I don't want Edgerrin James back in Indy

by BigBlueShoe on Mar 4, 2009 10:43 AM EST in Analysis Comment 66 comments

Edgerrin James is one of my favorite all time Colts. He is also just a super guy, and the Cardinals trip to the Super Bowl really reinforced what many of us already knew about him. In the game itself, Edge seemed to carry the Cardinals offense much of the first half. Then, Kurt Warner threw a horrible INT that was returned for a touchdown, and while the game was close in the second half, Arizona never really fully recovered from that mistake on Warner's part. They also abandoned the run in the second half with Edge, which was so very effective in the first half.

Regardless, it was fun seeing Edge be Edge in the biggest game of his life. Now, with coaches and players jumping ship from the SS Ken Whisenhunt, news from the desert says Edgerrin is pleading that the Cards release him (Tip to Piojocuau). Can't say I blame him. The Cardinals seemed to have their 15 minutes of fame, and now the roster purge will commence because their owner is a clueless buffoon. I don't say this to insult cgolden or the Cards fans at Revenge of the Birds. I'm just stating what everyone else knows, but is a bit reluctant to say because the Cards were just in the Super Bowl.

And if the Cards choose to release Edgerrin James, I do not want him to return to the Colts.

I know a lot of us in our fan community want Edge to return. We want to see Mike Hart surrender #32 to to the man with gold teeth and a gliding style of running that has placed him 11th all-time on the NFL's rushing list, ahead of Franco Harris, Thurman Thomas, and John Riggins (all inferior players to Edge; yes, I said it, and it IS the truth). But the reality is Edgerrin does not give the Colts anything that they don't already have. A healthy Joseph Addai is better than Edge. A healthy Dominic Rhodes is better than Edge. Hell, a healthy Lance Ball is probably better than Edge.

The best back in Colts history is 30 years old, and while he is in excellent shape and takes very good care of himself, sooner or later the tires on that mustang are going to go. It is already happening to Tomlinson, who is a year younger than Edge, and also an inferior player.

I'm a firm believer in change, both in the real world and in this little micro-world we call the NFL. Rosters change all the time. On the Colts defense, only Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, Bob Sanders, Gary Brackett, and Antoine Bethea are starting holdovers from the defense that won the Super Bowl just two years ago. On offense (in particular the offensive line) gone are Tarik Glenn, Jake Scott, Marvin Harrison, Ben Utecht, and Brandon Stokley. Last year, Ryan Lilja did not play at all, and his career is in jeopardy. As a result, three offensive linemen were drafted in 2008, and guys who had always been tagged as back-ups (Charlie Johnson and Dan Federkiel) were regular starters on the line. Hunter Smith, one of the best punters in the league and a long tenured member of this club, is now gone.

That is an awful lot of change folks.

And yet, the team still wins. Sure, the last two years have been disappointing, losing in the first round twice to San Diego. But, in general, this team has hummed along and stayed very competitive despite a massive roster turnover. Where teams like Pittsburgh had to, essentially, tank in order to purge their roster (they missed the playoffs in 2006, and only won 10 games in 2007), the Colts have continued to win massive despite injuries and huge roster changes.

Knowing this, that change is the natural cycle in order to remain competitive, it makes no sense to bring back someone like Edgerrin. He just doesn't offer anything, save the warm feel of sentimentality. Running back is one of the easiest positions to fill on a team, and rookies can have an immediate impact at that position (unlike WR or CB). With teams looking to fill DT, DE, and LBers in the first few rounds of the draft, the Colts could find themselves staring at a Knowshon Moreno or a Shonn Greene in the first or second rounds. Young players like that are what the Colts need. And with players like Mike Hart, Chad Simpson, and Lance Ball returning next year, the Colts will likely have a crowded backfield.

So, while I love Edge and will always consider him on of my favorites players EVER, his time with the Colts has past. I don't want him back in Colts blue because the Colts simply do not need him. A young team like KC or a vet team like Philly would be a better fit. And when he retires, #32 should retire as a Colts number. I like Mike Hart, but it is damned odd to see him running around with the number "32" on his jersey. Makes about as much sense as letting Sorgi play with "19" on his, at least in my mind.

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"A healthy Joseph Addai is better than Edge."

Agree

A healthy Dominic Rhodes is better than Edge.

disagree

Hell, a healthy Lance Ball is probably better than Edge.

really disagree.

Dom is only 5 months younger, and though he’s had less miles on him he’s never been a back near the level Edge was for most of his career. Dom was healthy most of this year, but his numbers were terrible. Obviously a lot of that is on the line, but Edge played behind a line that’s as bad if not worse run blocking in Zona. FO rated Edge better than both Colts backs and the Cards line as the 3rd worst run blockers in the league (Indy 7 spots better). On ten less carries than super-rookie-sleeper Tim Hightower, Edge gained 115 more yards. Hightower’s numbers make Addai look like DeAngelo Williams.

Edge’s production was pretty good, despite a terrible line. The price has to be reasonable, but Edge would be a great pairing with Addai.

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by shake n bake on Mar 4, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree with you. Dominic Rhodes is a good RB, but hes not better than Edge in ANY condition you mention. As shake says, theres only a 5 month difference between em, and we cannot compare Edgerrins career with Dom’s. Besides, its unprobable if Dom will return next year, dont forget that.
About Lance Ball, no comment.
I DO want him back, man i’ve been praying for that. I know that he is already 30, and that hes getting old and that, but I’m pretty sure that if you ask Peyton if he wanted him back, im sure he would answer yes. I dont want him just because he’s one of the best RB’s ever, bu because he’s part of the identity the Colts have developed in the last 10 years and now that Marvin is gone, he would have a greater impact than most people think. With his presence alone, he can make this offense a better one.
Obviously those are my thoughts, and as you can see, most of em are based on feelings, but i really believe that if he’s back, our chances to win a SB would be greater.

by Piojocuau on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you, Shake.

I want him back!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know if I want Edge back

But Edge > Rhodes EASILY

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by MrNFL on Mar 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm on Shake's side on this one

I think Edge would be a significant contributor to a back rotation—probably better than both Dom and Joe were last year. Assuming everyone is healthy, he’s #2 behind Joe. He does not have a lot of tread left on the tires, but we’re not talking a 5-6 year projection. 2-3 years. I might or might not draft a RB (probably not if Hart is fit). Maybe an UFA this year and look for an RB next year.

Now where Edge tends to succeed is that he’s immensely patient and has always used his blockers very well. Maddeningly well—I used to scream at the TV “they’re stringing you out—just cut upfield and get a couple yards out of it” and he’d manage to squeeze every last ounce of blocking out of the situation and get 4-5 yards. Somehow. He was rarely a drive up the gut guy but had great body lean so that if you tackled him below his waist, he’d squeeze and extra yard or two out of the tackle. Up the gut, that doesn’t work so well. Maybe that was our OL’s weakness. If the OL is in a big a shambles as it was last year…. his style and his mileage count against him. But assuming better health for both Joe and the OL (how could it be much worse on OL?) Edge would be a positive addition, moreso than a rookie drafted after the first round.

In light of the Marvin/Saturday signings, I don’t know that we could afford even the vet minimum, though. 18 should be able to restructure and shave $5M or so off the cap constraints. No?

Edge would go well with Joe, Joe & Dom, and especially Hart.

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by Bobman on Mar 4, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree, Shake

by tim55 on Mar 4, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I agree with BigBlue

While I think that he may be a bit better than Dom, I think that his time in Indy is over. I want to see what Mike Hart can do. He showed a lot of promise on the few runs that he had in the Baltimore Ravens game. I also DO NOT want to draft Knowshon Moreno. I think the Colts have bigger needs than RB right now. It was the line that was the problem last year, not the RB. We get Lilja back and we’re good as gold. All the rookies have a year under their belt and I honestly believe that if we fix the line injury problem that the Colts have seem to have caught the last couple of years, then we fix the true problem. I love Edge. To this day I’m still looking for an Edge jersy that I can afford so I can complete my triplet jersy collection. I just think that he’s not what the Colts need.

by Sanders_fan89 on Mar 4, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

While i disagree about having Edge back, i also think that we have bigger needs than RB. Our line is a mess and the LB’s also need improvement but I do want him back. Besides, i also need his jersey so, its a plus.

by Piojocuau on Mar 4, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you just trying to stir up debate?

First off let me start off by saying I love Edge, but you’re way off base on some of your points. First off, you’re living in a fantasy world if you think L.T. is an inferior to Edge. At worst, L.T. is on the same level of Edge. However, in my opinion, L.T. is easily in the top 10 best RBs in history and he played hurt and behind a crap line last season. Tell me how a player that’s played 2 full seasons less and but has 238 more total yards (he’s thrown for 143), 57 more TDs (7 passing), and has one of the best fumble rates ever is inferior? I think it’s safe to assume Edge had Peyton his entire career and Peyton was the number one priority for teams to stop, which Edge benefitted from. L.T. was ALWAYS the threat in S.D. If the basement for L.T. is 1536 total yards, it just further highlights that you’re completely wrong.

