Luke Links: Seyton Manning edition

by KingRichard on Mar 10, 2009 8:41 AM EDT in News

Note to self: Do NOT piss this guy off. Seyton Manning is out for blood!

I remember the first time I saw this picture, I couldn't stop laughing for about an hour. I still think it's the greatest picture of-all-time. It originated from a guy named Paul "Fitzy" Fitzgerald, who runs Townie News. He's a Boston sports fan, thus, I despise him. But that doesn't make him any less hilarious. I highly recommend watching the following video if you enjoy a good laugh.

Alrighty, down to bidnazzzzz.

Drew Brees still has a mancrush on LT. I can't say I blame him, but allow me to drop a little knowledge on Drew: You don't need more offensive weapons, if your team had anything that resembled a mediocre defense, you might actually make the playoffs again. Just sayin.
Ruh roh, Matt Jones is in trouble again. It still amazes me just how dumb some of these NFL players are. So much for college huh? I think it's about time for someone to get the BANHAMMER!
The Bills are a desperate team. And depeserate times call for desperate measures, which explains why they guarunteed TO $4 million. I wonder if they realize they still won't make the playoffs? Oh well.
Speaking of TO, I wonder how he feels about the fact that every Bills legend is extremely skeptical about his signing? Oh, and could someone explain to me what the heck "I beat to my own beat" means?
We get it Vrabel, you can catch the football. So can 5925285925385 other people. That's just so amazing! SOMEONE ALERT THE PRESS! Oh wait...
The Titans are apparently worried about that fat guy, er I mean, Lendale White. I'm worried they might cut him, in turn actually making their backfield better. Oh please god no!
Jaguars sign former Eagles OT Tra Thomas. That's one less team searching for a OT in the first round. Maybe one will slip to the Colts.
Geno Hayes is the anti-pimp. This story sounds eerily similar to what happened to Nick Harper.
Reggie Wayne loves him some Saturday. Tip to LovinBlue.
I was under the impression that the Philly fans were supposed to be jerks. I guess I was wrong.

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First round

I still get the impression the Colts will draft a WR in round one unless a premiere DT falls to them, which is doubtful.

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by Brad Wells on Mar 10, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions

So

If Crabtree, Maclin, Heyward-Bey, Nicks, Harvin, and Britt are all gone but Matthews, Laurinaitis, Hood, Wells, Moreno etc.. are there you think we’re going to reach for a receiver? Peyton can only be successful with 1st round receivers? Gonzalez, Wayne, Clark, Addai. Harrison’s pretty much been gone for two seasons already and Peyton still managed to scrape together some decent seasons. Off the top of my head I could list about 15 teams that could consider WR a first round need. Just because a WR is taken in the first doesn’t mean he’s a “first round receiver”. First round receivers are either flankers or split ends. Gonzalez has been playing out of position for 2 years, but when he does play outside, he does much better. Not to mention Gonzalez is faster than any of the top 15 receivers aside from Heyward-Bey. Seriously, he is.

We have one question with our receivers, who will be the slot if we use Dallas out of the TE position and go with 3 wide? Gonzalez IS the #2 receiver. Unless he gets hurt, he isn’t losing his job. Essentially we’d be using a first round pick on a 3rd down back. Because that’s what a slot receiver is, a situational player. And the only one in the entire draft that’s a situational player worthy of a first round draft pick is Harvin. But that’s because he’s a 3rd down back, slot receiver, and a returner.

Not to mention I think Garcon could be a great slot receiver. Brandon Stokley, a 4th round pick in 1999, was our best slot receiver to date.

If Raji, Jerry, Hood, all the decent LBs, Wells, Moreno, all the decent OTs, and Davis, Jenkins, Butler, Smith, and Moore are all gone, we’ll probably take Mack or Duke Robinson. Unless Maclin, Harvin, or Heyward-Bey are still there.

No offense, but I’m pretty sure the reason why we haven’t won more titles isn’t the receivers. If Peyton can’t win with Harrison, Wayne, Clark, above average to exceptional receiving RBs, and Gonzalez, we have to reasses Polian’s track record as a great drafter and Peyton’s as one of, if not the best, QB of all time. Which I’m not going to do because, well, that’s silly. The only other way around that is that our receivers aren’t that good and Peyton just makes them look like they are. Which I don’t believe either, but makes more sense than the alternative. If that’s the case, why waste a pick reaching anyway?

I’m just not going to talk about receivers in the first round anymore. Maybe the Colts will go out and sign some scrub in free agency so we can have something else to talk about instead of recycling the same argument.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 10, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Im the one who thinks the Colts should draft a WR, I say go defense the first two rounds in my opinion and the passing game will still be efficient. But I think BBS was implying or at least im implying now is that if 2 or 3 of those WRs are on the board and are the best availabe player in Polians mind, then he will go after one of them. Im not sold Polian would be looking just for a slot reciever like a Harvin if it came down to drafting a WR, but someone who would fit the system with their route running running, intelligence, and good hands.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 10, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

I have no problem with BPA

But Hakeem Nicks is NOT the 27th best player in the draft. He isn’t even close. That’s my point. I don’t say go for DT, OT, LB or anything, I do say “This guy, if he falls would be great.” However, the consensus that’s raging through the Colt community is that “We NEED a WR!” When first, I don’t believe we NEED one but people WANT one, and second, we’d be passing on several players that I believe are far better prospects to address it.

Can you honestly say that Nicks is easily the 27th best player in this year’s draft?

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 10, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think Indy NEEDS a WR

but I think Nicks is close enough to the 27th best player that if the picks before go heavy DT/OT/RB/LB that he’d probablybe the best pick.

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Nicks

List me the teams you consider who either need, or could consider a need at WR. Now rank your WRs. Now look at those teams, and figure what else would be as big a need, or a bigger need. What did you come up with?

I’ll start off by listing how I, personally, feel the WRs will be ranked going into the draft by the draft experts(pre proday numbers with my ranking in []).

1.1 Crabtree – Whoever Crabtree has an agent is a genius. So it’s assumed that he’s not super fast, but an awesome receiver. And nobody would say that he was above the 4.6 range, the game film doesn’t lie the entire year. So he gets a minor injury, and misses out on the debacle that happened with the 40 yard dash times at the combine. Right now, an estimated 4.5-4.59 time doesn’t seem too shabby for someone with his production and film. Couldn’t have worked out better. People say that this might hurt his draft stock, well it may have dropped him but pretty much solidified him as the top receiver.

2008 :1165 yards 4 100 yard games, 19 TDs; Career : 3127 yards, 41 TDs; Schedule : Moderate to below average; Chance to bust : Extremely high taking into account he may not be able to get free or may be exposed by an NFL caliber jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPz7caPqoJE&feature=related (Don’t get me wrong, the song’s awesome, but this is like the 5th time I’ve heard it in a highlight reel)

Who he reminds me of : Andre Johnson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIOp_UIANpU
Best case scenario: He’s Andre Johnson
Worst case scenario : He’s David Terrell
My predicted scenario : He’s Michael Westbrook

No offense to him or his skills predicting Michael Westbrook for him, I grew up right next to D.C. and Westbrook was extremely talented, even at the NFL level. The one thing alot of people have to remember though, is that a receiver doesn’t fix your QB, O-line, RB etc situations. The people with these high picks will take these guys because they’re studs. But they never have a team around them. Not to mention, Bradford is probably better than the majority of the QBs on the teams that would take him. The release of Pace today pretty much means the Rams are taking a tackle, I doubt the Seahawks will take him (still an option and if they do he could go from Westbrook to Fitzgerald), and I don’t see him getting past Jacksonville. Or maybe he has an Irving Fryar career where he’s considered a bust for years and then turns into a very respectable career. The one thing I do know right now, is he’s not going to go into a “Let’s rock and roll!” situation unless he somehow falls to the Packers, Broncos, or Saints (who all have other pressing needs) and god forbid the Chargers or Texans.

2.3Maclin – Very impressive athlete. He was knocked for poor route running. Well, that’s because he never HAD to. Great open field awareness, acceleration, and takes great angles. However, he will not have the luxury of being the most athletically gifted player on the field anymore. Could be great in a few years but may take time to learn complex offensive schemes and learn to be physical.

2008:1260 yards 12 TDs 7 100 yard games; Career:2315 yards 22 TDs; Schedule:Difficult;Chance to bust:High, he’ll at least make an impact as a returner but he relied heavily on being the most athletic player on the field. Sometimes that doesn’t transition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzrltr66LqI

Who he reminds me of : Lee Evans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOtfCNpNWDM
Best case scenario : Joey Galloway
Worst case scenario : Desmond Howard
My predicted scenario : Laveraneus Coles

Laveraneus Coles is very underrated, however, just like Maclin he’s definitely a receiver whose main tool is his speed. Coles never really had a legit QB throwing to him, and as his athletic abilities begin to decline, so does his production. Coles has had a decent career and who knows, maybe he’ll go crazy with Carson Palmer throwing to him and having “Ocho-Cinco” drawing away the double coverage he’s seen almost his entire career. I think Maclin will have a decent career, but unlike other receivers who add athleticism to their bag of tricks, he could be the type that relies on it. He also probably requires a QB with a good arm who can take advantage of his speed. If he’s stuck in a west coast offense, or a team with a QB who can’t stretch the field (I’m looking at you Kyle Orton and Shaun Hill), he’ll be seen as a bust. I actually could see him falling to us depending on who the Ravens take. Other teams could take him, but wouldn’t be able to use him to his full potential. He’d be extremely dangerous matched with DeSean Jackson in Philly or Flacco’s long ball in Baltimore. He’d also be one of the few I would be content with the Colts taking.

3.5Harvin – Yes, he missed time, but not for career threatening injuries. Let me first put out there that the dude almost has a 10 ypc average and almost a 50/50 split in rushing yards and receiving yards. And he runs up the middle. You look at film of him and just look at his runs, he looks like one of the best running backs in the country period. Then look at just his film from receiving, he looks like one of the best receivers period. He was expected to play 15-20 snaps because he was too fragile and hurt in the BCS game. All he did was come out and go for 170 yards against one of the better teams in the country. He’s not high on my receiving list because he’s really not limited to just being a receiver. I downgrade him a little because I’m not 100% sure if he ever had to run a complex route. People knock him on his injury history, but show me another receiver in the group who lines up as a RB and runs like a RB. Personally I think he’s one of the toughest and most physical receiver of the group.

2008:644 yards receiving, 7 receiving TDs 2 100 yard games; 659 rushing yards, 9.4 ypc, 10 rushing TDs 1 100 yard game; Career: 1929 yards receiving, 13 TDs; 1851 rushing yards, 9.54 ypc 19 TDs; Schedule:Extremely difficult; Chance to bust:Moderate to High, his chance will be high if he’s converted to a fulltime RB. He’s not small, but he’s the type of cutting, speed guy that’ll get himself hurt if he’s trying to make a cut or runs full speed into a LB. If he’s a slot receiver, I’d rate him as moderate to low. It’s essentially the same position he had at Florida and I think he’s one of the first people I’ve ever seen as a true slot receiver worthy of a first round pick. If he’s placed as a #1 receiver, his bust rate would probably be High in my opinion because the system would be such a turnaround from what he’s used to that whichever team tried to use him as one would probably give up on him early. At the very least he’ll be a decent returner. Used correctly as a 3rd down back, slot receiver, and a returner he could have a prolific career and start a trend towards drafting hybrids for years like Reggie Bush was supposed to. The difference between him and Bush though is that Reggie always relied on his speed and ran to the outside and gained distance in college, Percy runs through the middle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Uxr7rtcEo

Who he reminds me of : I’ll take “This guy doesn’t exist for $1000 Alex”; If I had to make a comparison I guess I’d have to say if you took Steve Smith and Brian Westbrook and combined the two and divided by 2, added 2.5 lbs and 2.5 inches you’d have an idea. (By the way, if Westbrook is 200 lbs I’m Papa Smurf. I’m not buying what you’re selling Andy Reid!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJGs0juqlc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM_HBAGZ840

Best case scenario: Aside from my fantasy of combining Westbrook and Smith and using him as a 3rd down back and a slot receiver and a returner? Really the only guy that jumps to mind is Lenny Moore. These guys are rare. Either they do one thing significantly better than the other or are forced to be a pure receiver or a pure rusher. If anyone is unclear who Lenny Moore is, he was a hybrid RB/WR who played with Unitas.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorLe00.htm

Worst case scenario : This one’s tough, it’s a tossup between Leon Washington (who’s way to early in his career) and possibly Dante Hall or Brian Mitchell. They never really panned out at their intended position (Mitchell was a QB in college) but still had 14.3k and 23.3k return yards respectively. I wouldn’t call that crap.

My predicted scenario : This is where it gets tricky. What is he? Some team may take him and use him as a returner and 3rd down back, but they won’t rate him as a 1st round pick. Some team may take him as a #1 receiver, but I don’t see how they can rate him as a first round pick that way either. Some team may take him as a #2 receiver and a returner, and I still don’t see how they could justify a first round pick. The only way I honestly could see him as a first round pick would be as a slot receiver, 3rd down back, and a returner. If that’s done, he COULD be the next coming of Lenny Moore. If he’s taking as a back, he probably rates as a Kevin Faulk. If he’s taken as a #1 receiver, he probably rates as a Devin Hester if Hester continues his career at this pace. Although, I don’t think he’ll ever be the type of returner Hester was, but probably a slightly better receiver.

4.8 Heyward-Bey
5.6 Nicks
6. 2Britt
7.7 Robiskie
8.9 Inglesias
9.4Barden
10.10Kelly

And since I’m tired of writing about these guys, I’ll continue later. But so I’m not leaving you hanging why I think Britt is 2 (and honestly, the WRs are so close it’s hard), he’s a tall he’s a little under 6’4, runs ran a 4.48 40, had almost 1400 yards receiving this year, and he’s extremely physical. Not to mention, his film is NFL type film. Not the “I’m faster than everyone here” type.

Example of physicality – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bmvT8odZ4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWUpOVHKK-U

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 10, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions

I like both Britt and Nicks

Nicks seems like surer thing, but Britt can run so has the higher ceiling (with less polish).

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions

first, i just want to say my above post was incorrectly misstated….I forgot to put the “not” in there. “Im the one who thinks the Colts should NOT draft a WR”…My other posts around stampede would further back up my opinion. But I do beleive Nicks is a 1st round player and and depending on whose left on the board, then Yes he could be taken at the 27th pick.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Too funny

Watching that clip from Fitzy was the only thing that made me laugh after that blinking Super Bowl.

Keep the faith!

by Marima on Mar 10, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions

Two reactions

1. The TO “beat to my own beat” was topped only by his “moving from America’s Team to North America’s Team”

2. I have mixed feelings on the worker fired because of the Facebook comment, but mostly side with my inner Libertarian – Facebook is a channel for free speech and he was completely entitled to his opinion (which I also happen to agree with). Sounds like they simply used it as a convenient excuse to cut costs in tough times… rather than blaming the reality of lower projected revenue. On the other hand, it is a good reminder that current and potential employers troll those sites to get a different perspective on your judgement.

by LovinBlue on Mar 10, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions

Re 2

it’s a cycle, first all the High Schoolers were on, then learned that posting pictures of yourself drinking underaged is a bad idea because teachers are learning to use facebook, now adults are learning that their pages are read by employers so they shouldn’t post things that they wouldn’t want seen.

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

Can’t exactly have an expectation of privacy when you are posting on the internet….

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Mar 10, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions

"We get it Vrabel, you can catch the football. So can 5925285925385 other people."

make it 5925285925384 people

I can’t catch. Tiny hands, made it hard to throw a football too (why I played DB).

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions

wow, NFL WRs have 10 inch wide hands

Big hands catch on

Wide receivers come in all sizes. Pro Bowler Steve Smith is 5-9, and Georgia Tech’s Calvin Johnson, the top receiver in the 2007 draft, goes 6-5, 239 pounds. But hand size is critical at this position.

Bigger hands translate to more reliable hands on draft day. Nine-inch hands are good, 10-inch hands are better. Johnson has hands that measure 9¾. Ted Ginn Jr. of Ohio State is six inches shorter (5-11) than Johnson but has bigger hands. They measure 10 inches across. David Clowney of Virginia Tech has 10¼-inch hands. He’s 6-0, 188 pounds with 4.39 speed. The NFL loves his measurables.

Wideouts with small hands generally are moved to defensive back earlier in their football careers. The only cornerback on this draft board with 10-inch hands is Marcus McCauley of Fresno State (10¼).

Ten of the top 35 cornerbacks on the 2007 draft board have hands smaller than nine inches. Only four of the top 40 wide receivers in this draft have hands smaller than nine inches.

measured my hands after reading that, 7 3/4"

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions

small hands, small feet...

by coltsfanawalt on Mar 10, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

i see where you're going with that.....

Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?

by skywalker on Mar 10, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions

10s in walking around shoes, but 9's in running shoes and 8's in my last pair of track spikes

though if you are going somewhere else implied with that I’d suggest that if it were true I’d be insecure about my tiny hands and small feet.

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions

my bad KR

I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It

by shake n bake on Mar 10, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

...big train wreck!

by coltsfanawalt on Mar 10, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Grab bag of comments

KingRichard, that is one funny damn picture of 18 (or is he the anti-18?)

Fitzy is, of course, only worth it when they lose. Even in small doses, that accent…. grrrrrr.

Shake, excellent train wreck pic. Mine are about 8.5 which is small, but I’m just 5-7. If I were 6+ feet tall I assume I’d catch better as well. Maybe I stop coaching when they get up to full-size balls, so the kids never know how lame I really am. It makes piano playing harder too—fat, short fingers. (note to self, start stretching your kids’ hands in their sleep)

Finally, I LOVE that 87 said “Saturday is just as important as Manning.” I don’t know that many people would quite concur, but we get the idea and we’re all happy, too, Reg.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Mar 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

not for one second do I believe matt jones had just a few beers. if the jags are serious on all their “releasing criminals” and getting their locker room free of the thugs he would have been released today. same ole jags

and I wonder why nobody is commenting on the jags “great pickup” of tra thomas and his lack of run blocking when that is exactly what he is going to do…run block for a running team….for which he admits he isnt exactly good at

thomas conceded that run-blocking is not his forte, which is what makes him seem a bit of an odd match to me based on the Jaguars’ offensive personality. But there aren’t many quality offensive tackles on the market, and the Jaguars didn’t seem to want to have to take one with the eighth overall pick in the draft.

I dont get why this is such a great pickup? are they going to pick up orlando pace too because he was a 7 time pro bowler years ago too?

once again there is a reason these players are FREE agents. I actually love the jags picking up this old guy who cant run block. now they will pass on a great one in the draft and in a year they will probably be back to square one with another first round reciever flop.

and reggie wayne is right…resigning saturday was as important as any signing the colts have done in the past few years

by kinnickcolt on Mar 10, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions

and im questioning edwards intelligence as much as T.O.s
the fact that he isnt going to “bother” with TOs past says maybe TO IS on the perfect team

and i forgot to add that tra thomas = TO. when asked how much interest from other teams he had before he signed with jax…his answer was very little…which means no other

by kinnickcolt on Mar 10, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions

I loved that

How could he actually say “no, nobody else was interested in me.” without then adding “Hey, could somebody take this fork out of my back, because I am pretty sure I am done. As is the rest of the NFL.” That crashing sound you hear is his agent banging his head against his computer screen.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Mar 10, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions