No updates on Donald Brown, Robert Mathis
No updates as yet on the status of Donald Brown after he missed last Sunday's game with the chest injury. For those keeping score, Brown has suffered chest and shoulder injuries this season, forcing him to miss three games. He currently stands at 263 yards and two TDs. For a first round drafted running back, those numbers are not good.
Yes, he is averaging 4.5 yards a carry, but the potential knock on Brown coming into the NFL was that he would not be durable in this league. So far, that knock is holding true.
You all know that I personally have no patience with rookie running backs. They are either good right out of the gate, or they are trash. Running back is the easiest position to play in this league, and right now Donald Brown is not showing me why he was worth taking in the first round. Meanwhile, players like Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Pat Chung, Eben Britton, Rey Maualuga, Phil Loadholt, and even Beanie Wells are making significant contributions for their respective teams as rookies.
All were drafted after Brown.
We also have no update as yet on the status of Robert Mathis. Bill Polian made it clear that the injury was to Mathis' quad, not something more severe:
"Robert had a quad strain [Sunday] and we don't quite know the extent of it yet. He had some tests Monday. It's not a knee, so there's no need to worry about that."
Dwight Freeney suffered a pretty nasty quad injury earlier this year after the Cardinals win, but came back the very next week to play against the Seahawks. Will Mathis do the same? We shall see.
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Brown
From a talent standpoint, I think Brown has already shown he belongs in the league. He has not gotten a lot of opportunity, but that is due to Addai playing well and his injuries more than his talent.
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Luck is probability taken personally, clutch is probability attributed to individuals.
So weird and random
that is deserved 2 question marks.
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.
*it
Grumble grumble.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.
Ha!
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 8, 2009 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WHOOPS, brain fart.
I meant BBS, for this statement.
You all know that I personally have no patience with rookie running backs. They are either good right out of the gate, or they are trash. Running back is the easiest position to play in this league, and right now Donald Brown is not showing me why he was worth taking in the first round. Meanwhile, players like Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Pat Chung, Eben Britton, Rey Maualuga, Phil Loadholt, and even Beanie Wells are making significant contributions for their respective teams as rookies.
Mathis
I think we’ve all learned to take Polian injury comments with skepticism.
RB may be the easiest position in the league,
but what about “Colts RB”?
And who knows, if it weren’t for Brown’s carries, maybe Addai would be injured. Then we’d have no Addai and no Brown.
Sure would be nice to have Loadholt though.
by shoein on Dec 8, 2009 4:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very good point.
Spending more time in this offense would be beneficial for anyone. It will be nice when Peyton doesn’t have to Brown to the correct location pre-snap anymore. (Not that I blame Brown, I’m sure he will get the hang of it)
Yes!
I think the complexity of the O, and blitz p/u are why DB was limited a month ago. Edge was a football genius; it took Dom a couple seasons to get it, and Joe picked it up pretty fast (less thana season). DB strikes me as a sharp guy, so I say by next Labor Day, assuming he’s fully healthy, he’ll be a full-time capable starter. Instead of one good RB equivalent for a whole season, we will have to figure a way to fit 1.2 RBE units in in 2010.
But Loadholt would have been pretty sweet (value and need).
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
I agree
I love Brown’s potential, but so far, he has been disappointing because of all those injuries. Another good observation was all the players drafted after him, including Maualuga, Britt, and someone you missed: James Laurinaitis. I always preferred James over, well, anyone. Donald started in an impressive fashion but if he ain’t gonna last, then that pick was a waste.
It’s a tough league, he has to learn how to play in the NFL and specially, as a Colts RB (just as shoein mentioned).
Hope this guy can make it, has a lot of potential.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
I think Donald just has rotten luck.
There’s no clear picture of his talent, one way or another. He hasn’t played enough.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
Just watching the NFL network
Bill Polian said that Mathis’ injury would now have him considered as Questionable, and that he would be a game time decision so, we have to wait.
