Indy and the first rounder
I recently remembered a PFR blog post rating the best drafting teams over a decade (1996 to 2005). Indy of course came out as the best, by far. What really set Indy apart wasn't the late round steals, all good drafting franchises unearth their share of them. It was that they just didn't miss on first rounders. Indy was merely above average in rounds 2-7, but they got more value (over the average production from their draft spot) in the first round than any team got from their entire drafts (despite trading back out of the 1st in 2004). Year after year Indy gets great players in the first round.
Marvin Harrison and Tarik Glenn were the 1st rounders in the stats, but before Polian, here are Polian's first rounders.
| Year | Player | Pick # |
All Pros | Pro Bowls | Yrs Started |
| 1998 | Peyton Manning | 1 | 4 | 9 | 11 |
| 1999 | Edgerrin James | 4 | 1 | 4 | 9 |
| 2000 | Rob Morris | 28 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
| 2001 | Reggie Wayne | 30 | 0 | 3 | 8 |
| 2002 | Dwight Freeney | 11 | 2 | 4 | 7 |
| 2003 | Dallas Clark | 24 | 0 | 0 | 6 |
| 2005 | Marlin Jackson | 28 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| 2006 | Joseph Addai | 30 | 0 | 1 | 2 |
| 2007 | Anthony Gonzalez | 32 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
and if you expand it to "first pick of their draft" you add in
| Year | Player | Pick # |
All Pros | Pro Bowls | Yrs Started |
| 2004 | Bob Sanders |
44 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
So that's 9 all pro selections, 23 Pro Bowls, and every first rounder becoming a fixture in the starting lineup. Rob Morris is the closest thing to a first round bust, and he's a late first rounder, who started for 4 seasons, then was phased out because of a scheme change. Morris stayed on as a special teams ace and backup, until 2006 when he helped save the season by replacing Gilbert Gardner. Morris along with Sanders return and McFarland settling in suddenly gave the Colts the defense they needed for the SB run. When it's hard to pick out a best pick (Probably Peyton. He was #1 overall though, what about guys like Wayne, Freeney and Edge who other teams passed on, but Indy grabbed and made great?) and hard to pick a worst (Morris, pending Jackson, Addai and Gonzo's futures?) then you are either doing it very right or very wrong. Indy is clearly doing first round picks very very right. Whoever Indy takes at #27 is very likely to be another fantastic first round pick in the Colts long line of them.
"In Polian we trust" for a reason.
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Yep one of the best drafting teams
except the 2005 draft. I dont know what went wrong there.
Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......
Jackson, Hayden, Gio, Hagler isn't bad
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
no its not
but it definatly sticks out like a sore thumb on the Colts draft record. and Giodanio and Hagler are still pending.
Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......
by colts9318rock on Mar 8, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
two starting cornerbacks with your first two picks is pretty damn good.
http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3
by torontocoltsfan on Mar 8, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is, but lets look at the 2005 draft for the Colts
1. Marlin Jackson- Big help to the Colts Defense to win the SB.
2. Kelvin Hayden- Same as above
3. Vincent Burns- DT flopp. I hope we dont go there this year.
4. Dylan Gandy- Help a little on the O-line. Not a big factor for the SB. NFL journey man
5. Matt Giodano- a special teams demon. lots of potenial upside. Helped ST in the SB run.
6. Jonathan Welsh- Not Dwight Freeney or Robert Mathis. A project that failed. Not a factor for SB
7. Robert Hunt- Did not contribute to the SB winning team. NFL journey man.
8. Tyjaun Hagler- Big help for Special teams during the SB run. To bad he has injuries and his future with the Colts is pending.
9. Dave Rayner- Awsome leg but no accuarcy. No help for the SB run.
10. Anthony Davis- PS player. no help for the SB run.
I’ve seen the Colts do better.
Nate Davis = beast, God I hope he doesn't go to Detriot.......
by colts9318rock on Mar 8, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
they have done better
it’s basically the difference between a good draft and a great draft.
no real debate here.
http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3
by torontocoltsfan on Mar 8, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
First round picks that have moved on:
Glenn retired. Harrison to FA. Edge left. Morris released.
I’m curious which will be the next first round pick to no longer be on the team. The Colts have been amazing with their first pick. Whether a rare underperformer or a salary cap casualty (or retirement), some will eventually be gone. Who’s likely next? M-Jax? Addai?
tough to predict
MJax is a FA after the season
Addai has two years left on his deal
Gonzo and Wayne have 3 years left
Peyton, Freeney and Sanders are 4 of the 6 players with deals that run 4+ more years (the others are Justin Snow and ….
Dallas Clark is the only Colt signed for 5 more seasons.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 9, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
either Ugoh or Pollak would be the entry for 08
depending on how you want to look at it.
Pollak was their first pick of the 08 draft, like Sanders was of the 04 draft, but the pick Ugoh was drafted with was in exchange for the 08 first rounder, like the Sanders pick was in exchange for the 04 1st rounder.
Either way it wasn’t an instant success, but needs time to get a reasonable eval.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 9, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Dallas Clark
Man, the “0” next to Dallas Clark in the Pro-Bowl category is just stupid. He’s a helluva lot better than people give him credit for, and the only reason he hasn’t made a Pro Bowl is because KC fans are stuck on Tony Gonzalez.
It’s easy to get stuck on a guy who caught 1000+ yards and ten TDs from tight end last season…
Gonzo goes for 900 yards every season, and has caught at least 5 TDs from 06 to 08, the years Clark has been at his best for us. I love Dallas, but he’s never gone over 900 yards and the only season he’s hauled in more TDs than Gonzo was last season.
When you’ve got two insane tight ends in your conference (I don’t need to mention why Gates goes, do I?), it’s pretty tough getting a shirt at the Pro Bowl, regardless of how excellent you are.
Dallas will get his, eventually.
by eltharion_doa on Mar 9, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
He was just unlucky to be in the same conference as two of the best TEs ever.
I ain't tryin' do you, I'm just tryin' do me
Last album did two, I'm just tryin' do three.
-Young Jeezy "I Luv It
by shake n bake on Mar 9, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing.
Dallas is very under-rated.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Mar 9, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions

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