Polian Drafting - A Closer Look (Part 1 - History)

by bamock on Mar 23, 2009 4:10 AM EDT

This post will discuss Bill Polian's reputation as being a BPA only guy, known by many as one who picks offense in the early rounds and switches to defense later, and as one who may not address team needs first.

Part 2 - another post, will take a very close look at what we have already on the roster, what kind of size, speed, college numbers as seniors the players on our current roster had when they were entering the NFL Draft. It will compare those players on our current roster to the players in the 2009 Draft, their size, speed, and numbers as seniors.

DRAFT HISTORY 2001-2008

The position needs listed below do not include full rosters at each position. They include players who were resigned or were on the roster for the coming season. Scrub back-ups, players leaving via free agency, etc. were not included in most cases.

2001 Team Needs:
1) WR - Marvin Harrison (J. Pathon and T. Wilkins not legitimate or long-term answers)
2) S - Chad Cota (All others on the roster in 2000 not resigned for 2001)
3) CB - David Macklin (No other CB on the 2000 roster was resigned for 2001)
4) OT - Adam Meadows, Tarik Glenn(Meadows was a serviceable RT but a better option could be had, W. Jackson was nothing special backing up)
5) RB - Edgerrin James (J. Finn and K. McDougal were nothing special to back-up but James was our every down back)

2001 Draft
1) Reggie Wayne - WR
2) Idrees Bashir - S
3) Cory Bird - S
4) Ryan Diem - OT
5) Raymond Walls - CB
6) Jason Doering - S
7) Rick DeMulling - G
UDFA - Nick Harper - CB, Dominic Rhodes - RB

Result
Polian stuck pretty close the team's needs, nearly in the exact order of the need. A wideout, 4 DBs in the draft (another UDFA), two offensive linemen, and an UDFA RB.

2002 Team Needs:
1) DE – Chad Bratzke, Brad Scioli (Bratzke was a decent pass-rusher and Scioli was serviceable but with a defense putting more emphasis on speed, we needed a true pass-rusher on the outside of the DL)
2) DT – Josh Williams, Ellis Johnson (Nwokorie was an avg. back-up, Johnson and Williams were serviceable at best starting, a true player on the interior was needed)
3) DB - Macklin, Harper, Jefferson, Bird, Bashir (Jefferson injured and not developing, Macklin okay, Harris okay, Harper developing, Bird okay, Doering nothing special, Bashir okay)
4) RB – Edgerrin James, Dominic Rhodes (J. Finn was not the answer at back-up RB and with James has health concerns)
5) LB – Rob Morris, Mike Peterson, Marcus Washington (S. Sword was nothing special backing up Peterson/Morris/Washington, finding a future heir for Peterson/Washington and better back-up was prudent)

2002 Draft
1) Dwight Freeney - DE
2) Larry Tripplett - DT
3) Joseph Jefferson - S
4) David Thornton - LB
6) David Pugh - DT
6) James Lewis - DB
6) Brian Allen - RB
7) Josh Mallard - DE

Result

Again, Polian sticks pretty close to the team needs with his selections. Four defensive linemen, including one DT and a pass-rushing DE with the first two picks. Two DBs, including a 3rd round selection. A LB, with great value in the 4th who would be an eventual starter and Pro Bowler. A RB to compete for back-up role and depth in the 6th.

2003 Team Needs
1) DT – Larry Tripplett, Josh Williams (Our DTs really were not panning out as only Tripplett Williams would return to the 2003 roster, finding someone inside would seemingly have to be a priority)
2) TE – Joe Dean Davenport, Marcus Pollard (Ken Dilger is gone, Davenport is not close to his skill, we need someone to replace Dilger across from Pollard in our two TE set)
3) OG – Rick DeMulling, Ryan Diem (Solid guards but with Diem as the primary tackle back-up and DeMulling having only a year or two left, it's time to find some depth)
4) DB - Macklin, Jefferson, Harper, Bashir, Bird (Jefferson not the answer, Harris okay, Macklin not much better, Harper developing, Bird okay, Bashir liability against the run)
5) DE – Chad Bratzke, Raheem Brock, Dwight Freeney (Scioli was really odd-man out and Brazke's ability as a pass rusher were suspect compared to Brock/Freeney. Finding another pure-pass rusher off of the edge to compliment Freeney on passing downs would be nice)
6) OT – Adam Meadows, Tarik Glenn (Meadows is decent but Diem will push for his spot soon, if so, finding a back-up and releasing Meadows contract might make more sense)

2003 Draft
1) Dallas Clark - TE
2) Mike Doss - S
3) Donald Strickland - CB
4) Steve Scullio - G
5) Robert Mathis - DE
5) Keyon Whiteside - LB
6) Cato June - LB
6) Makao Freitas - OT
UDFA - Gary Brackett - LB

Result
Polian shocked Colts fans this year by not drafting a DT at all in the draft. It was a clear team need, arguably the biggest need entering the draft. Yet he skipped DT and moved directly to signing Ken Dilger's replacement, Dallas Clark. Two picks early addressed secondary concerns. Two picks, including a 4th round pick, addressed depth on the OL. The pass rush was bolstered again picking a DE, Mathis, in the 5th. The soon to exit LBs were addressed in the 5th and 6th, and through UDFA.

2004 Team Needs
1) TE – Dallas Clark, Marcus Pollard (No Davenport, no Dilger, a pass-blocking TE would be needed as Pollard's days as a Colt were nearing an end)
2) S – Mike Doss, Cory Bird, Idrees Bashir (Doss had injury concerns, Bashir was a liability against the run, Bird was nothing special. We needed to find a special safety)
3) LB – Cato June, David Thornton, Rob Morris, Gary Brackett (A decent group of linebackers, Thornton leading the way but he won't be around long, Morris is not developing as we hoped, Nelson and Whiteside are serviceable back-ups at best)
4) OG – Rick DeMulling, Tupe Peko (With Diem moving outside another G to improve over Peko would be nice, Freitas was nothing special for OT depth either)
5) CB – Donald Strickland, Joseph Jefferson, Nick Harper, Anthony Floyd (With Harper developing and Stickland/Floyd also getting significant time, Jefferson continued to bust as break, finding another CB for depth or to start would be nice)
* QB – Peyton Manning (Need a new backup if Huard is gone)
* K – Mike Vanderjagt (Weak leg on kickoffs)

2004 Draft
2) Bob Sanders - S
3) Ben Hartsock - TE
3) Gilbert Gardner - LB
4) Kendyll Pope - LB
4) Jason David - CB
5) Jake Scott - OT
6) Von Hutchins - CB
6) Jim Sorgi - QB
7) David Kimball - K
UDFA - Ben Utecht - TE

Result
Polian returned to getting our needs addressed early and often in this draft. 3 DBs, including a starting caliber S in the 1st round. A TE in the second and an UDFA to become the blocking TE we need. 2 LBs to address questions around Thornton's departure, Morris development/injury concerns etc. Another G/T hybrid to provide great depth and potential starting power on the OL. A new back-up QB and potential kickoff man.

2005 Team Needs
1) CB – Nick Harper, Jason David (Macklin, Hutchins, Jefferson, Strickland were certainly not the answer and the group, including David and Harper helped the Colts D finish 28th against the pass and 29th overall... it's time to find someone to fix the problem)
2) LB – Gary Brackett, Rob Morris, David Thornton (Thornton is probably gone after this year, Gardner is not exceptional, Morris sticking around but not the answer)
3) OG – Ryan Lilja, Jake Scott (Strong Gs, but again OL depth concerns, no backup C)
4) TE – Dallas Clark, Ben Utecht (Hartsock was nothing spectacular but Utecht could compete for the spot after a year on the PS)
5) RB – Edgerrin James, James Mungro, Dominic Rhodes (Good group but Edgerrin James future is numbered and someone better than Mungro could be had.)
*S – Mike Doss, Bob Sanders (Pretty strong group but could upgrade Sapp's spot and find a better back-up for Doss/Sanders injuries)
*K – Mike Vanderjagt (Weak leg)

2005 Draft
1) Marlin Jackson - CB
2) Kelvin Hayden - CB
3) Vincent Burns - DE
4) Dylan Gandy - G
5) Matt Giordano - S
5) Robert Hunt - C
5) Tyjuan Hagler - LB
6) Dave Rayner - K
7) Anthony Davis - RB

Result
Polian addressed a failing pass defense by drafting 3 DBs, including two in the first two rounds. He addressed depth concerns on the interior line by drafting a DT in the 3rd. OL depth was addressed in the 4th and 5th rounds. LB depth was addressed in the 5th round. A RB for back-up competition was drafted in the 7th. A potential kickoff man was drafted in the 6th.

2006 Team Needs
1) RB – Dominic Rhodes, Edgerrin James (Carthon is not overly exciting and James is on his way out most likely because he'll cost more than he's worth, at least after he's not been as productive since his knee injury)
2) LB – Cato June, Rob Morris, Gilbert Gardner, Gary Brackett (Brackett is strong, O'Neill is nothing to be excited about, Gardner is weak and starting, June is in a contract year - another LB for depth and to potentially start is needed)
3) CB – Jason David, Nick Harper, Kelvin Hayden, Marlin Jackson (Looks better but Jackson and Hayden are still young/developing, and Harper and David are in contract years, a nickelback with speed and man-to-man coverage ability will be nice)
4) OT – Ryan Diem, Tarik Glenn (still weak on overall OL depth)
5) S – Matt Giordano, Bob Sanders, Mike Doss (Doss is probably done, D. Reid is not a long-term solution, Giordano/Sanders are better against the run, as is Condren... a pass coverage safety would strengthen the position)

2006 Draft
1) Joseph Addai - RB
2) Tim Jennings - CB
3) Freddie Keiaho - LB
5) Michael Toudouze - G
6) Charlie Johnson - OT
6) Antoine Bethea - S
7) T.J. Rushing - CB

Result
Polian replaced our starting back with the first pick. Addressed secondary needs with three picks (one more for returning kicks), 2nd, 6th, 7th. Address OT depth with two picks - 5th, 6th. Addressed LB depth in the 3rd round.

2007 Team Needs
1) WR – Marvin Harrison, Aaron Moorehead, Reggie Wayne (WR depth is a major concern, Stokely is gone, we need a new slot receiver in his place and with Harrison growing older a solid backup at WR will be important)
2) OT – Ryan Diem, Dan Federkeil, Charlie Johnson, Tarik Glenn (Federkeil and Johnson are serviceable backups at OT but Glenn is aging and will need to groom his successor, finding him will be a key priority)
3) RB – Joseph Addai (With the exit of Dominic Rhodes to the Raiders and no serious depth on the roster, finding a good backup is important)
4) CB – T.J. Rushing, Tim Jennings, Marlin Jackson, Kelvin Hayden (Jennings still has injury concerns and Rushing is not often used for coverage responsibilities, finding competition for nickel would be nice)
5) LB – Rocky Boiman, Gary Brackett, Tyjuan Hagler, Freddie Keiaho, Rob Morris (Morris is the SAM but aging, Hagler likely will compete with Boiman to start, two former back-ups, Brackett starts at Mike and Keiaho is almost ready at the Will but finding someone to backup Morris and compete with Keiaho will be important)
6) DT – Dan Klecko, Anthony McFarland, Raheem Brock (Booger is a great addition at DT but could use a back-up at NT, Brock moved inside but could use someone to take over for him or back him up at UT)
7) S – Bob Sanders, Matt Giordano, Antoine Bethea (A strong group at safety but Sanders still has injury concerns, another player who can fill Sanders role if he goes down without all the pressure on Giordano would be good)

2007 NFL Draft
1) Anthony Gonzalez - WR
2) Tony Ugoh - OT
3) Dante Hughes - CB
4) Brannon Condren - S
4) Clint Session - LB
5) Roy Hall - WR
5) Michael Coe - CB
7) Keyunta Dawson - LB
UDFA - Melvin Bullitt - S, Ed Johnson - DT

Result
Polian drafts Stokely's replacement in the first. Glenn's replacement is drafted by trading up in the 2nd. Three selections address secondary concerns, 3rd, 4th, 5th, with an UDFA competing with Condren/Giordano to be Sanders primary back-up. UT depth is addressed in the 7th. NT depth is addressed in UDFA. LB is addressed in the 4th. No RB was a shock in this draft.

