Highly drafted DT tandems
B.J. Raji and Ron Brace will very likely become the 6th pair of DTs drafted from the same college, the same year, both in the first two rounds over the last 15 years. A quote in Colts Homer's Ron Brace profile and a comment by TRDean got me thinking about whether a highly drafted teammate effects how a DT performs in the NFL. Here are the 5 DT pairs drafted together in the first two rounds.
| Draft | College | Player1 | Pick# | Starts/Season | Player2 | Pick# | Starts/Season |
| 2007 | Tennessee | Justin Harrell | #16 | 1 | Turk McBride | #54 | 5 |
| 2005 | USC | Mike Patterson | #31 | 14 | Shaun Cody | #37 | 3 |
| 2003 | Penn State | Jimmy Kennedy | #12 | 5 | Anthony Adams | #57 | 8 |
| 2002 | Tennessee | John Henderson | #9 | 16 (2PBs) | Albert Haynesworth | #15 | 11 (2PBs, 2APs) |
| 2001 | Texas | Casey Hampton | #19 | 13 (4PBs) | Shaun Rodgers | #61 | 14 (3PBs) |
The first two times it worked out great. Both DTs were Pro Bowl caliber performers. Since then the pairs have produced 4 busts, a mediocre DT and one very good one. The sample is very small and there are as many unqualified successess as total failures, so I don't think there is much to be pulled from just the pairs success.
Over the last 8 drafts 26 DTs have been drafted in the first two rounds that weren't part of a highly drafted tandem. Half of those DTs have been starters for less than half of their NFL careers, They combined for 6 All Pro selections and 14 Pro Bowls. Scaling the tandems up to a sample of 26 would give them 29 Pro Bowls and 5 All Pros, with half of the DTs not starting more than half of their careers.
It's still a small sample 10 vs 26, but DT tandems have a idential bust rate (defining bust as a top 64 pick starting less than half of his career) with a higher ceiling (double the Pro Bowls, similar All Pros).
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Wait, did you call Henderson mediocre?
Dude’s solid.
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No I called Anthony Adams mediocre
Patterson very good, Henderson, Haynesworth, Hampton and Rodgers unqualified successes and the rest busts
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cuz I don't wanna finish
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by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops, my bad
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Wow
Henderson/Haynesworth and Hampton/Rodgers. Those are some nice DT tandems.
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
Shake
Want some homework?
Find out the success of the defensive ends for the Henderson/Haynesworth and Hampton/Rodgers d-lines?
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
I had started to do anything with two D linemen from the same college
but that was giving me a whole bunch of pairs that had nothing to do with what I had really wanted to look at.
I’ll look at that. PFR makes it really easy to find stuff like this.
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Cory Redding played with them for one year
He’s good, but a bit of a underachiever. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddCo20.htm
The year before Hampton and Rodgers were drafted Texas had a DT taken in the 6th round. Dedric Woodard. He never played a game for the Ravens, then had 4 years with the Seahawks. He was a starter for the last two, then dropped off the map never to play again. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WoodCe20.htm
and you want a crazy stacked line? The year after Henderson and Haynesworth were drafted, Tennessee had 3 D linemen drafted. They were all 2nd day picks and the most successful of the 3 is playing NT for the Niners right now, but still. 6 D linemen drafted in 2 years.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/V/VealDe20.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FranAu20.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorRa21.htm
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They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
what about richard seymour and marcus stroud, same draft as rogers and hampton, and they both turned out great.
Seymore is offically a DE, but yeah
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Has McBride played DT in the pros?
I was under the impression he’s only played DE.
by project geo on Mar 27, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
PFR listed him at DT
I sorted the search by position so it’s subject to however they classified the player.
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cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
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by shake n bake on Mar 27, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
starts per season
I'm not racing, I'm just sprintin'
cuz I don't wanna finish
They diminish, I replenish.
-Lil Wayne "Let the Beat Build"
by shake n bake on Mar 28, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Another Pair--
Oregon University, in the 2004 NFL Draft…
Igor Olshansky, 35th overall
Junior Siavii, 36th overall.
Yeah, Olshansky is a “DE” with San Diego, but he played DT at Oregon, and a 3-4 DE is more-or-less the equivalent of a UT in a 4-3.
interesting idea
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
Yeah, a Casey Hampton-Shaun Rodgers d-line would be pretty terrifying. I think that might qualify as the biggest d-line in history.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
Could you imagine?
Freeney-Hampton-Rodgers-Mathis
drools
omg
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?

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