Dallas Clark finally makes a Pro Bowl
After years of being a better tight end than Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates (yes people, I said it; and if you actually watched games, you believe it too), Dallas Clark finally was elected to a Pro Bowl. I mean, all he had to do to get on the roster was catch 93-friggin-balls and 10 touchdowns! That is a feat Antonio Gates has never reached, and he's been to (now) six straight Pro Bowls!
Unbelievable.
Now, for Gonzalez, he's caught over 90 passes and 10 TDs once before. However, Gonzalez has made ten straight Pro Bowls, and had he not been traded to the NFC and the Atlanta Falcons this year, he might still have knocked Clark out of the Pro Bowl just because of his resume. That, and Gonzalez was the only receiver worth a damn for Kansas City Chiefs for years. If QBs didn't throw it to him, their other options included the immortal Eddie Kennison, Dante Hall, and Johnnie Morton. Meanwhile, Clark has caught 93 passes and 10 TDs this year on a team featuring Reggie Wayne and two young, dynamic receivers in Pierre Garçon and Austin Collie.
But, whatever. It's nice to see the best tight end in football finally be recognized as such by fans, players, and coaches. I could care less about which players actually play in the Pro Bowl, but seeing deserving people like Clark get on the roster is kind of cool.
More Colts could actually be added to the team soon. The outstanding rookie safety from the Buffalo Bills, Jairus Byrd,was named to the AFC team. However, Byrd is on IR with a groin injury. So, it's not likely he will play in the Pro Bowl. This probably means Antoine Bethea will replace him. Bethea should have been named to the Pro Bowl over Baltimore Ravens safety Ed Reed because Bethea has, quite simply, played better than Ed Reed this season. But, Reed got in based on his past resume, which is one of the reasons why nobody takes the Pro Bowl seriously.
Also, DeMeco Ryans was selected over Gary Brackett.
Please.
I don't even know if Texans fans agree with that. Brian Cushing and Matt Schaub certainly deserved to get Pro Bowl nods though. The Cincinnati Bengals not getting a single player selected is another reason why this team selection process is laughable. Denver Broncos corner Champ Bailey made the Pro Bowl even though Johnathan Joseph of the Bengals played better than him and Oakland Raiders corner Nnamdi Asomugha. Bailey and Asomugha, like Ed Reed, got in because of their past resumes, not because of what they did in 2009.
Again, the Pro Bowl is a farce. That said, it's nice to see people like Dallas Clark finally get some recognition.
[UPDATE]: When I say "the Pro Bowl is a farce," I'm more referring to the selection process and the fact that some players get nods because of what they did in previous years, not the current one. I admire the NFL attmepting to make the game more relevant, even though some of the decisions (like playing the game before the Super Bowl) seem a bit odd. I mean, if two teams that feature 6 or 7 Pro Bowlers on each team reach the Super Bowl, there is exactly ZERO chance those 14 or so total players will play in the Pro Bowl prior to the Super Bowl.
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It doesn't matter how many
Colts get selected for the pro bowl….they won’t play.
They’ll be busy getting ready for the game a week later, right?
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Nice, but
I guess since the vote wasn’t unanimous the honour doesn’t really count and Clark’s place in Pro Bowl history has been forever tarnished.
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Asomugha didn't deserve the nod, but counting stats are a terrible way to make a case for or against a corner
If a hypothetical CB had 0 INTs, 0 PD and 0 Tackles, but the receiver he was covering never caught a pass all season, he’d be an all-pro corner. Those stats would be a bit better if the number of times they were the target in pass coverage was included.
The case against Asomugha is that the Raiders have been shredded by #1 WRs despite a pass rush that isn’t half bad.
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Where did you see this?
Your link’s broken. I was adding up the #1 receivers for him because you’re right, the best CBs in the league actually have crappy stats because being avoided is one of the biggest factors in how well you’re playing. Adding up who I believe are the #1 receivers (Pretty sure on most of them, no clue who Cleveland’s is so I just went with Massoquoi), he’s given up 968 yards, 64.5 yards per game, 67 receptions, 8 TDs, and 14.45 yards per reception. Now the yards per reception is high, but those other numbers aren’t bad vs #1 receivers in man to man coverage. He’s gone up against quite a few elite WRs.
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by monstersbox on Dec 30, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
second table here
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
the raw numbers aren’t too bad, but the DVOA is worst in the league. Which would mean high catch rate and lots of 3rd down conversions.
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by shake n bake on Dec 30, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Nice finds
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That doesn't completely mean that he was on the #1 receiver though
The Raiders, and other teams with great man-to-man DBs, sometimes put their stud CB on the #2 receiver and double the #1. After DeAngelo Hall got cut they did that last season. That’s a little too general to use it against him. But I do know that a #1 receiver only went above 100 yards (Vincent Jackson, 8/103/0) once against the Raiders. I added them up manually because I checked FO first and didn’t break it down. Guess I could look up “thrown at”, but honestly the Vicodin kicked in a couple hours ago.
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by monstersbox on Dec 30, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
they were terrible at #2 WRs too though
I’d love to have their gamecharter numbers on him, but this is the best we can do right now.
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by shake n bake on Dec 30, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It may be, but there’s so many variables involved in generalizing stats that you can’t really say a guy doesn’t deserve to be in the pro bowl based on them. And while they may be last in passing defense, you said it too, the raw stats are pretty impressive. Only one receiver going over 100 yards with more than a couple pro bowl receivers on the schedule isn’t anything to shake your head over. Besides, I’m not a huge fan of using receptions as a significant stat. That’d be like using carries to determine the talent of a RB. Nnamdi may not have even been on the field for some of those receptions.
I know last season I found something that broke it down in terms of individuals. I think that was at the end of the season though. Maybe I’ll find it again when I stop being a puddle of ooze.
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by monstersbox on Dec 30, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
but...
If a hypothetical CB had 0 INTs, 0 PD and 0 Tackles, but the receiver he was covering never caught a pass all season, he’d be an all-pro corner.
If you put Jason David on one side and me on the other, Jason David would be called the best CB in the league because no one would ever throw at him.
Its hard to prove if people are avoiding one corner or just picking on another.
When you get right down to it, none of us really know that much about coverage DBs, they are simply out of the TV shot way too often for us to judge them from home.
by TheNoodleMan on Dec 30, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
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Dallas
Alright, Dallas along with Mathis are probably my two favorite Colts not named Peyton. But it’s really hard to say that he deserved to make the pro bowl more than Gonzalez or Gates. I’ve watched him his entire career and almost had a seizure when he fractured his fibula his rookie season. And he definitely is one of the most exciting and trustworthy receivers in the league in my opinion. But the only season where you could honestly say he had a better season than the other two was last year’s. And Gates was playing injured pretty much the entire season. That’s pretty impressive. And Gonzalez being the only threat in the passing game for KC until Bowe got there is more a supporting argument for him than against him.
Dallas had a slightly better season than Owen Daniels. Daniels edged him on yards, but Dallas had 4 more TDs and 7 more receptions. But on the flipside, Gates had 2 more TDs than Dallas. In my opinion, receptions are a fluff stat as well. If that’s considered, Gates is having almost as good a year this season as Dallas as well. Dallas with 3 more TDs, Gates with about 100 more yards.
He honestly hasn’t been erroneously snubbed or anything. He just happened to be in the same conference as the best receiving TE in history and a sure first ballot HoFer in Gonzalez, and another TE who may be one of only a couple TEs that could challenge his stands and a probable HoFer in Gates too. It’d be kind of like Brees and Peyton both being in the AFC doing what they’re doing now season after season and the pro bowl only having two spots.
And like I said, I’m a HUGE Dallas fan. But I can’t take away from someone else just because a dude rocks my socks. Besides, Dallas will be a Pro Bowl staple from now on probably. Not to mention that he may never eclipse Gonzalez’s yards, but I think he’ll probably end up with the most TDs by a TE. The position is changing though. Not going to see the Ben Coates and Marcus Pollard’s of the world being considered insaneo receivers anymore.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/2902/gates-injury-plagued-08-a-blessing
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good point
Looking at the stats the last few years, Gonzalez and Gates have been better than Clark.
But he clearly deserves to go this year.
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Cushing
I know you’re pro-Cushing, and so was I until I saw him play. I’m not sure if you saw significantly more games than I did, and being that you guys probably get more AFC South games you probably did, but when I did see him play I was shocked by how much he was playing like a rookie. I saw him get straight punked more than once by Chris Johnson. At one point Johnson literally went “You and Me, let’s go” and Cushing got ran over like he was a DB not a LB. I also witnessed more than one extremely stupid penalties by him. Maybe it was just the couple games I saw, but what I did see wasn’t as impressive as the stats were. Besides, even though he got ran over and was laying flat on his back while Johnson dragged him for 4 yards until breaking free, he probably got an assist on the tackle or something.
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pass catching is what this vote is about
.. and that is a bit sad as a good tight end needs to be able to block as well as catch. There are a lot of stats here on catches. That is the flashy and easy thing to see. But what about the other phases of the game a tight end needs to do? How do gates and gonzalez compare there? I think in the TE debate that needs to be considered too… I still think Dilger was one of the best, and he was more of a blocker who could catch when needed. Unfortunately is the catching and TD’s that will always attract the attention
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You can't say
it goes by past records for every one.
LT did not get voted in this year. Even with 12 rushing TDs
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by 7_Painter's_First_Fan on Dec 30, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions
The probowl game should be eliminated
this should just be an honorary thing with a vacation included, but the game itself is just stupid.
Anyone feel that Schaub should have gone over Brady?
I think he’s having a better year. He only leads the NFL in Passing Yards. Sure Brady has more TDs but if you take out the 6 TD game against the Titans and the 4 TD game last week, then he has 18 TDs in 13 games.
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You can't completely discount those games.
I feel that he’s not as valuable to the Pats based on them being 11-5 last year without him. But he had a case to go in this year.
by agradecimiento a dios on Dec 30, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
DALLAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at least one dallas is doin good
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by 805 on Dec 30, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions
All I have to say is GO DALLAS!
Shame you won’t get to play but I’m sure you’ll live.
Not a troll. Just wondering.
what metric you were using to say that DC has been better than TG and AG for years. I assume that you are not a big believer of efficiency stats for tight ends (e.g., Football Outsiders). It matters, since yards and catches depend on number of throws and other variables that the player can’t control.
According TE efficiency (and the cumulative DYAR stat), 2009 shows AG and DC neck and neck at 1 & 2 (TG at 6). Raw stats are mixed. Yards and YPC favor Gates; TDs and catches favor Clark.
2008, Clark well above AG, but below TG. Don’t know about Clark’s health, but Gates was recovering from a fairly serious toe issue.
2007, AG ranked 1st, TG at #3 and Clark at #10. Raw stats favor Gates and Gonzalez as well. Similar for 2006, TG at #1, Gates at #3, and DC at #5 (DC played only 11 games before injuring his knee, but his efficiency was already way lower than TG and similar to AG)
I agree that Dallas Clark deserves the pro bowl nod in 2009. Raw and efficiency stats back it up. But the stats don’t exactly suggest that he has been better than Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates for years. You can argue that Gates and Clark have similar production over the last few seasons, but TG especially before 2009 has had consistently better efficiency stats.

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