And I’m not sure if I’m taking "The best back in Colts history " out of context, and yes, he was the most productive RB rushing wise while playing for the Colts, but he’s not even in the conversation for best back that’s played for the Colts. If his only competition was Faulk, then yes he was better as a Colt. And as a pure runner, he was phenomenal. But Edge isn’t in the same category as Eric Dickerson as the best pure runner that’s ever played for the Colts.

And if you’re talking about best COLT running back of all time, and their contributions to the COLTS, Lenny Moore trumps James any day of the week. Granted he played as a receiver too, but that’s because he had the talent to do that. Moore had 11213 yards and 113 TDs (2 passing) during a time when that wasn’t normal. Not to mention he was also a returner. The dude had THREE seaons where he averaged over 7 yards a rush. He did all that playing 12 games a season during the majority of his career. By the way, the person that broke Moore’s record of scoring in 18 consecutive games played was Tomlinson in 2005. Lenny Moore is the foundation for my inclination to take Harvin if he’s still around in the first and other options are off the board. That’s the type of player I believe Harvin could be.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dickerson was a lot better when he played with the Rams. He really only had 2 great season in Indy.

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah screw it, I’ll just throw this in anyways.

I don’t like using ifs, but if Edge hadn’t tore his ACL, there would be no question that he was the best Colts RB ever, and arguably one of the best running backs of all time as well. So really, I think BBS is right in saying what he said about Edge. He was that good.

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If you think Edge

If you think Edge is, or could have been better than Dickerson you’re smoking crack. Edge was the third weapon behind Peyton and Marvin. For years the league tried to counter Manning by dropping 8 defenders constantly. Dickerson was THE weapon when he played for the Rams. He was also the ONLY weapon when he played on a crap Colts team. Eric Dickerson was the best modern day running back to wear a Colts uniform. Period.

Your argument "I don’t like using ifs, but if Edge hadn’t tore his ACL, there would be no question that he was the best Colts RB ever, and arguably one of the best running backs of all time as well. " Is flat out stupid. If Bo Jackson hadn’t had a career ending injury, he’d be the best RB of all time. Of that I have no doubt.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Faulk has to be up there too

Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......

by colts9318rock on Mar 4, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Faulk probably would have had even more impressive numbers if he played with Peyton.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently you missed the part where I said “he was the best COLTS RB ever.” Edge clearly had a better career as a Colt than Dickerson did. So unless you were smoking crack, I am right.

And please don’t give me that crap about how “Edge was a third weapon blah blah blah.” Trying to diminish his accomplishments because of the other players on his team is weak.

Lastly, no, my statement about if he hadn’t tore his ACL was no stupid.

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bwahaha

So you formulate an argument based on "he was the best COLTS RB ever." after I originally wrote my first response with the statement “he was the most productive RB rushing wise while playing for the Colts, but he’s not even in the conversation for best back that’s played for the Colts.”

I’m not diminishing shit. You’re telling me we had potentially the best QB of all time, the second best, and best of his generation, WR of all time, and one of the best RBs of all time all on the team in their primes and we win a Super Bowl when the RB in question leaves? Who then goes to a team, at the age of 28, and rushes for significantly less yards and has a 3.4 ypc average? Then the following year, Addai has over 1k yards and a 4.8 ypc and Rhodes also rushes for 641. However, after the retirement of Glenn, loss of Scott, loss of Lilja etc.. the numbers significantly went down. And Rhodes, behind the same line in 2001 (his rookie year) had 1100 yards in 10 games, which would translate to about 1750 yards if he remained consistent for the other 6. Not to mention, Rhodes averaged 4.7 ypc to James’ 4.3.

Saying that people dropping 8 into coverage, and the fact that our line was arguably the most dominant in the entire league had no positive effect over James’ career is a prime example of homerism. If he was so overwhelmingly awesome, Marvin would’ve been a Cardinal and James would still be a Colt. But that’s not what happened. So yes, even Polian didn’t agree with your assessment. Edge was replaceable. And until the line fell apart, the production did not decline.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not diminishing shit.

Yes, yes you are.

You’re telling me we had potentially the best QB of all time, the second best, and best of his generation, WR of all time, and one of the best RBs of all time all on the team in their primes and we win a Super Bowl when the RB in question leaves?

Like that has never happened before right? Never in history has a key player on a team left and the next year they win the Super Bowl. I mean, that is just so completely unheard. It’s…it’s just unfathomable. (cough the giants did it the very next year cough. Just sayin…

Who then goes to a team, at the age of 28, and rushes for significantly less yards and has a 3.4 ypc average?

I like how you forgot to mention what team that was in this statement.

Then the following year, Addai has over 1k yards and a 4.8 ypc and Rhodes also rushes for 641.

I think you skipped a year bra.

However, after the retirement of Glenn, loss of Scott, loss of Lilja etc.. the numbers significantly went down. And Rhodes, behind the same line in 2001 (his rookie year) had 1100 yards in 10 games, which would translate to about 1750 yards if he remained consistent for the other 6. Not to mention, Rhodes averaged 4.7 ypc to James’ 4.3.

So let me get this straight; according to this statement, you believe the following:

1) The o-line is completely responsible for everything that went wrong starting from the middle of 2007 to present, even though they can’t do anything about the fact that Dom isn’t really that good and has clearly declined, and Addai is a heartbeat away from being injured. Oh, ok.

2) Rhodes is just as good as Edge. In fact, he may even be better because like duh, he freakin average more yards per carry!

Awesome.

Saying that people dropping 8 into coverage, and the fact that our line was arguably the most dominant in the entire league had no positive effect over James’ career is a prime example of homerism.

lol I never said that, stop making stuff up. I will say this though; it takes two to tango.

If he was so overwhelmingly awesome, Marvin would’ve been a Cardinal and James would still be a Colt.

This statement makes absolutely no sense at all.

So yes, even Polian didn’t agree with your assessment. Edge was replaceable.

Oh man, you’re totally right. It’s not like Edge was going to be asking for an insane amount of money even though he was on the backside of his prime (two of which were taken away because of his injury). Yeah, I’m sure that had nothing to do with it. I hope you can read this through the sarcasm, because I laid it on there pretty thick.

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right

I think you’re a moron if you think Edge is better than Eric Dickerson. I’m glad we’ve cleared that up. Don’t think we need to argue it any further. If you’d like, we could, and I promise you there’s nothing except your opinion, that will back that up.

Maybe I’ll just let the footage speak for itself.

James – (Note the holes the offensive line creates)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWmb0eB6Lq0

Faulk –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLkrYiNy8Ck&feature=related

Jackson, Dickerson, Sanders, Payton, Campbell (among others)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgV_z3mySE&feature=related

Campbell –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EUoVqC4U_I

Dickerson –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCBnWmGvw8w&feature=PlayList&p=2D8111D9A7507583&playnext=1&index=40

Tomlinson -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN44jQvLiCM

Jackson -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxnf5Tq-AcY&feature=related

Barry -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGLlttt1CBg

Payton -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBk9YaTBo10&feature=related

I don’t feel like looking up old clips of Brown or Moore and others.

If I was laying the sarcasm, let me be a little clearer. Edge was an excellent player on an excellent TEAM. Take your head out of your ass, pretend you even have a remote degree of football knowledge prior to 1990 and you won’t look like an idiot.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you’re a moron if you think Edge is better than Eric Dickerson. I’m glad we’ve cleared that up. Don’t think we need to argue it any further. If you’d like, we could, and I promise you there’s nothing except your opinion, that will back that up.

Did I ever say Edge was better? DID I?! Because, for some reason, I don’t ever remember saying that. Hold on, let me check my posts just to make sure…

Yeap, it’s official, I never said that.

Do us all a favor and lose the ego bro. You aren’t right all the time. You aren’t God, and you don’t have mythical powers. Until that day comes, you need to accept the fact that you can’t convince other people that your opinion is a fact.

About the videos, those are nice, thanks for posting.

If I was laying the sarcasm, let me be a little clearer. Edge was an excellent player on an excellent TEAM. Take your head out of your ass, pretend you even have a remote degree of football knowledge prior to 1990 and you won’t look like an idiot.

I believe my opinions are pretty obvious and concise. I wasn’t diminishing anyone’s accomplishments like you were. Stastically speaking, Edge’s career as a Colt was better than Dickerson’s. There is a strong argument to be made, that Edge was arguably the best running back in Colts history. If you want to waste your time writing a book about how I’m wrong, or want to give me another physics lesson, then go for it. However, it’s not going to change my opinion on the subject.

Call me every name in the book, I really don’t care, it’s not going to change that fact that you are grasping at straws here and are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.

by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not grasping at straws

Bra. I’ll throw down the lingo too brutha. You said he’s the best Colts RB ever, I agreed that as a Colt that yes, he was better than Dickerson. However, I said Dickerson was the best RB that ever played for the Colts. I also believe that Faulk was a better RB. I also believe Lenny Moore was probably the best player to play at the RB position. He wasn’t the best runner, but overall, yes he was better for his time.

So you can get all defensive and throw your crap out there like you do to everyone else, however, that doesn’t fly with me. Don’t get all defensive when I throw the crap right back at you. You take a superior condescending tone in your posts, I’ll reply the exact same way. If you want to play the victim, go for it.

Whatever makes you feel special “bra”.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So, let me ask you a question then: What the hell was the point in arguing with me about it in the first place. You clearly knew my stance on the subject, and I clearly knew yours. Why, oh why, did you think to yourself, “You know, I think it’s a great idea to just start running my mouth to piss this guy off.” I just don’t get it. You always seem to think everything you say is a fact and can’t let an argument die. You constantly have to get the last word in and make it seem like the other person is stupid or doesn’t know what they are talking about when it’s simply a matter of differing opinions. It’s really not that hard to just step back and say, “Ok that’s cool, but I disagree.” As opposed to, “You’re freakin stupid if you think this and that, I’ve got 2598258235 facts and videos and all this other crap that no one reads to support my opinion, so obviously I’m right.” Yeah we get it, you think you’re always right, a lot of people do.

You initiated this series of arguments, not me. I wasn’t being defensive, nor did I have a superior condescending tone until you started running your mouth with the smoking crack comment, and how my opinion was stupid. I was merely defending my side of the argument, there’s a big difference.

To be quite honest, the fact that you were arguing the same point that I assumed we were already passed instead of commenting on what I retorted with annoyed me. Go re-read your posts and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about.

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

forgot to add in broseph at the end

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

eric dickerson is a much better RB than James

Just in terms of talent and ability. Both had amazing different careers at different eras on dffferent teams. so not worth arguing who’s numbers were better or whos career was better.

But Dickerson was a freak.

by Blitzburgh on Mar 6, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

“And I’m not sure if I’m taking "The best back in Colts history " out of context, and yes, he was the most productive RB rushing wise while playing for the Colts, but he’s not even in the conversation for best back that’s played for the Colts. If his only competition was Faulk, then yes he was better as a Colt. And as a pure runner, he was phenomenal. But Edge isn’t in the same category as Eric Dickerson as the best pure runner that’s ever played for the Colts.”

“I don’t like using ifs, but if Edge hadn’t tore his ACL, there would be no question that he was the best Colts RB ever, and arguably one of the best running backs of all time as well.”

And to tell you the truth, I didn’t think that you’d take the “you’re smoking crack” comment as such an insult. After other people put up a completely innocent comment and you come in and say “You add nothing blah blah blah, you should stop posting blah blah blah.” I thought you might be a little less sensitive. Apparently I was wrong, which led to the argument.

Sorry bra, I’ll make sure to treat you with kid gloves from now on. I’ll remember that next time you jump all over people in the future. You can deal the insults, but can’t take anything that remotely resembles one without going off.

By the way, maybe you should go reread the flow of the posts. I not only say Edge was a phenomenal runner but a better true runner than Moore and Faulk. You then said I was diminishing him, which I wasn’t. That pissed me off because I really do like Edge. Obviously I misconstrued your intent by saying “arguably one of the best RBs of all time.” Which he isn’t, nor would he have been ACL or not. He might have statistically been one, but there is a long history of the NFL with talents that will rarely be seen or will never be seen again. Edge was not one of them. Edge is easily in the top 15, but one of the bests of all time places him in the top 10 at the very least.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The smoking crack comment didn’t hurt my feelings, it was just annoying, along with you insulting my opinion. Am I not allowed to be annoyed because someone is insulting me? Btw, don’t take me posts towards other people out of context here. I don’t go around looking for people to flame just to get my kicks for the day. If someone says something that I think warrants are response, I respond. More often than not though, they take it the wrong and and get offended when that’s not my intention. Fans from other blogs and trolls are a different story.

By the way, maybe you should go reread the flow of the posts. I not only say Edge was a phenomenal runner but a better true runner than Moore and Faulk. You then said I was diminishing him, which I wasn’t. That pissed me off because I really do like Edge. Obviously I misconstrued your intent by saying "arguably one of the best RBs of all time." Which he isn’t, nor would he have been ACL or not. He might have statistically been one, but there is a long history of the NFL with talents that will rarely be seen or will never be seen again. Edge was not one of them. Edge is easily in the top 15, but one of the bests of all time places him in the top 10 at the very least.

Thanks for proving every point I just made in my earlier post.

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Draft a RB

Because…

A. They have an immediate impact

B. There is a need to improve our running game

C. Lots of good RB’s in the draft this year.

by MasterRWayne on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

my 2 cents

I’ve been clear in the past that I’d love to see Edge in a Colts uniform again. I base this on two main reasons:

1) I think he has something left in the tank and can help us immediately. I was very impressed with his performance all throughout the playoffs behind that crappy run line. As Shake points out, he was clearly superior to the significantly younger Hightower running behind the same line. I think he would be better than Dom (as the stats say he was last year).

