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Keiaho not tendered

According to rotoworld.com the Colts did not extend a restricted free agent tender to Keiaho, making him an unrestricted free agent.  This is interesting considering we do not have much in the way of LB's already. Rotoworld thinks the Colts may be trying to move away from the Cover-2 scheme, possibly hinting that we would like more run-stopping LB's as opposed to what Keiaho brought to the table. Maybe we will be looking to LB for our first round pick, although Mr. Polian seems to have a eye for LB's late in the draft.

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Keiaho

They could still re-sign him, but letting LBers go is typical Colts. The only LBer the Colts have ever locked up was Gary Brackett. Look for Clint Session to slide to WILL and Philip Wheeler to start at SAM.

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by BigBlueShoe on Feb 27, 2009 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

As always

I disagree. I disagreed last year when Brackett went down and I don’t think they’ll do it this year. First, they haven’t shown a real push to get Wheeler any PT and second Session really came into his own at SAM. I don’t think they are going to move Session from where he really shined last year. Now, i would feel a lot more confident about this if Dungy was still the coach, because they rarely changed things up under him, so we’ll see, but I don’t see them moving Session out of the place he grew into last year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Feb 27, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Wheeler, to me, is way too small to play SAM. Even for us. He’s listed as one of the heavier, taller ones, but he looks like a safety. Session is built much more stout than him and we all think he’s good because of what he did at SAM. Why would we move him and put a second year player who saw no playing time at WILL?

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 27, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

The listed height and weight are legit

Combine and Pro Day height/weight was 6" 1 7/8th" 248lbs (even more than he’s listed at now)

but I know what you are saying. Session is 2 3/4 inches shorter but only 5 pounds lighter. He’s solidly built.

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Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
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by shake n bake on Feb 27, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Session just looks like he’s built to beat people up. He’s THICK. He seems like he’d be heavier than he is, guess its just because he’s so short.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Feb 27, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

My nickname for him...

Bob Sanders chubbier little brother. Sometimes during games I just see dreads flying and guys getting destroyed so it’s hard to tell the difference.

by farris6659 on Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Wheeler

is going to be one tough SOB at SAM. Can’t wait to see what hell he brings up on teams o-lines.

by farris6659 on Feb 27, 2009 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

Huh?

Keiaho is not a run-stopper? Dude was a beast of a tackler. Maybe only behind Brackett as far as tackling skills went.

by DoTheMathis98 on Feb 27, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions  

Keiaho...

He didn’t really impress me this last season. When Hagler got injured 2 seasons ago, I saw Keiaho giving his all on every play and he was really noticeable with that goofy helmet. This past season, he still made tackles, but it was almost as if he lost some of his fury.

by farris6659 on Feb 27, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

He was the second tackler

And his numbers went up from 101 to 114. And he had a few injuries this year. He also probably didn’t completely recover from his elbow injury quite yet. And he was the only LB on our entire roster that could even attempt to take over for Brackett and not completely fail. I really have no clue why they wouldn’t at least put the low tender on him.

Quick, what’s the difference between the dominant T2s and the Colts? You know who their LBs are.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 27, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you. I really liked Freddy, wont ever forget see him crying at SB XLI and then that funny yell…
He was a good tackler, nothing amazing really but i would like him to stay, he has some future i think…

by BlueMark1821 on Feb 27, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I can’t really argue with those numbers. He’s for sure been a tackling machine. I guess what I meant to put emphasis on is that I don’t really remember him making THE tackles. Maybe it had nothing to do with him, but I saw Session making a lot more plays this past year than Keiaho.

I also don’t think that the Colts (esp. Polian) would let a solid tackler go unless they had a plan for someone waiting in the wings or even a free agency move. I would say the former is almost guaranteed.

by farris6659 on Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

This just means

that the Colts will pick Ray Lewis. Well of course not, that wont happen in a billion years.

I liked Keiaho, i think he has some future in him and he always played with his heart, or so it seemed.

by BlueMark1821 on Feb 27, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions  

Keiaho tendered?

There was no announcement from the team, but it’s believed they issued one-year tenders to linebacker Freddy Keiaho, a restricted free agent, and running back Lance Ball and defensive tackle Daniel Muir, both of whom are exclusive-rights free agents.

by Matic on Feb 27, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

That link

is broke. Just leads us right back to this fanpost.

by farris6659 on Feb 27, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

how about this one?

if not, it’s on the Indy Star site at the bottom of the Saturday article. But thinking Indy Star is wrong. Everywhere else says they didn’t offer him a tender.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090227/SPORTS03/902270379/1058/SPORTS03

by Matic on Feb 27, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's look at it this way:

WIth Antonio Johnson scalped from the Titans and Muir tendered, plus Brock and Dawson, are the Colts saying, ‘We don’t really hate where we’re at with defensive tackle’? And by supposedly letting Keiaho walk are they saying, ’We’re drafting James Laurenitis’?

I don’t know the answer, obviously, but I said a few months ago that I thought he would instantly become the best LB on the team, if he were drafted by the Colts. I know that that sounds like an over the top statement, but I think he’d be atheletic enough to play against the pass and run better than anyone else on the team (the Colts have LBs that are very good against the pass and OK against the run and LBs that are very good against the run and OK against the pass, I think he’s been good/vgood against both).

I’m going to continue to say I hope the Colts don’t use their first round pick on a WR or a RB. I would love an OT, DT, or LB, but the best player available at any of those positions. I think that (and I’m not working for any NFL teams, so there ya go) would be the best way to improve the team quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Feb 27, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

I've considered this...

With Polian’s statement about how unless you catch a good DT in the first half of round one, you’re not going to find one until the 5th or 6th round, and the fact that our entire starting secondary is pretty much signed away, that we could be looking at the linebacker spot in this years draft. If Laurenitis is drafted by the Colts, I wouldn’t complain. I don’t know if he exactly fits the Tampa 2 build, but he sure can hit. I’m still hoping that injury concerns let Rey Mouthfuluga falls to us :)

by farris6659 on Feb 27, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they're going to target LBs

And to a certain degree, maybe even moreso than DT, depending on how the draft works out. The only problem with getting Laurinaitis to play if Keiaho leaves is that Keiaho was playing outside and inside. Laurinaitis is a MIKE and would be the successor to Brackett. However, they could be getting Laurinaitis and a Follet or McGrath later as well. Upgrades at LB is also another way to upgrade the run game. I’d rather have a LB blitz than constantly bringing Bob down. It’d definitely extend his career, and at this point, almost seems required to keep him healthy.

These are actually the two guys I really like and think we could get without impacting our first round. Jason Phillips and Jasper Brinkley. I know they’re both listed as inside, but I think Brinkley will move to SAM in the pros. He’d be great against the run and actually has decent coverage skills so he’s not a liability. I think Phillips might end up having one of the better careers as a LB. He’s really a “football” player. He’s ugly and mean looking like one. He’s the type of guy that you can imagine seeing playing with a broken nose. I think he might be a steal in the second, he’s extremely underrated. He’s improved his draft stock, but since he came from TCU, he’s still not as “shiny” as some of the other guys. Both those guys played in systems the Colts use. Phillips played in the 4-2-5, and TCU is the best defense in the nation, and Brinkley played in a T2 before switching to a 4-2-5 this year. So they know zone systems. And Brinkley was considered one of the top 3 LBs coming out before his knee injury. He came back overweight, but he dropped back down to 252 by the combine.

I think Phillips in the second would be one of my favorite picks. Well, depending on what else we do, but I’m really high on him. And at this point, I actually think taking Hood in the first would be an excellent choice. His interview on Sirius was probably one of the most impressive I’ve heard from any player. You can tell he’s extremely intelligent. Very well spoken. Donald Brown had another great interview and he’s extremely intelligent as well. Jerry’s stock might be going down for not participating at the combine. I don’t feel like looking it up, but does anyone know why? Just waiting for his pro day?

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 27, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Think it would be impossible to have

Laurenitis play on the outside? I know that he’s a MIKE, but he can move side to side well and he can play the run and pass well, I think he could be good at WILL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He could play it

That’s probably where he’d be this year if we drafted him anyway. They’re not going to move Brackett away from Mike. It’d also give him a chance to be playing a more complicated, coverage/read heavy position that would transition better towards MIKE to take over for Brackett when the time comes.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 27, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my point:)

They are never gonna move Brackett from MIKE, first, he’s the best MIKE on the team, second, he probably wouldn’t be a good fit at WILL or SAM, and third, he’s the leader on that D, you aren’t just gonna pull him off the field unless you have a sure fire probowler ready to take his place.

But you could groom JL to take his spot in a few years. I think that would be OK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Feb 27, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think the Colts would draft him even if he did fall to their pick tbh.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.

by KingRichard on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

ORLY

did you forget that he went to THE ohio state university, aka, Colts, JV?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded

by Nideak on Feb 27, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

tr00

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.

by KingRichard on Feb 27, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm ok with this move

He was productive against the run, but as mentioned in another post, he was a liability in coverage.

In the cover-2 your WILL needs to be your most athletic LB. Kind of like the Safety, he is has to cover a lot of space, while stopping the run and dropping into coverage. He has to be strong in coverage. Sessions is the Colts most athletic LB, and would be a beast at the WILL. He’s fast; seems to have good hands and he’s a play maker, all the things you want at the WILL

If you are going to have a LB who is a liability in coverage the best place would be at the SAM, less space to cover. Rob Morris moved there from the MIKE and did pretty well, although he was not a typical cover-2 LB This is spot you can have a guy who is a little bigger and better against the run.

I would love to see Session starting at the WILL, Bracket at the MIKE and Wheeler at the SAM.

Laurnaitis doesn’t appear to be a fit at LB for the Colts, not fast enough and not going to be able to get far enough back on his drops. Bill Polian will probably get a couple of LB’s in the mid rounds as he starts drafting for need.

by BetterD on Feb 27, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

Blitzing the Dogs!

Keiaho is a consistant player that tackles just the way they tought you in little league… rap up, lift and drive. Problem is in the NFL that doesn’t intimidate anyone and that part of the game at this level. Laurnaitis won’t be avaiable at 27, we will be fortunate if Peria is there; we are not where we need to be at DT. My guess is that Session will be a Pro Bowl caliber SAM and Wheeler will move into WILL as a blitzing LB. We may pick up another LB later in the draft, but the starting LB’s are probably on the roster now.

BLITZ THE DOGS!!!!

by ReddogLB on Feb 27, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Wheeler won't be playing WILL, not athletic enough

If he cracks the starting line up it will be at the SAM

Defense if more important them breathing.

by BetterD on Feb 27, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

I like Session at SAM and Wheeler at WILL

Philip Wheeler Scouting Report
Projected Draft Position
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Position: OLB
School & Year/Status: Georgia Tech – Drafted
Height & Weight: 6’2 – 238 lbs.
Drafted 3.30 by IND

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2008 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

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Philip Wheeler, OLB, Georgia Tech
Philip Wheeler will not be the biggest or strongest linebacker of this class. In fact, it is his undersized 6-2, 238 pound frame that will knock him down the draft a little ways. However, despite those concerns, Wheeler could go in the second round thanks to his great athleticism.
Wheeler is a solid cover man for a linebacker and will be able to match up well with most backs and tight ends in the league. Ideally, the Columbus, Georgia native will play in a ‘cover two’ defense where his skills could be best utilized. Despite being a little undersized at 6-2, Wheeler is a strong player who can shed blocks and stuff the run with seeming ease. Wheeler led Georgia Tech as a senior with 88 tackles and added 5.5 sacks and 8.5 tackles for loss and he will use that nice combination of strength and speed to put up some decent numbers in the NFL too.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1390

Wheeler should be a solid WILL but his main advantage is being able to come off the edge on a blitz.. I believe this is why he was selected by the Colts. Session has played well at SAM and I believe he has star talent. Bringing the Blitz from the weak side you don’t have the extra blocker or the TE as an outlet. The RB has to stay in and block or it’s a clear path to the QB. To be fair, I could see it flipped too and I believe it would work, but either way I think Keiaho’s departure is a clear sign that Wheeler is in the Colts future.

BLITZ THE DOGS!!!!

by ReddogLB on Feb 27, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Okwo

This is the analysis on Okwo. There’s longer ones but I think this specifically addresses the WILL position.

“Athletic and instinctive linebacker best suited for the weak side. Displays outstanding speed, quickly changes direction and is relentless in pursuit of the action. Makes a lot of plays out to the flanks. Instinctive, immediately picks up coverage assignments.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2007/draft/players/19636.html

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 27, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

NEGATIVES: Not strong at the point, gets caught up in the trash or easily blocked from the action. Has a history of injuries, which caused him to miss significant playing time.

eeeeek

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.

by KingRichard on Feb 27, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

If injury is his big negative,

I am optimistic. Sometimes a guy runs into a string of bad luck with his health. If he can stay healthy, the guy has a ton of upside.

I am glad we picked him up.

by coltsfanawalt on Feb 27, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

We might as well Draft a couple of LBs so we can cut them 3 years from now

Hagler Keiaho and countless others are wasted draft picks.

Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......

by colts9318rock on Feb 27, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions  

Along with all of the other players that left without winning a Super Bowl right?

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.

by KingRichard on Feb 27, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting good solid seasons out of them for sod all money, maybe?

Not every guy in the league is going to be Ray Lewis. If we can get a guy in the draft who’ll give us roughly Keiaho’s performance, or better, at a fraction of the cost, we’d be idiots to just keep bringing back the same guys on ever higher salaries because we don’t want to “waste” draft picks.

This is a business. You need value for money. If we can get better value from someone, we take it. Especially when we’re tight against the cap for the first time ever.

by eltharion_doa on Feb 28, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Lots of "IFs" in your rant

And what ‘IF" there is no one in the draft that can cover Keiaho and Hagler’s role. It does take time to train rookies. Ex, Wheeler. So we pissed away average LBs to go after below average LBs. Except Session. Session beat out Hagler. But in time will we sign Session and Wheeler to long term contracts or 3 years from now wil we be talking about drafting some new LBs?

Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......

by colts9318rock on Mar 1, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Yes, I believe we will. Different system, different coordinator, different value placed on positions. Coyer was a LB coach who drafted LBs high at Denver and put alot of value at the position. If a guy fits his system and he likes him, then yes, we will sign him. The reason we don’t sign our LBs to longterm contracts, is for the most part, they’re not that good. That’s because there wasn’t alot of value placed on LBs. We didn’t draft them high and we picked up UDFAs. If you’re assuming that we had drafted Urlacher and decided “meh, whatever, he’s just a LB” and let him walk, I think you’re mistaken.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 2, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Will the system be all the different though? I’m just going by the words of Polian in that the system will stay in tack, with very minor changes. I know I’ve repeated these words, but I would have felt a bit more comfortable if the Colts could have retained either Keiaho or Hagler and then still draft a LB within the first 3 rounds for depth purposes. However, not sure whether their asking price would be worth salary cap or not…don’t know the situation. I’m assuming Wheeler will come in as a starter, but I question the depth after that even with Senn and a couple rookie LBs if the Colts do indeed draft a few.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 2, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad choice of words on my part

Yes, it’s still a T2 system, however, not everyone uses the same systems the exact same way. Urlacher and Brooks are/were both in T2 systems and used much differently than we use our LBs. They’re still T2 systems, but the way the used the system was different and more emphasis was placed on the LB position within the T2. For example, none of the T2 systems used their SS like we have with Bob. Tampa did with Lynch for a little while, but after he left, the role of the safety changed slightly. However, I’d much rather have Bob play more like Lynch did to preserve his career. He’ll be out of football in a few years at this rate.

The asking price of Keiaho would’ve been around 927k. That would’ve been the price of the low tender to receive a 3rd round pick. I agree with you on that part, I believe Keiaho would probably be worth a 900kish contract for one year with the possibility of a 3rd round pick. As free agency goes on, a LB with potential will start looking worth that price after the other guys start coming off the market. Or at least we get a contract that’s not breaking the bank for a guy that showed some potential.

Like I said though, the only reason I think they would have let him walk is more Coyer’s decision than anyone else. When teams interview guys for any coaching job, especially coordinators, they ask them what they would do different and everything they would do on defense. Coyer was a LB coach who put alot of value on them while in Denver. I don’t think I’m stretching the imagination by assuming Coyer probably mentioned something about the LB core, what it means to their team, and how he thinks everyone fits in to how he would like to use them. I promise they specifically asked him about Keiaho and if he replied that it’s fine to let him walk because he has a different type of LB in mind anyway, they probably took him at his word. A little pointless to increase someone’s salary if it doesn’t fit the mold the new DC has in mind at LB.

Coyer worked with Romanowski and John Mobley (who didn’t do anything at all until Coyer showed up and was showing definite upswing until he had a spinal injury that ended his career) when he first got to Denver. Then he drafted a 2nd round LB and the first round pick in 04 was D.J. Williams. And D.J. Williams is a great OLB. I have a feeling Coyer has a specific type of player in mind, especially at OLB. I don’t think Keiaho, or really anyone one person on the roster fits that. However, Keiaho was the one who happened to become a RFA. That clause in his contract might have been a poorly timed “perk”.

This is the report when Williams was a prospect. I included Vilma because they use him as an example.

“Jonathan Vilma (6-1, 233lbs, 4.55, Miami): Middle linebacker who could also project to the weakside. Biggest knock on Vilma is his lack of size. But Vilma is an excellent athlete with superb intangibles. Smart, instinctive, intense, and physical. Reads plays extremely well. Doesn’t make many mistakes. Takes on blocks aggressively but can get tied up by big blockers. Better at avoiding blocks. Has sideline-to-sideline range. Sure tackler, but not powerful due to his lack of size. Good on the blitz and can cover.
Demorrio Williams (6-1, 232lbs, 4.53, Nebraska): Weakside linebacker. Similar in size and ability to Jonathan Vilma. Lacks ideal size. Excellent athlete with fine intangibles. Tough, intense, and competitive. Good run defender who reads plays quickly and takes on blocks aggressively. Can get tied up by big blockers. Good at avoiding blocks. Can run sideline-to-sideline. Good tackler and hitter. Very good blitzer. Has the ability to be a very good coverage linebacker but needs more technique work.”

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Good perspective on the situation and there’s really nothing that I can argue against. Like you mentioned, it would only make sense that Coyer would have his input on the players playing his defense, which aparently Keiaho does not fit.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 2, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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