Pats Close to Trading for Peppers
by zkmavz on Mar 16, 2009 4:24 PM EDT
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The trade that sent Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel to the Kansas City Chiefs appears to be only the first phase of some major wheeling and dealing by the New England Patriots this offseason.
The second phase, NFL sources say, is likely to involve a trade that would send Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers to the Patriots in exchange for the second-round pick (34th overall) they received from the Chiefs on Feb. 28.
According to league sources, the Patriots and Panthers are hoping to complete the deal at some point between the March 22-25 NFL owners meetings and the start of the draft on April 25.
Peppers, on whom the Panthers have placed a franchise tag that assures him of a one-year contract worth $16.68 million, would be converted to outside linebacker in New England's 3-4 defense.
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If the Panthers are only getting a second round pick
for peppers, then they are getting fleeced. I would ask for 3 of those 4 2nd round picks for peppers (at least I think the Pats have 4 2nd rounders)
by metal_militia on Mar 16, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4 picks in the first 2 rounds. 2 firsts and 2 seconds?? 1 first and 3 seconds?
2 firsts and 2 seconds seems right
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
by skywalker on Mar 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 first 3 seconds
their 1st, their 2nd, the Chiefs 2nd (for Cassel/Vrabel) and the Chargers 2nd (for their 3rd last year to get Jacob Hester)
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by shake n bake on Mar 16, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then
the Panthers should ask all of NE second rounders.
by metal_militia on Mar 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh
I don’t think Peppers has even signed his tag yet so technically they can’t trade him. And if he does sign it, I don’t think the Pats have the cap room for a 17.5 million contract and it’d be stupid to give up the compensation picks for him.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They'd probably have to have a contract agreed on with Peppers before the deal
so then Peppers signs the tag, Panthers trade his rights for the 2nd rounder and Peppers signs the previously agreed upon contract.
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by shake n bake on Mar 16, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I know that’s what they’d have to do, but there’s several other teams that’d give up their first round pick for Peppers. It happens with every rumor about an elite player and the media frenzy. Jason Taylor was supposed to be a Patriot .1 seconds after getting released from the Redskins. If you went by the media rumors and assumptions, the Patriots would look like :
Tom Brady
Randy Moss
Wes Welker
Larry Fitzgerald
Antonio Gates
Tomlinson
LeRon McClain
Orlando Pace
Matt Birk
Alan Faneca
Matt Light
Richard Seymour
Ellis Hobbs
Leigh Bodden
Jerod Mayo
Julius Peppers
Adalius Thomas
Vince Wilfork
Ed Reed
Jermaine Phillips
Rey Lewis
Jason Taylor
Not to mention Peppers could fall flat on his face switching to OLB. Dwight or Mathis sound like great fits for OLB but I’d never want them to switch. I don’t think they’d be as dominant. Maybe Mathis since he’s a pass rushing specialist. Peppers doesn’t want to play OLB, he saw what Ware did and wants to blitz 100% of the time standing up. That’s a 4-3 with you standing up….
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by monstersbox on Mar 16, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This means tha,t essentially
New England would have traded Matt Cassel for Peppers. It is a good move for NE, overall.
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by BigBlueShoe on Mar 16, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
Cassel and Vrabel for Peppers sounds much better than Cassel and Vrabel for a second rounder.
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by shake n bake on Mar 16, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're telling me
The Pats defensive line next year could consist of Seymour, Wilfork, and Peppers? Crikey.
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by JakeTheSnake on Mar 16, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peppers wants to be a 3-4 OLB
no idea if he’ll stick to his guns there, or if he was just giving the Panthers an impossible to fill task so they’d get rid of him.
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by shake n bake on Mar 16, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
I forgot about that part. As you can tell, I’ve been keeping up quite well with football lately. (But the basketball season is almost over, I’ll catch up soon. Are TO and Jerry Jones still getting along? :P)
But even still, a linebacker corps with Bruschi, Mayo, Thomas, and Peppers doesn’t help me sleep at night either.
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by JakeTheSnake on Mar 16, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old, Good, Overrated, Overrated
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by KingRichard on Mar 16, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
If Peppers wants to rush 100% of the time, doesn’t it take more of the guessing game out of the 3-4? For Peyton, it would seem to make that defense easier to solve and pick apart. Other than Mayo, those LBs are slow and getting old fast. Clark would have a field day….
by AceOfSpades on Mar 16, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it
I dearly hope this happens and that the Pats sign Peppers to a monster contract.
Please make it so, Belichick.
by project geo on Mar 16, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too. Peppers is so overrated it’s not even funny. Sign him!
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by KingRichard on Mar 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that peope arguing Peppers over Freeney talked about Freeney not playing the run
but Peppers now comes out and flat out says he doesn’t want a DE’s run D responsibilities, he just wants to go after the QB.
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by shake n bake on Mar 16, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard
To play the run, play the pass, play football when you’re being double teamed every play and people have a deathgrip on your facemask and they’re not calling it. Dwight’s alot better against the run than some fools think.
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by monstersbox on Mar 16, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
period
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by KingRichard on Mar 16, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is peppers overrated?
http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3
by torontocoltsfan on Mar 16, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he immediately became overrated
as soon as Vic Carucci of NFL.com reported that the Patriots were interested in signing him I think.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 16, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yah
the dude’s 6’7 280, ridiculous wingspan, double digit sack machine, still only 29 and rarely gets injured.
he may not be as explosive as freeney, but i find it hard to call him overrated. I don’t want to see him in a Pats uniform.
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by torontocoltsfan on Mar 16, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Schefter
just told Boston Sportsradio WEEI this morining that the odds of Peppers NOT playing for the Patriots are 99.9%. In his opinion the deal will not happen simply because it would cost to much and New England still has some key players it has to sign (Wilfork, Seymour, Mankins.) It was a nice thought though.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 17, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Reach by BB
Moving Peppers to OLB in a 3-4 would be a mistake IMHO. I don’t see the fit, even if he rushes the passer on most downs he’ll still occasionally have added responsibilities that he probably doesn’t want, and isn’t ideally suited for. Everyone always thinks that every fast DE could be converted to OLB but it doesn’t seem to happen/work very often. I’ll believe it when I see it anyway. The Pats seem to be a big rumor machine this time of year, of course with ESPN so close by and so ready to tout ANY Pats news/rumor it’s pretty easy for them to generate disinformation.
by Rob-Westside on Mar 16, 2009 7:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Panthers | Hurney denies possible Peppers trade talk
Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:19:39 -0700
Charles Chandler, of the Charlotte Observer, reports Carolina Panthers general manager Marty Hurney issued a statement denying a report that stated the Panthers were talking with the New England Patriots about a possible trade involving DE Julius Peppers. “By the rules of the CBA, we cannot and have not had any conversations with other teams about Julius. Under the non-exclusive franchise tag, Julius and his agent, Carl Carey, are within their rights to talk to other teams about a potential contract. However, at this point, we are not aware of any such conversations,” Hurney said.
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by monstersbox on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so they aren't suppose to talk about trading him unti he signs
because obviously you can have trade talks about a signed F-Tagged player (Cassel).
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by shake n bake on Mar 17, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Peppers would only bring a 2nd Rounder
Albeit a high one, Jared Allen brought a middle of the 1st round pick (17? I think) from the Vikes and I think Peppers would be just about as valuable. Maybe if the Pats gave up the high 2nd rounder along with another of their 2nd round picks and a future 2nd rounder. That MIGHT make it feasible but I think the Panthers could snag something around 20 if they really wanted to.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
by halfchest on Mar 17, 2009 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They got alot more than a 1st rounder
Think it was a 1st, two 3rds, and they might’ve swapped 6th rounders. And I agree, that’s why I said it’d be stupid earlier. Especially since uh…the Panthers don’t give a crap if he wants to play in a 3-4 or not. He may not sign the franchise but who’s he hurting then? Ok, you don’t want to play for us, so go ahead and give up 17.whatever million. Not to mention there’s more than one team that’d be begging to trade for him that are a 3-4 or are switching to a 3-4. Pretty sure the Packers want to win now with the age of their players. Pretty sure San Diego needs a pass rusher. And hell, if Cutler refuses to play for Denver, straight up trade him to Carolina. Or do something with TB, get McCown (he fits your QB style better anyway) and a pick and trade a pick and Scheffler (who’s on the trading block anyway) to Carolina. Use one of their picks on a QB so McDaniels can have his hardon for QBs with less talent and now you have your OLB. Or just trade Cutler to TB for their first and like 4th round, trade TBs pick etc. To think Carolina would give him away for a second round pick is retarded. There’s about 10 teams that would easily give up their first and another one and 20 or so that would offer more than just one second rounder. But apparently BB has the Jedi mind trick down and because they’re the Patriots, he gets whatever he wants.
How long is it going to take for people to realize that the Patriots haven’t won a Super Bowl in 4 years?
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by monstersbox on Mar 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
The Pats went to the AFCCG in ‘06 and SB XLII in ’07, coming within 90 seconds of victory in each. It’s not like they fell off the map, after being the last dynasty in the NFL earlier in the decade.
Now, I agree to the point about Belichick’s hubris hurting his team the last few years and for the future. Obviously that’s good for the Colts.
by project geo on Mar 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it's not that BB gets what he wants..
…believe it or not, players want to play for him.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 17, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean
Like Moss? The same Moss that played like crap for the Raiders, had a known attitude problem and everyone thought was finished? Or maybe you mean Rodney Harrison. The same Rodney Harrison who was 31 years old and figured past his prime. Or maybe Seau, that 37 year old linebacker who WAS past his prime. Wes Welker? The Wes Welker that was traded for a 2nd and 7th round pick? Corey Dillon? The same Corey Dillon who was a 30 year old RB that was traded for a 2nd round pick and had 541 yards after injuries and a history of running his mouth? Or maybe all the players they drafted? Or maybe Vrabel, that dude from Pittsburgh that didn’t start a single game since he was drafted in 1997? Larry Centers? 35 year old FB who started 3 games? 43 year old Doug Flutie that his entire contribution could be considered a dropkick during meaningless garbage time? Stallworth and all his awesomeness? How’s that elite Deltha O’neil working out for you? I bet you guys are stoked Adalius Thomas decided to take a paycut of 7 million per year to be on a winnar.
Mayo
Seymour
Light
Brady
Banta-Cain
Wilfork
Watson
Hobbs
Cassel
Maroney
Faulk
Bruschi
Law
Milloy
Glenn
McGinest
Samuel
Brown
Warren
Gay
Green
Face it dude, it’s a complete fabrication that players are kicking down the Patriots door to get a “chance at that ring baby!” They either draft, pay the same amount some other team would, trade, or pick up players other teams released due to age, attitude, or production. The fact that it panned out for them and those players were good earlier in their careers doesn’t mean that some dude is running up to them with a 10 million/yr contract and they’re turning it down to “prove” themselves. Players WANT to play for him because they’re 1) Drafted, 2) Paid, 3) Considered declining or attitude players.
The only difference between the Pats and the Jets is that Mangini has to wear a helmet when he goes outside.
And you think Peppers cares about winning? What? He cares about a contract. Yeah, going 12-4 and being the #2 seed in the NFC with probably the most dominating running games down the stretch definitely is reason to get out of town and go to a true winner. Like a team that didn’t make the playoffs and their QB is coming back from a major knee surgery. That 38 year old Joey Galloway and 33 year old Fred Taylor signing is making him think it’s a surefire Super Bowl baby! So they trade Vrabel and Cassel, which saves them about 16-17 million against the cap, go out and sign several players. Peppers gets paid 16.something million this year if he signs the tag. It’s not happening unless they start dumping some players.
I mean I’m all for it. I’d LOVE to see Peppers trying to drop back into coverage against the Colts. I’m just letting you know that you’re letting the media brainwash you. The Patriots are just like any other team. The only difference is their gambles paid off. But that’s exactly what they were.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 17, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry pal, terrific rant but I'm not buying it
No one in the NFL plays for free and no one plays for long on a team that doesn’t want him, so the contract point you make is moot. But I guess I’m not getting what you mean. Your third point is the key. It’s the players who are more experienced, unhappy with the way they’re being used on their current team, or who for once, just want to keep playing in January that want to play for BB. They know that if they can hitch a ride on the resurrection train to Foxboro, they’ve got a better shot at extending their football career than they would with some other teams. And sometimes they’ll make a deal to do it. Give me your tired, your poor, your older disgruntled players yearning for a ring.
A lot of guys don’t just want to play and be a body out there, playing out his contract – they want to win. Shawn Springs just came from his exile with the 0-16 Lions and wanted to play for a team that wins and has a chance to make the playoffs, can you blame him? Why did Fred Taylor choose the Patriots over Buffalo? He said it was no contest. He doesn’t have the youngest legs in the business anymore and knows that Belichick will put him in the best possible position to succeed.
Asante Samuel wanted more money (he even has “get paid” tattooed on his arm), Heath Evans left for more money, nothing wrong with that and it happens on every team. New England’s bargains don’t always pan out, but who ever expects them to? It’s a bonus all around to get an Antoine Smith, Adalius Thomas, Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau and other “washed up players past their prime” who come in and play hard and it works out. Other times it doesn’t – like with Deltha O’Neal and those other free agent cornerbacks who never made it past pre-season. But to say that the Patriots of this decade are just like any other team isn’t true. There’s something to be said for an organization with stable ownership, a winning record, and a solid coaching staff with a system that works.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 17, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not exactly sure how that went over your head
But the part about Shawn Springs playing in Detroit was awesome.
By the way, Fred Taylor chose the Patriots over Buffalo because he 1) Had friends on the Patriots 2) He would clearly be the 3rd string back behind Lynch and Jackson but has a chance to see a significant amount of playing time for NE. And 5 million dollars for 2 years is ALOT of money for a 33 year old RB who had 500 yards and 1 TD last season.
Let me edit your statement : “Give me your tired, your poor, your older disgruntled players yearning for a ring who we’re going to pay as much or more for than other teams or trade picks for if they weren’t cut.”
Show me one player the Patriots have acquired that is 1) In their prime, 2) One of the best players at their position, 3) Would demand one of the top contracts in Free Agency if not THE highest, 4) Came in as a FA at a severely reduced contract.
I never said the old players nobody wants didn’t come in and give another year or two and contribute to the Patriots. The big names that came in were either old or had reasons to be cut and not have teams throwing money at them. The Randy Moss deal was the exact same thing as what happened with T.O. this season. They took a chance, he produced and kept his mouth shut, and now he’s making 9 mil/yr. By the way, there’s a very good chance that Randy Moss never gets that ring. And Shawn Springs signed a 3 year 10.5 million contract as a 34 year old CB. And by the way, Dillon asked to be released by the Patriots.
Just to help you out a little bit, Leigh Bodden was the Lion DB.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the help - Bodden and Springs just came aboard and I mixed them up.
Not many teams period can pay more than a few players in their primes big free agency money, and even if they could it’s not always a good idea – look at the Cowboys for instance. You wrote Rodney Harrison off as past his prime when he came to New England, but really? Was he? He played like a beast when we got him and he told his agent to get the deal done after a cheap dinner with Belichick at some chain burger joint. Why? Because Belichick told him at the outset – without any mention whatsoever of his ‘attitude’ – We want you, we think you can still play, we have a plan for you.
Bodden is still a good example. He interviewed with the Patriots, then left without a deal to visit other teams. He came back and signed a one-year deal with New England. The big money he wanted wasn’t offered anywhere so he chose to play 1 year with the Patriots. In his words:
Q: Did going through something like that make you want to ensure you went to a winning team in free agency?
LB: Definitely. I spoke to some of the guys that I know around the league, just discussing that with the wins that I have-that a lot of people have-not being a part of a winning team definitely takes a toll on you. Everybody wants to win in this league, but everybody is not fortunate enough to be on winning teams. But I had a choice to be on a winner and I chose that, and I’m just excited for the challenge. I’m just ready to be a part of the New England Patriots and learn the system and do the things that the coaches need me to do.
Now I know some of this is part ‘hey I’m on your team and I’m happy to be here’ speech, but he worded it this way because it was important to him.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 18, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, this isn't just my personal homerism showing
Can you concede that there have been players who chose the Colts because they wanted to play for Coach Dungy? Play with Peyton? Were there players who stayed on the team or restructured their contracts for those reasons? It’s not ALWAYS just about the money. Sure players want to get paid, but if a free agent has a choice between two teams offering a similar paycheck, players will use other factors to make their decision, and a winning record, a stable organization, and or a team with a Hall Of Fame quarterback can all factor into that decision.
Matt Bowen of the National Football Post just wrote an article about this same topic. Pretty interesting from a former NFL player with no ties to New England at all.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 18, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point
Because for the most part I agree with you. If someone’s max salary is going to be 3 million to Detroit and 2.5 million to the Patriots, yeah they’re going to go to the Patriots. My point is that this whole “Peppers is coming to NE!” happens with EVERY big name that’s gone into FA or been disgruntled if it’s a position that the Patriots need. But Peppers is not going to take a contract for less than 10 million/yr. The reason he wants to move to OLB is because he saw what Ware did and thinks he can get 50 million sacks if he was in that type of system. The stats mean more money to him. The Patriots hit on more dudes with gas left in the tank than most people normally do, I agree. But they weren’t taking paycuts when they initially got there.
Concerning the Colts, we generally pay our own. Plenty of people say they WANT to play for the Colts but we don’t go into free agency. Hell Haynesworth, Housh, and quite a few others said they would love to play for us. But Haynesworth would love to play for us at 12 million/yr.
The point I’m making is that I agree with you for the most part, but I wasn’t talkign about 30+ year olds or people trying to make a comeback. Peppers isn’t going to say “Sign me up for vet min!” just to get a chance to play with the Pats. Bodden, Moss, Dillon etc. came from complete crap teams and the Patriots go into Free Agency, offer them around what other teams would or acquire them through trades. Teams like Pittsburgh and the Colts don’t do that. Even though I think if the Colts had offered Taylor 2.5 million per year he’d be a Colt. But if Tampa Bay had offered him 8 million for 2 years, he’d be a Buc.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, okay, I get it
With the Peppers situation, I fall into the group that believes his agent might have leaked out the interest from the Patriots to perk up his price and competition for his services. I’d be absolutely stunned if Peppers took a long-term $10 million/year contract, which is what it would have to be since Wilfork, Seymour and Mankins still need to be signed this year.
Just as the Colts tend to avoid the free agency dance, the Patriots as a rule don’t usually go after the big-name-big-ticket players. Their philosophy has been to use free agency to plug some immediate holes, and go into the Draft free to choose the best available player with their picks (instead of being locked into having to pick for a particular position.) But if Peppers or other players are going to throw out a team name, it will be news whether the Patriots approached him or Peppers and his agent approached them.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Peppers using the Patriots as leverage to get out of Carolina
but no way would the Patriots use all of their cap space to sign him while the need most of that money to sign other deserving, productive players.
Someone mentioned Peppers wanting to go to a team that runs a 3-4 defense in order to collect a ton of sacks like Ware did last season. He really doesn’t seem to be concern with winning since Carolina won the NFC South and was the #2 seed in the NFC. He seems to be a very selfish player and only cares about his individual success, not the team’s. Based on his intentions, NE would not be a good place for him.
by KMR24 on Mar 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at the start of their Colts careers, players rarely choose the Colts
the Colts choose them. 30 players on the Colts current roster have never been free agents. They were drafted by Indy and either on their rookie contract or got contract extensions/F-tagged then signed a new deal. Another 24 have never played a game for another franchise (54 of 63)
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by shake n bake on Mar 18, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's the other point
The Colts rely more on the draft alone than most teams. Absolutely.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Mar 18, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
And you’re not a moronic media person who just thinks that the Patriots open the doors and all the Free Agents run in and fall to their knees saying they’ll pay NE to let them play for them. Which is what pisses me off. Hell, I can’t stand the Patriots, but if I were a NFL football player and had the option to go to Detroit for 10 million or NE for 8 I’d go to NE if the Colts wouldn’t take me.
And the thing about Peppers using it for leverage really isn’t true. The media and the media alone fabricated the rumor. Both the Patriots and Carolina denied it. It wasn’t until after the rumor that Peppers’ agent said NE would be on his list of teams to accept a trade to. NOW he’s using it as leverage.
Not to mention he doesn’t suit the Patriots system. All he wants to do is play a standup 4-3 DE that rushes every single down.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
how much would it take for you to play for the Colts? =-P
if I were a NFL football player and had the option to go to Detroit for 10 million or NE for 8 I’d go to NE if the Colts wouldn’t take me
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by peytonsthebest on Mar 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me?
I’d pay them and ask for bread and water. Maybe a cardboard box when it rained.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunk with Peyton??
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
by skywalker on Mar 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and most of the 7 that have played for another team are fringe guys
Condren, Alexander, Petrowski, Drago, Okwo, Bustah and Vinny
Vinny is the only one that isn’t a PS, end of the roster type guy.
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by shake n bake on Mar 18, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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