2008 Team Needs
1) TE – Dallas Clark (Utecht is departing, Fletcher has been more of a tall receiver than a true TE)
2) DE – Josh Thomas, Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, Raheem Brock (Freeney's injury made it clear, we need to find back-up pass rushers)
3) OG/C – Jeff Saturday, Ryan Lilja, Jake Scott, Dylan Gandy (Gandy a solid back-up but he, Lilja and Scott are all nearing the end of their contracts, Saturday too)
4) RB – Joseph Addai, Clifton Dawson, Kenton Keith, Luke Lawton (Keith can't catch, Dawson is a project, Lawton is a STer and situational fullback)
5) WR – Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne (Harrison's injury makes it clear that adding another WR to increase our depth would be important, Hall's injury means another is even more important)
6) LB – Clint Session, Rob Morris, Freddie Keiaho, Tyjuan Hagler, Ramon Guzman, Rocky Boiman, Gary Brackett (Lots of LBs on the roster but only Keiaho, Hagler, Boiman, Brackett are known commodities, the rest are all competing for primary back-up spots)

2008 NFL Draft
2) Mike Pollak - C
3) Phillip Wheeler - LB
4) Jacob Tamme - TE
5) Marcus Howard - DE
6) Tom Santi - TE
6) Steve Justice - C
6) Mike Hart - RB
6) Pierre Garcon - WR
7) Jamey Richard - C

Result
Polian addressed the concern of three interior offensive linemen entering contract years and no successor for Saturday by drafting 3 interior OL (all Cs in college) - 2nd, 6th, 7th. Polian addressed pass rushing with a LB in the 3rd and a DE in the 4th - another DE in UDFA. Polian addressed TE depth with 4th and 6th round selections. Another RB to spell Addai was added with a high value 6th round selection. More WR depth was added with a project receiver in the 6th round.

Conclusion:
Although much is made of Polian drafting BPA, and therefore not drafting for need, his drafts tend to suggest otherwise. Two years were albatross years for Polian, no DT in 2003 and no RB in 2007. Otherwise, even if the need rankings are arguable, the teams clear needs were addressed in each draft, almost precisely to the importance of the position's need. Those who believe Polian is offense centered need only look at the years offensive players were drafted earliest to see that offensive needs dominated going into the draft. When defensive needs dominated the draft Polian drafted primarily defensive players, even early in the draft. Maybe it wouldn't be a huge surprise, afterall, to see a DT taken in the 1st round, and two DTs taken in this draft (he drafts multiple players at positions of most need often). Of course, identifying which needs are the team's biggest as a fan and as a GM are two different things. Food for thought.

1st Picks 2001-2008
4 - 2 WR/RB/TE (Skill Position)
1 - OL (Offensive Line)
3 - CB/S/DE (Defense)

2nd Picks 2001-2008
6 - 2 LB/2 CB/DT/S (Defense)
1 - OL (Offensive Line)
1 - TE (Skill Position)

TOTALS:
9 Defense
5 Skill Position
2 Offensive Line

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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Loved this post

Enjoyed this post. Somewhat fills the void in the offseason.

by tim55 on Mar 23, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions

I didn't read it yet

But was this pulled from the scout.com insider part? If it was I won’t have to read most of it again.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 23, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions

No

by bamock on Mar 23, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice one

"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha OK" - Tom Brady

by BlueMark1821 on Mar 23, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions

I kind of question the reliablity of the retroactive needs

you have the problem of not working with only the information they had at the time and I think there’s a pretty strong subconscious bias in doing the needs knowing (or at least having an idea) of who they drafted.

I do think Polian addresses needs,(BPA at a need position is how I’d describe his drafting) but I think he doesn’t lock himself into addressing the biggest needs with high picks and working down the list. Take the BPA who would help a need, don’t worry about if it’s the biggest need.

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions

I certainly understand your concern with retroactive needs. I did my best to remove hindsight from my rankings, going instead based on what I saw were the voids/weaknesses on the roster in select positions. However, there’s no way to remove any and all subconcious biases. Hopefully I came close to making the positional needs realistic for each year, absent “what I know now” about player development etc. to taint the usefulness of the post.

By the way, I would argue that regardless of whether the exact ranked needs perfectly match what I/fans would have thought before each of the drafts… I would argue that Polian does not just flipantly toss BPA and team need around, selecting the BPA wily nilly from any position (as you’ve said to a degree). Team needs prove to be a very important part of deciding BPA. Maybe the team needs even alter how Polian rates a player overall in a given draft. As I’ve mentioned before, Polian has made clear he takes the BPA and not the best athlete available – I think need has something to do with that distinction. If his drafts are any indication, it would lead me to believe so.

by bamock on Mar 23, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

it's a great post (I rec'ed it) and there really isn't another good way to do it

the problems just kinda struck me when reading through. Like the Wayne pick, in the narrative I remember everyone was screaming defense for Indy’s needs. Wayne obviously was a great pick and filled a role that Pathon and Wilkins couldn’t have, but at least the way I remember it, it wasn’t considered the top need.

subjectivity always eats at me a bit, so looking back at subjective rankings bothered me to an extent.

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 23, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Completely understand where you're coming from

by bamock on Mar 23, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions

This is why

I wouldn’t be shocked if we take Harvin at 27. Although I’m one of the strongest supporters of defense in the first, I don’t think he can pass up the talent offered with Harvin and how he could be used in the system. I also agree with bamock that he generally drafts multiple picks regarding a position of need and even in consecutive rounds. That’s why I wouldn’t be opposed, or surprised to see a Harvin/Gilbert/Baker/Brown/Taylor or a Wells/Moala/McGee/Taylor etc. That’s why my mocks are never set. We could take anyone in the first aside from QB and I’d see it from a BPA point of view. And yeah, BPA is subjective. I completely understand Malcolm Jenkins is probably a better “BPA” than Jerry. However, to me Jerry is a better BPA than Jenkins. Some sort of subjectivity is always involved due to the simple fact that they’re looking at “prospects”. That’s why I’ve said multiple times (and for the most part everyone knows how I feel about WRs in the first) that I think Harvin would be the BPA at 27 because I believe he is one of the best players as a prospect in the entire draft that may fall due to other teams subjective analysis of him. He’s the rare player that has top 10 potential that may drop. And when you pick in the bottom 20s season after season, sometimes you have to gamble.

And we focused on DT in the 2004 offseason and continued to do so. The only season since 2004 that we haven’t succeeded in improving our DT situation was this year when the McCargo deal fell through. But that obviously tells me that the Colts consider a DT a 3rd round pick at worst. In fact, that situation only reinforced my notion that unless a stud happens to fall in the 1st (Harvin, A. Smith etc.) we’ll likely go after one in the first or the 2nd at the latest. McCargo was considered a bust, has 2.5 career sacks, and never started a game and he was worth a 3rd to Polian. I’m not sure what other evidence people need that a DT will be drafted high, and stands a very good chance to go in the first.

With that said, I’d be happier with a Harvin, Gilbert, Baker, Brinkley, A. Brown, Taylor/McGee, O-lineman, Phillips draft than a Jerry, Loadholt, Williams, Butler, etc.. Although I’d be happy with both, the Colts tend to focus on the needs with multiple picks to lessen the chance for a worthless draft class, and I agree with them.

For the record, I like to say “The Colts” instead of “Polian” because Polian isn’t the sole source as to whom we draft. Yes he has the final say, but he weighs the information given to him by the coaches and scouts.

I’d also like to point out that Gonzalez wasn’t drafted as Stokley’s replacement. He was drafted because eventually Marvin was going to be leaving and he could play the slot until that time came. I know I’ve said it before, but it bugs me.

And yes, the Colts may draft for BPA, but BPA to me isn’t the same BPA to someone else. The only team that actually has to decide on who BPA is are the Lions. That and teams with multiple gaping holes on their team, but they’re still subject to the Lions pick. I mean for me, that decision would be easy if this Colts team had the #1 pick. I’d take Raji in a heartbeat and never think twice.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 23, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions

if this Colts team had the #1 pick

I’d be in favor of them trading down to the mid 1st even if they had to take significantly less than draft chart value to do it.

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 23, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

The mid 1st

Has all the guys I want. Or at least shots at them. And you’re right, I’d definitely trade down. Considering that the 1st pick in the 2nd round is pretty much what we’ve had for years anyway, who cares?

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 23, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually it was for a 4th round pick

McCargo was considered a bust, has 2.5 career sacks, and never started a game and he was worth a 3rd to Polian.

Not a 3rd round pick.

by project geo on Mar 23, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Gonzo was a replacment ofr Stokley

I think you miss-remember how it went down. Gonzo played the slot in college and was drafted to replace Stokley. Here is a quote from colts.com
‘That Gonzalez, who the Colts drafted to replace veteran Brandon Stokley’

http://www.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=f60cd279-4725-4713-8d5e-5470442c120b

another article written at the time Gonzo was drafted

Gonzalez’s acquisition might not draw the attention of the Moss move, but it can be every bit as important. The reason is Gonzalez plays the slot in three- or four-receiver threats. The slot receiver might not be as sexy to fans as split end or flanker, but the role can’t be minimized.

(Gonzalez’s acquisition might not draw the attention of the Moss move, but it can be every bit as important. The reason is Gonzalez plays the slot in three- or four-receiver threats. The slot receiver might not be as sexy to fans as split end or flanker, but the role can’t be minimized.
“The last time we had that kind of threat from the slot was when Brandon Stokley was healthy in 2004,” Polian said. “That was the year Peyton Manning threw 49 touchdown passes.”)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2858092

One more thing Geo was right McCargo for a 4th. not a third.

Defense if more important then breathing.

by BetterD on Mar 24, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions

Mmmhmm

I would’ve responded that geo was right, but I don’t respond to him. Although I’ll admit he’s not as grating as he was, I’d still rather avoid it altogether.

And I disagree that Gonzalez was Stokley’s replacement. Yes, he was able to see playing time immediately because Stokley left, but it’s kind of a good idea to put your eventual #2 on the field as opposed to sitting on the bench for depth. And yes, Gonzalez played in 3-4 receiver sets quite a bit. It’s called college, most receivers play in the spread. Crabtree and Harvin played in a spread, I’m pretty sure they’re not going to be drafted as a slot receiver.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 24, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions

For What It's Worth

It’s not been our habit to draft wideouts and play them in the slot just to “get them on the field.” I can’t think of a recent wideout we’ve drafted and/or acquired who was put in the slot just because that was where we could “plug them in.” Reggie Wayne didn’t do that, Marvin Harrison didn’t do that, I don’t remember others ages ago doing that either… Jerome Pathon, Sean Dawkins etc.

But I see the logic in what you’re saying as well. Still, I think we were clearly drafting Gonzalez to replace Stokely as our slot receiver one year removed from the three WR set generating the record setting passing offense production for Manning and Co.

by bamock on Mar 24, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions

So you’re saying that if we had drafted Marvin’s replacement to have someone with 2-3 years of experience when he actually went in as a starter he’d be sitting on the bench instead of playing in the game? How does that make any sense? Gonzalez also played a significant amount of time at the flanker position when Marvin was out. And this season even after Marvin came back, Marvin actually played in the slot more often than you probably think he did. Find the Vikings tape if you can. The major adjustment the Colts did was they started using Gonzalez as a wideout that game. That led to the 9 catch 137 yard performance he had. And although Gonzalez only had 4 catches for 38 yards (if Peyton had waited a half second longer Gonzalez actually pulled off an amazing move to break away from double coverage and would’ve had about a 30 yard TD and Peyton’s streak wouldn’t have ended), he opened up the field for Peyton to have the performance that made no doubt who the MVP was that year.

To think that the Colts allowed Marvin’s departure at 37 years old coming off a severe knee injury to sneak up on them is not giving our FO much credit. Our FO has a history of drafting replacement players prior to their departure. I mean, that’s one of their main goals in the draft. And I for one don’t think Garcon was drafted to be a #1 or a #2 WR. Not to mention that drafting almost an exact replica but in a faster version in Tamme along with a blocking TE is a good indicator of what they’re planning on doing with Dallas or Tamme. They gave themselves options in last years draft to put Dallas (if Tamme got stronger and learned how to block), Tamme, or Garcon in the slot. Tamme’s main knock against him was that he was a poor blocker and we took him in the 4th round. A 4th round TE is a pretty high place to take a TE, especially one with blocking issues. Tamme was noted for his ability to play standup and in the slot coming out of college.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1462

"Tamme has pretty good speed — runs the 40-yard dash in 4.60 seconds — which helps him get separation from linebackers and gain yards after the catch. He has good hands that allow him to catch nearly any ball he can get his hands on and his body control is above average. He provides versatility, having operated out of the slot and as a wideout, which was his position when he arrived in Lexington. He’s also got a work ethic scouts love.

He’ll have to get stronger to compete in the NFL. But he does have the frame to add bulk. His lack of size hurts his blocking skills, with him often ineffectively holding off defensive linemen. He’ll have to become much more physical. He doesn’t get off the ball as quickly as scouts would like. His receiving skills will draw teams’ interest, but he doesn’t have the all-around game scouts love."
http://wildcatblitz.com/2008/02/25/nfl-combine-report-jacob-tamme/

“So, what is the overall assessment of Tamme? Most scouts see him as a player with the ability to be effective as an H-Back and compare him with Houston Texans TE Owen Daniels. They like his ability to catch the ball, especially when it’s away from his body, and they recognize that he can be best utilized when lined up in the slot, allowing for him to use his acceleration to separate from defenders.”

“This academic All-American possesses great football knowledge and uses it to his advantage on the playing field. Tamme has tremendous speed for someone his size, and his ability to line up at the slot will surely create problems for NFL defensive backs and linebackers.”

“It’s pretty obvious that Tamme brings a wealth of receiving ability to the table. He has great hands and can bring the ball down in traffic. A converted receiver, he was one of the fastest players at his position at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine, posting a 4.58 40-yard dash. That speed makes him dangerous after the catch, particularly when he’s working against slower-footed linebackers. At Kentucky he did a good job making plays over the middle of the field while lining up wide and in the slot as well.”

That was literally the first 4 scouting reports for Tamme. I could go on, but suffice to say that every single scouting report on him says he’d be best utilized in the slot. Seriously, think about that for a second. Why draft a backup for Dallas that has their blocking listed as a pretty significant weakness? While at the same time not addressing the possibility of exactly what happened this offseason with Marvin?

So maybe originally we intended Gonzalez to be Stokley’s replacement, although I still highly doubt it. Even if we did, he’s clearly shown that he can more than handle the responsibilities of being a WR. Not to mention this comment “Tony Dungy believes Gonzalez is further along in the Colts offense in his second year than Reggie Wayne was.” If he was truly a slot receiver, don’t you think he would’ve said Stokley and not used Wayne’s name?

Not to mention that personally I think Garcon could do insanely well in the slot. And personally I’d rather see a healthy Roy Hall have a chance to compete for that position too. We have three, yes three players drafted in the past 2 seasons in Tamme, Garcon, and Hall that we’ve been paying and holding roster spots for. I’d like to at least justify that by giving them a chance to either prove their worth or show that we wasted picks, money, roster spots, and time on them before we go get another receiver.

We have one guy in Dallas who’s proven he can excel, and actually has some of his best production, in the slot. We have a guy in Gonzalez who may have been drafted to play the slot but has proven he has the skills and ability to play as a flanker and actually plays better from there. And we have another guy in Tamme who was specifically mentioned as playing as a slot receiver in almost every single scouting report on him. And we have two other young drafted receivers that I’m not ready to completely give up on.

Peyton managed to throw for over 4k yards in 07 and 08 without Marvin. This year Marvin missed several games, Dallas missed a game and was banged up, Wayne was hobbled for about 4-5 games with his ankle and knee, and even Gonzalez was knocked out with a concussion. Not to mention the problems on the line and Peyton’s timing. Seriously, what does everyone think his numbers should be? If they’re waiting for him to throw for 6k yards and 70 TDs, I’m sorry, that’s not going to happen.

That 49 TD season was great and all, but our defense was terrible. That overwhelming offensive team did just as well as every other Colts team that went in with an overpowering offense and a poor defense. Not until our defense played out of their mind did we finally win. This isn’t a knock against BBS, but it’s a simple fact that defense may not win championships in his opinion, but for us it did. Maybe we’re the exception, but that’s what happened. Our defense got us to, and was a bigger factor in our Super Bowl win than our offense was. And our best team was in 2005 when Peyton threw for only 8 more yards than he did as a rookie (3747) and 21 TDs less than he did the year before.

And I’ll say straight up there’s no argument that a 4040 to 4002 and a 31 to 27 TD decline isn’t nearly as significant as a 1706 to 1274 and 19 to 13 TD decline we saw in the running game. And a slot receiver doesn’t address our defense or our running game.

And the fact remains that during Polian’s 23 year tenure as a GM, he’s drafted a total of two WRs in the first round. And even Wayne and Gonzalez were drafted 6 years apart. We stand a much higher chance of drafting a RB in round 1 if we wanted to go by history. I forget but it’s in the another recent thread, but I think it was either 4 or 5 first round RBs with two of them being selected two years apart in Buffalo. And that’s the same Buffalo Bills team that had Jim Kelly as their QB and definitely could have used another receiver next to Andre Reed for years.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 24, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Incorrent fact

And the fact remains that during Polian’s 23 year tenure as a GM, he’s drafted a total of two WRs in the first round.

In eleven years drafting as GM of the Buffalo Bills (86-93) and the Carolina Panthers (94-97 although they didn’t draft until 95), Bill Polian drafted ONE wide receiver/tight end in the 1st round. Rae Carruth in Carolina, 1997.

In eleven years as GM of the Indianapolis Colts (98-08), Bill Polian drafted THREE wide receivers/tight ends in the 1st round. Reggie Wayne, 30th overall in 2001. Dallas Clark, 24th overall in 2003. Anthony Gonzalez, 32nd overall in 2007.

Clark must be included because he’s a receiving weapon and more of a receiver than a tight end anyways. And that was with inheriting Marvin Harrison from the previous regime.

That actual fact is pretty damn relevant to me.

by project geo on Mar 24, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't take this as I'm talking to you

http://nfl.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_Polian

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/panthers.html

"Polian was General Manger of the Panthers from 1994-1996. He tried to create the quickest Super Bowl winner in history, and nearly did so, building a team that went to the NFC Championship game in only its second year of existence. This feat led him to a promotion, becoming not just the GM, but the President of the Indianapolis Colts. "

“1997 1 1 27 27 Rae Carruth WR Colorado”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Clark

“Dallas Dean Clark (born June 12, 1979 in Livermore, Iowa ) is an American football tight end”

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 24, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Do more research

Polian was GM of the Panthers for the ’97 season too. In fact he was still under contract past that term, the Colts gave their 3rd round pick in the ’98 draft to the Panthers so that they could sign Polian. In retrospect, a fantastic trade for sure.

And does Dallas Clark, yes or no, run routes and catch the ball? Yeah, I thought so.

by project geo on Mar 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Addai runs routes and catches the ball

does that make him a wide receiver. Maybe you should up it to 4 WRs in the first round. Edge did too, that’s 5. Peyton Manning split out wide in the Pro Bowl once last year. 6!

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 25, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions

and the 2nd round is pretty much the first round

it’s a pick on the first day isn’t it?

So add on Jerome Pathon. Kelvin Hayden was a college WR for most of his career so that’s another. 8! 8! firstish round wide recieverish players drafted by Polian in Indy,

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 25, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Might as well including the following then

1986 1st round RB Ronnie Harmon
1988 2nd round RB Thurman Thomas
1996 2nd round WR Muhsin Muhammed

by project geo on Mar 25, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions

don't play coy with me

I’m actually against monstersbox on this one, I’m pro-WR in the first if the top DTs are gone, and really pro-Robsikie in the 2nd. I just found the definition stretching a little dishonest/disingenuous/unfair.

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 25, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions

Don't have to agree with me

But when somebody goes out of their way to be a douche, it annoys me.

As long as the players are the right players at the right time, I’m not really pro or anti anything. If we got Jerry/Robiskie/Baker/Brown I’d be cool with that. But I wouldn’t be cool with say Moreno/Robiskie if Jerry was on the board in the first and Gilbert was on the board in the second. But then again, if we took Moreno and Robiskie then Baker/Magee, I’d be cool.

I actually like Harvin in the first or Williams in the third quite a bit. The point about the first round is because everyone keeps bringing up “Polian’s draft history” and it’s not true. He’s not a gung ho offensive minded guy. He drafts who he needs, when he needs them. Or when he can, ahead of time. I just think it’s a little misleading that people keep saying “His draft history makes me positive he’s taking a receiver.” I may not agree with you about taking a receiver, but just making something up is annoying. Like I said, if we go by draft history, we’re taking a RB/DB/LB. And I don’t think we’re taking any of those either. Unless like I said, right player right time. Hell, if Nate Davis is there in the 5th or 6th and nobody else is there, great pick. If we take Nate Davis in the 3rd and haven’t taken a DT, terrible pick.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 25, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

What's disingenuous about including Clark?

I honestly don’t get it, he’s a great receiving threat. He’s a boon to any quarterback he plays with, why not include him with Wayne and Gonzo?

by project geo on Mar 25, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Thanks for replying shake

Gives me a place to put another post.

Dom Capers –
“After a stint in the USFL, he began his NFL career as an assistant with the New Orleans Saints and was named defensive coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1992, including a trip to the AFC Championship game in 1994. He remained with the Steelers until becoming head coach of the expansion Carolina Panthers in 1995. After 1995’s 7–9 season, a record breaking mark for an expansion team, the Panthers went to the NFC Championship game in 1996. Continuing to spend against the salary cap, and eventually taking control of personnel matters in 1997”

And even if “The Douche” which is his new name because I think his “douchness” comes naturally is right, that’s still 3 receivers over 23 years. If The Douche would like to link something backing up his claim, I’d be more than happy to throw out some props after another response. Not to mention The Douche is a retard for saying Dallas, or any TE is a WR because he catches passes.

“The tight end is sometimes the last man on the offensive line, but has a slightly different build and, in some cases, a different role than other linemen. The role of tight ends can change depending on the philosophy of the head coach, but their main jobs are: block for the running back or quarterback who is carrying the ball, catch passes from the quarterback, and help create a stronger pocket by assisting fellow linemen in blocking during passing plays. The tight end usually lines up next to an offensive tackle, adding a man to that side of the offensive line. Therefore, whichever side the tight end is on is referred to as the "strong side”, and the side without is called “weak side”. Linebackers are, by extension, given “strong-side” and “weak-side” roles depending on which side of the defense they line up on; similarly, the safeties take their places in the secondary according to which side the opposing tight end is. Tight ends can also come in motion during a play."

Hey shake, ask The Douche which one he is, I can’t figure it but I know he’s in there somewhere.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 25, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

Don't resort to name-calling

It’s not my fault you constantly make stupid mistakes.

But at least have the proper civility to talk as though we were speaking in the same room.

by project geo on Mar 25, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't extend the distinction that far, or rather you might as well go full-fledged and look at offensive skill positions

If one were to ask what is the primary purpose of Carruth/Wayne/Clark/Gonzalez? It is to run routes to catch passes from their quarterback. Thus, those four I would have no trouble defining as receiving threats.

Sure Edge and Addai were all-purpose RBs who could catch the ball, but their primary purpose if not only consisted of, included running the ball and pass protection in addition to receiving the ball.

But yes, you could look at Polian’s draft history with regards offensive skill players overall instead of just receiving threats. The evidence may just bear as much fruit if not more.

by project geo on Mar 25, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm putting this here so you can get the full effect

And you can take this like you did last time. I’m sorry you can’t seem to find the discipline to refrain from making condescending, and frankly, ignorant remarks. I can’t keep up with the internet badasses of this world I guess. And the reason why I don’t reply specifically to you, and the only reason why I replied to you at all is because you busted up in there line an internet badass that seemed intent on ending a constructive back and forth between myself and bamock (who I actually like to talk to and like to hear his opinion because he actually has perspective, reasoning and tact) is because if I were in the same room as you, I’d slap the shit out of you if you started talking to me that way. And no, this isn’t internet badass talk, I would. You’d get the good old open handed one too.

Funny thing is, I actually agree with alot of what you say, but you’re an annoying douche. In fact, without “That actual fact is pretty damn relevant to me.” I wouldn’t have said anything at all. Actually, I probably wouldn’t have said anything either way, but the whole “Dallas Clark should be considered as if he drafted a wide receiver” was simply mind boggling.

If we switched places for a minute, and I had powered up my Super Douche Hyper Kick, I probably would’ve said something along the lines of “Well, my sources may be wrong since I used wiki and it was repeated in several others so I didn’t feel the urge to dig until I found out if it was wrong or not, but at least if I decided to be a douche and deride someone, as you are right now, I’d make sure to spell "incorrect” correctly. That takes away from that whole superior thing you’re trying to do there. Just saying."

But, just as before, just pretend I don’t exist. I’m sure there’ll be ‘You dummy dumb dumb! Stupid jerkface! But I’m AWESOME!" posts following this one clearly showing your intellectual superiority. Go for it, you type those buttons REAL hard man. That way I’ll know you mean it.

P.S. Sorry bamock for your thread turning into a crapfest. I’d actually like to hear what you have to say, and if you think I’m correct in my assumption on Tamme. Or anyone really. I didn’t get to see anything on him during the preseason, I don’t know how he was lining up or know his receiving ability. I only know what I gathered from scouting reports.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions

An insulting jerk and so seflish that you derail yet another thread

Aren’t you so proud of yourself.

by project geo on Mar 25, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions

Monstersbox was the last one to post something advancing the argument

and his ad-ad hominem attacks had visual aids, so I’d score this round for MB.

They say "he's so arrogant, the cocky kind"
but they always lookin', 'cause I'ma shine,
-Lil Wayne & Birdman "Get Your Shine On"

by shake n bake on Mar 25, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions

YESSS!

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 25, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Personally

I enjoy the discussion. In some ways it’s too bad that it has to get personal, in other ways, shrug without off-season face slapping and hair pulling I’d be bored to tears.

I think both posters have strong points for their positions and can see the logic behind each. I also think that when thinks don’t go off of the deep end with personal attacks and such, monstersbox and project geo bring a lot to this site.

I think a man-hug is in order. We’re all on the same side and though we differ in our opinions from time to time, maybe more often than we’d like, we all just want what’s best for the Colts.

I am glad this post generated discussion! GO COLTS!

by bamock on Mar 25, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

STOP THE MADNESS AND BACK TOI THE POST!

children, children….. I am so disappointed.

(yeah, it doesn’t work on my kids either… so now I will threaten to spank you all, everyone, even those of you who did NOT comment! That usually works. Don’t make me send you to your room without supper.)

as I was saying, back to the post….. I agree with Shake that retrospective ranking of needs may be colored by what we know today and it’s hard to avoid. But that’s been covered.

The second thing that struck me is how often LB has come up as a need and how little it has been truly addressed, and generally unsuccessfully. Now we have had some successful LBs, but they tend to go bye-bye quickly and our depth is always suspect. I’ll ignore the 2008 draft for now since there’s so little to go on (a promising LB in round 2, but I thought he was viewed as a potential hybrid LB/DE pass-rusher) , but 2007: I like Session a lot; Dawson: meh. 2006: Keiaho—flashed some promise, then seemed to fade, not sure what’s up. 2005: Hagler? meh. 2004: Gardner and Pope. whiff and whiff.

Right there, for a team that turns over its best LBs after their rookie contracts, going 4 years while adding only two decents LBs (Session and Keiaho) is a crime, especially when it’s listed above as an area of need almost annually. 2003 we got June and then Brackett as a UDFA which is a very good year—two eventual starters, one of whom made the pro bowl and the other who SHOULD HAVE. So maybe a GOOD 2003 resulted in weak low-priority LB drafts after that… maybe.

Going back farther, Thornton in 2002 was a good draft pick LB—high character guy, walk-on in college, stud. So out of six seasons, with LB as an area of need nearly every year, we manage to draft 3 starters and add another as a UDFA? At the same time, once their rookie deals are up, we give them away like a drunk cheerleader giving out free samples at a county fair kissing booth. Okay, so we re-signed Rob Morris for peanuts and reaped huge benefits when he stepped in to solidyfy ST and the LB corps late in 2006. Otherwise, it looks like two theories that are in opposition: one theory says “we can replace them every year so we let them walk” and the other theory says “we don’t always load up on LBs.” I know their role in the T-2 defense is not as high profile in other D’s, and probably a back-burner issue compared to DL and safety…..

I am in no position to indict Polian—I’d sooner question gravity. But I would not mind seeing a little more money spent on LBs in rounds 2/3/4 in the future. We’ll have a fine DL (after getting a decent DT this year). We have super safeties and good DBs. We have Brackett, who is no spring chicken any more, but I love him, and Session, who I like a lot, but there is surely room for improvement… A top-10 LB isn’t to much to ask, is it?

Oh yeah, and Session returned that pick against SD for 98 yards and got screwed by the refs. screwed. screwed. SD fans can piss about ref calls all day, but they can never escape that easily forgotten one—They’ve beaten us three times in a row and every time it has been pretty dubious. God, I am aching for revenge. If you recall the old Rock-Paper-Scissors theory (from football outsiders?) a few years back, it held water because Indy beat Den solidly in the playoffs and NE beat us convincingly, and Den somehow beat NE consistently. But if anybody applies that to SD and us they are insane—those margins were razor thin and the games were full of sketchy calls. They “own” Indy like I own Bill Gates. Well, I sat behind him at a play once, does that count?

Wow, sorry about hijacking the thread. Not sure what snapped there.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Mar 26, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions

Hijack away...

If the post gets people thinking about our draft needs and encourages discussion about the Colts… I’m ALL for it. Afterall, there’s little better to do in the off-season.

You are absolutely right though, Polian’s history with DTs (not necessarily skill but bad luck), LBs, and even CBs, absent Nick Harper, Marlin Jackson and Kelvin Hayden, has been pretty awful.

by bamock on Mar 26, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions

This is the main reason

That when people begin to state “trends” in the draft, I kind of ignore them. Otherwise we would’ve spent at least a little more time focusing on our LBs. People underestimate how much the coaches have to do with determining need. If you get a LeBeau and he tells you he needs a safety or a DT, you’re going to listen to him. If you get a Jim Johnson, same thing. Well, at least after Reid gets his fill at O-linemen. If you get a Herm Edwards, you’ll listen to him at first, then fire him. I’d say at least 30-60% of a coordinators job is having the ability to “sell” the HC, and ultimately whoever’s in charge of the draft, your position need. After all, no matter how good you are at scheming, it comes down to the players. Good coordinators may be able to adjust slightly if the players don’t fit what they’re trying to do.

If you skip LBs and DTs for 7 years because your GM is asking your HC if you can succeed with what you have and improve and you keep saying yes, but continue to have a need at those positions for 7 years, you end up in Carolina.

There’s almost absolutely no difference between the executives in a football organization and the jobs most people have. I work for my boss like a player works for a position coach. He reports to his boss like a position coach reports to his coordinator. In fact, that’s what the title of his boss. And his boss reports to the department head like a coordinator reports to a HC. Then the department head reports to City Manager (General Manager) who reports to the mayor (Irsay). It’s a much larger scale, but I’ve seen situations where all parties were involved. If our division is having difficulty completing tasks because our staff isn’t performing how they should, and it’s so obvious that the citizens of the City notice and can point out where the problem is, the City Manager is going to ask our Department Head who’s going to ask our Division Coordinator (Wow, it’s kind of funny that I just noticed how those names are so similar to their “football” titles) if he has the people he needs to accomplish the task. If my boss said 7 years in a row “Nope, we’re cool here.” and we kept putting out a crap product because 4 dudes are having trouble not getting lost in the corners of rooms, he’s going to be someplace else (Carolina). And if we have a stellar Department Head that thought the Coordinator in another department was just a super nice guy and didn’t want to hurt his feelings, but he’s one Scrabble game away from frying his brain, that Coordinator’s going to be the first one to go if the department head moves on (Purnell).

I mean, both Dungy and Meeks were big time secondary guys. That was their thing. It’s not surprising that the secondary, especially safeties, has been addressed almost every single season. We’ve drafted (my counting may be off, but I know I counted at least 26) close to 30 DBs since Polian’s been here. And quite a few 1st and second rounders. I think this is the first year in Polian’s tenure that we didn’t draft a DB. But we’re still averaging around 3 DBs per year.

That’s why I totally love the Coyer selection. You’ve already seen him going full force trying to fix the LB situation. I mean the Colts are the type of team that DCs would beg to coach for. Peyton Manning, an offense that gives you all the chances to succeed, elite defensive players and talent, and a great organization. The Colts chose Coyer. The Colts chose a coach who started as a LB coach and became a D-line coach in a T2 system. The Colts chose a coach who puts HEAVY emphasis on LB and D-line talent, ability, intelligence, and phsyical ability. They wouldn’t have made that decision, let his LBs walk, and say “Well, here’s your 265 lb DTs, go get ’em!”.

In 3 or 4 years, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the blogs are saying “Well, Polian’s history is that he drafts DTs and LBs early…” Just knowing our needs, who they’ve let walk, and who they hired at DC is pretty much the first time where I think I have a good idea of how the draft is going to go. I’m not saying I know the rounds or the players, but I don’t think it’ll be too far off from something like

1. DT
2. OT
3. LB
4. DT
4. RB
5. S/LB
6. DT
7. WR

I’m not saying I even thought about the players or who’d be available. And even if that would be great for how I see things, I don’t feel that’s too slanted towards my feelings. I’m basing that off who’s walked, what most people feel our needs are, and who the DC and HC are now. And don’t take it as “This is how I think we’ll draft.” It’s more of “If I looked at drafthistory.com next offseason, I think it’d look more similar at a quick glance like that than WR/RB/OT/DT/WR…”

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions

NICE!

I would be stoked with a draft that looks like that one. Man, we would really have the opportunity to greatly improve on defense and on our O-line, without skimping on our other “need” positions. Having said that, I would consider the Rd. 7 WR pick a bit of a waste… I bet we could pick up Robert Brewster potentially late in the 7th (maybe not)… but another OT would be cool in my mind over a project WR for a team wealthy in project WRs.

But questioning a 7th rd. pick is getting kind of silly. chuckles

by bamock on Mar 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions

No argument here

The WR was thrown in as a potential returner and pretty much for all the people that’d come in here crying that I didn’t put a WR up there. Now I can go, “Not so! Look! Right there!”.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions