Thoughts on Super Bowl 43 and the 2008 season
by Brad Wells on Feb 2, 2009 11:11 AM EST
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PrintThe game is over. I've sobered up (and hopefully, so have you), and with sobriety we now look back at the great game that was Super Bowl 43 between the Steelers and Cardinals. Please understand, my observations might not be popular at this point in time, less than 24 hours after a game was decided on a great TD reception with just 35 seconds left. But, it's my take, and if you don't like it, by all means discuss yours:
- This was a great game that featured two unspectacular teams. Lots of penalties between these two clubs, and LOTS of sloppy defense. The Fitzgerald TD was one of the biggest boneheaded defensive calls I've seen this post-season. Dick Lebeau is a great coach, but he almost cost his club a Super Bowl with that F up.
- For all those who think a team simply MUST run the ball to win in the playoffs, you can kindly STFU now. The Steelers gained a stellar 58 yards rushing, averaging 2.2 a carry. The Cardinals gained 33 yards, averaging 2.8. In this league, you must throw to win. Running the football is important, but highly over-rated. And people who swear that running the ball is more important than great QB play know nothing about modern football.
- Ike Taylor stinks. He can't cover anyone. He also has two rings. Go figure. Just goes to show you that pass rush is everything.
- Willie Parker is a tough dude. He was getting blown up on several running plays, but he got right back up and kept going.
- Ken Whisenhunt sat Edgerrin James in the second half (after Edge spent most of the first half gaining first downs on the ground and through the air), and the Cardinals lost. Ken Whisenhunt is not a very good coach.
- Enough with the dumb Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer crap! John Madden even got in on this. He said if Warner wins the game, how can people not say he is a Hall of Famer? Well, he lost, and his 99 yard INT returned for a TD was the difference. Warner also lost 2 fumbles. Gee, what a surprise. Look, I know this is hard for stupid people like John Madden and Fanhouse's Michael David Smith to understand, but three years of great football and six years of bad football do not make a Hall of Famer. Hall of Famers are consistently great, year in and out.
- Warner played awful in the game. I know is QB rating was high. Means nothing. Three turnovers, one returned for a 99 yard TD with no time left before halftime. Unforgivable turnover. Cost them the game. To give you some perspective, can you imagine if Peyton Manning had the kind of game Warner had? The media, and the net, would be roasting him alive right now. And since Kurt Warner is better than Peyton (or so these schmucks think), Kurt gets roasted.
- Santonio Holmes' catch is greater than Dwight Clark's.
- James Harrison should have been thrown out of the game. He totally came unglued in the second half, and almost cost Pittsburgh the game. Lost a lot of respect for him. Real champions do not lose their cool like that in big games. He's lucky Big Ben and Holmes bailed his dumbass out.
- Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie (not his cousin Antonio) stinks. Yes, he made a nice play on an under thrown ball. Um... wow. Re-watch the game folks. The guy cannot tackle to save his life, and his coverage skills are pedestrian at best. Tipping an under thrown ball may impress John Madden (who still thinks the word "Turducken" is funny), but not me.
- Kurt Warner's wife needs to go away now. The TV cameras cut to her verbally asking God for help during the game. That made my stomach turn. She was actually PRAYING for the Cardinals to win. Not for world peace. Not for an end to hunger. For their team to win a friggin game. The Warners = Silly people.
- I'm sick for Edgerrin James. He was playing so well.
- I'm very happy for Mike Tomlin. Vikings fans hate their owner right now.
- Two of the last three Super Bowls were won using an offense designed and pioneered by Tom Moore and Peyton Manning.
- Just to let you know how ridiculous TV is, look at the NBC studio coverage. Tony Dungy and Mike Holmgren were guest analysts, along with... get ready... Matt Millen. Why NBC soiled their studio chairs with Millen's putrid presence, I don't know. But, if you watched the pre-game and half-time analysis, both Dungy and Holmgren looked stiff. They also didn't offer much. The person who looked relaxed was Millen, who spent much of the time talking out of his fat ass.
- Bruce Springsteen slamming his boss into a TV camera during the halftime show was priceless! his halftime show rivaled Prince in Miami back in 2007.
- Heath Miller is the most under-rated TE in football.
- Darnell Docket is the most under-rated defensive player in football. He's also a better DT than Albert Haynesworth.
- Pittsburgh won a Super Bowl with one of the worst o-lines I've seen in recent playoff history. A safety in a Super Bowl? Sheesh.
- Cardinals o-line did a solid job all night. Warner, and Warner alone, was responsible for all three of his turnovers.
- And finally, while Ben Roethisberger now has two rings, let's hold off on him being considered a "great" QB now. Steelers fans may disagree, and that's fine. They're wrong, but whatever. Roethisleberger is not in Brady or Peyton territory. Maybe he will, one day. But, the fact is Ben's had one great season, and it resulted in a first round playoff loss (2007). Ben is great at last second heroics, and he had several of them in 2008. But great QBs are consistently great, and that is what Ben lacks right now: Consistency. Yes, I know he has two rings. Byron Leftwich now has a ring. I guess that means he's as good as Peyton Manning, right? QBs do not "win" Super Bowls. Teams do. Without James Harrison's 99 yard TD, or the two fumbles the defense recovered, Ben is in no position to drive to win the game. And people who use Super Bowls as the be all and end all "stat" to judge individual player greatness are stupid people (like The Big Lead, who I love, but his Roethisberger comment is sheer stupiity).
In the end, a season defined by injuries and horrible officiating had two rather unremarkable teams facing each other in the championship game. I don't say this to be harsh. I just call it as I see it, and sometimes what I see is not what others want to hear. These were two rather unspectacular teams that played a very entertaining game. Both certainly earned the right to be there. And for their fans, what I say means very little. I think it is great Pittsburgh now has more rings than the Cowboys. Can we start calling the Steelers America's Team now? I think so. They are a helluva lot more relevant now than the crappy Cowboys, who haven't won a playoff game since Bill Clinton was president.
So, 2008 is now finished. Now, we look forward to 2009. Hopefully, it will offer a better season for NFL fans than this last one did.
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Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Antonio Cromartie is his cousin and a Chargers CB.
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Thanks
Copied in wrong name. :)
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halftime show and the commercials <<<<<<< hour long The Office after the game
http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/video/episodes/?vid=982421#vid=982421
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I swear it won't make me or break me
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My favorite is still Tom Petty.
but, he’s number 1 or 2 on my list of all time faves…biased.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 2, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
To be honest
I did not watch any commercials during XLI or the halftime show. I was eating or in the bathroom for all of them. But the Boss was awesome.
Here's the Harrison PF
http://i40.tinypic.com/whbja8.gif (via KSK)
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I still don't think the Holmes catch was a catch
Check it
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/nfl.super.bowl.XLIII/content.1.html
That’s taken at the exact moment he establishes “control” of the ball. Look at his right foot. It’s not touching the ground. And at no point does it touch the ground. It starts off on the ground, but go here and look at these images:
http://superbowl.fanhouse.com/page/2/
62 – Toes off
76 – Toes on, pre catch
130 – Toes on pre catch
151 – Toes off
152 – Toes on pre catch
213 – Toes off
247 – Toes off
263 – Toes off, also, look at the positioning of the feet, his right foot rested on his left the entire time
It’s almost literally splitting hairs, but like I said, in my opinion, it wasn’t a catch. And man, Harrison’s a punk. Definitely should’ve been ejected.
And our favorite guy in response to:
“I was really surprised on that one because I was definitely moving my arm forward to throw the ball,” Warner said. “I thought I’d almost gotten the ball off, so yeah, it does surprise you that in that kind of situation – five seconds to go to decide the Super Bowl – you would think it was something they’d do. But maybe somebody saw it clearly.”
"According to NFL VP of Officiating Mike Pereira, the replay official upstairs did see the play clearly.
“We confirmed it was a fumble,” said Pereira. “The replay assistant in the replay booth saw it was clearly a fumble. The ball got knocked loose and was rolling in his hand before it started forward. He has to have total control.”
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I am with you monstersbox - it was not a catch
I was screaming at the TV the whole time that his right foot was hooked around his left. He was also REALLY REALLY adamant after the game that there was no question it was a catch, making me think he was trying to convince himself and his teammates.
The problem with this one was the angles available. The aerial view lacks depth perception that would show that the toe was off the turf. I was yelling for the ref to check his shoes to see if there was any paint on them.
Oh well.
Yep
I was almost positive I saw his toe caught on one of his spikes. And that the angle he was coming down at, it was pretty hard to have your foot in that position and it be on the ground at the same time. I personally thought it was clearer than overturning the Ben TD in the first. But then again, it was less obvious than the “fumble” by Kurt at the end.
Just seems the teams that get the calls (New England cough cough) and not the Steelers determine the Champions.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
The Cardinals
not playing defense the last two minutes determined the champions….they had the Steelers 1st & 20 but gave up huge yardage the next play along with numerous missed tackles thereafter…and with the catch in the endzone, it had to be disputable evidence to reverse the call and I do not think there was.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Feb 2, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'll send you an e-mail
You check the one in your profile? I just sent one to a friend of mine, I’ll send you the same one. It’s pretty clear that it’s not a catch. Granted I don’t know what camera views he had, but I’ll show you what I mean.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I’m not sure what camera views you had, but the one they showed from the opposite end zone you could clearly see that he got both feet down with possession of the ball.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Well you're wrong
Because I’m looking at highspeed camera shots. And it’s pretty clear cut. The laces on his right shoe got caught on the spikes of his left. And you can’t say when he initially touched the ball he had control because he switched it from two hands to his right hand. How bout you give me an e-mail and I’ll send this to you too?
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
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hit me up too
the e-mail in my profile is a very good way to get a hold of me. I almost always keep it open in a tab.
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I cant get over
Why the Cards didn’t blitz in the final minutes of the SB when the blitz had been working all night. Roethlisberger sucks when he is being pressured and I think thats what defensive coordanators will expose next year if the Steelers dont improve heir O-line. I think if the Colts Blitz Bob Sanders more and drop our so called fasted line backers into coverage, we will have a bad ass defense. A good DT would help too. Let the drafting begin.
Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......
The Steelers
Dominant defense will probably be decling pretty quick. The Cards are doing exactly what the Colts and Titans did to them. Spread them out, do some dinks into the vacated seams. It’s only a matter of time.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I thought at times they have Big Ben pressured but they couldn’t get the freakin guy down…its usually make or brake when he holds the ball that long, but luckily last night for him ( I still wanted the Cards to win) it was more on the make side.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Feb 2, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
What???
Watching the playoffs this season, I learned one thing…its that Roethlisberger is pretty mobile and makes a lot of positive plays especially when he is under pressure!! Its great to come out saying that is what coordinators are going to expose next year…hell they just won the Super Bowl! Throw me in that briar patch.
Roethlisberger leads the league in, "Plays that would have been an interception for a touchdown if any other QB, including Brady and Manning, in the league did what he just did, but there is a four-leaf clover up his ass, so its all good’ plays.
Seriously, the ‘close my eyes and toss it 5 yards across the field to Santonio Holmes and lets hope the Ravens’ DB slips and falls and that Holmes gets a billion YAC on the play’ play in the AFCCG coupled with the ‘3rd and 10 let me run around for 5 minutes in the backfield, do a ballet move then throw it to the sideline and hope my blocker turned receiver tight end is right there and not some defender but i wouldnt know because i don’t really need to look’ play last night are just mind boggling.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
That pretty much
Sums up his TD pass to Holmes to a T against the Ravens. I swear I think he closes his eyes on most plays. The only ones I think he keeps them open for are the ones he throws interceptions on. I no joke said when the Steelers had the ball with ~2 minutes left “Alright, he has about an 80% chance of throwing an INT now.” And then when they had that roughness penalty on the holder I said “Well, it just gives him 3 more chances to throw an INT.” and I was THIS close to being right.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
kurt warner
needs to learn how to step up into the pocket! what an idiot.. he just sits back and then his lineman have to hold so he doesnt get killed.. step up in the damn pocket man!
"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team
lol, then his center steps on his feet
Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......
by colts9318rock on Feb 2, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
What a game...
with all the Cards mistakes, they had the lead with a couple minutes left in the game. It made it exciting, at least.
Sigh… can the season start up again next week? Please?
Go Colts!
Steelers and pathetic NFC West team
This is just the same superbowl as 3 years ago. A pittsburgh defense that beats up on a hapless NFC west team who everyone wonders how they got there. This wasn’t a ‘great game’ this was a game where you were wondering who would make the fewest mistakes. I gave up going into the 3rd quarter.. It just wasn’t that interesting. It was only close at the end because of all the mistakes that got made… not great play.
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know everything about nothing...
hmm, Steelers and a NFC West team in the Super Bowl this year
The next Super Bowl in Miami, that’s very similar to what had happened after Super Bowl XL. Do we see our beloved Colts heading back to Miami minus Coach Dungy and the monsoon?
the penalties were abundant, but this game was way more entertaining than super bowl XL.
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by torontocoltsfan on Feb 2, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
I have no recollection of Super Bowl XL
Even though I wasn’t a football fan then, I remember previous Super Bowls like the pats and the Bucs (I’m too young to remember the ones from the 90s except Rams-Titans; that one was in the 90s, right?), but not that one. It must had been a sorry game.
Warner had two turnovers
Not that I disagree with the assessment, but one fumble was picked up and another ruled an incomplete pass. Only the play at the end and the int were turnovers.
He had two fumbles
And lost them both: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=54465&season=2008&displayPage=tab_gamecenter
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NFL.com scores lost fumbles as any player not himself picking it up—including a teammate.
Arizona Cardinals (9-7-0)
Total Net Yards 407
Penalties-Yards 11-106
Time of Possession 26:59
Total Turnovers 2
The non-lost was the misplayed snap to Edge, IIRC.
Ok
Two turnovers, two fumbles (one lost). I hate NFL.com’s stats. :)
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Actually no
Warner had the ball stripped from him twice in the game, unless I’m losing my mind. Both times he claimed his arm was going forward.
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He got the call on the first one.
Incomplete Pass.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 2, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ok. That’s why I got it confused. Thanks.
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Great game
I agree with you about Rothlisberger, although how he slipped through the Cardinals defense and escaped being sacked a couple of times was pretty impressive (or pretty poor tackling on the part of Arizona). Big Ben has two Super Bowl rings, but Ward and Holmes were the MVPs.
Keep the faith!
Ben
I still think Ben is a helluva QB. He convinced me of that last year. But there is a big difference between him and the uber-QBs of Peyton and Tom.
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Kurt Warner will go to the Hall, no matter how much you complain about it. Multiple MVPs, multiple Superbowl trips, multiple rings…he’s done what people look for.
I suspect Roethlisberger will end up there as well.
Also, I think Millen’s an alright analyst, no matter how ridiculous he is at being a GM.
The game was kinda meh – especially in the first half – but the finish was outstanding. Which is more than enough.
And finally, the game wasn’t lost by Warner throwing than INT – though it didn’t help. The game was lost when the Cardinals went into pussy mode on the finals Steelers drive and absolutely categorically refused to bring any pressure on Roethlisberger. They might have scored anyway, of course, but the thing is that the Cards didn’t even try. You’re right, QB pressure is everything and the Cardinals got scared.
Game over.
Gee, thanks
No, he won’t simply go to the HoF just because you throw up a bunch of awards and ignore the negatives. And if people simply look at that, then those “people” should not be voting for HoF inductees. If you are not upset by that, I question your love of football. If the HoF puts Warner in there, then the HoF becomes like the Pro Bowl: Meaningless.
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Give me a break!!
Your absolute disrespect for Warner leaves me scratching my head. Did he piss in your corn flakes or something? I welcome you to question my love of football…bring it on…I look at the game with a critical eye, but an unbiased eye at that. I actually HATE Warner…but he has done a heck of a lot more than some who get into the HoF. Somehow I just knew that when I got on here today you would lay the loss at the hands of Warner. Funny, how now its the statistics don’t mean anything…funny that his game stats were pretty good. True the interception at the end of the half was terrible..but he did bring them back. Sorry that Lebeau sucks so bad on that call…Warner had nothing to do with it!! Yea right. This loss was a team loss. The defense should have stopped the Steelers on the last drive. Just crazy.
Seriously
1999- MVP Year
2000- Crap
2001- MVP Year
2003-Crap, cut from Rams (no playoffs)
2004-Crap, cut from Giants (no playoffs)
2005-Crap, loses starting job (no playoffs)
2006-Crap, can’t beat out a rookie Matt Leinart (no playoffs)
2007-Crap (no playoffs)
2008- Back to Super Bowl
If that is HoF for you, then you have very, very low standards. That simple.
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BTW
Sorry, but I’m passionate about this.
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BBS
I’m going to send you an e-mail. Take a look at this.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I hate to keep harping on it, people might think I’m an angry old man, but to say Kurt Warner is a good quarterback is to ignore over 50% of his playing career.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
I think you'd have to have absolutely no common sense
To think he’s a great QB. Considering he explained his throws to Fitz by saying “I had to train myself to just throw it up there. Even if he’s double covered, I just throw it high and hope he makes a play.”
Pretty much the same as “Faulk’s so good I just throw the pass 3 yards behind the line of scrimmage and he pads my stats like a madman. And if that fails, I just chuck it up to a young Isaac Bruce, Tory Holt, or Ricky Proehl.”
Case in point:
G Rec Yds Avg Yds/G Lng TD 20+ 40+ 1st
2001 14 83 765 9.2 54.6 65T 9 5 1 40
2000 14 81 830 10.2 59.3 72T 8 6 2 42
1999 16 87 1,048 12.0 65.5 57T 5 14 4 40
And his YAC?
1999 – 10.8
2000 – 8.3
2001 – 7.4
So….Kurt Warner average distance past the LoS was
99 – 1.2 yds
00 – 1.9 yds
01 – 1.8 yds
Bow down before the ALMIGHTY Kurt Warner’s 1.6 yard passes.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
where are you getting total QB YAC
I’ve never seen a site that lists that. I’m very interested in the data.
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I think ur doin it wrong
I found YAC data for this season and Kurt was at 6.00 yards deep average. Martz’s offense is a risky deep passing O, I find it very hard to believe that his average pass was that short (maybe his air-yards per attempt would be that low though)
did you divide the air yards by attempts instead of completions? because that would give you a low number that isn’t the average distance past the LoS.
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You're obviously using stats.com
Use this for the older stuff.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/2728/career;_ylt=AgNXnC2KbvrUXEiy16A9syb.uLYF
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
oh you are just talking about his passes to Faulk
I thought you meant for all of Warner’s passes. That makes a lot more sense (but is much less meaningful).
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Well, it doesn't go back to 99
And I don’t feel like looking, but when your leading receiver has 90% of his yards coming from YAC I think it’s a pretty big deal.
I might have to see how they’re calculating this, but 52.2% of his yards came from YAC. Give or take a %. So it’s more like 4.17 YPA. Which is actually worse than Cassel’s this year.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
He doesn't have the sustained greatness that most HOFers
but he had a (pair of) crazy good peak(s). The HOF has admitted some guys for being fantastic over a short time, Warner could be another of them.
but I hate HOF arguments, it’s so subjective.
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Be prepared for it to become meaningless to you then.
The people who vote for HoF choices will put Warner there. Not first ballot…but he’ll get there
And I don’t particularly care about the HoF, no. Personal awards are nice for the guys involved, and I hope our great players get there for their sake, but the only thing I’m interested in as a fan is rings.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 3, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be debatable
If he won the Super Bowl. But he didn’t. He won’t make it.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Maybe I watched a different game
but I could have sworn the reason the Cards allowed all of those big plays in the final 2 minutes was because they continued to blitz and leave people who were unable to cover/tackle in one-on-one situations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
No
They went to a prevent with a show blitz drop zone. And I have absolutely no clue why they thought Holmes was going to run a dagger route on that one really long play with 1 timeout and like 60+ yards to go. That was just plain stupid. They dropped the safety like 25 yards back, and had the corner play an in. And then Holmes just split them. That was a dumb play call.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
My take on the game...
I really only want to say that Darnell Docket is a total stud. He played a heck of a game.
I like most lost a lot, if not all, my respect for Harrison. Jeez…what do you have to do to get ejected from a game? Total Punk!
Totally agree with the Matt Millen comments!! What a joke.
I think Wisenhunt is a fine coach…but benching Edge made me wonder what he was thinking?
BBS…I was at least happy that Warner’s wife had a better hair style than the last time I saw her. Wasn’t it some butch cut a few years ago?
Lastly, I’ve seen a few interviews with Tomlin today…dude is already for next year! Nothing like basking in the glory for a few minutes eh?
TRDean
While we disagree on Warner, we agree on his wife’s hair.
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http://superbowl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/30/brenda-warner-is-benjamin-button/
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You can love me or hate me,
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I just keep thinking
About Dennis Quaid’s wife on Any Given Sunday forcing him to keep playing even though he’s at the end when I think of this chick.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
dude, his wife got hot. How did that happen? Cardinals go to the Super Bowl. Butch Wife gets hot.
I’m smellin some devil involvement. I guess that explains the Patriots recent run of success.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
Dude
If you think she’s hot….I don’t even know what to say. Is it the tube top that goes straight from breasts to belly that’s sort of folded over the guard rail? Or maybe the wrinkly man hands? I just don’t get where you’re seeing this “hot” part.
She looks like his Mom in both those pictures. Maybe you’ve got that fetish going on.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
you don't think she looks phenominally better
in the second picture (nearly a decade later)
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If you don’t think she’s like 100% better looking and verging on MILF status from those pics, I dunno. I mean, I’m 29 and married, so I’m coming from this at an ‘i don’t expect every chick to be a model’ point of view. I think she’s a 7 or so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
CRAP
I’m sorry, I meant to do this and hit post too soon.
Credit for those pics:: www.bustedcoverage.com
If I can’t link pics from their site, feel free to delete, sorry, not sure of the laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
Looking "better"
And being “hot” are completely different. Of course she looks better, she’s not trying to pull off Gozer from Ghost Busters anymore.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://photos23.flickr.com/29305910_acbe3dfdff_m.jpg&imgrefurl=http://roninpants.blogspot.com/2005/07/gozer-gozarian.html&h=234&w=195&sz=13&tbnid=xP26EsB7WKHnNM::&tbnh=109&tbnw=91&prev=/images3Fq3DSlavitza%2BJovan&hl=en&usg=jAuL0hlUL5rT7mvzHVhxM-o3We4=&ei=8YuHSemkLYTSMbCNkdUH&sa=X&oi=imageresult&resnum=2&ct=image&cd=1
Dang, that’s a long link.
But I mean, Slavitza Jovan WAS a model.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
No i mean, I don’t expect all women to be modelish. As a matter of fact, I expect 99% of all women to just be women. From that standpoint, I think she’s an attractive lady. Your mileage may vary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
It's not that
She’s freakishly ugly, more that she freaks me out. Seriously, I think she’s Dennis Quaid’s wife from Any Given Sunday. “YOU WILL PLAY! I NEED ANOTHER FACELIFT!”
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Did she really say that in Any Given Sunday?
Was it during the sceen where she slaps him? I must have missed it after laughing so hard at Quid’s character getting bitch slapped by his wife, lol.
And people who swear that running the ball is more important than great QB play know nothing about modern football.
Offensive Line Play still trumps EVERYTHING offensively.
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Where did you see that only 23 of Warners 377 yds came from non-YAC? It sounds to incredible, even though I would believe he din’t threw for more than 50 “airborne” yards.
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