey… we now know what we could expect should we have to throw Painter out there.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Agree
I honestly thought it was sad how the fans were treating Painter when he would go on the field. The guy had never played in an NFL game and he had to go on the field at Lucas Oil and try to follow in the footsteps of Peyton Manning. Not and easy task for the guy. But they all tried their hardest to keep the lead and I think they deserve some credit.
Deliberatly throw the game?
Caldwell didnt go into this game saying if we get the lead Im pulling the starters so we loose!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Any fool could see
that Painter lacked any tangible ability to beat the first team of the Jets. If Caldwell didn’t know what would happen he doesn’t need to be a NFL coach. You could have gotten a better performance by suiting up some fat, drunk fans than I saw from our 3rd teams.
There's a risk driving home from the game.
I’m sick and tired of hearing about this bullshit risk! The Colts coaches make me sick to my stomach. There’s a thing called risk and reward. The reward to staying in the winning groove and potentially going 19-0 and being regarded as the best in NFL history………has got to be worth any risk. On a scale of one to ten, if winning a superbowl is a ten, then winning a superbowl combined with having a undefeated record of 19-0 and being regarded as the best ever is a ‘1000’ on the same scale. Why can’t people understand this? Amazing.
I understand it
Playing scared is playing to lose. Quitting is also playing to lose. Accepting quitting is not okay with me.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Glad you get it AceOfSpades...
some dont’. And, the ones who don’t……we’ll I’m glad they’re not coaching the Colts either. I’m so sick of these conservative, wimpy gutless philosophies of the Colts coaching staff in recent years.
Don't want to take it here...
but I agree with you.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Just as inserting a bunch of rookies mixed in with veterans also increases the risk
When the offense and defense were both sputtering, did you not think that something could also go wrong with Brackett while he was in there?
A missed block, blown assignment, anything else leading to a huge hit on a key player that would have otherwise been avoided?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Brackett was pulled pretty early too
along with Freeney, Bethea, Wayne and Clark.
Not all injuries are created equal as well. That’s why I stressed the importance of elite and irreplaceable players.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
poor excuse
id rather have 1 player injured than 22 starters rusty. peyton has missed 1 snap due to an injury in his career btw.
by Pummel Polian on Dec 27, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
Re: SpazMo
Rec’d. You don’t win games, let alone Championships, by quitting.
The worst part of it all is that they fed Painter to the wolves deep in Colts territory, thereby ensuring that the Colts would struggle the remainder of the game and conceding victory. I don’t understand why a team that prides itself on “one game at a time” and says things like “don’t take winning for granted” would quit on themselves like this.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Really?
No team has ever won a championship after resting? that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
dont know the answer
cant think of one off the top of my head, can you?
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
The '97 and '98 Broncos did.
I remember Kravitz saying that earlier.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
The difference here
is that the Colts were 14-0 at the time, attempting to do something that only 1 other team has done in history…go undefeated and win the Super Bowl also. That is why this is such an issue, not because they simply pulled starters out of a meaningless game.
The 98 Broncos pulled starters in a game AFTER they had already lost a game that they were still trying to win in an attempt to go undefeated.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Sorry shake
But this team was undefeated because of the players resiliency ,this team didnt knew how to quit until today . bad timing , bad decision. im sorry
by thebossuzzi on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
^^this^^
The ONLY reason we were 14-0 was because of HEART. I don’t see heart in pulling starters. I still haven’t come to terms with the decision obviously…
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 27, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Freak plays could have happened in the first 2.5 quarters as well. I can understand playing to win. I can understand playing a series and sitting. I don’t understand playing the key guys for 40 minutes and yanking them off the field when one TD drive would have made victory quite likely. It seems like the worst of both worlds: throw the game, but expose the starters to injury risk for most of the game.
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by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 27, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions
there's a balance between having the 1st team get in work and keeping them protected
why are 1-2 series of play or sitting the whole the only options?
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
It always seems to be
a black and white issue. There are always more than 2 options.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle...
of each side.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 27, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
i agree shake but
i just am dissapointed and disagree with the method. the way they did it was not classy and was horrible if they wanted to tart resting after a quarter ok but you dont do it they way they did and just say its fine. anyway im most concerned for the players and there morale which must be at its very lowest right now and it shouldn’t cause we are still 14-1. a loss is one thing but in this fasion is very hard to take and if it is hard for us imagine how it is for the players
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
If the Steelers had done this, I would be incredibly angry.
Actually, I’m incredibly angry anyway, but for a different reason. BTW, are we getting a SNF thread?
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by LV Steelers Fan on Dec 27, 2009 8:29 PM EST reply actions
sure make it your self but it isnt worth it it would be the same topic
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
you suprized?? thats what im doing
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I onlt feel bad for
the Fantasy owners who started Manning. Such as the guy I just beat in my Fantasy Championship game. :)
But really, these are professional athletes. They will get over it.
Just remember that the last 36 superbowl teams lost at least one regular season game. This isn’t anything new.
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I don't think
there is anything to get over for them. The players aren’t pissed. The fans are. Some people are getting that mixed up.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
i do believe however that there morale has to be down and that would be hard to argue against
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Is there any indication of this?
Peyton already knew that he would be pulled from the game.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
The fans though make players, coaches and owners rich...
so if something means so much to the fans and obvisouly it did (hence all the boos) I feel you are obligated to make the fans happy. Hell alot of coaches lose jobs for this very reasoning.
Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I'm in a police station.
by TouchdownColts on Dec 27, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Way to steal my post....... JK
Anyway, totally agree. Rest is not an issue. I feel like it did hurt us in 2005, but that Steelers team was a better team than anyone of the possible foes in the divisional round.
