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A look at the price to franchise

From the article http://profootball.scout.com/2/834635.html :

 

And in reference to if/who we franchise (Saturday or Hayden);

 

Offensive Linemen

Franchise
$8.451m

Transition
$7.744m

 

Cornerback

Franchise
$9.957m

Transition
$8.374m

 

I guess they could try to get sneaky and list Hayden as a safety.

 

Safety

Franchise
$6.342m

Transition
$5.130m

 

Anyway, the article explains the difference and options involved in tagging someone.  I'm really just trying to get the 75 words in right now. 

This is how someone becomes a non-exclusive franchise tagged player (which I think would be a good option for Saturday, unless he thinks he's going to make more than this somewhere else)

"If the player is offered a minimum of the average of the top five salaries of last season at his position, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, he becomes a “non-exclusive” franchise player and can negotiate with other team. His old team can match a new team's offer, or receive two first-round draft choices if it decides not to match."

The difference being that the average of the top five salaries is based off the previous season as opposed to the upcoming one.

Saturday's current salary  $5,184,669 would end up being $6,221,602 at 120%.  I think that the "non-exclusive" tag would probably be the best one to try to put on him since it ends up $2,229,398 less against our cap.  It's also $1,522,398 less than the "transition" tag.  And placing the "non-exclusive" tag as opposed to the "transition" tag allows us to recoup 2 first round draft picks for compensation if the Colts decide not to match.  If the Colts don't match under a transition tag, the other team doesn't owe anything as compensation. 

Definitely seems doable to be able to sign Hayden and tag Saturday.  I'll make sure to spend some significant time looking into this.  As of now, it seems as if we could save ~ 6.5 million simply by spreading Dallas' roster bonus over the remaining time of his contract as opposed to putting it all on next year.  And there's no way Hagler makes $1,417,000 next year.  I think it's likely he's gone.  I think Peyton might not restructure his contract and instead might completely redo it.  Since the last two years are voided, I'm sure this is something they're thinking of since they'll have to completely redo it later anyway.  There's probably about 1-2 million from working on that.  And, as we all know, we're more than likely going to be saving between 3-5 by reducing Marvin's 9 mil base salary for 09.  

So why did I go through all this?  Well, I believe this has serious implecations regarding the draft.  Considering Keiaho reached the point where he's now a RFA, we'll have to offer him a tender at least to either keep him or get a pick for him.  The tender amounts this year are:

Low tender - right of first refusal & original draft pick - $1.01 million

Middle tender - right of first refusal & 2nd round pick - $1.545 million

High tender - right of first refusal & 1st round pick - $2.198 million

Highest tender - right of first refusal & 1st and 3rd round picks - $2.792 million

Since Keiaho was initially drafted in the 3rd round, I could see the Colts putting the 1.01 mil tender on him and seeing if they get the pick back.  They MIGHT go up to 1.545 to get a 2nd round pick, but I don't think they'll jump the 2.198-2.792 unless they actually think he's worth giving the salary to.  And I'm not sold yet.  So we basically have to let Hagler go so that we can at least offer a tender to Keiaho.  And then if Keiaho leaves as well, we save 2,053,000.  But it'd also mean we would be forced to take at least one LB in the first couple rounds.  It'd also mean we'd either have to resign Brackett or sell our souls and cross our fingers that one of the young LBs (Session or Wheeler) has a breakout year and we can lean on them at Mike. 

The proverbial wrench has been thrown into our LBing core with this Keiaho situation.  I could actually see someone shelling out 2-4 million for him, although the 4 might be a bit high, so we might be banking on some serious prospects coming to fruition. 

So I could see us freeing up around 10 million without hurting too many peoples feelings or cleaning house.  I do see our LB situation as shaky at this point.  The free agency period will be taking up alot of my interest in the upcoming months.  DT might HAVE to be a 2nd round pick if things don't go well.  And we might be trying to pull off moving up the draft to make sure we can secure a legit 1st round LB considering they'll probably be forced into significant playing time from the start.

Anyway, I hope I got my 75 words in.  Like I said, I'll keep looking into this.  Add anything you find interesting or substantial.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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it's not top 5 or 120%

it’s the higher amount between the two. Franchising Saturday would be 8.451mil

I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"

by shake n bake on Feb 4, 2009 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

I think we're both wrong

Looks like there’s a certain degree of confusion, even amongst the “experts”. But the non-exclusive tag would be based off the 2008 exclusive franchise numbers or 7.455 million. That 8.451 number is the cost for the exclusive tag I’m pretty sure.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 4, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, it's 7.455

I copied the number you posted at the start without checking which it was.

I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"

by shake n bake on Feb 5, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Those numbers are non-exclusive, chums

Exclusive (meaning another team can’t negotiate with the player/agent) costs more, and is based on the Top 5 paid players at the specific position in 2009.

by project geo on Feb 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

damn,

I was wrong about being wrong. 8.451 was the exclusive tag last year so it’s the non-exclusive tag this year.

If anyone gets franchised this offseason they’ll likely challenge Clark’s record for shortest time under the tag. They can’t take that big of a cap hit for either guy.

I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"

by shake n bake on Feb 5, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

2008 exclusive franchise player costs by position
Position Cost
Quarterback $10,730,000
Offensive Linemen (includes Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Center) $7,455,000
Wide Receiver $7,848,000
Running Back (includes all Fullbacks and Halfbacks) $6,538,000
Tight end $4,522,000
Defensive End $8,879,000
Defensive Tackle $6,363,000
Linebacker $8,065,000
Cornerback $9,465,000
Safety $4,396,000
Kicker or Punter $2,514,000

So, since the price of the 2008 “exclusive” tag is based on the top 5 average salaries at their position for 2008, wouldn’t that mean that the “non-exclusive” tag, being the top 5 average salaries of 2008, would be $7,455,000?

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 5, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

stop confusing me you guys

I’m suppose to be doing homework

monstersbox is right, project geo is wrong, I agreed with both of them

I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"

by shake n bake on Feb 5, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm confused too

It makes sense both ways depending on where you look. Either way, it doesn’t matter, Saturday’s not worth 7.445 or 8.451 so the point’s pretty moot. Nobody would take him on for either of those and give us two first round picks.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Standard/non-exclusive = Top 5 of 2008; Exclusive = Top 5 of 2009

Is how it works.

I don’t know if the exclusive franchise player has ever cost less than the non-exclusive franchise player, I would presume not. The last two exclusive franchise players that I can recall are Dwight Freeney in ‘07 and Nnamdi Asomugha of the Raiders in ’08. For non-exclusive franchise guys, any other team can negotiate with them and sign them to an offer sheet … but they’d have to give up two 1st round picks as compensation.

(You’re more likely to see a tag and trade, like the Chiefs did with Jared Allen last year. The Vikings gave up a 1st and two 3rd round picks, but that’s certainly better than two 1st round picks. Another example being the Packers tagging DT Corey Williams and then trading him to the Cleveland Browns for a 2nd round pick.)

As for the numbers exactly, well I can’t say I know how they were arrived … one thing though, they are released/reported as the (regular) franchise tag figures. I can’t imagine why that wouldn’t be the case, in fact I don’t think anyone can know what the exclusive franchise tag costs will be yet, with free agency and possible salary cap cuts yet to come.

by project geo on Feb 5, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

what are you talking about?

we understand the tags, we just got the number for this year confused.

PS can you share whatever you were smoking that made you want David Givens over Marvin Harrison in the playoffs. That sounds like some strong stuff. Light up that and you’ll be playing Ewok Village all weekend.

I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"

by shake n bake on Feb 5, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what the difference is

That’s not what we have a question about. We just want to know the price.

Look, if an exclusive tag is the average of the top 5 salaries for the current year (in this case 2008) and a non-exclusive tag is the average top 5 salaries of the previous year (in this case 2009 so it’d be looking at 2008) then the price of the exclusive tag from 2008 SHOULD be the price of the non-exclusive tag for 2009.

And like I said, it doesn’t matter. Saturday, as great as he is, isn’t worth 7.45-8.41 million. We wouldn’t be able to sign Hayden unless we started cutting or trading people for picks. The way I see it, we can only free up around 10 million without reducing player salary or cutting people. Polian would have to switch from a scalpel to a hatchet. We could probably stretch it to 11-12, or at most about 13 by straight cutting Marvin, but we’ll still have to have 4-6 million to sign rookies, PS players etc.. And if Hayden doesn’t get 5-6 mil/yr from us, he’ll easily get that somewhere else.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 5, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Well ...
the price of the exclusive tag from 2008 SHOULD be the price of the non-exclusive tag for 2009.

… what if an exclusive franchised player turns out to be among the Top 5 paid at his position, when calculating the non-exclusive franchise costs next year? This could happen?

by project geo on Feb 5, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the only two

O-line players that were franchised at all were both for $ 7,455,000 so no, unless someone restructured in the middle of the year, the price should not have changed. In fact, Gross and Andrews (the two franchised Oline) only came in at 5th in highest paid. And maybe someone did, but when’s the cutoff? Is the cutoff at the end of the season, going into the season? Find me that information and I’ll give you an ice cream sandwich. And while you’re looking, find out which figure they’re using. Are they using salary, or total cap hit?

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Feb 5, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you hope it's 75 words! Really??

Not that this is interesting or substantial but, you couldn’t have been seriously concerned about meeting the 75 word requirement. This post is on the medium to long side. Just to entertain my curiosity and quell your fears about your post not being long enough, I copied the damn thing to MS Word. Its 848 words. Needless to say your safe dude.

Dun nuh nuh nuhhhh!!!! Super Mathis

by hoosier in sodak on Feb 4, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

it's monsterbox

this is one of his shorter posts, lol

by MarkFive05 on Feb 4, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

hilarious

"I may not be a class act, but I'm an American."
-- Ron Artest on wanting to play for the Olympic team

by zkmavz on Feb 5, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

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