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Road to the Draft: Defensive Backs

By request, I will do the defensive backs now.  Personally, I think the defensive backs are fine, but in a lot of mocks I have seen the Colts taking corners in round 1.  Interesting to say the least.  With one of the top pass defenses in the league even though half of the corners were on IR, I am content.  However, nothing is perfect for Bill Polian.  Even though we will see a great competition in training camp between Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden, Tim Jennings, TJ Rushing, Michael Coe, (maybe) Keiwan Ratliff, Nick Graham, Brandon Foster, Brandon Sumrall and Dante Hughes for four or five spots at corner while Bob Sanders, Antoine Bethea, Melvin Bullitt, Brannon Condren, Jamie Silva, Travis Key (don't know when this guy came aboard) and maybe Matt Giordano go for four safety spots, the Colts may draft one or two defensive backs.  However, I do not see this being a huge need for the Colts.  Here are some players that could be a target for the Colts.

 

Alphonso Smith/CB/Wake Forest: This is the guy that people have the Colts taking in the first round.  The Colts actually have made contact with him, but that was before Kelvin Hayden was resigned.  I would wait to see if there is any contact now that the best corner on the team is coming back.  Smith is a very good corner who is projected to go in the early second round.  He is short but very fast.  The concerning thing about him is his lack of tackling abilities.  I don't want another Tim Jennings on the team.  I would be distressed if they took Smith at #27.

Michael Hamlin/SS/Clemson: Hamlin had contact with the Colts at his all-star game.  He is definitely a run stopper.  He had 326 tackles at Clemson, which is great for a defensive back.  The problem is that he does not play pass coverage well at all.  Hamlin is projected to go at the bottom of the second, but I don't think the Colts would take him unless if they would move him to linebacker.  He's 6-3, 206 pounds and he has good agility.  However, the Colts need good pass defenders as linebackers.  Unless his stock plummets to the fourth or fifth round, he should not be taken.

Chip Vaughn/SS/Wake Forest: This guy's scouting report is a lot like Hamlin's.  He is a great run stopper but doesn't play well against the pass.  The difference is that he is projected to go in the late third round and is faster.  He could be an option in the draft if the Colts would take him as a linebacker.  Hey, it worked for Cato June.

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 David Bruton/FS/Notre Dame: I love David Bruton.  He went to Notre Dame and that is a large part of the reason why, but he also is the best special teams player in this draft.  Notre Dame had one of the best special teams in the country last year because of Brian Polian, a Rudy-esque walk-on and David Bruton.  As a safety, I wouldn't take him because of his stiff hips, but he could be amazing as a Tampa-2 linebacker.  He ran an official 4.46 forty at the Combine, where time slowed and fast players ran 40s .2 seconds slower than usual.  He is around 6-2, 220 pounds.  Bulking up wouldn't hurt him, but he is great at stopping the run.  I'm sure Brian is in Bill's ear telling him about Bruton.  If the Colts take him, Polian will know every positive about him.

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These four have all been in contact with the Colts at some point.  They have talked to only one corner, which is not surprising.  However, the trend of scouting safeties that aren't great in pass coverage is interesting.  Will they draft someone and convert them to linebacker or are they going for a different type of safety?  Michael Hamlin has been compared to Roy Williams, which scares me.  Bruton would be my pick out of these four, but I am a homer as my screen name implies.

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Mocking Dan unintentionally scared me off of Alphonso Smith

with this

If he were two or three inches taller, it’s likely he’d be considered a top-10 pick.

almost the exact same thing was said about Tim Jennings, around the draft.

They ball when they can and I'm ballin' by nature
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-Lil Wayne "Fireman"

by shake n bake on Mar 17, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A CB could be taken within the first 3 rounds because of the possible losses of Jackson and Jennings after next season. Even though the Colts will have one of the best secondaries in the league, they may need someone to groom for the starters position the following year if Jackson and Jennings are not retained.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 17, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More likely

We draft a safety, convert Bethea back to CB (he came in as one) Bullit starts at FS and Bob stays at SS and we “groom” another SS to backup Bob.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was a college safety

I know he dropped because he was built like a CB more than a safety (until he gained 10-15lbs in his first offseason), but I don’t remember that and kind of doubt he had time for an aborted position change and beating out an established starter in TC.

They ball when they can and I'm ballin' by nature
Addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton
-Lil Wayne "Fireman"

by shake n bake on Mar 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad choice of words

You’re right, he projected as a CB and I think they intended to use him as one but tried him out when Doss went out in preseason. They let Giordano have a shot at it, but Bethea showed he was much better. I think he could, especially now being in the system for a bit, definitely switch to DB. In fact, if Marlin isn’t ready to go, I expect it.

As for converting Bullitt or Bethea, I’d rather convert Bethea to be the CB. He’s actually one of the few DBs I’d trust in man coverage on the team. Besides, Bullit would be taking over the FS role and be playing the coverage spot if we drafted a bigger SS (If you want to call him a WILL that’s cool) to play in the box with Bob. Or you know, we could rotate them with Bullitt on the bigger physical receivers and Bethea on the faster ones. I just like Bullitt staying as a safety. I guess my point is, is that it doesn’t matter who we use as long as Bob does his thing. I think both of them could do well but would give a slight edge to Bethea due to experience and speed. Not to mention if there’s an injury to Bob he could rotate back into the FS position and we could put Bullitt in the box. If only Giordano showed improvement on anything but special teams. He’d be perfect as a single deep safety with his speed.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about converting Bullit

to CB?

Regardless, the thought having both Sanders and Bullit on the field at the same time makes me all tingley inside.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Mar 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Polian had the plans before the ‘08 season of moving Bullitt to FS as the starter and Bethea to eventually the CB position full-time. Even if your scenario works out (which I’m not against), Bethea could also be leaving after this next season due to Free Agency, and once again the CB position may not have that depth or reliable full-time starter next to Hayden. This makes me think that its more likely that the Colts will draft a CB before a Safety.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 18, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say he did before 08

I think the events that unfolded by the end of the season make it an option. Jackson’s knee, Bullitt emerging as a legitimate starter, Bethea being in man to man coverage more often than people realize and the fact that I think he might be one of, if not the best coverage back we have, and I don’t think I’m alone in thinking I’d rather resign Bethea than Jackson once we reach that crossroad. Straight up I WANT Bullitt on the field as a starter, not a backup. So who would you remove from the secondary to make room for him? At this point, Marlin may not even be ready for the start of the season. So the question is, would you bench Bethea in favor of Jennings? I just looked at that question and smacked myself for typing it. CB # 1 Hayden, CB #2 Bethea, FS Bullit, SS Sanders is alot more assuring to look at than CB #1 Hayden, CB # 2 Jennings (or ACL recovering Jackson), FS Bethea, SS Sanders.

And that’s assuming the CBA gets finished. Marlin could probably be had for a relatively low price. I don’t think many people will pursue a 5th year player who right now has 3 total interceptions for his career and an ACL injury very aggressively. And I don’t see Irsay and Polian allowing Bethea to get away knowing Bob’s injury history. I love Bob and think he’s one of the best safeties in the entire league when healthy. He’s arguably my favorite Colt (aside from Manning). But I’m going to be perfectly honest and straight up tell you that Bethea has definitely been the best safety on our team for the past 3 seasons.

Consider this, look at the numbers for their careers for a second;

Bob – 45 games played 3.5 sacks, 5 interceptions, 4 fumbles recovered, 15 passes defended, 217 tackles, 72 assists
Bethea – 43 games played 0 sacks, 7 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered, 17 passes defended, 187 tackles, 69 assists

Pretty close huh? What’s the difference? Those numbers include 5 seasons for Bob and 3 for Bethea. That’s huge. Bob’s numbers in 3 seasons playing with Bethea are;

25 games played, 3.5 sacks (he got them all in 2007), 4 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered, 10 passes defended, 116 tackles, 47 assists

I’m not even sure if Bob and Bethea were both in their final years that Polian would immediately keep Bob and let Bethea walk. Like I said, Bob’s one of my favorite Colts, I love the guy. And if I thought about it for a long time, I’ll be honest with you, I might decide to keep Bethea over him. Potential and what he’s done and what I think he can do when he’s healthy is amazing. But tell me your reaction when they said Bob was out this year and every week they kept saying “Maybe this week, maybe not.” or “He’ll play.” and didn’t. Tell me your reaction when we found out that Bob had his knee operated on and is probably going to start on the PUP list this season. Why was there one fanpost with like 5 comments about it? If you’re like me, you shrugged and said “Figures.” That’s NOT good. Why are we all so stoked about Bullitt? Because we know that he has a good chance of starting more than half the games even if he remains a backup.

With that said, if they’re all healthy, I’d want all three of them on the field at the same time. And the only way that’s going to happen is if put both Bullitt and Bob in the box. We could use Bethea just like we did this year as the single deep safety, but the thing is, I don’t trust Bob to stay healthy if he remains the blitzing safety. I’d rather him attacking the line than Bullit because Bob’s a phenom at it. But at this point, Bob HAS to take less of a punishment and I don’t think Bullit will offer the same threat attacking the line as Bob does. So that’s why I say I’d like to use Bullitt as the single deep safety, Bob in the box but not attacking as much, Bethea as a CB, and drafting another BIG safety to take over some of the responsibilities Bob has. Because Bob’s not only a run stopper, he’s fantastic in coverage. I’d almost go as far as to say I’d rather have Bob as the single deep safety and Bullitt and a drafted safety in the box. He’s that much of a force and adds so much energy that just being on the field improves our defense.

All drafting a CB is going to do is force us to bench one of our safeties or wait for an injury to play one of them. Unless we’re playing a nickel. And I’d rather not bench better players because they’re labeled as a certain position when I think they can easily and immediately upgrade our team at another position that I feel they could convert to without being an impediment.

I’ve seen Bethea play man to man on more than one occasion and he impressed me. I’ve also seen Jennings play man to man and vomited in my mouth.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 18, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again, I like all three players on the field and I’m not against Bethea taking one of the CB spots, I just do not think the Colts are going to play out like that. I figure if the Colts were going to use Bethea as the #2 CB, wouldn’t they have done it this past season when both Hayden and Jackson were inactive a couple games and the combo of Sanders, Bullitt, and Bethea were playing? During running downs, they could have gone Jennings or Ratliff and then Bethea as the CBs, 3 LBs, and Bullitt and Sanders as the safeties. Passing situations they could have subtracted a LB with either Giordano or Silva coming in. I wouldn’t even be remotely suprised if this were to be Bethea’s last year, knowing that Bullitt can come in and play safety and the Colts may not be able to afford Bethea. I just find it more likely that Colts will draft a CB, similiar to how Polian went about with Hayden/Jackson, and then have him start his 2nd season rather than the Colts re-sign Bethea (if even possible given their cap situation) to start at the CB position.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 18, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That situation never happened this season

Bethea was the only one to play the entire season. Bob played weeks 1,2,9,10,14,16. Hayden missed games 6-11. Jackson missed weeks 9-17. Bob never played when both Hayden and Jackson were out. And they’d do it if Giordano didn’t suck at coverage.

You’re seriously underestimating Bethea’s value. He took Doss’ job his first year essentially, he made the pro bowl his second season, and he’s the only player in one of the best secondaries in the league to play the entire season. He played 1 safety deep on several occasions because he was fast enough to do give safety help to either side of the field. The only other person in the league I’ve seen do that and be successful is LaRon Landry of the Redskins. After Sean Taylor was killed, they started doing it. Very few safeties can handle it and they have to be extremely quick to react and fast.

If Bob didn’t establish himself during his healthy seasons as a phenomenal safety, you’d seriously recognize what Bethea means to the team. Seriously, think about it. The ONLY player on one of the best secondaries in the league to start the entire season. They gave up six TDs. He’s also the only starter to play with Jackson, Hayden, and Bob out all at the same time. It was during the Houston game, and none of those TDs were passing touchdowns. Sage went 0/1.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 19, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"took Doss' job his firt year essentially"

Bethea straight up did. You alluded to Doss being hurt in preseason which I didn’t remember, but he played the last preseason game and every game after that (until he blew out his knee week 7), but he didn’t start week 1 or 2 (he started week 3-7 because Bob was hurt).

Doss missing time in preseason cracked the door open and Bethea just blasted it off it’s hinges. He’s a relatively hard hitter, but he’s more of a cover safety. He plays a pretty slick centerfield.

They ball when they can and I'm ballin' by nature
Addicted to the game like Jordan and Peyton
-Lil Wayne "Fireman"

by shake n bake on Mar 19, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking about your three of of Bethea, Bullitt, and Sanders, where each of them played in the Patriots and Steelers game while Jackson and Hayden were hurt. Bethea had the chance to play the CB as a starter, but didnt. I would think the Colts would have gone with your plan by now. I’m ot even remotely underestimating Bethea’s value, I’m just saying I don’t think the Colts are going to draft a corner over a safety, which is where this whole argument started from.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 19, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I wasn’t taking it as an argument, but I do know one thing; the Colts have interviewed 3 safeties and 1 CB. Normally one or two doesn’t mean much, but when a team has looked at one position more than twice it shows a trend. Maybe nobody can play 1 safety deep as well as Bethea and he helps both sides of the field? Safeties are more important than CBs in a T2. That’s just the way the scheme is. And I tend to agree with you that he probably won’t switch unless Bullitt can play 1 deep safety, but that’s more about how good Bethea is over anything else. I wouldn’t even be thinking of what they’re considering to do with Bethea if they weren’t talking to safeties. If your take on it is correct, they’re either looking for Bob’s replacement and depth or Bullit will still be a backup. I can see them playing 3 safeties, and they did last year, but I don’t see them playing 4 at once. And they’re looking at early safeties, Vaughn is a 3rd round pick. And the safeties they’re looking at aren’t free safeties, they’re in the box strong safeties. So unless they think Bullitt can take over for Bethea, which I wouldn’t count on, I’m almost certain Bethea gets a contract or they franchise him. The franchise number for a safety is low in comparison to the majority of the tag numbers.

Shake, Doss had a calf injury in preseason. Bethea was getting playing time at SS when Bob was out, and when Bob came back he still played.

And I agree, I don’t think the colts are going to draft a corner over a safety either.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 19, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I messed up earlier, I meant to say that I think the Colts will be more likely to draft a CB over a Safety. But really its all opinion, speculation, and possibilities. It seems like Polian has transitioned to point where he is starting to keep his key Defensive players, rather than letting them go and then drafting someone to replace them. This gives me a reason to be optimistic that Bethea will be re-signed, but I wouldn’t be suprised still if he wasn’t.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 19, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I was messing with you with that part.

And I agree. I believe Polian is going to turn this into a defensive team and allow the veterans on O to playout. It might be hard to replace a HoF receiver in Harrison, but it’s pretty much impossible to replace Peyton. It’s also why I think the trend of “O first, replace the defense when their rookie contracts expire” will be out the door to a certain extent. It not only gives us a better chance to win now, but it’s the ONLY way we’ll be remotely respectable when (sniff sniff) Peyton retires. Otherwise we’d end up being Buffalo, Detroit, or KC. I’m not sure if I can handle that.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 19, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost forgot to include this;

http://www.colts.com/modules/article7_print.cfm?news_id=21b607d1-3e2d-4a54-bda7-b409ee0475c7

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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