EVH+DLR=BFFr........ God I Hope So!!
how about quitting
is quitting an issue? There is some real Penn and Teller shit going on from the ‘LOL GOOD CALL CALDWELL’ crowd. Who’s talkin about rest? Seems like most of us are talkin about quitting. If you wanna rest em, rest em. You can’t be mostly dead.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
I'm not saying it was a good call, but just that it's not
worth … all this. I love this freaking team DESPITE this bad call. And I’ll support them all (Polian, Irsay, Caldwell included) even if I didn’t like what went on today. It sucks, but just moving on.
by diagenesis on Dec 27, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
1) I said I hate the TEAM where?
2) You keep telling people to move on. Do you need me to move on for you to feel better? If you’ve moved on, awesome for you, seriously. What about those of us that would like to discuss it some more, do we have your permission?
3) If the Colts had won, are you telling me you’d be on here yellin, HEY, MOVE ON, WE GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN ENJOY A WIN!?
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
You're right,
I’ve no right to tell others to move on. I apologize. No, I would want to savor the win.
I don’t think I meant it like there was no need to discuss the loss. Obviously the decision is controversial and it hurts a lot. Any Colts loss hurts.
Anyway, I’m sorry. Obviously nobody needs my permission to do anything.
awesome
wanna cuddle?
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
better pop in a good movie for that
cause SNF isnt very good
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
its okay
i dont think she likes me much.. ; ;
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
Haha
sounds like you two will be watching commercials!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Thats fine
I can deal with commercials as long as im warm.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
nothing keeps ya warm
like someone else’s body heat!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
when no bodyheat..
alcohol works.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
i gots rum and eggnog! YUM!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
wow i just had a revelation NO MATTER WHAT WE DO THE COLT WILL NEVER GET THE RESPECT THEY DESERVE
oh wait no matter what we do or dont do
"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
"You're only as healthy as you feel."
-Travis Bickle-
by 805 on Dec 27, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions
They dont need it
they will win with or without it
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
im happy i got someone who can find a good thing out of my angry thoughts
thans coltsfan
"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
"You're only as healthy as you feel."
-Travis Bickle-
by 805 on Dec 27, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
Im optimistic, but I just can’t get mad about this. Its frustrating yes, but a perfect regular season gets you nothing. Just ask the Patriots. Im sure they would trade the undefeated season for a Super Bowl. Theres a bigger goal than 16-0 and that’s Miami
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
In hindsight Im sure you are right but leading up to that superbowl all the talk
was how that pats team was the greatest ever (puke) but imagine going into the superbowl 18-0 and only need one win to be the GREATEST TEAM EVER
Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I'm in a police station.
by TouchdownColts on Dec 27, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
How do they deserve respect for this?
No team in history has had the opportunity to go undefeated and quit for no logical reason. It’s pathetic and I am bothered that Polian continues to get involved at this point in the season…. usually leading to disappointment.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
The 1998 Broncos did.
Be careful when making sweeping statements like that.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
The 98 Broncos lost first
then they decided to rest players, not the other way around.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Dec 27, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I am not drinking that Kool Aid fools!
We rested each year except the year we won the Super Bowl. Don’t you all realize the Chargers were watching this garbage unfold! They were licking their chops, watching our body language, and smelling blood!
Correlation does not
imply causation.
Injuries and and a bad running game were the reasons the Colts lost the last 2 year in the playoffs.
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licking their chops
watching the 2nd string play? Players they will never see or play against
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
If they start preparing
for Painter to Baskett, they have another thing coming.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
im impressed the fans didnt start throwing stuff,
it woulda really pushed caldwell to put manning back in
"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
"You're only as healthy as you feel."
-Travis Bickle-
by 805 on Dec 27, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply actions
They don't give out beer bottles
in the Luke.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
im sure there are other things that can be thrown
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree with you here shake...
This has been the teams stance since Polian was brought in to run the organization. To have expected something different is to ignore the way we have done things for over the past decade. I can also understand why fans are upset over this. It seems the timing of the pulling of starters was odd. From a PR prospective it seems to be a horrible move; but this isn’t surprising coming from Polian. He doesn’t care if people like the move. He does what he believes gives the team the best chance of winning a Super Bowl. Right or wrong the man sticks by those beliefs. Maybe we win another title because of this decision maybe we don’t. I think the real disappointment in fans lies within the unknown. What if we had gone 19-0? Alas we will never. I for one am ok with that.
Also I feel bad for Curtis Painter...
To be tossed out there as the sacrificial lamb is not the way I would want to make my NFL debut.
Painter will live in infamey
people will always remember him for losing our what if
Back when I was picking beans in Guatemala, we used to make fresh coffee, right off the trees I mean. That was good. This is shit but, hey, I'm in a police station.
by TouchdownColts on Dec 27, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
painter has plenty of time get better and i have a hard time putting the blame on him, did he make mistakes?? yes
but did you expect otherwise? also they did not call good plays they basically abandoned the run which made no sense when your throwing in a 3rd string QB and you were doing pretty good running
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I’ll just delete my article then.
Also, for the love of god shake, Super Bowl is two words.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
Super Bowl Super Bowl Super Bowl
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
thx
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
and if you do have a piece written I say the more the merrier
if it was a joke I say LOL.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with Shake on this
I’m disappointed that they didn’t go for it, but I would have been much more disappointed had Scott gotten to Manning one more time and made him hit the deck awkwardly. I believe the Jets were likely to ratchet up their blitzes because they HAD to win this game to stay in the playoff hunt.
Biggest concern now is how the players respond this week.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Unfortunately
Now the players will probably be able to look forward to resting much more against Buffalo than they did this game. The team will then have a bye week and we will be in a similar situation in the Divisional round as we were in 2005.
If things don’t work out…..then everyone is still okay with this?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
You judge decisions by process on outcome
if you hate the move now you should hate it forever, if you like it now you should like it forever.
Only exceptions are if you give up an assumption that liking/hating the move was based on like belief or disbelief in rust or emotional damage (or lack there of) to players for leaving midgame.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
My comments
are a rebuttal to the notion that since we lost this game, we are now in a better position to win the Super Bowl than if we had won this game and also the Buffalo game.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
someone said the loss helps?
that’s dumb. Having players healthy helps. 15-0 vs 14-1 alone makes no difference.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Unless the players point to this decision
and claim that this caused them to lose focus or give up, then yes. It’s about managing risk at this point.
How can you not love a team that does this?
Get off the apologist bandwagon...
Give me a break…..and move to France while you’re at it….Ya it didn’t mean anything to the players or Polian….Oh e’s a genius….oh yes….look at his explanations for hihs apologies for the Colts post season failures…they get flimsier every year…
Ummmm......
………………what?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
He must have written it
in a different language. I can’t comprehend that comment.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
you suprized?? thats what im doing
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
And don't forget
We could end up playing the Jets in the Playoffs.
Who here would not want that?
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And '04.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
Great Post...
This helps me keep me to keep this decision in perspective… The decision sucks and I think was the wrong decision, however, we look really healthy right now going into the playoffs… And if we do go into the playoffs if we lose it will be because of execution and not not being healthy…
But
A loss is a loss no matter how you go about it.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Why Oh Why...
Do we decide to pull the first stringers this week, when last week meant jack shit as well…if you are going to do it, do it to us when we are 13-0 and have the first seed locked up, but doing it when we are 14-0 in the 3rd quarter is B.S.
Does anyone here think the starters should travel to Buffalo?
It will be icy and cold and someone might get a boo boo.
There is absolutely no rational way
to defend what Caldwell did this evening. None, whatsoever! It would be different if we had dropped a game or two alone the way, but the Colts were undefeated going into the game tonight and winning against the Jets. And, that was with many dropped passes…passes that aren’t usually dropped. Seriously, how many seasons does a team make it to 14-0? Think about that! And, to intentionally derail any chance of keeping it going in the name of sparing a freak injury, is not doing justice to the players or the opportunity of a lifetime. Caldwell deserves jail time for this. Remember, nobody can name all the superbowl winners over the years, but everyone knows about the 72 Dolphins. There’s a reason for that! There’s also a reason for the saying ‘NO GUTS, NO GLORY’. I wish we had a coach with some guts. And, regarding tonight’s debacle of a game, suppose an injury happened to Manning, then at least we took a shot at history, and I can live with that. Now though, even if we win the superbowl, we’ll be one among many…….and that’s if the momentum and rhythm is even retrievable. But it won’t even be in the same league as 19-0. Caldwell destroyed that opportunity.
by Ayrshire on Dec 27, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Caldwell
didn’t do this. Polian gets involved every year around this time, and not coincidentally this is the time of year the Colts are notorious for losing games, losing rhythm and momentum and then losing playoff games.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
I agree with you, but I dont' think this was Caldwell, I think it was Polian's decision,
As far as I’m concerned he derprived me of 15 and 0. We could have won that game.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Yes, you're probably right Indy Lori.
I’m sorry such a good fan as yourself was subjected to this incredible gutless debacle that is Colt’s braintrust football in late season. It’s nauseating and sickening that’s for sure. It’s like two golfer’s playing a sudden death playoff and one golfer just decides to shank the ball on purpose and lose, in the name of getting off the course…. so he won’t get hit with a stray golf ball……after all there’s a bigger tournament next week.
by Ayrshire on Dec 27, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
or sneaking around with a bunch of waitresses
while his wife raises his kids at home in Florida
oh wait… were we not talking about golfers?
How can you not love a team that does this?
well said
it’s tough to put things in perspective, but you were able to do it Shake.
14-1, #1 seed in the AFC, homefield throughout the playoffs, with a rookie head coach and new defensive coordinator. also, Manning/Wayne/Clark/Freeney/Mathis all still standing. if i was a Colts fan, i would’ve signed up for that before the season.
hey, if anyone wants to switch places with me – a fan of a team that had their playoff hopes ended in a 41-9 home blowout in the final game at Giants Stadium – let me know.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 27, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply actions
That's not the point.
We’re not at the beginning of the season. We’re undefeated going into tonight’s game with an opportunity to make history. And, ……..we were ahead when the starters were pulled. Pulling them at that point is pure insanity.
it means nothing
you make history by winning titles. like Shake said, the focus should be on winning the Super Bowl. who gives a shit about a t-shirt that says “We’re Perfect”? there’s plenty of history still to be made. that’s what Colts’ fans seem to not understand. Week 4, Week 12, and Week 16 don’t matter. January and February do.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 27, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
after you lock up the #1 seed in the AFC
and one injury can completely screw you, yes. it is OK to quit for a quarter-and-a-half.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 27, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
why start the game at all?
2.5 quarters was way too much if you are afraid of one injury, just play him one or 2 series and take them out ,but its the timing that seems to screw this , it seems that they actually wanted to lose.
because caldwell wanted to raise our hopes and then take a shit on us
"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
"You're only as healthy as you feel."
-Travis Bickle-
by 805 on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
playing for a half or three quarters
is much more beneficial than sitting for an entire game. i think there’s a happy medium between taking a month off (i.e. 2005 under Dungy) and going balls-to-the-wall to win (i.e. the ’07 Patriots).
lots of teams rest starters and come back and win titles. that’s all i’m saying. the season and the Colts’ Super Bowl hopes are not over because the Colts lost a meaningless Week 16 game to the Jets.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 27, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
That may be the most ignorant comment I've ever seen.
If it means nothing, the ‘72 Dolphins would not be so memorable. The fact is, going undeated at 19-0 even tops the ’72 Dolphins, who were 17-0. Why not risk the potential injury to have the status as ’best ever’. Peyton has started every game in his career and hasn’t gone down yet? I like those odds. If you can’t understand this, I can’t help you. And, I’m not even mentioning the other problems with rhythm, momentum, confidence in coaching, etc……..that this idiotic decision caused.
momentum
like the Colts had going into the postseason last year? where did that get them?
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Dec 27, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
History has already been made with this team
They have 115 wins, they had 23 consecutive regular season wins….they got to 14-0 which is not easy to do. Some of the players have broken records or tied records that have been hard to reach. Yeah an undefeated season would have been another opportunity, but I think some people are forgetting that this team has already achieved a lot things that were thought to be impossible.
A few points:
Hypotheticals are fun and all, but don’t be stupid enough to believe that playing in a meaningless game is worth jeopardizing the true goal of this season, and that’s to win the Super Bowl. Yeah it sucks that they gave in, but deal with it. The last thing that would be going through my mind during the Super Bowl if the Colts were undefeated is being 19-0. I’d just want them to win the freakin game so I can have my sanity back. The coaching staff and management did the right thing, you’ll realize this for yourself sooner or later.
About the Jags game; that was anything but meaningless. They’re a division rival and no matter how bad they look, or how many retarded moves Del Rio makes, they’re a team that always give the Colts fits. Why would any sane person or self-respecting Colts fan want to give them a chance to spoil our playoff run? That would be dumb as hell. I’d rather play the Patriots than the Jaguars.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
by KingRichard on Dec 27, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
this was the post i made to your front page post before you deleted
If you dont want people to get hurt in meaningless games then why
@JAX why did the team play starters full time? Don’t want anyone to get injured.
v Jets was meaningless in the 1st, 2nd and first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter, why have starters in there at that time?
It seems hypocritical to call the last 20 minutes of the game meaningless, but not the previous 100 minutes played by the Colts starters meaningless.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
That’s the way the Colts have always approached these games going down the stretch. The starters play more in week 15 than in week 16, and even less in week 17. What we saw today was nothing new.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
You didnt give a reason, btw
I’m asking a question. You and Shake are saying rest is good, rest is great, when you rest you can mas… nm, i just wanted to make a rhyme. Anyhow, its a meaningless game. OK. So what about the 1st and 2nd quarters. What about last week?
“This is what they always do’ isn’t a reason.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
you do need to get some time in
barely playing for over a month is probably bad for a team, but I would expect playing time to have diminishing returns while the injury risk is constant with the amount of time played. That means you get a point where the value of playing is less than the injury risk. Rest vs Play isn’t black and white, like most of the people that are upset with this decision are making it.
Plus KR pointed out a big reason to play last week vs this one in the post you first replied. The Jags are a team that gets up for Indy.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
heres what bothers me
The Colts wanted both. They sent Manning back out there after half time to score again. They wanted him ‘pulled’ with the lead. If the decision was to play a certain amount of time and be done, then Painter should have come out as the QB after half time.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
Too bad Manning's not calling the shots, instead of Polian/Caldwell
we’d be 15-0 now.
So why not start Painter and play Manning in the 2nd half?
Give your team a chance to grab the win instead of quitting on everything that has gotten you to this point.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Dec 27, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then you would break
Peyton’s consecutive starts streak.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
And that will not happen.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Dec 27, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
also..
For any argument you make about why the Colts should have gone for the win, there is an equal if not greater counter-argument to support the contrary.
Also, if that doesn’t help bring you back to reality, think about this: You’re basically agreeing with what BBS said and think that Bill Polian is an idiot. Think about that long and hard.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
Polian
Is Polian regarded as an excellent football coach? No, because he isn’t one. Why doesn’t he leave the coaching to the coaches and focus on drafting talent.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
So you thought the first team played well?
I thought the offense looked off. Seems like they could use some more reps to get better in sync. If records are so important then why risk trotting Peyton out for a series so he can keep his starting record. In Buffalo next week, he could just as easily get hurt on the first play as he could have the rest of this game and both would have been meaningless.
Dropped passes
They were up 9-3 at half, right? 10-3 if you get the extra point that was blocked and 17-0 if Clark pulls in that long pass from Manning that he somehow missed. I think that is pretty good considering what the Jets, the #1 defensive team in the NFL, were playing for.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
People are talking like
there was nothing needing to work on. Clearly, if you play that way in playoffs you are out. Period.
Dungy had no answer
when asked why he didn’t pull starters when he was way ahead when he coached. So in the future when we get up 3 scores should we sit all starters cause they might get a boo boo?
well... perspective.
there are worse things in life than this game today.
I could tell you stories… but hey everyone knows them. Can’t wait for the playoffs, and I am a sad panda when I think the football season will be ending quickly. Where have the weeks gone?
Go Colts!
I know, that's the most disappoining thing. No game to care about next week.
Good thing I’ll be in Jamaica and wasn’t going to watch anyway. :)
we can always cheer for losses...
that is always fun. Cept for tonight, the redskins are FAIL
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
The colts are not a playoff team, we are a regular season team so we should have fought for the most prestigious regular season title.
Hail Manning
Yes it did, but we have the most wins in a decade with only one Superbowl. So we are far better in the regular season then the playoffs was my point.
Hail Manning
by Ash Williams on Dec 27, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
lmao
however, that is not the case this season Ash.
by chihoosierguy on Dec 27, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
What Guarantee??
Why does everyone seem to think that resting key players and conceding victories as the regular season ends will guarantee that this team will win the Super Bowl?
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
no one thinks that
if you want to beat the shit out of that straw man go ahead and do that over in the corner, but no one is talking about that here.
Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
by shake n bake on Dec 27, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
i love beating this dead horse!
so no open thread tonight?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
a thread so beautiful that we all throw up rainbows!
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I heard on NPR
that men who stare at women’s boobs have lower blood pressure than those who avoid staring at women’s boobs…
This might have nothing to do with this thread…
INTERESTING....
well I have my new favorite excuse. :D
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
staring at bigger boobs = longer life
PROOF
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
well...
I never doubt stories printed in the Times of India, or German researchers.
Nope. No siree.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
so someone tells you that staring at big boobs will help you live long
and you wanna argue???!!!
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
did I argue?
where did I argue?
Canadians…
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I sensed sarcasm in your voice, yank
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
you heard his voice
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
in his defense...
I can yell REALLY loud.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I must get
the computer you have! And everyone here should look into one, because a lot of people have trouble sensing sarcasm heres
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
my computer allows me to
hear your voices and cuddle with various people. it PWNS
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
eh...
keep the computer that lets you cuddle with Cass. I can live without it, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
is there an open thread yet?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
When did I become
part of this?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
no no,
just you! I just didnt wanna brag too much
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
Oh good, I was looking forward to discussing
more German scientific studies…
I wonder if there’s one on proximity to a Hofbräuhaus…
what do women stare at
to live longer?
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
Shoes apparently.
The same show mentioned that women remember their shoe purchases better than the guy they first kissed.
thats horribly depressing.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
i have no idea who it is...
although he is creeping me out a little.
kinda regretting posting that.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
found it at Tinypic.
could have come from ANYWHERE
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
We'll just say it's him.
He’s creepy. But I kind of miss the show… the first group on kids at least.
HEY EVERYONE GUESS WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMA LOSE MY FANTASY CHAMPIONSHIP FOR THE SECOND STRAIGHT YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANKS CALDWELL AND POLIAN I LOVE YOU TWO YOU SILLY MONSTERS!!!!!!!!!!
"You only get intercepted when you don't know what your doing, I knew what I was Doing."
-Johnny Unitas-
"You're only as healthy as you feel."
-Travis Bickle-
by 805 on Dec 27, 2009 8:58 PM EST reply actions
so i bett the lose goes on mannings record, sucks cause it wasn't his fault
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
Thanks to Polian
IMO – the Colts now have MORE pressure on them to win the Super Bowl than they would have had if they had finished out the regular season. Now, they will be scrutinized to no end if they don’t seal the deal.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
i think the coaches will be not the players
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder what is going to happen to the Colts once Manning has retired. Sorgi is very average and Painter was abysmal, although it was only his first game. I hope Manning plays until he is 50.
Hail Manning
by Ash Williams on Dec 27, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I hope he gets much better or we draft a better QB. I don’t want to leave the team to Sorgi though.
Hail Manning
by Ash Williams on Dec 27, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
here is your link
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
You are either for the decision or not
We do all concur that the COLTS are the best team in the NFL!
More like a “You are a coward, along with Polian, that pisses on the fan’s dreams” decision.
Hail Manning
by Ash Williams on Dec 27, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
AGH!
Something else I thought of:
-Would resting players NOW really make that much of a difference in three weeks? Some of those injuries listed on the report seem like they might be kinda serious.
-With the reason for pulling starters out of a game, this team had BETTER win the SB. Because with their reason or goal being to win the ultimate prize and for resting the injured, they gave up a golden chance to be in a group of two other teams to finish undefeated in the regular season. How many teams have won the SB? Oh yeah, 43 others! As a fan, I had BETTER be able to say "yeah, I’d rather take a 15-1 or 14-2 record and a SB win than 18-1 w/o!!
always remember & never forget ......
its not how , its how many !
Heres what I am a little upset about
if Polian/Caldwell knew the Starters were gonna be pulled, why not sign Garcia? Why bring up a worthless lump names Willy?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
they could sign him
for the vet minimum. I doubt that’s what it was.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
yea he would have signed that also so he could be on a team so i agree
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
Vet minimum for Garcia is $800k+ a year. That would have been pointless since Painter was the only other QB who saw action.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
I have assumed that they signed him
because he has experience playing in the cold of Buffalo. I bet we see him late in the game next week.
How can you not love a team that does this?
The NFL Network, ESPN, Twitter
They are all killing us about the decision to pull the guys when we did.
eh, they hated us before...
so what’s new?
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Who gives a flying fuck?
Those guys have nothing better to talk about since the Saints lost.
by vintagephoenix on Dec 27, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
everyone is talking about players are pros and all that but hey
they have pride and thats why they dont quit and stay fighting to the very end , they did this 7 times this season, So im worried about their mindset now why should they give 100% if the coach isn’t going to!! bad timing ,bad timing caldwell , you dont do this winning a close one give Peyton one more drive go up 2 scores , one more series , play to win for pride the same pride your players show when trailing by 21 in the 4th and coming back.
Keep in mind people, the reason the Patriots are the team of the decade isn’t because of their meaningless undefeated regular season. They’re the team of the decade because they kick ass in the playoffs.
Keep your 16-0, give me a perennial 12-4 team who is known for bringing it in crunch time. Give me more titles and then we’ll talk about YouKnowWhat and 0.
"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"
you mean because they're not run by Pussies who pull starters and take their foot off the gas
when they’re hot, is that what you meant?
so now
we are going to kick ass in the playoffs? how does this bad timed “lets teach this team how to quit” call is going to make us kick ass in the playoffs?
I was and still am
for resting starters. The problem came with the timing and execution. First, Caldwell should have told us that they were going to rest Peyton after a half. If that had happened, the crowd wouldn’t have practically destroyed Painter, because they would have expected it. Second, why did they completely throw Painter to the wolves? #1 pass defense in the league backed up to his 10 yard line. Not a good time to put a rookie QB in.
I agree with the decision but not with the execution. The sad thing is that now Painter might never have a chance to be a good NFL QB.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
Tell me one thing...
you werent one of the ones who booed thepoor kid?
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Painter is a Boiler
He will learn from this and work his ass off.
by chihoosierguy on Dec 27, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't.
I even tried to start a round of applause the second time he came out to give him a little encouragement.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
I heard a few people
close to the cameras chanting Painter, Painter, Painter!
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Couldn't hear that
over the giant crowd of people near me shouting “We want Peyton!”
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
a good coach never ask a player to do what he knows he cant
Painter was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the wolves with an empty gun.
by thebossuzzi on Dec 27, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
The execution was even worse than the decision. Leaving the first team in long enough to either score or punt the Jets behind the 25 could have eliminated much of this discussion.
Painter had no chance and it is very discouraging that Caldwell and/or Polian couldn’t think it through a little better.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
do i really need to say anymore after the jets commenter said this
Was a 5 point game when the starters got taken out., you had just as much chance to lose the 2nd half as win.
ignorance, or they think our second string is as good as there first lol
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
Ignorance is bliss.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
I warn you now
there are a bunch of random people who came out of the woodwork in the threads…many of them were terribly annoying and offered very little to any discussion. There’s a lot of GRRRR Fuck Caldwell! He should be fired! Polian is a BITCH! And I know you read the threads
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
i know that, this comment was made by a jet and one of there prominant figures who i am trying to get to understand our side
//cough cough
//one of the heads
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Can't wait to read this one.
Wonder how many “We want Stover!” there were after Vinny’s missed extra point.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
He had
one catch prior to this game…made a few this game
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Adam
@Adam_Schefter No player appreciates NFL history more than Peyton Manning — this has to really rankle him.
Of course it does.
He works his butt off to achieve 14-0 only to have his dumbshit coach override the opportunity. What was Caldwell’s record at Wake Forest ……25-72 or something like that? Now, I can understand why.
14-0 overrides that.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
Cass, you could have coached this team to 14-0.....with Manning aboard.
So, it’s Manning being on the team……not Caldwell’s coaching ability. And, if you were coach, I hope you’ll let them play for the opportunity of being immortal……..and eventually winning the superbowl too in February.
I could have gotten to 14-0?
Really? I seriously doubt that.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
lazy...
sheesh, it is like you don’t know me at all.
Go Colts!
by Marked Hoosier on Dec 27, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
here is your link
http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted the win too
but people calling Polian and Caldwell a coward are over reacting and forgetting that the Colts are still the best team in the NFL
Pro bowl
So if a freak injury can affect the game, then why is the Pro bowl being moved to BEFORE the SBowl this year so the pro bowlers are in a game… before the day? They are obviously going to be drawn from the top teams….
It’s called Revenue.
Nice half full look at things
I am still pretty steamed (but have cooled way down from where I was), but I’m glad you posted something optimistic rather than to just bash away at Polian, Caldwell, and Irsay. I was pissed because of the way the whole situation was handled. We rest players every year, that is not that big of a deal. But how it was handled was completely unprofessional in every way. The fans are used to players resting, but when there is a chance to go undefeated, why don’t you address it if you are planning to rest people? I doubt there would have been many boos had Caldwell said the plan was to only play starters a half, rather than his misleading “we’re preparing like any other game” routine. And the fact that he rested players WHEN he rested players was the worst coaching move of this career. How bout get a better lead, than pull the troops? What harm is one more drive going to do? THAT was what pissed me off the most.
But you’re right. Anyone who is saying we are finished (i.e., all the random whiners who mysteriously created usernames and started posting comments this evening) is just stupid. This doesn’t hurt our post season chances, we will still field the same team we saw go 14-0, they will just be more fresh. I still say we are the #1 contenders, but the way the game was handled today by Caldwell and I assume Polian was a huge slap in the face to the fans.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
by npb1985 on Dec 27, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
My biggest problem
is not that they rested players after clinching #1 and, say having a 12-2 record or something. But they deliberately spat in the face of NFL history by essentially throwing away such an important “meaningless” game. This was by far the most important meaningless game in the history of the NFL.
I don’t see how any other team in the past or in the future would ever quit on a chance to go undefeated because they were scared that someone might get hurt.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
by AceOfSpades on Dec 27, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
That is why I was disgusted that we at least didn’t put one more TD on the board before pulling everyone. I cannot believe Caldwell did that. I believe that this will cause no long term ill effects, though, like some seem to want to believe, but I find it very hard to believe that the players supported Caldwell’s decision on this. They all respect him and will show him respect in the decision, but no way they were happy about it. If we win the SB, I will forgive this, but as of right now, I am very disappointed in how Caldwell handled this.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Caldwell and Polian
have got to be the biggest dumbfucks God ever put on the face of the earth. Tonight proved it. The Colts would be so much better off without their stupid intervention. Let Peyton coach! Or, get someone in there as coach who would be smart enough to say…‘as your new coach, I’ll do my best to stay out of your way and let you do your thing’. Caldwell is obviously not smart enough for that. They were 14-0. Don’t be stupid enough to fuck with what got you to that point. Keep the ship sailing. Caldwell and Polian obviously can’t figure that out. What a couple of idiots.
You're calling Caldwell and Polian dumb?
Do you think you may be overreacting a little?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
Cass
these all the calls of 85-90% of the posters after the games. You’ll soon find that when you read them all
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 27, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dang.
I may have to skip the comments after Painter goes in if this is all there is. I have better things to do with my life.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
then skip it it isn
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
worth it you didn't miss anything good
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps Cass, but I'm pissed.
Polian obviously has a good ability to evaluate talent and assemble some good players. Peyton Manning is the shining star draft pick which makes the ship sail though. And, yes, he drafted him…..so that was good on Polian’s behalf. Whoever made the decision to throw this game tonight (Polian or Caldwell) made an idiotic decision, which has robbed the team of a unique place in history. So, maybe it’s overreacting, but I don’t think so.
What about the pre season EVERY Year
Last time I checked the Colts rested the majority of their starters during the final few games of the pre season….as each team does. But the Colts still managed a way to go 14-0…they will be fine for the playoff push.
by ralew42blue on Dec 27, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I dont understand this,
forgive me. But the Colts starters only play a series or 2 in preseason and that W-L record doesn’t count toward the regular season
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 27, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
And every other team does the same thing
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
by Colts Homer on Dec 27, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I understand that...
My point is that the Colts resting players is done every year during the pre season. But then the starters are expected to play at game speed for 40 minutes in week one…which they do well at. “Rust” is not going to be the downfall come playoff time with THIS team with these veterans who have led this team and been through this all before previous years. I hated the decision too, but I understand why it was made. The season could be a lot worse than just dropping one game people. Lets put the game behind us…gotta have a short memory in football, right?
by ralew42blue on Dec 27, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for posting this, Mr. Bake
Or is that Mr. N Bake?
I think I’ll have more free time as well. After the last two posts, I can ignore all of the opinions of BBS and just read Shake, mgrex, and others.
This game was meaningless. Losing the locker room? Come on, that’s just silly. I’m fine with this strategy and am looking forward to the playoffs. Go, Colts!
You don't win championships by giving up.
It is obvious now that it is impossible for the Colts to ever reach 16-0. It is equally obvious that the Colts will lose next week as well. In fact, it is beyond all question. The Colts have given up on the rest of the season. For some reason there are those who seem to think giving up will have no effect on their performance in the post season.
Some will never learn from history.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Dec 27, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions
Buffalo University
would give the Bills a tight game. Not so obvious. Why don’t you take a nap or something or come down from the ledge at least? How would 16-0 have been better for the postseason than 15-1 or 14-2? You have absolutely nothing to back up your claim. However, the patriots went 16-0 and lost the Super Bowl and will forever be remembered as losers and cheaters. Seriously, dry your tears and quit acting like we are now on par with the Rams because of this game. I am pissed the way it was handled too, but you need to grow up, or at least know something more about football.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Backup
I have something to back up that claim. look at the past years that we’ve rested our starters. 0-1, 1-1, 0-1, 0-1. That’s our offseason record. We’ve won 1 playoff game with that strategy against a shitty wild card team (denver) and then we got raped by the patriots, playing some of the worst ball we’ve ever played the game after. Great strategy huh? We’re going to be so rusty that when we move we fall apart. History repeats itself.
by Pummel Polian on Dec 27, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
*yawn*
This so called argument has been dissected and discredited so many times around here, please tell me you have something more concrete than that. If not go root for another team.
"You're what they call a practice girl"
by danorocks17 on Dec 27, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
We had people hurt in the games we lost, too. Freeney, Mathis, Bracket, you name it, all hurt. But yeah, good point. Another idiot post, what a surprise.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
The only one here that needs to "grow up"
Is the little child who seems to think he knows what he knows something about football and Buffalo University. No, Painter isn’t going to beat Buffalo. Grow up indeed – infant.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Dec 27, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Haha WOW!
What a sensitive little thing you are? I could almost see your tears in your sad excuse for a response. Do me a favor cupcake. Don’t post anything unless you have any knowledge about football whatsoever. How about you offer a rebuttal than cry like the little pansy you seem to be. Go home and cry to your mommy.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
I'm afriad
That the players are done now. I’ve never seen a sideline look so distressed before. I’m afriad that Caldwell and Polian have crushed any chance of this team doing anything. If the Colts don’t win the Super Bowl, this is going to be an interesting offseason because there will be changes. It reminds me of the 2006 Chargers.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
The players will be more motivated.
Win the Superbowl and quiet the ridiculous overreactions that are happening now.
by agradecimiento a dios on Dec 27, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
I wish they would have lost to Jacksonville in Week One now
That would have been sweet.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
?
How is that?
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Mosquitoes are attracted to the color blue twice as much as to any other color.
Would we be freaking out right now
If this team was 13-1 going into this game?
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
by Colts Homer on Dec 27, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
No
the freaking out would have been done last week
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
by coltsfan723 on Dec 27, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
For what reason?
They would have won to be 13-1 and we would be fine and dandy.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
by Colts Homer on Dec 27, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's not the record....so to speak.
It’s the fact that we got to 14-0 through a lot of hard work and then the coaches intentionally bent over and took it up the butt when we were winning…..all in the name of resting starters. That’s not fine and dandy. In fact, it sucks!
Or else
I wish San Diego was 13-1 coming into this week as well.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
by Colts Homer on Dec 27, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well after I've had a chance to cool down and reflect on tonight's game....
I have this to say: Caldwell is a fucking idiot!
Sure, the timing was obnoxious, but...
I think that the timing had to do with the future flashing in front of Caldwell’s eyes right before D-Brown made his great reaction and protected Manning. Brown was rewarded with a couple tries at a TD (successful) and Manning was NOT looking to pass and risk getting nailed by a blitz. I think Caldwell was in wait-and-see mode as far as starters staying in (otherwise, why have them come out in 3rd quarter) but the risk of the big hit seemed too large for him to swallow after that play.
Now, to be clear, I think they should have gone for the win – that’s what the fans come to see, and the starters clearly wanted to go for it, too. However, Polian and Caldwell have a different philosophy (let’s be honest, does it matter which philosophy Caldwell has? I think that was Polian’s call) and it boils down to opinion as to which is the wiser course of action. However, what killed us?
1) Missed PAT
2) Dallas Clark mishandling 2 balls
3) Overthrown Wayne or Wayne a step off his route – whichever it was. So far, minimum 8 pts difference…
4) Kickoff returned for a TD… that’s 15 points already.
5) Blown protection that led to a fumble by a rookie QB, leading to a cheap Jets TD + 2 pt conversion… 23 points
These mistakes more than accounted for the margin we lost by. If the offense had put those points up they left on the field, and defense/special teams avoided just one of those mistakes, then we would have rested starters and still won the game. And we should have. So I don’t agree with some posters who said Painter was put out there to do something he couldn’t handle – Painter coming in was consistent with Polian’s resting plans, particularly once injury risk to Manning reared its head near the Jets goal line. I didn’t like it, don’t like it, but with some better first half execution by the starters and just avoidance of one of the two big mistakes in the second half, we’d all be okay with Polian’s philosophy tonight.
In the end, I’m bummed tonight, and my lucky shirt is in the dryer (first time washed since 10/27/08), but I believe that this team and these players are the ultimate professionals, and they’ll shake it off and be ready to take care of business in the playoffs.
Never have I seen a more spinless performance from Colts fans.
We lost a game and act like spoiled brats. Caldwell and Polian followed their script. Do I agree with it, no, but I’m not in charge of a franchise worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and neither are any of you. Who fucking cares what a biased media is going to say? Fuck, I could have written their “perspective” after the Painter fumble. 16-0 was never the goal, and you fucking knew it, but the JAX game made you believe something else. It is what it is, but if you want to wish ill will on any Colts player, you are either a troll (and many of the people on here today are), or you have completely lost all perspective.
