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One of the great things about sports blogs like ours is the encouragement of varying opinions. I personally respect opinions that are grounded in logic and fact, especially since I am the type of guy who gets emotional. With our blog, we have some very solid, very well-written arguments for and against the decision to bench starters while the Colts were leading the Jets 15-10. These arguments are getting linked all over the Internet universe, and with so many people writing and posting on the blog recently, the articles deserve a special refresher for our readers:

Articles that are pro-benching

Articles that are anti-benching

If there are other articles on FanPosts here and at other blogs you'd like to highlight, please use the comments. Again, our goal is discussion, not to cram an opinion down your throat. Small side note: This decision by Jim Caldwell seems to mark the first time KingRichard and shake n bake have agreed on something. I mean seriously, talk about a hallejuah moment! If there is a positive I personally have taken out of Caldwell's decision it is that he managed to FINALLY get these two head-strong, talented writers on the same page about something. 

Next up, Jim Caldwell will end world hunger, broker peace in the Middle East, and help me find my cell phone, which I lose on a pretty regular basis.

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I think for the bottom columns....

you meant “Anti-benching”. Sorry, it’s a Monday morning and i am feeling especially persnickety :)

by shafnutz05 on Dec 28, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

LOL

Thanks for catching that. I corrected it.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 28, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Blogging doesn't just rule the universe,

It’s good therapy as well, I’ve bitched and moaned and groaned in my comments all over the place today. And you know what? I’m actually starting to feel bettter, just by venting.
NO MATTER WHAT I THINK ABOUT YESTERDAY’S DECISION, I STILL LOVE THE COLTS.

"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.

by Indy Lori on Dec 28, 2009 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

^^THIS^^

Sums it up for me.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 28, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree completely

While I am still deeply within stage four of the grieving process, I have to say that these blogs and opinions of fellow Colts fans have helped. If I were stuck with only Kravitz and Peter King today I would already be drinking.

by coltus on Dec 28, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed... I really am surprised how strongly this is affecting me.

I think my “moving on” yesterday has caught up to me and I’m now freaking upset about everything. I wasn’t even very nice at the poor girl that delivers food here.

But I feel a little better knowing I’m in the same boat as many. I still love the Colts and I love the fans.

I think the NFL should have a rule against resting… or something.

by diagenesis on Dec 28, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Lori is dead on again.....

But I don’t know what to do now for next week….I know we can beat the Bills, but will the first string start? If so, will they try to jump out fast? And if they do, will they get a bigger cushion before handing the game to Painter? I have a shot at $500, (thought not as good as before last weekend started) and it really tastes bad to pick against the Colts. Well, I’ll probably bet the Colts and cuss Polian and Caldwell again if they loose. Which tight end missed the block that caused Painter to fumble….Can we burn him at the stake just to get our yaa-yaas out?

by tim55 on Dec 28, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

My bet is that the 1st team starts...

Peyton is NOT going to hand over his consecutive starts streak…beyond that who knows? I’d say more than likely its contingent upon the weather….the worse the weather the higher probability for injuries, I think.

This feels soooo like pre-season, I’d be surprised to see the starters out there a full quarter.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 28, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Question

How is Peyton Manning’s consecutive game start more important than going undefeated? As John Bena pointed out in a thread yesterday, the team seems fine letting players pad stats for personal glory, but when it comes to going undefeated, management could care less. Seems like another slap in the face of fans.

BTW: Manning left the game yesterday after he passed the 50,000 yard career mark.

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by Brad Wells on Dec 28, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yes john bena had some good points actually all were good points.

first off it is fact that the will start the game. opinion that it will be only one drive. no i dont get why they will allow them to go after personal achievments but not a franchise and league one.

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 28, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Just stating an observation.

I did notice that he had passed the 50K mark before being pulled yesterday and questioned it as well. My observation above isnt by any stretch of the imagination support of what happened yesterday, just what I’ve noticed to be true.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Dec 28, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not necessarily pro-benching. I’m pro-do what’s best for the team so they can win another Super Bowl. Benching players just happened to be what’s best for the team. 19-0 would have been cool, but merely a cherry on the top of what is an already excellent cake.

Yes you may quote that.

"Yea, verily, we shall overcome thy pathetic attempts at defense, thou jelly-livered knave! Talk not of thy smack to me, for I shall wedge mine booted foot nine furlongs up thy ass, bitch! Canst thou dig it??"

by KingRichard on Dec 28, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

Mmm.. cake.

I don’t think what they did yesterday was the best for the team or the organization. I fervently hope we win the super bowl, but that’s still not the best for the team or the organization. The best would have been 19-0. It was within their sights. They had the lead in the third. They have a very, very winnable game against Buffalo next week. It was not an out of the question kind of goal. The three playoff games were always there, so five and half more quarters was very doable. Their timing sucked.

by diagenesis on Dec 28, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor us

I’m starting to think that Indy has a pathological inferiority complex. It’s not enough for us to have the best team in the NFL, no, we have to have the best team EVAR!!! How many other fans would gouge out their eyeballs for a 15-1 season? or even 14-2?

Last night was for fan rage. Today is for building a bridge and getting the hell over it.

"The best defensive player is the sideline." - Trevor Pryce, on how to stop Peyton Manning

by szquirrel on Dec 28, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

damn some people are clueless if you think all the hatting is because we lost. the fact is if we tried to play in the second half and

still lost ok but we didn’t we gave up. the loss hurts but isn’t what the main issue is

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 28, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all about our potential.

We underachieved on purpose. Those teams that would gouge their eyeballs never had the potential. This team had been playing so well, it could have. They deserved it.

by diagenesis on Dec 28, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Part of me is glad to have the monkey off our back...

the other part is pissed because we essentially gave the game away. Is there any doubt we would have won had Manning not come out? I think the fans and players deserved more than that. Caldwellllll!!!

by HappyLittleTreez on Dec 28, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

well we will see how this team plays after losing two straight and resting for 3 weeks. im sorry but no team is going to be as sharp

after 3 weeks off and being demoralized because of the way this game went down and then to lose again and go into the bye week weith a TWO game lossing streak

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 28, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

You know what

I’ve been playing my Madden franchise one game at a time. I think I’m about to go put it on rookie difficulty, blow out the jets and go to 15-0. Fuck real life, Madden football is therapy.

As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.

by skywalker on Dec 28, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

i think this is quotable and what the organazation is saying, just hope they get the result we all want
It is not the season that is remembered later,it is who held up the trophy at the end.2hell with the whiners.

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 28, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

if you think about it

Peyton does miss alot of games due to injury so i guess they were right to pull him

/sarcasm

As long as we have Peyton we will always have a chance to win.

by skywalker on Dec 28, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions  

14 and ONE

First, I agree with my buddy Hank (over at coltpower.com) told me yesterday – this decision was much more Bill Polian than Jim Caldwell. Bill runs the show in Indy. (Consider that Bill and Dungy butted heads on whether to draft Dallas or some unnamed defensive player – we all know who won that one.) Bill has never, ever gotten over losing Cornelius Bennett in that meaningless, last game of the 1999 season in Buffalo. He cites it every time the subject of resting starters comes up. One difference to consider is that the Colts were 13-2 heading into that game, as opposed to undefeated. As much as Polian wants to say there is no meaning in being undefeated, that position is clearly indefensible. There may be “little” or “minimal” meaning, but clearly there is something. This whole thing is driven by fans. We make these people extremely rich, and it obviously matters to fans, so that should give it some meaning. Bill clearly disagrees with this though, as highlighted by BBS.
 
This is a bit frustrating, as Bill is basically thumbing his nose at the people who ultimately pay his salary. I guess the popularity of the NFL can lead to some hubris, as evidenced by the frankness of his comments. Clearly, he does not care much about making friends with the fans.

Last week, Phil B. of the Star said, “the players are playing the whole game, unless they are being kept in the dark as to the plans.” After the game, Hayden made the comment that he had no idea they were going to pull people. Peyton seemed to be the only one with even a clue, as he said Caldwell had told him before the game that he might not play the whole game. That’s kinda crappy that they wouldn’t tell the players, and, I think, builds distrust.

I think the Colts now have more pressure than ever to win this year. Yeah, there was obviously an abundance of pressure before, but it has no doubt been increased. Although losing would have been disappointing (to say the least) before yesterday, I think we could have dealt with it on some level. Now, we’ve pushed all our chips onto the table. We’ve said, “we want to win the superbowl, and the only way that can be accomplished is by resting starters, regardless of whether that means we lose a game.” If we fail to win it all (again), the fan base and media will say “See, we told you! Your policy of resting starters doesn’t work!” People will be so pissed, I think it could lead to people calling for heads to roll. How can you blame that position? That will be 3 times that policy was followed, and 3 times it has failed. (I think there are other, more valid, reasons that we lost those games, but that argument will not be denied any further if it happens again.) Furthermore, even if we win, everyone will always wonder, “what if?” So, even if Polian wins the argument, he still doesn’t win.

At the end of the day, the thing I hate is that the decision has invited all kinds of bad vibes into a situation that previously had ZERO. Yesterday, our 14-0 team was being booed. When they put Caldwell’s face up on the jumbotron, people booed even louder. Imagine – an undefeated team and their undefeated coach being mercilessly booed on their home field. I wasn’t booing, but I don’t really blame other fans for doing it. The brain trust robbed us of an opportunity to see something truely special. There is a superbowl winner every year – but no team has ever gone 19-0. It also concerns me about the players mentality. Two weeks from the playoffs, and I guarantee the players are mad at their coach. They have to feel betrayed. If we are sore about not having a chance to see a team go 19-0, imagine how the players feel. They are the most ultra competitive people on the planet. Personally, I would be furious with my coach. Think of it this way – if you were playing high school ball, you were undefeated, and in the 3rd quarter, the coach pulled all the starters to put in freshmen, resulting in a loss, you would be upset with that coach for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. At least in ’05 we went down swinging. This year, we layed down. Regardless if whether it was right or wrong, whether it was the smart decision or a dumb one, it has resulted in a bad situation. Mad players, mad fans, and an unbelievable amount of pressure to win it all.

I don’t know what’s right, so I don’t really have a position. I guess in Polian we trust, but I can’t help but feel disappointment and concern where there previously was none. I can’t help but recognize that whatever it was we had going on is over, and there are a lot of bad vibes reverberating from the situation, which should not be in the mix at this stage of the season. I sure hope for everyone’s sake – Polian’s, Caldwell’s, the players, and ours – that we win it all. I hate to think of the carnage if we don’t.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Dec 28, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

yea didn't read all but the one thing like you were saying,

they said they would tell the players what was going on but sure didn’t seem like they knew, at least not all of them cause jeff satruday sure didn’t know

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 28, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Response

I originally sent the above rant out to my friends as an email. Here is a response that I thought had a good perspective:

I’ve noticed my interest in sports waning in the last few years. I don’t get the same highs and lows that I used to get. I don’t have to see every play. I can catch the highlights later or read about it tomorrow.
 
With that said, I’ve invested a lot of time, energy, and emotional well-being into sports, with the Colts being one of the three teams I’ve always cared about. If you had told me at the start of the season that we would win the SB, that would have been enough—I would have watched with pleasure and been gratified.
 
But then the regular season began to unfold. We snatched victory from sure defeats. We beat teams we shouldn’t have beaten. We beat teams that out-played us. There was something special going on. And I was feeling my sports groove again, happy to be part of something that could be remembered forever.
 
Today, I’m less of a Colts fan. I thought we had a deal. I’d accept the highs and lows; I’d invest my time and money, and they would do what they could to win it all. But “all” means more than just notching as many titles as possible. It also means taking the reigns when something special is unfolding. I want to put my energy into a team that is willing to go for it “all” when all of it is available. They broke the deal yesterday. They had a chance to not only permanently mark their names in the history books, but also to validate all that we put into it for them. It’s our team as much as theirs. We’re the ones that are still here when they retire.
 
I’m fully aware that some of this can sound ridiculous, but it’s part of the deal that is struck and must be maintained for the league to remain what it is. We have only one title because we’ve been soft. We’ve gone to the playoffs and haven’t been able to match the toughness of lesser teams. Yesterday was as soft as I’ve ever seen us. I’m getting tired of being part of something that is soft.
 
I think I’m more disappointed than the fans of the Steelers, Titans, Broncos, etc…. We deserve whatever we have coming. I suspect we’ll be out-toughed again. Even if we step up and take the title, it has way less meaning to me than it would have. We’re the team that didn’t want to be remembered forever. And I’m happy to oblige.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Dec 28, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

im dissapointed that they dont see the importance of winning? winning at ever opprotunity. am i wrong to believe that

the goal of a sports team is to win the game. you dont see a NBA team say hey lets go out and play but not try and win this game?? really since when in sports do you NOT CARE about winning. your suppose to go for the win. what ever happened to the one game at a time mentality??

GO COLTS!!! 09 IS OURS!!!

by TheAngelsColts on Dec 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Random Thoughts

I’m tired of this “No one starts the year saying they want to win every game. It’s division, seeding, Superbowl” line of reasoning. The reason no one says that is that it would be an unrealistic and unfair standard. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be achieved if it’s possible.

Are we suffering the effects of Buffalo losing 4 times in the superbowl?

People make fun of the Pats for 18-1 because they couldn’t close the deal. Even if we close the deal and win the Superbowl, we will still be subject to ridicule for our 18-1 season.

Polian said going undefeated wasn’t “our” concern. We know he is excluding the fanbase from “our.” What about the players? They wanted it. So, are they not part of “our” either? Who is “our?” Just Polian?

What if a losing team started mailing it in so they could get a better draft pick? What would the response be there?

Poor Painter. Way to set him up Colts Brain Trust. First NFL action and he walks out to boos each time he takes the field, and forever has to live with the fact that he personally gave up the go ahead score to let his team’s perfect season be destroyed.

The Shogun of Harlem

by shonuff on Dec 28, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

They better win the Superbowl or this decision will affect this club worse than what the brawl in Detroit has done to the Pacers. Even winning a Superbowl at this point feels like salvaging something instead of accomplishing anything. When I think of Patriot Superbowl victories I think of cheating. If, and it’s a huge if, the Colts win the Superbowl, I’ll always remember this victory as a massive disappointment and the year the organization that I put my heart into just ripped it out and stomped on it.

by Jeff28 on Dec 28, 2009 1:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks...

…about a billion for linking (pun intended) my article on the main page, BBS. I’ve been thinking about writing more and knocking my own ring rust off.

One thing about this debate we must not miss: the debate is necessary, but must not be divisive. We have a vibrant, active community here, and to damage that with our own hands would be the worst thing of all. I love reading this blog; I’ve never bothered participating anywhere else.

by linkish on Dec 28, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

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