The "Ultimate" Colts Draft Preview
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not being vain, "ultimate" is used only to signify that this isn't a typical mock draft or randomly mentioning players who might "interest" the Colts. This is a mixture of the two put together in a way which intends to forecast 1) who we may, or I think we should, value most at each of our picks and 2) who may actually be available when we make our selection.
Most mock drafts, imo, are weak because they put mock drafters in the unrealistic position of not only predicting WHO we will draft with a given pick but that the player actually WILL be there. So, for the sake of potentially forecasting guys who we may see in a Colts uniform next year, I will try to give a more complete look at the 2009 Colts draft, as I see it.
To start, though Polian has a history of drafting BPA, particularly early in the draft, I will list team needs ranked by position.
1. DT - Hands down biggest need position imo. No other position is even close.
2. LB - We just picked up Seward, so our need goes down a bit. But he's been a back-up his whole career for Carolina. It's possible that we still need one or two OLBs.
3. OT - Ryan Diem's production in recent years and his injury history suggest that maybe it is time to draft his replacement. Ugoh is in his "do or die" year as well. Getting an OT to develop this year, or to step in by mid-year for Diem is pretty important.
4. WR - With the exit of Marvelous, we could be looking for a wideout. Getting a guy we can develop to line up across from Reggie would be nice.
5. RB - Addai, Hart, Ball, Dawson, Simpson is not a bad group. Addai/Hart/Ball can easily be an upgrade already over the Addai/Rhodes/Simpson depth chart from last year. Still, if a good back is available to use as a value pick in the 3rd round or later, I could see us drafting a back.
6. CB - It'd be nice to draft Marlin Jackson's replacement but I'm not sure that guy is in this weak CB class. Maybe a safety like Hamlin or moving Bethea over would be an option. Please bring back Ratliff.
7. S - Our safety group is solid. Sanders, Bethea, Bullitt, Condren would be a strong depth chart. However, we may like to have 3 safeties in the game for our nickel and with Sanders injury history, drafting a guy who can step in would be nice.
8. P - I suppose we may draft a punter but it would seem that eyeing and grabbing one as an UDFA could be fine to create camp competition.
FIRST ROUND
1. Evander "Ziggy" Hood - DT - I've already discussed Ziggy. I think he's going to be a tremendous DT in the NFL and would excel in our system. I would take him before Peria Jerry, I know that will be unpopular here but I don't care. His work ethic, motor, and talent are absolutely what we need and allow him to play NT or UT in our system. I want Hood and think it's very possible he's the BPA when we pick at 27.
2. Peria Jerry - DT - Jerry has already been discussed in the Who the Hell Will They Draft feature posts. All that need be said about Jerry is available there. Would definitely be a great DT in our system and would be able to be plugged in from game 1.
3. Hakeem Nicks - WR - Nicks is a wideout and is NFL ready. He wouldn't start on the outside for the Colts as a rookie, most likely, but I believe he would develop quickly and has the kinds of hands and physical ability to be a regular part of our passing game in the future. I like this kid a lot.
4. Kenny Britt - WR - Britt is another wideout who would be dangerous if paired with Manning. His combination of size and speed would be dangerous as a compliment to Wayne and Gonzalez. He too would likely not be an integral part of the passing game until year two but he could be develop into more of a contributor late in the season.
ROUND TWO
1. Brian Robiskie - WR - Great hands, size and speed which match the Colts typical wideout, polished enough to be a contributor quickly. In terms of value, getting Robiskie here would be incredible and not a HUGE dropoff from the wideouts listed in round one.
2. Derrick Williams - WR - The upside and capability of Williams has already been covered in Who the Hell Will They Draft... feel free to visit that featured post to learn more about Williams. In my opinion, if Robiskie is not on the board, Williams will be. If Williams is not on the board, Robiskie probably will be.
3. Chris Baker - DT - This guy is a monster DT. With his size and knack and penetrating through the offensive line to make plays in the backfield, he could be the best NT option for the Colts in the draft. I salivate thinking about a Baker/Hood DL. Baker will probably not be here this late in the second round but if he is it would be hard to not pull the trigger, ESPECIALLY if we did not go DT in the 1st round.
4. Jarron Gilbert - DT - Many have already read about or heard all the hype about Gilbert. His youtube video jumping out of a pool suggests that he has a pretty incredible burst. He's a freakish athlete for his size and would excel as a UT in the Colts system. I also doubt he slides this far but if he does, I would be tempted to take him as our UT, even if we draft Hood/Jerry in the first because he would be too good to pass up. He would be extremely valuable for us if we do not go DT in the 1st.
5. Phil Loadholt - OT - Loadholt would be a very strong OT pickup and have great value late in the second. However, I'm unsure how huge the dropoff would be at OT in later rounds. To pass on Loadholt and grab a player in another position of need may make more sense for overall value.
ROUND THREE
1. Chip Vaughn - S - We just picked up Seward from Carolina, a much larger LB than we usually keep on our roster. That may make picking up Vaughn in the third a great choice. He can play SS if needed but may move up to LB in our system in our strong nickel packages to defend against the pass. He has a strong run stopping reputation to compliment his abilities defending the pass and could be a better version of Cato June.
2. Andre Brown - RB - Brown is a physical runner, bigger and stronger than our other RBs and could be great in short yardage. However, Brown's speed at his weight and his soft hands make him more dynamic than just a short-yardage back and capable of suitably backing up Addai/Hart from year one. He may be so good that he fights with Addai and Hart for the top spot on the depth chart by the end of the year.
3. Michael Hamlin - S - While he may be more of a true safety. We know the Colts are interested and he could be a very strong safety to develop for the future departure of Antoine Bethea. Hamlin may even be asked to bulk up a bit to play a role closer to the one Vaughn may be intended for.
4. Mitch King - DE/DT - Mitch King has been on the Colts radar and would be a similar pick to SLH, if we've not yet addressed DT in rounds 1/2. He won't last to round 4 most likely so if this is a guy the Colts want as a UT in our system, Polian will likely have to strike here.
5. Sammie Lee Hill - DT - It's possible that the Colts will draft two DTs and also possible that they surprise us and don't draft a DT on the first day. SLH is an intriguing small school prospect with the size, 6'4", 329 lbs. and speed 15.5 TFL and 7.5 sacks as a senior, to be a solid NT prospect for the Colts. He'd be a steal in round 4 but may not be around then. Polian likes his small school gems and SLH could be a shocker pick if we haven't addressed DT in rounds 1/2. I've love him in round 4.
ROUND FOUR (two picks)
1. Zack Follett - LB - Zack Follett has the kind of speed and size that we don't really see with our current LBs. He will play as well or better in coverage than most LBs on the roster and has the speed and tenacity to give our new defensive coordinator another blitzing option. Solid tackler and solid against the run. I love this kid and hope we pick him in the fourth.
2. Jason Williams - LB - Jason Williams has very rare physical ability for a LB of his size. At 6'1", 238 lbs. Williams ran in the 4.4s in the 40 yard dash at Northwestern's pro-day. The Colts are taking a very close look at him and honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all for an all LB 4th round. Williams stock is rising though and he may require a third round pick, the Bucs have their eyes on him as well probably as a Cato June replacement. This kid would be great in our system which relies so much on speed and his size would also be bigger than most of our current LBs.
3. Terrance Taylor - DT - Taylor is the large run-stopping NT the Colts could have an eye on in the 4th round. He may slip to the 5th round but grabbing him here would not be much of a reach for what he could bring to the interior of our DL, particularly in defending against the run.
4. Samme Lee Hill - DT - Mentioned in round 3.
5. Kory Sheets - RB - Sheets is the kind of threat running and catching the Colts would definitely see as a great back-up potential for Addai. I think there will be solid RBs available in the 5th though so unless the Colts really want the Big 10 back, they'll probably go elsewhere.
6. Deon Butler - WR - Butler has the kind of speed that could be considered if we're looking for a slot receiving option and are happy moving Anthony Gonzalez to wideout. He also has potential as a return man and may have more raw physical ability than anyone else on our roster in that capacity.
ROUND FIVE
1. Ian Johnson - RB - If the Colts are looking for a change-of-pace downfield runner, Ian Johnson would fit the bill nicely. His speed and quickness to the hole would compliment Addai's shiftier running style nicely.
2. Glen Coffee - RB - Coffee may be a real sleeper in the draft and is very capable. A back that does not shy away from contact, does not juke and jive in the backfield and gets downfield quickly... Coffee has great hands and could be used in a alot of different situations out of the backfield.
3. David Bruton - S - Bruton is another player the Colts have been keeping an eye on leading up to the draft. A very capable safety who would be strong in coverage, a compliment to Antoine Bethea and potentially could replace him. 4.46 40 yard dash at the combine with a 41.5" vertical.
ROUND SIX
1. Alex Boone - OT - Boone is a very good OT and would probably have demanded as high as a 3rd or 4th round pick has he not been cited for public intoxication a few weeks ago. Now there are likely some character questions surrounding Boone but he is such a high value in the sixth round that it might be worth the risk and we can hope to turn whatever character issues Boone has around. Would be a solid back-up for Diem immediately and could push for a starting spot by year's end.
2. Jason Phillips - LB - Phillips is a talented LB out of TCU who would fit in perfectly in the Colts system. It is likely Phillips had 3rd round value until he tore his meniscus and the injury will likely drop him deep into the draft. There's a chance he'll still be around in the 7th or could go undrafted but I like him so much that I wouldn't want to risk it if I could help it and if Boone is not available, I might grab him here to be sure he's on the roster.
3. Robert Brewster - OT - Brewster is known more for pass protecting, as he helped keep Nate Davis upright and helped solidify the line for one of the more dangerous offenses in the NCAA last year. A high character guy who may still be around in the 7th round but has 6th round value and could also challenge Diem whilst being an immediately capable back-up.
4. Glover Quin - CB - A good coverage CB with great value late in the sixth. Might be worth a look at 5'11", 204 lbs. with 4.5 TFL, 5 interceptions and 11 passes deflected as a senior.
ROUND SEVEN
1. Jason Phillips - LB - Listed above.
2. Robert Brewster - OT - Listed above.
3. Kevin Huber - P - *shrugs* I think we'll look at Chris Miller out of BSU as an UDFA.
**The players are listed based upon 1) Who I can see the Colts selecting with each of their picks, 2) Who I would like to see the Colts select, 3) A player's overall value at that pick compared to all other players at all other positions. In that order. So, I won't be shocked by responses of... THIS GUY IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT GUY... maybe he is, but the guy I've listed, in my opinion would be the better option for our team. ALSO - if I don't think a guy will be there (ex. Harvin rd. 1) I didn't list him. I'm trying to have an educated opinion about these picks.
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4. WR – With the exit of Marvelous, we could be looking for a wideout. Getting a guy we can develop to line up across from Reggie would be nice.
PLEASE DON’T TAKE THIS AS ME ATTACKING YOU PERSONALLY.
Now, with that said, why does no one around here except me and monstersbox understand THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT GONZO WAS DRAFTED FOR! He is supposed to be the heir to Marvin on the right side of the formation as wideout. I just don’t understand why people think that there is a massive hole at receiver because Marvin is leaving. Gonzo IS NOT a slot receiver, he is a wideout, PERIOD.
Hopefully I’ve cleared this up for the last time, so any and everyone who thinks drafting receiver is Polian’s #1 concern needs to listen for once and get the fact that this is not going to happen. That’s not to say they won’t pick up a WR later in the draft to fill the roster spot that is lacking of a receiver. But seriously, let’s get over the drafting another receiver and test out the guys already on the roster. The thing that gets me, and angers me as well is, no one seems to have a problem with not drafting a running back, only to rely on Mike Hart’s gimpy knee, and Lance Ball who has had virtually no playing time at all. But when it comes to receiver, it’s like no one gives a crap about Garcon, Hall, Giguere, so let’s draft another just because.
Ok I’m done ranting, my head hurts. MB, back me up here with one of your long rants ya?
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I agree completely...
The only reason I see us drafting a WR early is because, when I look at the players available at our pick in the 2nd round, I see Robiskie/Williams as being too valuable to pass up. That said, I wouldn’t shed the first tear if we didn’t draft a WR in rd. 2 and would love to see DT back-to-back, another thing I don’t think will happen. We’ll see how the draft goes. In my experience someone falls further than anyone would ever expect and Polian tends to grab one of those guys each draft.
I think most people are starting to realize the WR situation
People assuming Gonzo is a slot receiver has slowed down. With the signing of Seward I definately think RB and DT are our highest needs.
by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Mar 21, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Im going to stick to my guns and say that Gonzo was drafted mainly to play the slot position at the time. Even though Harrison was getting older, he was still playing very effective and putting up his consistent stats while still having many years left on his contract. If Harrison hadn’t gotten injured ( I think Harrison would have been more effective than Gonzo as a wideout), Gonzo’s primary position his first few season would have been at the slot, which is where everyone anticipated. Now though, we all know that Gonzo can play the wideout, and very effective that. Without Harrison throughout ‘07 and the one game in ’08, the Colts offense was really really good, if not better. I’m on the bandwagon I rather see the Colts not draft a WR with their first pick, but at the same time wouldn’t mind with deep talent of WRs. I really hope they draft at least 2 DTs whichever round, 2 LBs, and a RB (between rounds 2-4) with 5 of their 8 picks.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 24, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
So you think Tamme was drafted in the 4th, with everyone saying he wasn’t a very good blocker and destined to play in the slot, was to only provide a backup for Dallas? I’m not being sarcastic, I’m curious for your opinion about that. That’s a pretty high spot to draft a TE backup that can’t block. I for one think it’s a brilliant move if Polian decided to get Gonzalez to eventually replace Marvin. It normally takes a WR 2-3 years to “get” the Colts offense. Having the talent already in the system would make a receiver with strong potential have almost a seamless transition with Marvin’s departure. It would also put the receiver in a position to be evaluated, and replaced before no other options were available. And yes, Marvin would have had a couple seasons left on his contract, but I don’t think Polian would have put 100% faith in a 37+ year old receiver, no matter how high the talent is. Not to mention I think Polian would have addressed it during the 08 draft because Marvin’s injury was pretty serious. Serious injuries in older players are definite cause for concern. So as opposed to me thinking that Polian was naive about the situation, I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he drafted Tamme to either take over for Dallas at TE and move Dallas to the slot or have Tamme as a viable option to compete with Hall and Garcon for it. Especially since they also drafted Santi and kept Robinson on the roster. 4 TEs in our system, even though we run a 2 TE base offense, seems a bit much unless they were planning on something. And knowing the foresight Polian generally shows, it makes more sense than crossing your fingers and closing your eyes real tight and hoping a 37 year old receiver coming off a severe knee injury with a 13.4 million salary cap hit comes back like he never missed a beat. That’d be a little irresponsible, and not a normal Polian mistake. In fact, that’d be a huge mistake.
The way I see it, Gonzo may have been drafted to play the slot and they’d address the flanker position later. But with Marvin’s injury, Gonzo showed that he was more than capable of handling playing out wide and would potentially be a waste of resources to leave him in the slot. If they really thought they weren’t going to have Gonzo able to move out wide, there were plenty of options in the 2nd round last season. No receiver went in the first round, and only 7 were gone by their pick in the second. Instead of taking a receiver and having him on the roster for 08 to learn the system, they pulled off a huge reach with Pollack. Then they took 2 LBs, 2 TEs (1 rated as a perfect slot receiver), and another center before they took Garcon. Almost all of them were slated to play behind someone on the depth chart. I can’t imagine they’d take all those guys and not once think about taking a WR if they really thought Gonzalez wasn’t the guy to play out wide.
Regardless of why he was drafted initially, I’m pretty confident that Gonzalez won’t be competing for the vacated wideout position. It’s his unless he gets hurt or starts snorting coke. He’s proven he can play it, and actually performs better there than I think he does in the slot. And just watching him, regardless of stats (which his are actually better than Reggie’s at this point in their careers), he looks more polished and solid as a Colts WR than Reggie did at the same point. Now don’t say I’m saying he’ll be better than Reggie because I’m not. But at this point, I feel more confident in his ability than I did with Reggie after two seasons. And that’s a pro bowl elite receiver right there. Maybe Gonzo reached his ceiling, which I doubt, but we could be seeing another Polian genius evaluation of an underrated prospect become a pro bowler.
I’ll tell you straight that I have more faith in Gonzo turning into a solid player and becoming a long term retained Colt than I’ve had with most guys. The last guy I felt like this about was Dallas until he broke his leg. I saw that play and I thought it could’ve been much worse. But towards the end of last season, if we needed a 3rd and long, I was hoping the ball was going to Dallas or Gonzo. Gonzo just always seems to come up with the clutch amazing catch like Dallas does. And Reggie, even though I love him and think he’s amazing, just seems to let me down. Tipped pass INT last year, drop of a first down in FG range this year, losing the ball in the lights the same game… I’m not saying Gonzo will be half the receiver that Reggie is, but I’m optimistic. Not to mention we’re finally going to have a mid 4.3 low 4.4 guy with great YAC, ridiculous hands, and a fantastic route runner out on the edge to stretch the field and open up underneath passes and running lanes again.
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well...
I too think it would be beautiful if Polian drafted Anthony Gonzalez with replacing Marvin Harrison in mind, thinking to himself .oO “Marvin’s production will probably drop off next year and even though he’s on contract for the next four or five year’s, we NEED a wideout to develop now to replace him when his time comes.” However, that might just be giving Mr. Polian (whom I love) even more credit than he deserves (he’s deserving of a great deal of credit) and the benefit of hindsight.
In the end, drafting Gonzalez when we did was HUGE, not just as a potential slot receiver and replacement for Brandon Stokely but to replace Marvin Harrison on the outside because DOH! he got injured the year Gonzalez entered that league and HOORAY FOR POLIAN’S ABILITY TO FIND REALLY TALENTED PLAYERS… he faired FAR BETTER than anyone expected he would on the outside.
After he proved himself out there I am betting Polian and Co. were lighting cigars and celebrating over some scotch on the rocks thinking to themselves .oO “Well, how about that business… we not only have a talented young receiver with amazing potential in the slot… but he’s a pretty damn good wideout too. TWO birds, ONE stone… life is GOOOOOOD.”
Maybe you’re right, it would TOTALLY AWESOME if you were, cause it would make Polian even more God-like. But I’m betting happenstance led to the revolution that Gonzalez is not only capable of replacing Harrison on the outside, but likely will do just that if 1 – Harrison can’t return to form and/or 2 – Harrison doesn’t re-sign for a more realistic contract. shrugs Who knows.
I’m as optimistic as you are that Gonzalez will be a star, no matter what WR position he’s asked to fill.
Now, did Polian draft Tamme to potentially develop the slot receiving option for Peyton which will replace Gonzalez, should/when he needs to move outside? I definitely think there was a thought process like that involved with this pick. Harrison’s injury and uncertainty about his ability to return to Pro Bowl form made it very obvious that we needed another slot receiving option and finding one who could create the kinds of mismatches as Clark can, well that’s just genius.
Half of your post was clarifying what I already know, Gonzo is and will be a good player opposite of Wayne. Theres not much else for me to say regarding that. I just gave my opinion on what I thought the Colts intended to use him for when he was drafted and I still believe it. But to think if the Colts were going to draft a wideout as a Harrison replacement, last years draft in my opinion would not have been the year to get one unless possibly trading down early in the second round. This class of WRs by far has more talent and depth, which would be the better year to get one if thats the route the Colts would take. Like I said before though, I think the passing game has already enough pieces to be top 10 in the league for sure in the passing game. Adding 2 TEs last year was definately needed, since they lost Ben and Fletch during the offseason. Santi was hurt most of training camp and really couldn’t play early on, so the need for Robinson came into play for his blocking skills. Thats why I think 4 TEs were on the roster at one point, but really went down to three if I’m not mistaken the majority of the time with Tamme and Santi hurt at times throughout the season. I like the idea of moving Clark to the slot more (similiar to ’06) with Tamme his backup, and then having Santi play that Ben Utecht type role. Garcon in my opinion will be a player in training camp, and may add another vital option to the passing game but time should tell in his case.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 25, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
Quite a bit. I think more hype is on the 2009 receivers, but there were some impact players at receiver last season. Maybe perceived talent, but perception isn’t reality.
First round receivers pre 2009 and their rookie stats since 2005 (I don’t feel like doing much more than that right now) :
2005 :
Braylon Edwards – 32 receptions; 512 yards; 3 TD
Troy Williamson – 24 receptions; 372 yards; 2 TD
Mike Williams – 29 receptions; 350 yards; 1 TD
Matt Jones – 36 receptions; 432 yards; 5 TD
Mark Clayton – 44 receptions; 471 yards; 2 TD (1 rushing)
Roddy White – 29 receptions; 446 yards; 3 TD
Combined – 194 receptions, 2583, 16 TD (1 rushing)
2006 :
Santonio Holmes – 49 receptions; 824 yards; 2 TD
2007 :
Calvin Johnson – 48 receptions; 756 yards; 4 TD (1 rushing TD)
Ted Ginn Jr. – 34 receptions; 420 yards; 2 TD
Dwayne Bowe – 70 receptions; 995 yards; 5 TD
Robert Meachem – No stats
Craig Davis – 20 receptions; 188 yards; 1 TD
Anthony Gonzalez – 37 receptions; 576 yards; 3 TD
Combined – 209 receptions; 2935; 15 TD (1 receiving)
2008 receivers that weren’t considered as talented or deep taken in the 2nd :
Donnie Avery – 53 receptions; 674 yards; 3 TD (1 receiving)
Jordy Nelson – 33 receptions; 366 yards; 2 TD
Eddie Royal – 91 receptions; 980 yards; 5 TD (109 rushing yards)
DeSean Jackson – 62 receptions; 912 yards; 2 TD (96 rushing yards, 1 TD)
Combined (just these ones, I don’t feel like padding stats with the other dudes)
239 receptions; 2932 yards; 12 TD (2 rushing)
Here are some of the late rounders
(3rd round) Harry Douglas – 23 receptions; 320 yards; 1 TD (1 rushing)
(6th round) Josh Morgan – 20 receptions; 319 yards; 3 TD
(7th round) Chaz Schilens – 15 receptions; 226 yards; 2 TD
Top 10 rookie seasons (1st rounders vs 2008 second rounders) since 2005 :
1. Dwayne Bowe
2. Eddie Royal (2009)
3. DeSean Jackson (2009)
4. Santonio Holmes
5. Calvin Johnson
6. Donnie Avery (2009)
7. Anthony Gonzalez
8. Braylon Edwards
9. Mark Clayton
10. Roddy White
Here are a couple notable first rounders :
Larry Fitzgerald – 58 receptions; 780 yards; 8 TD
Roy Williams – 54 receptions; 817 yards; 8 TD
Lee Evans – 48 receptions; 843 yards; 9 TD
Andre Johnson – 66 receptions; 976 yards 4 TD
So the whole “less deep” “less talented” line of thinking is a little off. Not to mention Jackson and Royal were slated as slot receivers/kick returners and ended up playing out wide and doing very well.
And we didn’t have a 1st round pick to be able to trade down to the second. I think we easily could’ve traded our 2nd and a low round pick if we felt the need to draft a #2. You’re absolutely right though. The receivers this year have more hype and several are projected to go in the first. That’s also why I think this year would be a poor time to take one. If 5 receivers are gone before our pick, we’re going to have our choice at the 6th or 7th best receiver. The 6th or 7th best player at any position isn’t where you want to be using a 1st round pick on. We need a DT pretty bad, but if Raji, Jerry, Hood, Gilbert, Moala, Marks are gone, I wouldn’t take one until the 3rd or 4th round. Too much risk, reaching way too far. There’s significantly more risk involved with taking the 5th-7th “best” receiver than there is watching no receiver being taken in the first (which is what they’re doing since they had no pick, they were waiting) and trading our second late round picks to move up and take the 2nd or 3rd “best” receiver in the draft.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m trying to get the logic though if the Colts felt that if they were going to get a wideout to replace Harrison, how last year would have been the year (besides the fact of trading down)? By the time the Colts had their pick in the 2nd round, there wasn’t one WR who would have been that legit replacement for Harrison. I agree with you on that last years crop was percieved to be not as talented and really put up some good numbers given that they were drafted in the 2nd round. I take back that this years crop is better, but its not to say that they won’t be better or deeper. Given that the Colts acutally have a first round pick, I still think it would be a better this year than in ’08 to get one (if the Colts had the mind set of needing another wideout).
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Because
Pollack was a huge reach. He was a huge reach at the time. Wheeler was a blitzing LB, and even though he’s the “heaviest” LB we had until Seward, he’s built like a safety. And if they were convinced Gonzo was going to the slot, there’d be no point in drafting Tamme. Santi, Robinson, and Dallas would’ve been enough. So if we had traded our 2nd and 3rd, we would’ve been at the points required for the 15th pick in the 2nd round and Jackson and several others would’ve been available. If we traded our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th that would’ve been enough for the 11th pick in round 2 and where Royal was taken.
What I’m saying is, if Polian was thinking Gonzo was staying in the slot, he’d be banking on a receiver coming off a major knee injury at 36 years old to return to form. I think it’d be more important to him to get his replacement that year considering they knew Marvin’s cap hit was the same as most franchise QBs going into 2009 and would rather have a receiver with experience instead of a newly drafted receiver. To think Polian would gamble with borrowed time and a significant part of the Colts offense doesn’t seem like a very intelligent move. And considering one of the picks was a huge reach, one of the picks never saw the field and really seemed like a strange pick to most of us anyway, and the third pick was listed as either a TE that couldn’t block or a slot receiver, it would’ve made much more sense to trade the picks considering how the first round resulted in no receivers being taken.
The fact that he didn’t says more about his confidence in Gonzo playing out wide and the Tamme picks says to me they either wanted to put him in Dallas’ TE spot and move Dallas or try Tamme for the slot. Most slot receivers are the 3rd receiver and/or drafted in lower rounds. Plenty of teams play prospects in the slot to see game time and learn while being intended to be the #1 or #2. But the experience of someone less talented makes them a better #1 or #2 at the time. And knowing how complex the Colts system is and what Peyton likes to see in his receivers (coming back to the ball, breaking off routes etc..) I would think that Polian would draft Harrison’s replacement and get him on the field in a position of lesser importance than a #1 or #2 so that the transition from Marvin to his replacement, although no matter who replaced him it’d be impossible to replicate unless we got extremely lucky, would be much more seamless and less of a noticeable downgrade than waiting until Marvin actually retired and drafting his replacement that season.
Expecting a rookie receiver to contribute immediately is definitely not the norm. Most receivers don’t see the field unless there are injuries (Jackson) or they’re freaks (both Johnson’s and Fitz). A RB may get stuffed at the line if he doesn’t pick up the transition right away, but a receiver running the wrong route leads to interceptions. Not to mention the fact that the Colts generally pick in the bottom 10 of round 1 year after year so the pressure to get a receiver to be in the system learning for a couple years is greater than thinking you’ll have a pick higher than 20. Polian knows where the power and success of this team is. It’s in Peyton’s arm and he has to be able to get targets for them to catch his passes.
I find it much easier to believe that he saw an aging receiver and decided it might be a good idea to take someone with potential and less refined skills and put him into the system to become a starter by the time Marvin left. Marvin’s contract went through 2010, but the way it was structured was designed so that if they cut him (the original contract, nobody but Marvin, the Colts, and the NFL actually know what the reworked ones were at the end) earlier it wouldn’t have as much of an impact. I don’t care who the receiver is, a 36 year old receiver has seen his prime and after that is an unexpected perk.
If Marvin had played until his contract expired, which I think Polian may have hoped but not expected, he would’ve been 39 years old. At that point, Gonzalez would’ve been in the system for 4 years and that’s generally the “jump”. That’s when most receivers begin to hit their stride and be relied upon. Just go look at Marvin and Reggie’s stats. That really is how receivers normally pan out. Reggie went from 838 to 1210 yards during his 3rd-4th year transition, Marvin went 776 to 1663 (although that had alot to do with playing a full season with Peyton).
If Peyton synchs with a receiver he can bring out great things. But that doesn’t happen right away. Even if a receiver learned faster than the typical WR, if we drafted him this year and he contributed by his 2nd or 3rd year, Peyton would be 33-34 years old and wouldn’t have time left. I think Polian may have thought to himself “If I take a receiver this year (2006) and play him in the slot to get time and experience, not only would I be addressing the slot situation temporarily, but by the time Marvin retires, Peyton would still have a legit receiving option with 3-4 years of experience and the window would be closing slower. Not to mention if this dude ends up being a bust, we have 2007 and 2008 to get that receiver so that we don’t waste the last years of Peyton’s career. Yeah, I think drafting a receiver with upside and synching him with Peyton would be a great idea. It’s easier to draft a slot receiver and have him contribute early than it is for a #1 or a #2. Worst comes to worst I’ll get a TE and put Dallas in the slot. Boy I’m glad I’m Bill Polian. I’m super awesome.”
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Bill, I figure you were on your IPhone blogging secretly on Stampede Blue while at the League Meetings. But I hear that Goodell guy can be pretty strict and is known to take them away while talking about important things, especially during those rule changes portion.
But going back, they would have drafted Tamme either way with the losses of Utecht and Fletcher. No way were the Colts hoping that Robinson would be the starter, given that he was a practice squad player the year before. If Sanit and Tamme are healthy during training camp and all, especially Santi, I don’t think Robison will make the roster. There were additional needs (still speaking hypothetically if the Cotls were/are looking a for a wideout) along with the WR position, so trading away draft picks wouldn’t have been as effective in my opinion, especially players who are going to be starters this year in Pollack and Wheeler. As Manning is nearing towards the end of his career, I think if anything it would be best to supplement him with as much talent around him as possible, especially his last 2 to 3 years. I say he has around 5 or 6, maybe 7 (who knows) more seasons, so even it the Colts draft a WR this year, that player would be very efficient during Mannings last 3 years possibly plus whoever takes over at QB thereafter. With a first round pick this year, the Colts have more options to look at in a WR (if the Colts think that they need one), since last year they would have had to do a lot of maneuvering while trading away starters. I just don’t think last year would have been necessarily the year to get one over this year given their draft positions and other needs.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 26, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
My updated 1st rd Big Board, differs a bit from yours
1. DT Peria Jerry, Mississippi
2. MLB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
3. CB Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest
Short but sweet as the more I think about it, better to keep it simple: Best player available.
Thankfully the teams in front of the Colts might be looking for something else and/or not pull the trigger on these guys. Good chance one or two or maybe even all three reach the Colts’ pick.
Ziggy Hood and Brian Robiskie are probably at 4 and 5, if necessary, I suppose. Hakeem Nicks is completely off the big board, his pro day sealed the deal for me that he isn’t a Colts’ receiver. And I don’t think there is a RB explosive enough to be considered by the Colts this early.
Laurinaitis is back high again, yeah his 40-time (4.72 pro day) wasn’t that good, but maybe the Colts overlook that as a middle linebacker who he has a great short shuttle time (4.18 pro day) which speaks to his quickness and redirection skills, his ability to read & react. He has very good instincts and does well in coverage, which separates him from some other MLB prospects in this class and former 1st round pick Rob Morris.
Smith is third, because he’s still a little short as a 1st round CB and he might not start until 2011 depending when/if there is a new CBA.

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