Dominic Rhodes could possibly return to the Colts in 2009
by BigBlueShoe on Mar 26, 2009 8:22 AM EDT
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Pro Football Weekly talks Colts and Dom Rhodes [emphasis mine]:
The salary-cap squeeze already has pushed solid LBs Freddy Keiaho and Tyjuan Hagler out the door, and it’s now hampering their ability to re-sign an offensive player they’d really like to retain: RB Dominic Rhodes. The ninth-year veteran completed his second tour of duty in Indianapolis in 2008, and was arguably more effective than starter Joseph Addai. The fact that Rhodes has not landed anywhere yet is compelling evidence that the Colts have a realistic opportunity of eventually inking him to a manageable deal, but don’t expect it to happen until after the draft. The Colts already have worked hard at trimming the roster fat, and there’s not much more they can do without knowing how the events over draft weekend will unfold. One thing we have heard is that Indy would rather re-sign Rhodes to a cap-friendly deal than take a flier on a late-round running back who hasn’t proven anything at the NFL level.
It seems the Colts are going to wait until after the draft before they start thinking about re-signing Dom, and Dom himself probably knows that. In the meantime, Dom and the Colts wait patiently for late April. It's no secret that Polian and company love Dom, and Dom wants to retire from football a Colt. Last season, Dom was probably a more effective RB than Addai was, for various reasons.
One thing seems clear: The Colts are not looking at getting a "known" running back in the draft. They'd rather have Dom, Joseph, Lance, Chad, and Mike than try and draft someone like a Moreno or Greene. Polian is taking a look at Akron's Andrew Johnson, but if PFW's words are to be taken to heart, it seems clear that the Colts like their current RB situation.
You all know my stance on this. I think the RBs for this team are fine... when healthy. Add Dom into the mix and I think they are championship caliber, especially with potential "X-Factors" like Lance Ball and Chad Simpson. The injuries to the o-line killed the running game last year moreso than the running backs did. That's just my take.
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There’s no logical reason to keep Dominic Rhodes anymore outside of his familiarity with the offensive system. Drafting a running back just has way too many perks as compared to resigning him. I love ya Dom, but sorry, it’s time for you to go.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unless, you know
the FO thinks the running game sucking was the OL’s fault not Addai and Dom’s.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re talking about the same FO who just loves bringing in new, younger guys at a majority of the positions on the team aside from QB. Everyone other year it seems like the Colts draft a couple guys to eventually take over for some starters who are still relatively young themselves (Nick Harper and Jason David ring a bell) whose performance can be matched and whose price tag is significantly less.
I don’t understand why everyone so opposed to the idea of bringing in new running backs. The Colts don’t even have a backup right now, but yet everyone is cool going into next year with a guy we really know nothing about in Ball, and Hart who is coming off of a knee injury. It seems as if I’m the only sane person around here.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not against it, I want Andre Brown in the 3rd
but if they are willing to go into next season with the same core of backs then it’s pretty clear where they rest on the OL vs RB issue.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Youre right, the colts always like younger guys and in this draft you can pick a great back even in the second round with rashad jennings. Id say go for it and say goodbye to dom. This brings me back to the edgerrin james talk, where, while we love the guy, we cant expect him to perform as a young rb
RB is an important need for us, and yes, both the OL and the RBs were responsible for having a mediocre running game last season. Considering that, in some way, Rhodes was part of that problem, im leaning towards a new RB.
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by Piojocuau on Mar 26, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong Guy?
I feel that same way about Addai. He is an average runner, average blocker, average receiver, gets injured all the time (usually just little things that keep him out of an entire game or several games) and still doesn’t understand how important it is to dive for a first down or stay in bounds instead of taking the easy way out at the sideline.
To me, Polian and Dungy kept Addai as the starter because it was a matter of pride and they don’t want him to appear to be a bust.
by AceOfSpades on Mar 26, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
explain to me the perks of drafting
It’s just not that obvious to me that drafting a RB has that many perks over keeping Dom for another year. I know you have a man crush on Jennings but if the Colts can’t or don’t get him would you still feel the same way? I think the Colts give Addai another year behind a hopefully healthy and improved O-Line, and if he doesn’t deliver they take a RB in the first round next year. Besides why even draft RBs anymore when it seems you can pick up a proven RB in FA on the cheap. The value of RBs has dropped so much that it almost seems a waste to draft one especially early.
by Rob-Westside on Mar 26, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perks? Let’s see:
1) Age
2) Money
3) Performance
4) Longevity
Need any more?
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly though, there are so many things wrong in what you just said that I’ll have to comment on them a bit later since I’m a work.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
If the plan as a GM/FO is to replace Addai this year or for next year, you use an early pick (1-3). If you’re not drafting Addai’s replacement (current or future), it makes little sense that the MVPA for this team would bring in another RB for primary back-up competition on day 1… while the other team’s more glaring needs, (DT, LB, OT, CB) are ignored with your highest picks.
Having said that, if Andre Brown drops to us in the 3rd round, I wouldn’t be upset to use that pick on him with all of his upside and with his power-running style to improve our backfield potentially… even if Rhodes were to return (obviously there’d be no reason to re-sign him if we drafted Brown). Having said that, Kory Sheets could drop to the 4th round and a very capable Glen Coffee may fall as far as the 5th round, Ian Johnson may as well. Andre Brown in the 3rd round vs. Kory Sheets in the 4th with our comp. pick (for example)… which pick brings the highest overall value? For me it’s really tough to say.
However, if Rhodes does return, Addai comes back healthy, Hart’s recovery continues to be ahead of schedule… I can’t imagine a need for an immediate RB and don’t forget that we added two RBs to the roster a year ago through the draft and UDFA, as well as picking up another prospect in Lance Ball who is young and developing during the year. Do we know precisely what will happen with the development of the youngsters on the roster? NO. Do we know precisely what will happen with the development of a youngster if we select him in the draft? Interestingly enough, NO.
Even if we don’t re-sign Rhodes, I would propose a realistic possibility that Addai, Hart, Ball would be a better group of backs than Addai, Rhodes, Simpson. Nice to be able to upgrade at a position and draft no one. Either way, I don’t see the need at RB as really high or worthy of day one draft consideration unless we are really hoping to find Addai’s replacement in this year’s draft. Maybe Polian is bluffing but the Colts have not been overly active in taking a close look at or working out any of the draft’s more popular backs.
by bamock on Mar 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the plan as a GM/FO is to replace Addai this year or for next year, you use an early pick (1-3). If you’re not drafting Addai’s replacement (current or future), it makes little sense that the MVPA for this team would bring in another RB for primary back-up competition on day 1… while the other team’s more glaring needs, (DT, LB, OT, CB) are ignored with your highest picks.
I think you are downplaying the severity of the running back situation. The Colts do not have a backup running back on the roster, they just don’t. No one has earned that position yet. Ball hasn’t proven anything yet, Hart is coming off of a serious knee injury, and to be completely honest, I think Simpson sucks. If you are fine with going into next season with those 4 on the roster, then that’s cool, but I’m not.
I do believe the Colts need to start looking for a guy who will supplant Addai as the #1 back. It could very well be Ball, but to just assume that, and give him the reigns without testing him or bringing in other guys and choose the best one out of the bunch is just foolish. There’s no way Addai is going to be resigned after his contract is up, because you know he is going to ask for a pretty lucrative contract. Polian wouldn’t even resign Edge for good money, so what do you think is going to happen to Addai? Addai isn’t half the RB that Edge is, so regardless of whether he plays stellar this season or next, he’s basically gone unless he wants to be the backup (which is where he should but atm imo).
I agree the team has other glaring needs, but how is that any different than any other year, or any other team? The Colts aren’t perfect, no team is. There is always some place the Colts could improve at, and dismissing the RB position is a mistake.
However, if Rhodes does return, Addai comes back healthy, Hart’s recovery continues to be ahead of schedule… I can’t imagine a need for an immediate RB and don’t forget that we added two RBs to the roster a year ago through the draft and UDFA, as well as picking up another prospect in Lance Ball who is young and developing during the year. Do we know precisely what will happen with the development of the youngsters on the roster? NO. Do we know precisely what will happen with the development of a youngster if we select him in the draft? Interestingly enough, NO.
See, this is where everyone is just wrong. Addai being healthy wasn’t his problem while he was on the field. His problem is the lack of power he runs with and the dancing in the backfield. He doesn’t dance around because he’s injured, he dances because he isn’t as good as everyone is making him out to be. His injury problems and his running style are two totally different problems, but combined make me wish the Colts would just have him splitting carries with someone else.
As for Hart being ahead of schedule, so what if he is? He still isn’t going to be 100% by the time the season starts. ACL injuries take at least a year to fully recover from. So if he is ahead of schedule, that doesn’t mean anything. It definintely doesn’t mean I’m willing to risk not picking up someone who is healthy now on someone recovering who is ahead of schedule.
Even if we don’t re-sign Rhodes, I would propose a realistic possibility that Addai, Hart, Ball would be a better group of backs than Addai, Rhodes, Simpson. Nice to be able to upgrade at a position and draft no one. Either way, I don’t see the need at RB as really high or worthy of day one draft consideration unless we are really hoping to find Addai’s replacement in this year’s draft. Maybe Polian is bluffing but the Colts have not been overly active in taking a close look at or working out any of the draft’s more popular backs.
What are you basing all of this on? How can you sit there and say that a Addai, Hart, Ball backfield would be better than Addai, Rhodes, and Simpson? You can’t be basing it off the little carries Ball had against the Titans’ second stringers, or the 2 carries Hart had against the Ravens can you? There’s no way I can sit here and allow you to say that either Ball or Hart are better than Rhodes, especially considering Rhodes is a proven commodity. Neither Hart nor Ball are proven guys yet, which is why it makes all the more sense to snag some great prospects to let them compete for the positions and take the best ones.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addai has always ran like that though
the difference has been how well it’s worked. For the first year and a half it worked very well. For the last 1 1/2 seasons it hasn’t. What changed?
2006+1st half of ’07
14 starts missed on the OL (1 by Diem, 2 by Ugoh, 0 by Saturday, 0 by Scott, 0 by Glenn, 11 by Lilja)
2nd half of ’07 + 2008
36 starts missed on the OL (4 by Saturday, 16 by Lilja, 3 by Pollak, 6 by Diem, 7 by Ugoh)
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying since the o-line isn’t creating holes the size of the pentagon, Addai’s production has took a turn for the worse correct? I would agree with that for the most part, but that only strengthens my argument that: 1) Addai shouldn’t be a #1 back 2) We need a running back that runs with more power as opposed to skipping around like a little girl. Both Jennings and Brown provide this. To an extent, most of us think Ball can supply this style of running, but we aren’t certain because none of us paid attention to him while he was in college, and he only had a handful of carries last season against 2nd stringers.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even close to what I'm saying
Addai was very productive when the Colts had a normal amount of injuries to their line. When the line was destroyed by injuries Addai (and Dom) were suddenly ineffective. I don’t think any back (barring a few of the leagues elite) could be successful running behind the line Addai was stuck with.
If you now had to write with a broken “e” key, and so your post’s quality took a downturn. Should we say, “see we need a writing fellow who’s style doesn’t include e’s.” Or should we see about getting you a keyboard that works right.
(please respond without using the letter e)
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh, but you are forgetting the fact that Addai is supposed to be the #1 back man. He is supposed to be the guy, but yet he had less carries than Rhodes, a few more yards, and less receptions too than Rhodes. Rhodes is not supposed to have more touches than Addai, but yet overall, Rhodes was more productive behind the same line and he was injured less often. So why exactly am I supposed to be optimistic about Addai in the future?
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dom wasn't any more productive in the running game
you say Addai had less carries and more yards. That’s not exactly a good base to argue Dom’s ground superiority from (and not actually correct).
Why does Addai have to be more than a 1a back? He’s clearly not a workhorse, but that doesn’t make him not useful, a bust or not worth his salary (he’s making 1 million less than the kicker, he’s cheap).
and I would guess that Addai had less receptions because he’s an elite pass blocking RB so when he was in the game he was much more likely to be held in to block do to the MASSIVE OL INJURIES
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you say Addai had less carries and more yards. That’s not exactly a good base to argue Dom’s ground superiority from (and not actually correct).
I never said he Dom was superior, nor was I implying that. What I’m trying to say here is that Addai hasn’t produced like he was meant to as a 1st round draft pick. He put up worse numbers than a 30 year old undrafted free agent. That’s not good.
Why does Addai have to be more than a 1a back? He’s clearly not a workhorse, but that doesn’t make him not useful, a bust or not worth his salary (he’s making 1 million less than the kicker, he’s cheap).
Because he was a first round pick and was supposd to be the second coming of Edge. You don’t spend first round picks on a guy who is going to split 50% of his touches with someone else.
and I would guess that Addai had less receptions because he’s an elite pass blocking RB so when he was in the game he was much more likely to be held in to block do to the MASSIVE OL INJURIES
Which is counter-productive because that’s Addai’s strong point. Him catching the ball out of the backfield and getting out in space is where he is most deadly. He is infinitely better in the open than Dom is so I’m not buying that.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Because he was a first round pick and was supposd to be the second coming of Edge. You don’t spend first round picks on a guy who is going to split 50% of his touches with someone else."
Look at the bust rate in the first round. You use a 1st round pick on a guy that’s going to contribute. Look at that draft. Addai was one of just 7 guys to make a Pro Bowl in one their first two seasons from that class (2 were drafted before Addai, 1 was also drafted by Indy).
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention Edge was drafted just a teeny bit higher than Addai. Kind of hard to say he’s the second coming when you have the option of taking any back you want in the entire draft. The Colts wanted Maroney and took Addai because of the Pats.
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by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care what the bust rate is, he was drafted to be the feature back, period. You don’t spend first round picks on running backs to have them come in and literally split carries with a 30 year old UDFA.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dom has proven to be quite a bit more than a UDFA
Why were the Colts hurt so badly by losing Brackett and Saturday they are just UDFAs?
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re saying that like Rhodes was meant to be, or had proven he was capable of being or was signed with the idea of being “the guy,” which just isn’t true.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's proven he can be a good tandem partner
that’s what he was in 2006, that’s what he was expected to be in 07 and 08.
Dom was AS PRODUCTIVE as Addai last year because running straight into a non-hole works just as well as shifting around behind a non-hole and falling forward. If there was actually a hole Addai could have shown he’s superior skills.
Let’s have a race. Me vs Usain Bolt. Both of us will have our legs and hands tied together. So we have to roll to the finish line.
When the race is close does that mean Bolt isn’t a hell of a lot faster than me?
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
I have been screaming this same thing for 2 years from the top of a mountain.
by AceOfSpades on Mar 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rhodes
Don’t underestimate his intensity. The players themselves comment about how much fun he has on the field, how intense he gets during a game and how he reacts to big plays which is a boost to the rest of those guys out there.
I don’t think Addai has ever reacted in what I would consider a positive way to a good play he made or that someone else made. He looks more like he is sleepwalking than anything.
by AceOfSpades on Mar 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kind of like starvin’ marvin? a player doesn’t have to act like ray lewis to be great. i agree that addai seems to lack intensity sometimes DURING plays, which is bothersome. i don’t care what a player acts like after a play is over, so long as he isn’t acting like vince young.
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addai vs. Marvin
I would agree with you if Addai was always performing like Marvin did in his first several years. Marvin was someone they could count on to make plays, so it didn’t matter that he went to the side of the bench by himself afterwards…but Addai is being counted on to make plays AND isn’t doing it enough AND doesn’t appear to have the strong desire to do it more.
by AceOfSpades on Mar 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's far from common, but...
…Ronnie Brown was pretty effective after an ACL recovery in 2008. We shouldn’t be playing taps for Hart’s career just yet.
by CooperManningsNotTrying on Mar 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree somewhat
I’m actually going to agree with Rob-Westside on this, somewhat. Obviously, if a great RB prospect falls into your lap, you take him. Stpehen Jackson almost fell to the Colts in 2005, and Polian said despite having Edge and Dom, he would have drafted Jackson.
But, as a position of “need,” running back is low on the list, in my opinion. If the Colts went through the entire draft without taking a RB, I wouldn’t be upset. The oldest RB on the team currently is Addai, I believe. And he’s only 26.
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by BigBlueShoe on Mar 26, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
almost took MJD in the second round of the year they picked up Addai. Dom, Addai, and MJD would then have been on the roster.
by CooperManningsNotTrying on Mar 27, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
We lost Keiho and Hagler?
When did this happen? How am I so out of the loop on this. Hagler doesn’t bother me too much I guess but I really like Keiho.
If anyone can give me the details I would appreciate it.
by dbaltman on Mar 26, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hagler was on a one year contract
and Keiaho hit the incentives needed in his rookie deal to void the last year. Both are unrestricted free agents.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hart’s knee exploded. i loved what little i saw of him last year, but i’m extremely skeptical of his future production, considering his low speed score coming out of the combine and what an acl tear can do to a running back’s range of motion.
if moreno falls to us i do not know how we don’t take a serious look at him…
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you have some belief in speed score though
Moreno has to make you nervous. 217lbs running a 4.6 (and not improving on it at his pro day) is a red flag.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 RB class speed scores
http://footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2009/speed-score-2009
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i put some stock in it, but i wouldn’t bet the farm. i loved the mike hart pick last year despite his miserable speed score. acl injuries to RBs just terrify me…
moreno looked great to me this year.
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreno is my favorite of the 1st round backs
Wells can’t block or catch
Shady is a fumbler and has not great speed score (if you use his pro day time with is probably on a much faster track) 4.5 at 204lbs for a speed score just under 100.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have Jennings.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'd rather have
A starting DT. Doesn’t even have to be an elite DT. I understand you believe Addai is not a start, which I don’t agree with and I believe you’re not even smelling or seeing fire and jumping ship, but I think Addai starting at RB is a little more solid than 265 lb DTs and LBs who never saw playing time. I would like a solid backup, even as high as the 3rd or 4th depending who’s there. And who knows, maybe a day 1 back is the best possible pick. I have no aversion to ANY pick if it makes sense. And my opinion is that our need, by far, is DT. However, I wouldn’t reach if Jerry, Hood, or Gilbert were gone. Same with the second. Although I have my favorites in regards to DTs, I’m simply not going to say that we need a DT in round 1 or a DT in round 2. I think Jennings is a solid 3rd round pick. But right now everyone’s on this small school kick because a couple guys came out and did well. That’ll be the fad until one of these small school players is a huge bust. And then small school players will go back to the 4th-7th UDFA category until another one does well and the cycle will repeat. I really like Jennings, I’d love him. And if we missed out on all the DTs in round 1, even though I like Chris Baker quite a bit as a NT, I wouldn’t take him in round 2. Those two are almost EXACTLY the same situation wise. Baker has all the measurables to back up his 16.5 TFL and 8.5 sacks at Hampton. Those are first round DT numbers if he played at a larger school. But in the second round, I believe he’d be a reach. And I’ll tell you straight up, if I had the option between Baker and Jennings and I had to choose one in the same round, I’d go with Baker. A 4.52 40 for a 230 lb dude is impressive, but a 5.01 40 for a 326 lb dude is even more impressive.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol wow
Alright let me clarify since I was just speaking hypothetical about player vs player not player in round-x. I would rather draft Jennings over Moreno. HOWEVER, I’m fully aware that DT is a position of need, and you better believe that if Jerry is available at the 27th pick, I’d rather have him over Moreno AND Jennings. With that said, passing up on Jennings in the second for someone like Robiskie is just stupid.
So again, I’m not condoning the idea of passing up on any stud LB or DT in the first (unless there is a stud OT, but you can find one of those in the 2nd too as you are aware).
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree with Jennings over Moreno. And completely agree with Jennings over Robiskie.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
<3
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe this Addai crap...
What is this obsession with “sticking with Addai?” Its like you people are Napoleon marching on Moscow with this crap!
by MasterRWayne on Mar 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The winter (one of the coldest ever) is over now
and we’ve still got more than enough firepower to do it.
I can’t believe that people insist that isn’t Addai’s fault, that he suddenly got bad and Dom suddenly got old, and it isn’t a matter of the OL injuries (2.5 times more missed starts on the OL in the time Addai struggled, from when he was doing well).
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See its stuff like that...
That proves you are wrong.
A. Even if Addai has been “hurt” then he has been hurt for almost two years now and its time to look for someone else.
B. Oline is not the major issues. Oline injuries affect pass blocking much more than run blocking because pass blocking requires more technique (alot more actually) than run blocking.
C. If Addai can’t run behind a few backups on the Oline (OMG im missing my center so that causes me to be unable to run off tackle!) then he is no good anyway and its time to look for someone else.
I think Addai must have pictures of you burying Jimmy Hoffa or something. Again Shake Addai has 26 straight games with ONE 100+ yard performance. Terrible. You can’t just pass that off on “injuries” or “Oline!” most of that is the fault of Addai.
by MasterRWayne on Mar 26, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's far from just me
BBS says in the post that he’s thinks an Addai, Dom, Hart, Simpson, Ball RB corps
and you don’t get 100 yard games carrying the ball 14 times a game (his career carries divided by the games the Colts have played since drafting him). I’m sorry that Addai doesn’t regularly get over 7 yards per carry in games. Lets find a back that gets 7 YPC. That shouldn’t be too hard.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*an Addai, Dom, Hart, Simpson, Ball RB corps
is championship caliber and that it was the OL much more than the RBs
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Shake proved multiple times that your “26 games with 1 100 yard performance” is completely wrong. If you want to make your point, that’s fine. But don’t use incorrect facts repeatedly. Saying them over and over doesn’t make them true.
How many championships did we win with Edge, a healthy line, and Marvin and Reggie at their peak? So since it’s not the line’s problem, we’re fine at WR, and it’s only Addai, you’re saying the biggest factor in us not progressing further in the post season is Addai? The same Addai that stomped through the post season with Rhodes, has a SB record for receptions, and was part of almost a 200 yard rushing performance against a dominant defense? Mmk.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's right counting playoffs and games Addai didn't play in
it’s always a retarded way to evaluate a back who rarely gets 20 carries in a game, but it can be technically correct.
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you count games someone didn't play in?
That’s stupid. Seriously stupid. So if I said James had 23 games where he only rushed for 100 yards ONCE, I’d be using the same logic. Although I’m completely ignoring the fact that he tore his ACL, but hey, it sounds better when I try to make my argument. What a retarded argument.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilja hasn't blocked anyone in 17 games
CUT THE BUM
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton missed preseason!
Bench him to make an example! Let’s go Sorgi! WOOO!
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many championships did we win with Edge, a healthy line, and Marvin and Reggie at their peak?
Ask New England, the defense, and Vanderjagt.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We beat New England with Addai
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know, but it only took the biggest comeback in AFCCG history to pull off the win. So…
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt have to be the biggest comeback
If our receivers only held onto the ball at the start of the game when we missed so many big play opportunities.
by metal_militia on Mar 26, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were definitely beating ourselves that game
Which is what we do EVERY playoff game. Even the SB run. We dominated the Bears, but that was after kicking to Hester, a false start, Dallas running the wrong route, and an INT in our own territory. And in Baltimore we scored every single point off a FG after driving down the field multiple times. The Colts in the post season give me heart burn.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, not to mention that if you never paid attention to the score and showed those SD games to someone that never saw them, not one person would say the Colts didn’t win.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That last game
we can thank the loss on the refs, special teams, and defense (with emphasis on Tim Jennings)
by metal_militia on Mar 26, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can thank Tim Jennings
for a few losses this year. Green Bay comes to mind… friggin’ penalties…
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 26, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which Addai was on the team for, not Edge. I’m not arguing Edge over Addai, Edge is easily the better of the two and one of the best backs this decade. What I’m saying is, even with a RB as elite as Edge, we weren’t doing any better than we have with Addai. In fact, we actually won with Addai. So what I’m saying is, either the combination of Addai/Rhodes was at least good enough to offer enough of a running game in 2006 or Edge wasn’t as good as Addai/Rhodes. And since I know that Edge was, there’s really only one way to look at it. So what I’m saying is, we went through the best defenses in the league to win the SB with two guys that I don’t believe were at Edge’s level. So obviously if both of those guys, not just 1, had a huge dropoff, it would lead me to believe that other factors had more of an impact than simply saying they just all of a sudden got bad. Maybe one of them, but not both of them. So getting any back, even at the caliber of Edge won’t turn it around like you’re saying. In my opinion of course. It just doesn’t add up. If Dom had a 4.5 ypc 800 yards and Addai had 3.2 ypc 700 yards, you’d have a legit point. But a banged up Addai was performing at the same level of a healthy Rhodes. If you don’t think there’s something in that, and that the RBs are more to blame than the line or our defense not allowing our offense to get back on the field and maintain momentum, I’m not sure who we’d be able to draft to all of a sudden turn blaming the running game on Addai valid.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts didn’t win that game because of Addai, they won it because of Peyton. So saying “well they won with Addai and not edge and all of those other guys in their prime” is moot.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO
Peyton was always there and always great. You look at what’s different.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone going to mention...
That in the majority of our games we were playing without the lead, with limited possession to get a score, with opposing offenses putting together 7 and 8 min. scoring drives? If you’re behind and have limited possessions, doesn’t that necessarily reduce the likelihood that you will run? I haven’t researched it myself, and I might later if someone doesn’t bail me out, but I’d be curious to know our avg. carries a game on the ground this year compared to the last two.
by bamock on Mar 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shake
im completely with you on this one. I noted that at the start of the offseason (right after the San Diego playoff loss) that the struggles of the running game have come down to the O-Line. To prove just how much the O-:Line stuggled last year, you can just look at the passing game. Despite the fact that we were able to muster up something that resembled an elite passing game, you can tell that the pressure coming from the right side of the line was tremendous on numerous occasions. Often times I would see missed blocks or our linemen being pushed 4 yards into the backfield as soon as Manning took the snap. Im sorry KR, but when that happens your running game will always stall.
Im not opposed to the Idea of drafting a RB, but I dont feel its a position of need… or at least not a position of that should be addressed very early. I think the only way we take a back in the first is if a prospect falls to us that has talent that is too irresistible to pass up. Other than that, I think a revamped O-Line will fix our struggles in the running game.
Besides you even said so yourself. We want younger guys at every position. Dont you think its time to put a younger face over at RT? Ryan Diem sure aint cutting it.
by metal_militia on Mar 26, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I want a RB in the draft
but as a replacement for Dom, not Addai. Addai is a very good 1a back. Draft Andre Brown in the 3rd and Indy has a shifty, but consistent back who’s a great receiver, great blocker and doesn’t fumble and a power back who’s a great receiver, great blocker and doesn’t fumble.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
A backup who could potentially be a starter if Addai goes out. A power runner who can catch and block. And one that doesn’t take a 1st day pick. I’d rather get two backs who are “very good” and have them split carries as opposed to a “great” RB that wears out and if he gets injured POOF, there’s your season friends. Not to mention, if the value of RBs are as low as everyone’s predicting, there’s going to be legit 2nd round options, and even possibly first in the third round. People’s value of RBs has gone down.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mmk, so what happens if next season Addai continues on the trend he is on now, being constantly hurt and not producing like the team needs?
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then he's in a contract year at an affordable price (still less than the fucking kicker)
and the line is still shit because that’s the difference between when the running game has worked and when it hasn’t.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh. So eventually you’re just going to start blaming the FO for being inept because none of the guys they put on the field had worked out instead of just blaming the source of the problem, that being Addai. Cool.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems like you could have this conversation with yourself
since you seem to be able to fill in a dialog for me without my help.
this is going nowhere because we have different assumptions.
I think that the line was the problem as shown by the strong relationship between OL health and Addai’s (and his tandem partner’s) productiveness.
You think Addai is the problem because…….(He just suddenly became bad at football midway through 07?)
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he was bad, I’m saying he isn’t living up to his expectations. I agree with you that the o-line had a bit to do with it, but it wasn’t the only reason Addai sucked last year. Go back and look at the 2006 stats for Rhodes and Addai. Rhodes had 187 carries to Addai’s 226. Addai had 54.% of the carries (roughly 14 c/g) @ 4.8 average. Rhodes, on the other hand had 187 carries like I said, ran for 641 yards @ 3.4 average, behind the same o-line. So explain to me why Addai was so great that season, wasn’t hit with the injury bug every other game, and now, running behind the same o-line as Dom, he put up basically the same numbers, with basically the same amount of carries? Dom proved that even during the 2006 season when the o-line was “fine,” that he and his running style didn’t necessarily equate to uber-yardage. He was pretty average all around except in the playoffs. This pretty much tells me that Addai had a pretty good season coming off of the bench because none of the competition he faced was used to playing him. Once everyone recognized his running style, they basically stoned him, as evidenced halfway through the 2007 season through now. I mean honestly, if you can’t can more than 2 or 3 yards a carry against nickel defenses, there’s a problem.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why waste a year on a "maybe"?
All of you have valid points. However, I have to side with KR on this one. Nobody can tell me that Addai dancing in the backfield prior to going up the middle was a line issue. I know the line had some problems with injury and should have opened up some holes, but after Addai’s numerous auditions for “Dancing with the Stars” (thanks Lovin’ Blue) he should have clearly seen there was nothing open up the midde and, I don’t know, tried running to the outside….or is that a coaching call?
Does the RB have the “right” decide to run somewhere there aren’t any defenders? I don’t know.
Regardless, I’m not saying Addai should be cut or anything…I would just like the Colts to draft a good RB this year (read: Jennings in the 2nd) and let Addai and Dom compete for the job – the worst that can happen is that we trade one of them for some picks next year.
Peyton only has a finite amount of playing time left. Please don’t waste it on maybes, ifs and hopefullys!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 26, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dom running straight ahead wasn't any better
exact same YPC and similar FO numbers.
LOGIC
The Colts running game with Addai wasn’t always a problem + Addai’s running style hasn’t changed -———> Addai’s running style isn’t the problem.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you.
Really, I do. I just don’t have alot of faith in Addai as the starter. I know their numbers are similar, but Dom “seemed” more productive last year. (Not logical, I know)
I like Addai, I really do. I would just like a bigger, more powerful back added.
But, really, what do I know? I only was able to watch about 5 Colts games last season…as opposed to most, if not all, of the Giants games…which is why I am such a proponent of getting a power back.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 26, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Andre Brown
check out some highilghts (especially the stiff arm on the first run, just sick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9kYqvdEl_Q
He’s a power back, is the best pass blocker in the RB class and is a excellent receiver.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on a second look it's less of a stiff arm
as him just throwing the defender on the ground one handed while running away from the rest of the D.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i generally like sec running backs because the defenses tend to be so good in that conference. do you have a link for a scouting report?
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Miami running backs tbh
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was mistaken when i first half-watched the highlight and thought he went to south carolina.
impressive stuff nonetheless.
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
report
http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/rb/Andre-Brown.php
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They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, that's good stuff
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks good!
I think if we had more power at RB in the beginning of games (to wear down Ds) Addai would have more success in the 2nd half.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ding ding ding we have a weiner!
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the tone changed
But I’m getting ready to leave work so I’ll read it later. But saying Addai got worse etc. isn’t a one way street. If Addai is worse because of his performance, so is Peyton. Peyton had a down year and a poor first half of the season due to the line and his injury. So the logic is, Peyton got worse and isn’t as good as he used to be because people figured him out and then somehow Peyton got better again. Our entire offense was worse last season. Reggie’s numbers were about 400 yards less or a 25% dropoff from the previous season and he didn’t have to go through the line. The line effected everyone, not just Addai. Addai put up similar stats to a healthy Rhodes (who IS a legit backup) while having significant injuries. Hamstring neck and shoulder injuries are significant. So I’d actually give him props for playing with them because they needed him to at least block and I think he actually proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is indeed as good as Dom when he’s suffering from injuries that could potentially sideline backs for an entire season.
I really think how much he blocks and how good he is at blocking is underrated. If you block like a pansy you’re not going to take a beating. If you stone a LB, it takes its toll. And Addai stones blitzers. Look at Portis, he’s one of the best backs in the league. He’s gone out twice (once this year) putting out blocks. You don’t get neck and shoulder injuries running nearly as often as you do blocking.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon,
comparing Addai with Peyton is reaching…
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it's not
That’s the exact same logic. Exactly the same. And that’s my point. It isn’t good logic. If Addai “sucks” for playing injured behind a poor line, Peyton also “sucks” for not being nearly as dominant as he has been in years past. And Reggie “sucks” for having a 25% decrease in production.
But nobody’s talking about them. Even though a RB is as, or even more dependent on the offensive line for production.
Edge rushed behind a much better O-line and after his ACL injury, people were cool with him going from a 1700 yard, 4.4 ypc RB to a 989 yard 3.6 ypc 2 TD RB. When Rhodes rushed behind that line same line as a rookie he was an 1100 yard 9 TD 4.7 ypc RB. But now after no significant injuries and wear and tear he turned into a 3.5 ypc back? I don’t buy it.
There’s 5 OTs in this years draft that are projected to go in the top 20. O-lineman aren’t a dime a dozen. We went from a pro bowl line to rotating 3 rookies and moving a guard to tackle. People freak out when they lose 1 or 2 lineman. We essentially had 1 person on the line with experience for the year. Diem. That’s it. Even when the rookies started showing progression we lost them. I’m not exactly sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that the Colts didn’t start the same lineup at the same positions once the entire year. It might not be true, but it’s not far off.
I’m just saying, the “suck” bug didn’t decide to hit Rhodes and Addai at the same time. I think that if it was just Addai, you guys would have a case even if I still felt it was the line. But Rhodes kind of discredits that argument. And yes, Addai wasn’t as good as he had been previously, but that had more to do with injuries and the fact that opposing teams were in our backfield when they were lined up in the nickel or when they popped off a decent run one of the rookies was called for holding.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Addai "sucks"
I only want a back who has a different style than Addai. Carrying 3 guys who all run the same way isn’t going to mess with anyone’s D. A power back to start the game and then Addai to switch it up and possibly a speedy guy to end…I think we need someone to wear Ds down. Then go for the quick strike.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 27, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peyton
Although Peyton’s sacks were still low, he was in the top 5 in hurries/hits. They were using Addai as a blocker it was so bad. There’s a reason why he was in the entire game and his rushing numbers weren’t that bad but he only got a handful of carries. He literally was one of their best blockers at times. They were doing the same thing with Edge in Arizona. They even said they were doing it.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
having your RB (and TE’s) stay in and block when they should be receiving options tells you that the O-Line is not doing its job. That is why I feel the offensive line and DT situation should be addressed first (barring the BPA approach provides a talent at those positions worth spending a first on).
Having your RB staying in to block DE’s and LB’s trying to get at your QB all day is 1) tiring for the RB because these guys are alot stronger and bigger than him and 2) limits production because rather than running and receiving his first priority remains to protect the QB. The only reason why we had less sacks allowed is because of Peyton’s quick release and ability to quickly process what the defense is doing to get rid of it quickly.
by metal_militia on Mar 26, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the Ravens game that a broke down the tape on play by play
Dallas disappeared in the passing game (2 for 17) because they were holding him in. Dallas isn’t anything special as a blocker and is a great receiver. That’s how bad they needed extra pass protection (worth noting that they lost Addai early in that game).
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And blocking 250lb blitzing LBs is taking a massive amount of punishment. Why do you think his shoulders are having problems? Fullbacks have shoulder and neck problems. Addai’s been having shoulder and neck injuries. Why? Because he HAS to block. He’s literally probably the 4th or 5th best blocker on the field. Maybe even higher. Think about that (I’m not talking to you shake). Shoulder AND neck injuries. Great blocking RB. Low number of carries although he’s playing full games. He’s getting the crap beat out of him so Peyton doesn’t get killed.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Mar 26, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add to that Metal...
I’m not convinced there is a RB in this draft that would have that value in the 1st round even if no RB was taken before our pick.
by bamock on Mar 26, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yay
I’m happy the tone of the post has changed with the last few comments about Addai, I was beginning to think there were only a few believers in Addai left, as you all have stated he is an AMAZING blocker, seriously makes every block and then some that can be expected of a running back. He is also great in the open field, which is why he was incredible to watch for 1 1/2 seasons. when the blocking is good, the way that it has been in Indy for so long except for the past 2 seasons, and Jo can get in open space he makes people miss, for sure he has been dancing in the backfield too much the past 2 seasons but hes a dancer and thats the type of running back he is(though i believe hes capable pounding it with better blocking), get him just a bit of space and he makes people miss.
VS. Philly in ‘06 – 24 Rushes 171 Yards 7.1 Average 4 TD’s
What happened in that game? he got blocks by Ugoh all night and was able to get in space. Addai is a beast. And should be a starter in the NFL
by Hitstick Killer on Mar 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i believe tarik glenn was the left tackle still in 2006
http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3
by torontocoltsfan on Mar 26, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah if we're throwing out votes
I’m in the camp that believes Addai is good and that our O-line hasn’t been the same the past two seasons. Addai is not a top 5 back necessarily but he’s a great 1a back and works perfectly in our system.
Can we make a list of who fully supports Addai and who doesn’t and just delay this argument for a year?
by psvirsky on Mar 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
list, from this thread
Pro Addai: Shake, BBS, psvirsky, Hitstick Killer, monstersbox, metalmilita, bamock, rob-westside
Anti Addai: KR, MasterRWayne, Peytonsthebest? (kind wishy-washy compared to KR and MRW)
Anti Dom, unannounced on Adda Mr NFL, Piojocuau
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not anti-Addai. I’m anti-Addai as a feature back.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if by feature you mean getting more than 60-65% of the carries?
then yeah, no shit, everyone is. Addai showed he can’t handle that much of a workload.
Everyone I’ve ever heard in these arguments wants Addai in a tandem or on the street.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they used him like the Eagles use Wetsbrook he’d be scary good. Because basically then, Manning would have Wayne, Gonzo, Clark, and Addai as passing threats. Bring in someone like Jennings or Andre Brown as the feature back, and we’re talking one sick ass offense man.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee you I've called Addai a poor man's westbrook on this site.
I’m going to find it.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember you saying it.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
by KingRichard on Mar 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
quotes
The player I optimistically compare Addai to, Bryan Westbrook has struggled with injuries early in his career and had his best seasons while taking both less than 275 carries total and less than 75% of the teams carries.
on Addai “he reminds me of Westbrook, in that if you use him as much as you’d like to he’ll get hurt and you don’t get to use him at all.”
From here
Actually I think Westbrook is a good comparison
Last year was Westbrook and Addai’s career high in carries, they were with 20 carries of each other (278 to 261). Westbrook is a phenomenal back who is great in the passing game and needs to be spelled heavily for him to stay healthy. Addai seems to be on that same path.
From an earlier Addai argument with you
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ABSOLUTELY!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 26, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two factors no one is directly mentioning in the decline of joe addai
first of all, i’m not sold on joe, but with the o-line situation being what it was last year i think it’d be foolish to exclaim “this guy stinks!” it’s been proven that he can be effective when supported by the proper cast and used in an appropriate quantity.
the first factor is peyton’s knee… remember all those toss plays the first few games? they were a disaster, because it turns out a toss doesn’t draw a defense in nearly so much as a stretch run (when properly executed) does. peyton’s knee made running the stretch impossible at the beginning of last year, and thus our young guards didn’t get the early season reps they needed running that play. the second factor is guard play/jake scott. so much of the stretch play’s success relies upon the guard doing a proper job pulling out and sealing off the edge. lilja was hurt last year, and as we saw with the titans’ run game, scott is actually a damn good run blocker. far superior to a rookie mike pollack. i think another offseason of work will do pollack and whomever starts at LG (i am suspicious of lilja’s recovery) a world of good.
let’s stay the witch hunt and subsequent burning at the stake for at least one more year…
although i am all about finding a great 1b to addai’s 1a/great 1a to addai’s 1b, if it’s the right player at the right price.
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and just for the record
i’m anti-dom. he’s old and only going to get worse.
by saintnixon on Mar 26, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Addai Injuries
With the logic that Addai was getting injured because he was always kept in to block, why did it seem that Dom was still healthy even though he would seemingly be kept in to block just the same as Addai would?
That really isn’t to say that Addai is better or worse than Dom, but keep in mind that Dom started all of those games in 06 when Addai was at his best. That means that Dom faced the defense at its strongest and healthiest point, warmed them up really good and then Dungy brought in Addai to dance all over the worn out defense in the second half or to bring in a change of pace when the defense was least suspecting it or wanting to deal with it.
If Dom isn’t back, then fine. I like the guy a lot, but drafting a younger, faster or bigger player would be great. But my point is that Addai, although a first round pick, is better suited as a #2 back. He works better in open space, against a tired defense and after his O-line has gotten into the rhythm of the game.
If they draft a RB, I hope it is someone that can start and give Addai the chance to come in as the second back of a tandem and do what he does best.
by AceOfSpades on Mar 26, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3rd and 2
I don’t get to see the Colts play very often but when I do and the game is close, I always cringe when it’s 3rd and 2 or short yardage.
I’m just going from memory but it seems to me the Colts have trouble running for that first down more often than not.
Neither Addai nor Rhodes inspire much confidence in critical situations like this.
I have no idea if Hart can recover to his old form, and I don’t think it’s very wise to assume he’ll be recovered for the start of the season.
Lance Ball seems to be a pretty good potential back, but that’s not a certainty either.
I don’t know much at all about Simpson, except that he’s a warm body that can play in a pinch.
Maybe it’s the offense line and not the backs, I’m not sure.
But I think this is a problem that should be addressed.
3rd and 2 (or 1) is a situation where the other team shouldn’t automatically assume Peyton is going to have to pass.
If a great opportunity presents itself to grab a quality back in the draft, I think they should.
by centauri on Mar 26, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they were doing pretty well in those situations for the first half of the season
it was one of the two things they were doing well. Then it went downhill and all they were good at was not fumbling.
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 26, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya man. 3rd and short is a down that the Colts should be able to convert even if the defense knows exactly what play they are going to run and where it’s going to be run to. There’s just no excuse to LOSE yards on 3rd and short like they did last season.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
by KingRichard on Mar 27, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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