2) There’s been a lot of talk on this site recently about the running game and whether Addai is washed up or will ever be that back we saw in the first year and a half. He seems tentative, dances, isn’t quick to the hole, etc. I think having Edge in Indy to mentor Addai would be absolutely invaluable. I don’t believe Addai is washed up, but I do think he needs help and guidance (perhaps beyond just what the coaches can give him) if he is to regain his previous stature. I can’t think of a better player to influence and nurture Addai along than Edge.

Obviously Edge is not the long term answer for the Colts. But if we can get him for a reasonable one or two year deal (vet minimum maybe?), he could help us win right now and help position Addai to carry the load better in the future. Peyton’s not going to last forever. We are so close to winning it all again; along with a run-stuffing DT, Edge could be the piece that helps put us over the top.

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I agree with BBS about not wanting him back, but if it were to happen (obviously I have no control over this), I would hope he gets to start. Addai shouldn’t be starting, even if he does return to the pre-middle of the 2007 season form.

Here’s a question for you:

If the Colts do pick up Edge, would you draft another running back anyways?

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by KingRichard on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So, youre saying you dont want him back, but if he DOES return, it wouldnt be bad?

by Piojocuau on Mar 4, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Drafting an RB

Having Edge in the fold would give us the luxury of only drafting an RB if a great value fell to us. I’d still like to see what Hart can do, Addai and Edge would allow Hart to be brought along slowly. Ideally, I’d like to see Addai and Hart and a bigger 3rd down/goal line kind of back as our RB corps of the future. This may or may not work out, but it would be the most efficient use of resources we already have, and allow us to focus on the lines and LB in this draft.

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

If the Colts bring back James, the Colts could easily hold off on drafting a RB until next year while focusing on another position of need.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 4, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As you say, Addai probably needs a mentor, and i still have hope in Joe (i have to).

by Piojocuau on Mar 4, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too

I don’t think Joe is done, I jut think he’s lost his way. If he can get back on the right track, our RB situation looks much brighter. I think Edge can help.

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Catching the ball out of the backfield

Edge is still the best at it; see Addai’s drops.

by Stadtfeld on Mar 4, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

see what you are seeing BigBlueShoe and you make some good points…if we could have our choice of either Rhodes or James for the same exact price, I’d have to pick James any day even if hes a little bit older and lost a step

by BigColtsFanFromNJ on Mar 4, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

"And when he retires, #32 should retire as a Colts number. I like Mike Hart, but it is damned odd to see him running around with the number "32" on his jersey. Makes about as much sense as letting Sorgi play with "19" on his, at least in my mind."

I’m unsure about having his number retired. I’ve been trying to find something to back up my argument but I’m not great at that.

But one thing is for sure, “32” is no where near as iconic as “19” is for the Colt’s franchise.

by MarkFive05 on Mar 4, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

RBs

I dont think Edge is as good as what we saw in the playoffs from him. However, I think he would be a better option than Rhodes. Addai is better than both of them if hes healty, which is a big if. The line was bad, but if you really look at it our RBs they are very average. If the Colts use some of their cap to address some other needs (like we hear they might) than I would love to see a RB in the first couple rounds. But if they dont, I think WR, DT, OLB are more important

by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Mar 4, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

OK with all due respect to the Edge

I would love to see him comeback to Indy (next to John Srandiford & Peyton (even thought he wasn’t that good) the Edge is my all time fav. Colt) and I’m sure he wants to come back to Indy. But I don’t really think the Colts need him since he plays a lot like Joseph AddAi and may be a bit pricey.

So as far as back-up RB’s go for the Colts, I’d say the picture looks like this

-Rhodes will likely be the Colts next free agent priority and possibly their last.

-Mike Hart will likely be back next season since he is doing well in recovery from his ACL injury, but he still isn’t recovering as well as Marlin Jackson.

-Warrik Dunn may end up a Colt. But if the team re-sing’s Rhodes, it could be doubtful

-The Colts are already working on giving Lance Ball a contract for next season, which mean’s Clifton Dawson and Chad Simpson could be gone next season.

So as much as I’d like to see the Edge back in a Colts uniform, I doubt it happens. But I could be wrong.

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by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 4, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jennings

Scout.com also implies that they Colts are looking heavily at a small school back with alot of size. That means Rashad Jennings from Liberty and I think he would be a great player for the Colts

by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Mar 4, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jennings wouldn't be a bad pick

But I think in the first 5 rounds the Colts will address the needs of WR, DT, OL, LB, & P (assuming Hunter the punter is gone).

Anyone remember POTFH???

by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 4, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Colts will not draft a punter in the first 5 rounds

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not with Dragosavich on the books, although if nobody else wants Hunter I expect to see him back on a reduced deal.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 4, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Could be

At any rate, the last time they drafted a punter (Hunter in ‘99) it was in the 7th round. I doubt they’d go higher than that this year, even if they do feel it’s a position of need.

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well that all depends on weather or not the team re-sign's hunter smith

If no one want’s him which is possible, I’d say he’ll be re-signed before the draft and the Colts won’t go for a punter. But you just never can tell with these things.

Anyone remember POTFH???

by PatsR18*andDONEwithoutCHEATING on Mar 6, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So many things wrong with that first sentence

I overuse/abuse parenthesis all the time, but seriously, parenthesis inside parenthesis is for math, that’s it. Either use a commas for a parenthetical element, which I needed to look up the technical term for, or an asterisk and explanation outside the paragraph.

It’s sad that you can’t spell the name of one of your two favorite Colts, you referred to Peyton instead of Standiford with your second set of parenthesis, and you used thought instead of though.

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by shake n bake on Mar 4, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If the team re-sing's Rhodes

I guess he’ll have to wait for 2010; American Idol 2009 is already underway.

by LovinBlue on Mar 4, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with the sentiment on not wanting Edge back, but I disagree with your listing of players better than Edge. I think Edge would clearly be the best back on the roster were he to sign with the Colts, but I don’t think the cost:efficiency ratio for edge’s contract would out-weigh the cost:efficiency ratio of Addai or a few other people on the roster. Unless, of course, Edge is willing to come to the Colts solely because he wants to play for the Colts. Did he get his big money deal and now wants to play for the Colts, at any salaray? If thats the case, Edge @ something ridiculous like 1 million per year would not only be the best back on the roster, but his cost:efficiency ratio would dwarf not only the RBs on the roster, but most players, in general, on the roster.

In summary: Edge at big contract bad. Edge at tiny, will never happen, contract good.

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by Nideak on Mar 4, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

You never know.

I’ve read several articles where he’s been quoted as saying, basically, he wants to play for a team that has a real shot at the SB, that the Colts would be a great fit….

I hope he’s had his payday and now wants a little glory. I’m thinking that if he’s the starter and switches off with Addai and Hart it might work for him. Well, I’m hoping, actually.

My gut feeling is that you’re right on this though.

And thanks for not cussin’ =D

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by peytonsthebest on Mar 4, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just trying to protect you.

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by Nideak on Mar 4, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My vote is...hell, I don't know...we've just got to run the ball better in '09

Trying to synthesize the discussion and add my two cents:

1. Edge probably has some gas left in the tank physically, and I think everyone on both sides of this issue thinks he’d be a great teammate.

2. However, Addai is (probably) the future, so it makes no sense to me to talk about James starting or taking getting significant touches if he is signed. I’m of the view that he’s a #2 back in a rotation, spelling Addai.

3. Edge might (or might not) be better than Dom right now, but assuming they’re close, I can’t see both of them (even at veterans’ minimums) on the roster. Gambling on Hart is highly risky, as he’s coming back from a serious injury and he was slow to begin with.

4. Whatever does or doesn’t happen, I’m not in favor of spending the first or second round pick on a running back. Too many other needs at LB, DT, OL, WR. I’m with whoever said above that RBs can be picked up easily and contribute quickly.

In a fit of equivocation, I think if Edge can be signed for the minimum, it’s okay at best, but hardly a guarantee the Colts will win the Super Bowl. On a personal level, all of us, I think, appreciate his contributions to the Colts and would love to see him line up with Peyton again.

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by Coltsfan58 on Mar 4, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My solution?

Offer a 4th or a 5th round pick (whichever round our compensation pick ends up happening to fall, we won’t drop but a few spots from our pick anyway) to Denver for Peyton Hillis. He’s not even competing for the starting job at this point, and he’s slated to be a role player. I have absolutely no clue why the would do that in the first place, but they’ve already showed they have no loyalty to their players and are looking to move people. Cutler, and now Scheffler is on the trading block. I’m sure they’d seriously consider it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjDe0WDuCg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtNxvpaK6I&feature=related

I’d have no problem with them using Addai as a 3rd down back and Hillis starting. None. He’s the guy that I would hope the Colts would draft.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

Looking at some of the video from above, HIllis had some good plays and could really catch the ball. However, Im not sure replacing a guy who had hamstring problems with another player who tore his hamstring as my best solution.

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 4, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The potential

The potential is there. I would be much more hesitant if he had a history of injury. If he had shown that in college (stuck behind McFadden and Jones didn’t help) and had the same injury, I’d say he’s definitely worth the risk taking in the 4th or 5th round. It’s better than an ACL or knee injury. He also didn’t just show that on the college level, but the NFL and I value that more. At the moment, our best option is a smaller back with an ACL injury that he may or may not recover from in time to contribute. The best solution would be Peyton Hillis without a hamstring injury, I agree. However, in the 4th or 5th round, I don’t think you could find someone with his skillset and ability. Granted, he was a 7th round (or 6th, I forget) and turned out well. And if I threw on some pads I could probably get 500 yards in Denver. But a good chunk of those plays are individual effort and skill. I think he’d be worth the risk considering his potential. His injury history isn’t nearly as extensive as some other picks. Even Wells has a history. I’d rather have a completely healthy Hillis over Wells considering what he showed at this level. And we would still have him under his rookie contract if it was a trade.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting idea

but I’d want it to be a 6th-rounder that we offered. Hell they just signed Arrington and Buckhalter, they seemed to be most high on Torain (who should be back), they still have Young and that other guy (who can keep track of all these Denver RBs?), we’d be doing them a favor! In fact, maybe we should just wait until they release him….

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and LaMont Jordan

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Mar 4, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They got Jordan too?

I have no clue what they’re doing to that team. If they don’t finish at least 9-7 next year they’re going to riot in Denver.

I’m pretty sure the Arrington deal fell apart though didn’t it?

Still, starting with a 6th rounder would make sense if they seem so adamant about getting 3 RBs. There’s no room for Torain, Buckhalter (the two competing for the starting job), Jordan, Young, Hillis and whoever else. I don’t remember seeing if they cut Bell or not. Not to mention, if they’re not sold on Hillis and don’t think he’s worth at least the 3rd string RB slot, then yeah, a 6th rounder would be about right. That’d be a round ahead of where they got him, and if they’re not even considering using him, they may as well get something they need. I don’t know if he’d be able to become a RFA, but if they don’t have him in future plans, they wouldn’t want to pay him that. And somebody will pick him up for more than league minimum, just considering what he did when he played this year.

I’d say offer a 6th and if they ask for a 5th, at least consider it.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, that seems reasonable

by ctnyc on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't get me wrong.

I like Addai. I don’t like the way he was used up the middle last year when the line stunk it up and he was injured, though.

If he makes it through the entire season next year without injury, I will eat my words. Its kinda like Bobzilla, you EXPECT some sort of injury every year… so why not have another quality back in there…we don’t know how Hart will be after his serious injury/surgery last year. Dom is a FA. Either draft a POWER back, or sign Edge.

Whatever happens, the run game MUST improve next year. That’s the only way we can sell play-action…

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by peytonsthebest on Mar 5, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If we’re going to sign a back, I want a bruiser.

Whatever James has left in the tank, he’s no bruiser.

by eltharion_doa on Mar 4, 2009 10:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Did you watch the Hillis video?

That’s about as good a combination as you’ll see for size, speed, strength, catching ability. I’m not even sure who has better hands as a RB right now. That one overthrown, over the shoulder pass was amazing.

Ahh. Actually…come to think of it I may know what they’re doing. He was a FB/TE when he started the season. Denver just put Scheffler on the trading block. Shannahan said in an interview they were going to use him as a TE/HB and move him all around because he was so versatile and could do some crazy plays to confuse teams. They might be willing to lose Scheffler if they think Hillis can play TE.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 4, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

RBs

I really like Hillis, i hope the Colts consider picking him up. I’m not sure about everyone else but im getting really anxious to see what the Colts do in free agency. Obviously we arent going to pick up anyone huge, but I find myself checking every day to see if the Colts signed just anyone. Once free agency signings are over we can finally predict their draft. As of now, I think WR, DT, OLB, and RB really need to be addressed. Those are just the major needs. I just hope the colts arent gonna try to get immediate contributors at all those positions in the draft alone.

by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Mar 4, 2009 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Is the general consensus?

Is the general consensus that folks would want Edge back over drafting a RB?

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by BigBlueShoe on Mar 5, 2009 7:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I would say yes. You should attach a poll to this thread.

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by KingRichard on Mar 5, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd take

Hillis over Edge at this point. But I’d take Edge over drafting a RB. If we didn’t have the other needs, it wouldn’t be as big a deal. But we need a couple of our picks to be starters immediately. Limits being able to absorb missing on a draft pick. At least with those two we have an idea what we’re getting at the NFL level.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Mar 5, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs