Cassel tagged
by bluegirl on Feb 5, 2009 7:21 PM EST
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Printnfl website is reporting Cassel has been tagged. His salary (and cap hit) would be 14.65 million. compare this to brady whose cap hit this coming year is 14.62... That means the pats would have almost 30mil tied up in QB's. And the cap for this coming year is just over 129 million.
They would have 25% of their cap room tied up in two guys, who can't even play at the same time (or even on opposite sides of the ball)
They must not have a lot of faith in brady being back healthy..
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I think he's insurance.
If Brady is able to play by training camp, can’t they just trade Cassel? I’m not sure what the rules are for the tag in that regard.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
they can trade him
or a nother team can step in and out bid the Patriots for Cassel’s rights but that team would give 2 first round Draft pick……………….
Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......
by colts9318rock on Feb 5, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they are as holding him for insurance/to trade
I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"
Question
In this article, it says “If and when” Cassel signs the franchise tag, he will be under contract with the Patriots. I didn’t think the players had the right to refuse the franchise tag? Or is it just never done because they could never hope to get as much money in the free market?
They can refuse to sign it
And go into holdout, but that means they don’t play/get paid for that season. I don’t think a player that’s ever held out hasn’t won out in the end.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
beat me to it
I was just going to say the same
Weather out here is SWEET! NICE!
Another question
Why on earth would they tag him so early? They still have another couple of weeks – is this just to send a signal to the market?
Wiki
"Usually designated for players of great skill or of high importance to the team, a franchise tag allows a team’s manager the privilege of strategically retaining valuable free-agent players while seeking talent through the NFL draft or other acquisitions without exceeding the League’s salary cap.
If the designated franchise player elects to play for the team that designated him with the franchise tag, and does not negotiate a contract with another team his one year salary is guaranteed.
If a club withdraws their offered contract the player immediately reverts to an unrestricted free agent."
They can take it off him when they want. They’re not locked into it. But now they don’t have to worry about him and can evaluate Brady’s progress and continue to focus on the draft. Besides, I think they drafted a dude last year that’s supposed to be better than Cassel.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
O'Connell?
He’s good. He’s fast and played well in Long’s system at San Diego State, but he isn’t proven. Cassell played well this year, and it is a crapshoot to get rid of a proven player for someone like O’Connell.
I’m pretty sure BBS did a “who the hell will they draft” profile on him last year and Shake I think is a fan of O’Connell’s, so they would know more than I would.
yeah I liked O'Connel
If I was ranking by draft crushes I think they went, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Marcus Howard, Kevin O’Connell, Earl Bennet
I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"
I'm just saying what I heard
That’s what people were saying about him on Sirius today. I don’t take everything they say 100%, but generally they’re much more intelligent about what they say than other media outlets. They get alot of very intuitive people there. And I remember hearing it a few times early in the season.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
You missed the point of my question
I understand what the tag is and that you can lift it blah blah blah – my question was why they did it at this time. The last day to apply the tag is Feb 19, and FA doesn’t start until Feb 27. Why not wait until the last possible moment in the admittedly off chance that you can work out a deal with him, or at the very least keep other teams guessing?
The only reason that makes sense to me is if teams are able to talk to FAs starting now.
They already said they were going to do it
They said they were going to do it like 2 weeks ago. No point in trying to make people guess. But now teams know that they went through with it, so even though they can’t talk to the player, they can try to work something out with the front office and the Patriots can get something in place. There’s no chance they pay him that much, they want to trade him.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Answering my own question
Analysts saying that this gives them more time to do a deal, reinforcing monstersbox notion that they want to trade him, which most are assuming.
Please don't let them trade him
That would be suicide to have that much money in two players that can’t play at the same time. They’ll have a tough time replacing people like Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel and Roidney Harrison if they have no money. Sweet.
That's exactly what I've been thinking
I believe Cassel had a great year because of the system. They’ve made the point that he’s been there for 4 years, learning the system, and we all saw that the playbook was kept short at first and opened up over the course of the year as he gained confidence and ability. That said, there are teams in great need of a franchise QB – hell of ANY QB – and with this year’s draft class, Cassel is much more appealing than what’s on the board. The question will be balancing his cost with what you’d have to pay for a high pick, and whether you could take the gamble of trading down to pay less.
There's no question
56% of his yards came from YAC.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Agreed
He had a nice year under difficult circumstances, and that’s to his credit. But throwing to Moss and Welker behind pro bowl linemen will make a lot of QBs look good. Not saying he won’t have a good career, but he’s not exactly “proven” yet.
He's more 'proven' than the players coming out in the draft
plus he’s a character guy and a team player. Not having prima donna issues or a Vince Young ‘tude is worth quite a bit to a team that’s serious about building a team and not just having the bragging rights to a big name college player.
That said, I’d be confident with Cassel if Brady can’t play but would prefer Brady. What I really want is for the Patriots to keep enough cap space to pay and keep Vince Wilfork who will be entering the final year in his contract. He has been invaluable to the defense. There are more free agents that need to be taken care of as well and I don’t want their status jeopardized.
Brady’s trainer said in an interview that the Patriots should expect Brady to mirror Peyton’s progress in ‘08, starting out slow but coming on stronger as the season continues. That’s fine with me. We’ll just have to weather the media firestorm like you all did with Peyton — he’s not the same, etc… etc…
Keep the faith!
Not to be a Debbie Downer
But an infection of the knee and completely destroying your knee are on two completely different levels. It’d be more of a correct analogy to compare Brady to Palmer or Culpepper at this point,a nd HOPE he mirrors Peyton.
My girlfriend in highschool tore her ACL and jacked up her miniscus. Her knee was never the same. If you’ve never been close to someone on a day to day basis with that type of injury (and Brady’s was even worse than hers), you have no idea what it’s like.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
we'll be playing the Speculation Bowl until August...at least
everyone wants to know, we’re all speculating, no one outside of Brady, his personal trainer, and Belichick will ever know anything. My niece tore her ACL, underwent the surgery, got the infection, had the second surgery… not a fun deal at all. She was a rugby player and a skiier, but isn’t anymore.
Keep the faith!
No doubt
Not saying it’s what I’d be hoping for or expecting, but I’d shade on the side of pessimism and cross my fingers to be completely wrong in that assumption if that scenario ever befell a Colt. Just pointing out that a bursa sack is a FAR cry from Brady’s injury. I’d rather be overwhelmingly surprised than disappointed.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Agreed
Absolutely Cassel is more proven than someone who has never played a snap in the NFL. My point was that I’m not entirely sold on him as a quality long-term NFL QB. Again, he had a nice year and should be applauded as such. But lots of guys have a good year or two and are mediocre for the rest of their careers. There’s no indication that he won’t be a good long-term answer, but it’s a little too soon to tell for me. It just cracks me up when I see Pats fans (not necessarily you, I know) having serious debates about whether it’s time to jettison Brady, thank him for his good years with the team, and make the move to Cassel as full-time QB. Really? The “best of all time, way better than Peyton, smartest, most clutch ever QB” gets dumped because a guy that hasn’t started since high school had a good year in a great system?
Again, I’m not saying you are saying these things. But a lot of Pats fans are, and it mystifies me.
it's the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately syndrome...
It’s impatient and available in every jersey color. These types of fans seem more a fan of winning than of the team and will keep complaining until Brady looks like the Brady from 2007. Otherwise all we’ll hear about is how we should have kept Cassel. I heard someone at the coffee shop one frigid morning saying, “I can’t wait until summer so I can complain about the heat.” Some people will never be satisfied unless they’re complaining about something.
I hear you about Cassel though. He took the team to 11-5 out of extremely hard work, great receivers, and being coachable in a system that puts its developing players in a position to succeed. (Look at JaMarcus Russell of the Raiders for the opposing example, or even Vince Young.) Being open to coaching and willing to work hard will help him make the best of his next situation, but you’re right in that only time will tell.
Keep the faith!
You're right.
I know plenty of people who aren’t happy unless they’re complaining about something, about anything.
Fortunately, you’ll never hear any of us begging for Sorgi… ;)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Feb 11, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Question re: the 2 first-round draft picks they could get
Is that 1 from the buying team in each of 2 consecuritve years (i.e., one in 2009 and one in 2010), or is it 1 from the buying team plus another compensatory pick (giving the selling team 3 first-round picks in 2009)?
good question
i think it is the first option. i dont see the nfl giving compensatory 1st round picks.
one thing i thought about is that if the lions want cassel then they could give one from this year and one next year and still have a 1st round pick, but i doubt they would give up a number 1 overall pick for matt cassel. but then again it is the lions here.
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
compensatory picks top out as 3rd round picks and only are given for Unrestricted FAs
it’s a 2009 and 2010 1st rounder, but the Pats would take less than that to trade him (see last year’s Jared Allen deal, where the Chiefs franchised him then traded him for a 1st, 2 3rds and a switch of 6th rounders)
I'm so fly,
I take this parachute off
I might fall and die
-Young Jeezy "Go Crazy"
by shake n bake on Feb 8, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
This is great!
Now the Colts can trade Peyton Manning to the Lions’ for their 1st, 1st, 2nd in 09, and their 1st and 2nd in ’10, trade a first and second to the Patriots for Matt Cassel, who is obviously the second coming, and then still have 3 draft picks left over!! zomg! unstoppable imo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmGdAPjcgaM&eurl=http://www.only17points.com/&feature=player_embedded
Everyone knows
That the Patriots are only going to be interested in trading Cassel for a draft pick (since their pay-roll is so high) that will be useless to them no matter how high it is due to Nick Casserio (the Pats new GM and Scott Pioli’s 2nd right hand man).
Go Colts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Feb 11, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions
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