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
What's new?
That’s just the same as every other injury. Luckily, the quad is a very good place to get injured at, especially if he could stand up easily afterwards like he was.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
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and after that Gonzo's estimate
that was 2-6 weeks then he could miss the rest of the regular season as far as we know
"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady
I have no patience for stupid bloggers who make wide-ranging generalizations that lump players into two categories – fantastic or craptastic. Seriously, SB is only good for finding links to other articles written about the Colts. Big Blue Shoe lambastes journalists when they makes dumb generalizations like this, yet he can’t resist doing the same in his articles.
You're entitled to your opinion,
but this site is a lot better than you claim. I promise you if you visit it regularly you’ll know all you need to know about the Colts.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
"As I grow older, the list of people who can kiss my ass grows longer"-Ancient Hoosier Proverb.
BBS has called journalist far worse when he disagrees with their opinion, usually for making generalizations. Calling Donald Brown “trash” because he’s been injured for three games, in my opinion, is pretty rude. Worse, it’s ignorant.
I will apologize for insulting Stampede Blue overall, though. I shouldn’t have done that. I enjoy the site on a daily basis, mostly because it does a good job of posting everything that’s said by the MSM concerning the Colts. I also enjoy the community.
BBS, however, between being “glad” that Bob Sanders is done for the season and calling Donald Brown “trash”, strikes me as a bum.
by MileHighHoosier on Dec 8, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Then why do you post on here?
"Between the wish and the thing the world lies waiting."
— Cormac McCarthy (All the Pretty Horses)
by Addai Another Aday on Dec 8, 2009 6:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not taking sides on the issue
but everytime someone (and BBS has said this in the past) says that, it baffles me. There is a lot more to this site than BBS’ articles. I think one of the biggest attractions, atleast for me, is the community and the interaction. The site format is also very user friendly. There are a lot of reasons to come here and take part in the discussions.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
by SpazMo on Dec 8, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well - the only way is to not read his posts.
But, since he’s the head blogger they’ll be on the front page. Read Shake’s stuff, he’s quite fair and objective.
Well…since he’s a blogger on a blogging site I’m assuming he can pretty much say whatever he wants? Or in other words http://lmgtfy.com/?q=blogger
I’d probably go with the wikipedia one if I were you.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I think the injuries are holding Brown back
(yes, I’m Captain obvious) He showed me something in the first half of the season – a burst and a top end gear that Addai lacks. We see year after year a RB gets a shoulder injury and isnt the same the rest of the year, one hit and they are done with contact. Now its a chest. Hopefully he can get to 100%, because I’d love to see him run behind the “new” OL with their new philosophy (more up the middle, more smash mouth, less stretch). Addai is shining, but I really think that with his burst, Brown could hit some home runs.
Never doubt Peyton Manning, he’ll make you look silly
Joseph Addai is a good running back.
Im a douchebag, an asshole, and I'm rarely right.
You forgot to mention
Brown also has over 150 yards recieving to go with those rushing yards. His durability does scare me a little bit too, but I think he will be back no later than next week nd hopefully he will stick for the rest of the year. I think we will get a real gauge of him then when he comes back to our improved run blocking. He has shown ability to be a real weapon and I am not quite ready to pull the bust trigger on him yet…
i cant believe this idiot is a colts fan
ok first of all if its so easy to play running back—why isnt big blue idiot out there pass blocking picking up blitzes-running the ball catching the ball. and 2nd we didnt draft brown to be an everydown back—he was drafted to be a complementary back. addai hasnt exactly been the measure of running back excellence himself. can we please get someone on here thats not a bonehead to write these articles
Wow...
Addai does his job. He is praised day in and day out by Bill Polian. Indy is a passing offense not a running offense. All Addai has to do is gain enough yards when he runs to get the defense to bite on play action. And all this year, especially of late, he has has been VERY good at picking up the necessary yardage. And you have never posted ANYTHING on this site. So lets see how good your work is before you start bashing someone else’s work. BBS has the right to his opinion just like you have yours. So maybe instead of bitching about it, you should just stop reading his posts if you have such a problem with what he writes.
Bob Sanders does not play Hide-and-Seek, He plays HIDE and PRAY-HE-DOES-NOT FIND-YOU!
Hard to judge DB's performance at this point
I don’t think we are quite ready to call DB a first round draft bust. I agree with a few of the other folks, he has simply had some rotten luck with injuries. The guy plays really hard and will need to learn and adjust to “NFL hits”. As you all know, college is a completely different game than the NFL. There is a learning curve and he will get there.
Meh - It's tough that Brown has been injured lately, but I think he'll be fine.
Since it’s his first year and if he’s chronically injured 2 years down the road, then maybe we can call him injury prone.
Besides, say the Colts drafted those players mentioned above and they get injured like Brown. They’d be contributing just as less at this point. The comparison is moot.
Classic Overreaction
He’ll be fine. He’s already exhibited excellent skill. He’s a freaking running back in the NFL which means he’s going to get dinged up.
"If you don't pick me, I'm gonna kick your a## for 15 years." Peyton Manning to Polian, prior to 1998 draft.
Not a bust and it's not even rational to bring that up in his first year
It’s far, far too early to call Brown a bust. He could simply have hit some bad luck in his first year. Reggie Wayne and Edge both had some injury issues early on. Brown will be fine. He’ll only get better as the year goes on and as he gets more acclimated next year. Dungy, and virtually every Colts player I’ve ever heard talk, always says that the second year is the year rookies make their biggest leap. If he returns this year, he’ll serve us well. IF not, we’re more than fine with Addai, Simpson, and Hart. Frankly, I want Addai in there as much as possible; rotate him with the others to give him a breather and keep him fresh. He has been an absolute monster as the game wears on.
Remember when everyone wrote off Meachem as a bust? That dude is a touchdown machine.
All those rookies you listed
what exactly have any of them done to make them better picks than Brown, other than they have not gotten hurt? Britt and Nicks would have been wasted first round picks, seeing as Garcon and Collie have been studs. Pat Chung? Not better than Sanders, not better than Bethea, not better than Bullitt, and as their second round pick, has he helped the Pats d at all? Nope. Loadholt and Britton? Two good offensive tackles that could help the run game, but Addai benefits more from having guys like Brown taking carries and him getting a little rest rather than another o-lineman. Maualuga? Good, but our crop of LBs is good and he would make no immediate impact. Would I take him over Moala? Absolutely. Brown? No.
The last guy deserves his own paragraph. Beanie Wells. Are you serious with this? First you say a first round RB must produce immediately, which is false anyway, but how is he better than Brown? He is a head case, he fumbles, and he was drafted to be the STARTER. And you wanna talk about durability issues? Did you have your head turned Wells’ entire college career? The guy was hurt through most of his career. He has done nada this year aside from a few games against crap defenses, and has gotten many more carries than Brown. Do you think the Cardinals really wanted Hightower to start most of the year when they drafted Wells? I’d take Brown, who has been productive in limited PT, over Wells, who was basically slotted as the Cardinals starter on draft day and has done very little with that opportunity.
Brown was not drafted to be the starter. If he was, I might agree w/ you to an extent that he needs to make a bigger impact. But he was drafted to make the running game stronger. He was drafted to be an explosive back who warranted 10-15 carries a game, so Addai did not have such a workload. He was not drafted to replace Addai. He has gotten injured a bit, but nothing that should worry anyone. He is a rookie. When he has played, he has played well. He will continue to grow.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
The real question
What about Vinny? Is he coming back or not?
We need to get this sorted out quick because a rusty Nougatieri is going to be more of a burden than anything else IMO.
Also, I’m surprised that they haven’t put Sorgi on IR and signed Dom Rhodes or someone else yet. Sorgi is worthless if he is injured. It must be a sham injury.
I don't always drink beer....but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
We need a good running game so bad.
Its killing us completely. I mean we are SERIOUSLY lucky that we were able to win against the titans by making spectacular defensive plays in the end zone to keep the titans from scoring, but there is NO WAY IN HELL we are ready to face any serious team with this kinda running. We only scored 3 points in the entire second quarter against a team that is not ranked up there in pass defense.
Our passing game is in pretty bad shape. Manning and garcon are not connecting well. One good pass per game is not enough. Reggie Wayne is always covered. Thankfully clark is a good option on most days but if he is covered too, then we have a huge problem. Our running game needs to step up for play action pass to succeed. Otherwise we are one and done in the playoffs.
Oh - you and I must be watching different games the last month
Garcon struggled for a few weeks after his great start but has really been fighting back, hanging on to balls when he’s getting drilled (see Baltimore and last week versus Tennessee), plus he had a very nice one-handed catch against Houston, I believe. He had butter fingers for awhile, but has adjusted nicely.
correction
We score 3 points in the second half sorry.
Please bring brown back
by floydianbinge on Dec 8, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
They were playing conservative and had a 7+ minute drive in the...what was it? 4th qtr?
Unlike last year, I believe the Colts are running more efficiently and as opposed to earlier in the season, they can get short yardage when needed. Brown is good, but there was a reason why he may not have played as often as some had expected.
As stated in various other areas, Brown was having trouble picking up blitzes and aside from just ‘running’ a Colts RB needs to run, block, and catch. The running and catching seem going well for Brown, when he played, but his blocking is still a work in progress. Despite what some people may think about Addai, he has shown to be a very well rounded back and has been playing very well lately.
Either your a complete idiot
or are schooled in the ancient art of sarcasm. Addai is averaging 4.1 yards a carry his last 5 games and has made huge clutch runs for us against very good defensive teams. Dancing Joe has transformed into something much more fierce. Brown is good, yes. Simpson has played well and Hart played good last game as well. We’re 1st in passing yards too, bud. Garcon had 126 yards on 6 catches last game. That is big time player caliber. Wayne is always covered? You mean that one game when a pro bowl corner was on him? Yeah, we’re screwed there. Lucky against the titans? We dominated that entire game and played conservative when the game was ours, i.e., in the second quarter. Honestly, your “points” are not only false, they may be the dumbest attempt at an argument I’ve heard in a while. What happened to your point about if we didn’t score more points against all the other teams this year, we would have lost? Did you hit post too fast? Maybe next time.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Stats from some 1st rd RBs from their rookie year
G GS Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
A) 14 3 134 673 5.0 48 4 19 189 9.9 28 0 1 1
B) 13 2 121 501 4.1 31 1 33 313 9.5 41 1 1 0
C) 9 0 59 263 4.5 45 2 10 157 15.7 72 0 1 0
None of these guys lit the world on fire their rookie year. Their decent, but definitely not “good right out of the gate.” C is obviously donald brown. He has good numbers in limited game appearances. But A and B played full seasons and didn’t look all pro, so by your definition, they are “trash.” RB A is Steven Jackson and RB B is DeAngelo Williams. So it is not only ignorant and unrealistic to think that a rookie RB is trash if he is not a star out of the gate, especially when he is a freakin’ backup, but it is down right 100% wrong. If two years down the road he is not producing, then go ahead and blast away. Rookie season, though? You expect too much.
"A lot of times, Kenny, we have no idea what we're doing. But the DEFENSE doesn't know that we don't know what we're doing.....and that's next level." -Peyton Manning
Excellent!!
I was personally thinking of DeAngelo Williams myself!! Brown will be given a chance…a bust? Not even close. I put this thread under the bad journalism title!!
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He has only missed three games and he is averaging 4.5 yac
Clearly the problem isn’t lack of production, Joseph is just playing too effectively to put Brown in. You can’t fault DB for being picked by a team that already had a very good running back. Given some more time I am confident he will earn more playing time as he learns the system better and makes the physical leap between rookie and sophomore that BP is always talking about.
Anyone who has a problem with Joseph should stop watching Colts football. It's unfair to expect a back to replace Edge, and Addai has been excellent in all areas when he is healthy.
I will say that
The 4.5 YPC is a little inflated by his 50+ yard run against the RAMS. However, his 13 or so yard TD against the Fins was a thing of beauty. Overall, he shows flashes of greatness, lets give him the benefit of the doubt this year unless he makes a monumental mistake that gets us eliminated from the playoffs, then I will be calling for his head too. I expect he will put on 5-10 lbs of muscle working out in the Colts weightroom this offseason and will be less injury-prone. As long as he can stay healthy, I see a bright future for DB. Him and Addai could be like another Stewart-Williams.
Inflated???
WTF??? A 50 yard run is a 50 yard run right? How does that inflate anything? Are Chris Johnsons numbers inflated because he has multiple 85 yard runs?
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Cry me river big shoe..
The Colts system is not easy for running backs. Thinking so, shows sever ignorance. Brown will be a great Colt – mark my words, copy them, paste them, write down the date when I wrote it. Donald has been doing just fine and will be a stud.
Gotta Disagree
BBS, I love your articles most of the time but in this case….you are wrong.
First, the Colts O-Line is average at best, forcing our RB’s to block more than they ever have in recent years. That alone can cause injuries that normally wouldn’t occur.
Secondly, conditioning in year one is hard for many players, especially if they aren’t getting on the field often enough. As much as I hate to say it, the Colts are not playing Brown enough….
Third, we’ve all gotten spoiled by the fact that the Colts have had 3 previous RB’s come in and do very well right out the gate (Faulk, Edge, Addai). Sure, Addai’s numbers have fallen off, but that is easily explainable in the way the O-Line has played in 2007/2008. The numbers are going back up this year, as the line has solidified once more…
You are talking about a guy who has played very limited snaps in most games and even had he been healthy for the 3 he missed, again, how much time would he have actually gotten on the field? This isn’t just his fault…that can also simply be the play calling as well.
Lastly, while not a RB, Reggie Wayne was a 1st round pick and his first year was absolutely abysmal.
Both Collie and Garcon in 12 games this year have 150+ more yards than Wayne had in 13 games his rookie year. Shoot, Garcon in what really amounts to his first year….has virtually the same yards in 12 games than Wayne had in his 2nd year total (16 games).
You just cant focus on 1 year of production to label Brown a bust, especially in a year when our offense was essentially in transition via losses/injury on offense. Regardless of how we look right now, those changes alone have had an impact on how this team has played this year.
Wow
Well now you have crossed the line. I understand everyone is entitled to his own opinion but come on. How can you consider yourself a Colts fan? All this time you have been bashing Sanders, after the pretty much won the only SB in Peyton’s era. Now Brown, it’s not like he missed the whole season he missed 3 games… Get over it, injuries happen in football! He has been productive enough for a rookie that’s learning offense, which I’m sure is not easy to do.
Brown rocks.
Its not Brown’s fault that we seem to always want to use Joe Addai. While I am not usually an Addai fan, he has been running fairly well as of late.
Long story short, we need to use Brown and Hart more…
Brown is hurt ATM.
We can’t use him more.
"I am in favor of censorship ‐ not against what is supposed to be sexy or dirty, but against what is idiotic." -Jean Renoir
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak.
I think
What Naptown was trying to say was that by limiting the play of Brown and Simpson, we may actually be increasing their chances of injury as they are not getting enough reps on the field.
It sounds silly, but the more you sit and then play one or two snaps and then sit again, the more likely you will be injured. You try to overcompensate, you try to push it, or you simply don’t get into a rhythm which most players prefer…
by DevilsReject on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions

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