As a fan, I would have loved 16-0, but in the grand scheme of things it’s meaningless without those last three wins in the playoffs.
I never lose perspective that I once watched a Colts team go 0-13 to “start” the season. I never forget how lucky we are to experience this era of Colts football. I’ll still be here long after Manning retires, and I’ll love my Colts.
by vintagephoenix on Dec 27, 2009 11:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
im sure thats true you have always been so positive and greatfull. why dont you go look at your comment from earlier i am pretty sure that
you have contradicted your self
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure I'm not AF.
…but I’ll look around…
by vintagephoenix on Dec 27, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
No, my response to Spaz's comment was how would I react if we were one and done in the playoffs, not my feeling about the current situation.
there’s no contridiction.
by vintagephoenix on Dec 27, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
i was pretty sure you were pretty unhappy earlier like many of the rest fo these guys, just saying your not totally
perfect and all high and mighty. (sorry just annoyed right now :) )
GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!
by TheAngelsColts on Dec 27, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
haha
http://store.theonion.com/product/onion-sports-im-qualified-to-make-uninformed-gm-de,236/
I found this funny.
"Brett Favre was a man who thought he was retired, but he knew it wouldn't last."
I understand the calculation of odds here BUT, I disagree with the assumptions
In a normal season, if the Colts were 14-1 and had everything locked up that could be locked up, I see no reason not to rest the starters.
But this was not a normal season.
I’ve seen a bunch of the talking heads claim that "they don’t give you a trophy for 16-0"
That’s right, they don’t, they only grant you IMMORTALITY!
Look, if I were to randomly approach people on the street and ask them two questions: 1) Who won Super Bowl VII and 2) Which NFL team had a perfect season, I’d bet you that I’d get at least three times more correct answers to the latter question. In other words, the greatest achievement of the ’72 Dolphins in the public eye was NOT winning the Super Bowl, but it was in having a perfect season (of which, granted, the Super Bowl was a part).
Someone wins the Super Bowl every year. But there has only ever been one perfect season. There is only one reason an NFL team gets together to drink champagne every year; there is only reason a team is mentioned every year someone appears to be making a run at perfection; there is only one thing that would end all the "greatest team of the decade" discussion—and it aint a superbowl folks (the Pat supporters will forever be claiming that three trumps two in the grand scheme of things).
Nay, men, these should have been Caldwell’s words at Halftime:
Then shall our names,
Be familiar in their mouth as household words-
Don the Shula, Csonka and Morris,
Buoniconti and Langer, Miami and Dolphins-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb’red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Season shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in New England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs’d they were not here,
And hold their little manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon this NFL day.
a random person
probably would answer that the pats were the ones with the perfect season. random people tend to not be smart
Polian sits down to pee
The Colt’s management have proven that they are pu$$ies You’re pathetic if you support that decision today. Quit being such a loyal fan and grow a pair, unless that is you are trying to get a job with the Colt’s front office were balls are considered a liabiltity…..
Worst decision ever, coupled with the biggest disappointment ever!!! TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!!
PS ALL YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS “WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL” freaks should SHUT UP!!!! I earned my right to complain long before you ever jumped on the bandwagon!!!
sad.....
Nothing like going into the playoffs riding a 2 game LOSING STREAK !
dude, ur playing the bills...i'll bet 100 bucks for the 2nd string colts to beat the 1st string bills
Oh come let's sing Ohio's praise,
And songs to Alma Mater raise,
While our hearts rebounding thrill,
With joy which death alone can still,
Summer's heat or winter's cold,
The seasons pass the years will roll,
Time and change will surely (truly) show,
How firm thy friendship... OHIO!!!
chinge tu madre putos
chupe mi pinga hotos, texans forever
No thanks...
But I will take a shot at your sister again, puto.
by peytonsurdaddy on Dec 28, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
It's the lack of integrity
that’s the issue. The NFL and the game of football are the most popular non’-NASCAR sport in America. The Super Bowl is the biggest media event in the world. These are possible because we believe in the game. We believe that the players play to win. We believe that the teams strive to build winning teams. We believe that the officiating is at least intended to treat everyone the same. In short, we believe in the game.
If teams aren’t playing to win, what are they playing for? If one team is not playing to win, why play the game at all? Just forfeit the game and refund the fans’ ticket money. More importantly, why are we watching?
If not playing to win is okay, are there limitations on not playing to win? Are these times okay?:
1. “Rest” players
2. Get a better draft position
3. Get a weaker playoff opponent
4. Mess up your brother-in-law’s Vegas bet
5. All of the above
6. None of the above
Thank you Shake!
I think this is a very good article and I would like to thank you for being rational about the decision that was made in the game yesterday. I am a believer that the undefeated season has never been the ultimate goal of this team and that even after the decision to rest starters yesterday, this team with rally together to continue on they journey for the Super Bowl. They will not let this one decision get in the way of another championship. So thank you again for this wonderful article!
Mgmt.=Losers
Management Polian specifically & ownership need to be ashamed of themselves.Caldwell has to do what his bosses tell him.I still love the players & will always support them but mgmt can choke on it. Every year they’ve rested the starters they get bounced 1 & done style.A team with a winning percentage as high as theirs only has 1 SB ring.That yr they had to play every week.Polian was 0-4 in Buffalo & we’re supposed to believe his strategy works.A player can be hurt reg. season or the 1st snap of the playoffs i.e. Carson Palmer.I’ve saw a lot of corporations state they are not renewing their suites or season tix. because of this.Fans paid hard earned $ & this is what they get not to mention a slap in the face to Peyton as they didn’t give him the opportunity to play for the record.Say what you want about the Pats but I’ve always respected the fact they have b.a.l.l.s. & truth be told if they played during the ’72 Dolphin era technically they beat their record.
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