Hakeem Nicks works out for Colts
Colt Power reporting that the Colts held a workout for WR Hakeem Nicks.
about 3 years ago
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I'd say that's good news
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
starting to doubt he gets by both Miami and Baltimore though
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if a WR is the best player on the board it isn't
I’d rather have Jerry or Ziggy over Nicks and Britton and Knowshon over Britt.
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Disagree
Only receiver I genuinely like for the Colts is Britt from Rutgers.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 1, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
so then if Britt is the best player on the board they should draft him?
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, NONE of the receivers in this draft will be the BPA when the Colts pick. There will be so many players that the Colts could draft that would have an immediate impact on the team NOW that drafting a WR is the dumbest thing the Colts could ever do.
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so it's impossible for a WR to be the BPA at Indy's first
Lets say
Knowshon to San Diego (16) or Jets (17)
Jerry to Tampa (19)
Hood to Detroit (20)
Britton to Philly (21)
Laurinatis to Miami (25)
Then who do you want at 27
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Those aren’t the only guys that are worth a first round selection to the Colts. There’s a ton of OL and LBs in this draft, along with a few DTs who could be worth a first round selection.
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who?
Beatty? Moala? anyone else at those spots is going to be gone, doesn’t fit, or would be a reach (so not value).
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s only 26 teams drafting before the Colts and more than 32 players worthy of a first round pick. People will fall, it happens ever year.
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Like this guy
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a guy that's shot up 2-3 rounds in workouts scares me
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilbert to Atlanta (24)
they could use a penetrating DT.
Who do you want now
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care who it is, because anyone who is drafted will be more valuable than any WR selected that’s for sure.
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you don't have an example
you just know there’s someone
nice argument.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides DT, there will not be another position/player on defense who will come in and start. An OT could come in and maybe take over, but I don’t think Polian will go that route at least not yet. A RB could compliment Addai, but won’t be a starter. Theres not a whole lot of positions where a rookie will come in and have a huge impact right away besides the DT position, OT position, and a RB. A impactful DT can be had in the 3rd round if all the 1st round prospects are gone.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Apr 1, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe like a Slot WR?
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They don’t necessarily have to be the “starter,” they can still see significant playing time though. Besides, offensive lineman regularly start the same year they are drafted.
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Wow...
You do put it out there KingRichard. I’m not sure that you can support a statement like that… I mean it’s pure conjecture. And value isn’t determined solely by their production in their first year, to be sure. Do I want a WR in Round 1? I would prefer DT or OT. Is it plausible that Raji, Hood, Gilbert, Brace, and the best OT talent are off the board when we pick? Yes. LB v. WR in Round 1 – man, for me that is tough. Especially if all those players I just mentioned are off of the board, some of the best WR talent in the draft will still be available. 3rd or 4th rated WR vs. 3rd or 4th rated LB. sighs and hands Polian his job back
a DE?
now that’s a position Indy doesn’t need a 1st round pick at.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what Raiders fans were saying in 2000 about kickers
then Sea Bass came along…………………….
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The Colts need a DE as much as they need a WR man. It’s kind of freaky how similar both of those positions really are.
Both DE and WR have 2 great starters. Both DE and WR have two prospects waiting in the wings. There is also ZERO need at both of these positions. So let me turn the table back on you. If Maybin, or Orakpo, or Everette Brown for some retarded reason fall to the Colts, would you draft them solely on the fact that they would be BPA despite the lack of need? And by lack of need, I mean ZERO need.
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yeah
move Brock back to DT and have the rookie take the Brock role at DT. Taking run downs for Mathis (or splitting them if it’s skinny ass Maybin) and spelling Freeney.
I AM FOR BPA.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
*Brock role at DE
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
But yet you can’t name someone other than a receiver as BPA right? Because everyone I have named, or whatever general idea I throw out is just wrong.
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I think...
Shake is saying that Nicks, based on his previously selected players, would be the BPA. So… convincing him otherwise may be difficult because that is HIS opinion/general idea. He is making an argument for that. You’re saying that no matter how persuasive he is about Nicks value that he is just wrong. Wouldn’t the converse be expected? I doubt it’s anything personal.
The logic is retarded though. I don’t care if Nicks would be the BPA (which he wouldn’t be). Just because some badass DE fell to the Colts at 27, and he was the BPA, doesn’t mean you just draft the guy to draft him. Same goes for a QB. It would be a WASTED PICK. So you guys, or just shake, can argue for BPA all day long, but that doesn’t make the idea of wanting Nicks because he is the BPA any less bad.
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Also...
Just because Polian says that he likes to draft the BPA, doesn’t mean that guy has to be a position the Colts are loaded at just because he is the BPA. I guaruntee neither of you will find a draft pick that was made just for the hell of it because he was the BPA. Every pick Polian makes is based on something, some weakness the Colts have or will have in the future. Just look at the history. Yeah, he drafts BPA, but that BPA is always because the Colts need that guy. The Colts DON’T NEED a WR, BPA or not.
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they don't need a WR
because the Colts have never excelled with 3 highly drafted WRs.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously man, the passing game is the least of the Colts worries now, or 2-3 years down the road. If they don’t fix the o-line and the running game, Peyton isn’t going to be able to throw to the 2 great receivers he has now let alone some first round pick.
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That is also VERY true...
But you don’t grab a guy in the 1st round who is a relatively decent chance of improving those areas with your first round pick if you’re all but guaranteed to have a significant improvement on your team in another facet of the game if you pick someone else.
I'm still waiting for someone to give a more plausible explanation
for why the Colts running game crashed mid-season than my hypothesis of OL injuries.
2006+1st half of ’07
14 starts missed on the OL (1 by Diem, 2 by Ugoh, 0 by Saturday, 0 by Scott, 0 by Glenn, 11 by Lilja)
2nd half of ’07 + 2008
36 starts missed on the OL (4 by Saturday, 16 by Lilja, 3 by Pollak, 6 by Diem, 7 by Ugoh)
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Could it be
That two years ago Addai didnt have a back up and was out of gas in the 2007 season?
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by colts9318rock on Apr 2, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind KR...
I’d MUCH rather get someone else. And I am also miffed to some extend that Shake is labeling Barwin as only a DE, and apparently you’re going along with that as well. I see no reason why he couldn’t be used as a LB on our squad and with his abilities at two other positions on the field… how could I not make an argument that he’d be the MVPA? At least the argument. I’m not saying that is who we SHOULD draft. I’m saying that people in contention for MVPA honors at that pick would have to include Barwin, based on the previous picks we’re working from. I’m the guy who said Jarron Gilbert almost immediately.
No offense KR...
You’ve yet to come up with any support for your argument that picking Nicks 1) wouldn’t be the BPA, 2) would be a WASTED PICK, or 3) would be an act of retarded logic… other than your opinion of those three things. Your argument is void of a rationale other than your opinion that WR is not a need AT ALL, the same as DE… and your support for this is… the truth of your own statement. So it’s hard to argue with that. You’re claiming no one will listen to your argument and are insisting that somehow everyone else is in some kind of box and are unwilling to be reasonable or rational. And yet you’re saying… HE ISN’T THE BPA, I’M TELLING YOU, AND BECAUSE HE ISN’T THE BPA… IT’S A DUMB PICK. AND THERE IS NO NEED FOR A WR AT ALL, WHY? BECAUSE I’M TELLING YOU THERE ISN’T. WHY ARE YOU ALL NOT YET ON BOARD?
Because we think he may well be. That there would at least be a rational/logical argument that he is. Because we don’t see the present and near future of the Colts roster at WR a COMPLETE LOCK without any need or potential for upgrade. So… how, outside of bowing to your superior football intelligence (which you seem to know that you have more than anyone) are we to come to agree with you?
it's an argument from tenacity
it’s true because KR believes it is.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You’ve yet to come up with any support for your argument that picking Nicks 1) wouldn’t be the BPA, 2) would be a WASTED PICK, or 3) would be an act of retarded logic… other than your opinion of those three things.
Just like shake has yet to come up with any support that Nicks 1) Would be the BPA, 2) Wouldn’t be a wasted pick, or 3) wouldn’t be an act of retarded logic…other than his opinion.
Your argument is void of a rationale other than your opinion that WR is not a need AT ALL, the same as DE… and your support for this is… the truth of your own statement.
What the hell are you even talking about now? How are my arguments lacking rationale? If anything, they are more rationale and logical than anything you two guys are saying.
Go look a the depth chart, and look up how much a rookie receiver is actively involved in the offense aside from Gonzo’s rookie season because he was forced to play more than he normally would have.
It makes no sense at all to draft a receiver in the first, BPA or not, because we have 3 other guys on the depth chart with familiarity of the offense could could fill in that 3rd receiver slot now.
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they are more rational...
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there are multiple other guys on the depth chart who could fill in at every spot
should Indy pass on Jerry because they have 3 guys on the depth chart who can fill in the NT spot now?
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No, because Jerry would be an obvious upgrade who could FILL IN NOW at that position. Get it?
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and Nicks or Harvin wouldn't be an upgrade from Hall/Garcon/Guns as the 3rd WR?
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure wouldn’t. Want to know why? I’ll tell you. We don’t know how good Garcon or Hall could be, because they have had their shot yet. We’ve seen the best of Foster and Dawson, and they don’t cut it.
I mean really man, you’re a pretty smart guy. I find it hard to believe you don’t understand what I’m saying here.
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lol
a rookie DT is more proven than a starter, but a rookie WR is less proven than a backup.
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Nicks... in your mind...
Isn’t an obvious upgrade over Roy Hall (missed two years due to injury), Pierre Garcon (tiny school kid with one year head-start), Samuel Giguere (a Canadian football player who needed a year, at least to learn enough about the NFL to be a viable competitor for a roster spot), Taj Smith (no one is talking about him?
It is implausible for you that Nicks would be an immediate upgrade over those guys. That he could, in his first year, produce more than those guys could in their second years. That idea, is completely dismissed in your mind?
Let’s say you’re right, if after a year of development Nicks is NFL ready 2WR on the outside and Gonzo moves back inside. You’d rather reach for an upgrade at a need position in the first, dismissing all WRs and RBs without any exceptions at all. What about Crabtree? Maclin?
Where the argument is irrational is that you have made it clear that your position is that, under no circumstance could Nicks or Britt or whoever be the BPA on our board at 27 because we should grab someone at a bigger need position without question… no matter how much of a reach it might be. You have made an absolute and immovable argument. Your mind is closed to any other conclusion. And you’re complaining that we don’t agree with you. So… unless we believe your opinion… UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD A WR BE TAKEN IN ROUND 1, we’re irrational, illogical, retarded, etc. You won’t budge, we must follow your opinion or elsewise be cast off as fools. thumbs up Okey-dokey.
Isn’t an obvious upgrade over Roy Hall (missed two years due to injury), Pierre Garcon (tiny school kid with one year head-start), Samuel Giguere (a Canadian football player who needed a year, at least to learn enough about the NFL to be a viable competitor for a roster spot), Taj Smith (no one is talking about him?
Correct, he isn’t an obvious upgrade. So what if Roy Hall missed two years because of injury. It’s not like he was getting reconstructive knee surgery year after year. He just had a couple lingering injuries that kept him side-lined. Besides, the only year the Colts really could have used him that much was in 2007. Which happened to be the same year he was a rookie and his teammate (who happened to be a first round pick) was starting in place of the injured Marvin Harrison. He could have made an impact on the team that season, but like you said, he was hurt. So we really don’t know what he could have done. But regardless, Hall isn’t costing the team that much anyways.
It is implausible for you that Nicks would be an immediate upgrade over those guys. That he could, in his first year, produce more than those guys could in their second years. That idea, is completely dismissed in your mind?
Dismissed? No. Highly unlikely that it would happen? Quite. Although I’m sure if he were picked in the first round he would be expected to have a gradually increased workload as time goes on. But then I question what the point in drafting Garcon, Hall, and Giguere and the other guy was for. Were they just picked up for the hell of it? Or did Polian, the genius drafting master, see something in those guys that could benefit the Colts. You tell me.
Let’s say you’re right, if after a year of development Nicks is NFL ready 2WR on the outside and Gonzo moves back inside. You’d rather reach for an upgrade at a need position in the first, dismissing all WRs and RBs without any exceptions at all.
Where, oh where, did I ever said I would rather reach for someone instead of drafting a WR in the 1st? WHERE?! I’ll save you the time and just say that I NEVER said that. And who the heck is talking about running backs?
What about Crabtree? Maclin?
What about them? You and I both know neither of them will be around for the Colts to pick, so I’m not even going to waste my time arguing that.
Where the argument is irrational is that you have made it clear that your position is that, under no circumstance could Nicks or Britt or whoever be the BPA on our board at 27 because we should grab someone at a bigger need position without question… no matter how much of a reach it might be. You have made an absolute and immovable argument. Your mind is closed to any other conclusion. And you’re complaining that we don’t agree with you. So… unless we believe your opinion… UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD A WR BE TAKEN IN ROUND 1, we’re irrational, illogical, retarded, etc. You won’t budge, we must follow your opinion or elsewise be cast off as fools. thumbs up Okey-dokey.
My argument isn’t irrational because I never said that. Refer to above.
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our rationale is that Nicks is on most overall ranking boards near #27
and is a common mock draft pick. So that’s why he could likely be BPA.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
My rationale has nothing to do with mock drafters or position rankings. I have watched him play, seen his measurables and researched him thoroughly.
Of ALL the WRs in the draft, the BEST possible fit for the Colts, in my opinion, is Hakeem Nicks. Brian Robiskie is a close second.
So… if I have to choose between my #1 WR prospect and my #5 or #6 DT, #5 or #6 OT, etc…. I can foresee the POSSIBILITY, that my #1 WR will be the MVPA. That’s all.
I don’t even WANT to pick a WR in Round 1. I’ve made that VERY clear. BUT, will I sit here and tell EVERYONE that there is NO WAY!!!! Nicks could be the BPA at #27 when we draft? Umm… NO. I can’t say that.
I HOPE, he isn’t. I really really really HOPE that he isn’t. I HOPE that Gilbert or Hood or Jerry are there and would take them BEFORE Nicks in a heartbeat (maybe a twinge of hesitation on Gilbert). So… far from being someone who is making an argument that Nicks IS THE GREATEST 1ST ROUND PICK WE COULD EVER MAKE… I’m simply saying he could be the best pick to make when that time comes. It’s possible and plausible… but I HOPE that it doesn’t come to that.
If it does, however, I am VERY confident that he’ll be successful in our system, that Manning will LOVE playing with this kid, and that he’ll be SUPER productive, probably more productive than we could imagine even in his rookie season.
So will I start riots, label Polian as a retarded, illogical GM? NO. As can be found below, someone made that mistake years ago. Mel Kiper, regarding Marshall Faulk. Yeah, go for it!
I almost scratched the "our"
I should have, blame it on me trying to go to sleep right now.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The only thing that gets me going...
Is when someone makes their argument or point and then hurls insults at those who don’t agree with them. It’s unnecessary. My recommendation would be to remove intellectual comments, ad hominem attacks, personal judgments or statements from posts and just talk/argue fact and opinion free of the garbage. shrugs
so the last two seasons of Gonzalez were wasted
that first round pick didn’t net anything until now when he’s replacing Marvin Harrison?
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzalez
You said 3 highly drafted receivers didn’t lead to success, well considering how much time Harrison missed, and when Gonzalez was drafted, I’d actually have to say that two first round receivers, and a first round receiver RB, and a first round receiving TE seemed to lead to success without all 3 on the field.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I'm for BPA
but if you are excluding positions based on non-need a DE/TE is off the list.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Connor Barwin will be a star...
No matter which of the three positions he plays. Put him at OLB on your list if you’re worried about greatest need. Either way, I think he’ll excel in the NFL and would be too good to pass up. MJD would have been a non-need after drafting Addai in the 1st round… Polian was still going to do it.
again preaching to the BPA choir
I’m saying that if Nicks could very well be the BPA and the pick.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not averse to taking Nicks at all...
If we take a WR in Round 1, I’m all about drafting Nicks. Of all the receivers I’ve seen he is the most “Colts-like”
I differ from some...
I don’t think it’d be stupid AT ALL to take a WR in the first round, if that’s the best way to get a productive star on the team. Nicks-Robiskie, I am confident. Will prove to be very productive.
So Harvin is not going to be availible
or you just dont want him
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm up and down on Harvin
To be honest. I mean, he could be AMAZING, and he could be a HUGE BUST. In my mind, he is HIGH RISK, HIGH REWARD. I’m confident that there is LOW RISK, HIGH REWARD on the previous to WRs I mentioned. That said, if we take Harvin, I’ll be happy… so long as we don’t take him over a better player.
He would ba a perfect slot WR
not needed on every play so he can be an understudy and it reduces the amount of injury causing hits.
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's selected...
He’ll be the full-time KR and PR his first year. He’ll get some time in the slot but if you’re drafted that high with his skillset, I would have to think he’ll get A LOT of work, ST included. And he may be a perfect slot. That’s where I’d imagine we’d put him. But Gonzo is the perfect slot too. So I am more inclined to draft a Wideout, get him some reps this year and acclimated to the offense. Have him as the 3WR on the depth and possibly starting on the outside by year’s end. Than have a slot who will stay slot with a perfect slot at Wideout. Not that I have any lack of confidence in Gonzo’s abilities to produce on the outside. Far from it, I think he’ll do great. Next year is his first 1,000+ yards season.
I don't understand the "WE DON'T NEED A WR!!!!!111!!"
was Anthony Gonzalez not useful the last two seasons?
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
who is going to play slot
one close to undrafted free agent or a undrafted free agent? Or a guy that has been on the IR for two years? Sounds like some solid slot WRs
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
why do you think the Colts offense has been so great on 3rd down
for the last 4-5 years with an insane conversion rate?
They’ve had a killer 3 WR + Clark + Elite receiving/blocking RB set that no one can defend.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
AHHH
Then why dont we take a recieving TE like Cook and move Dallas to TE/Slot? Becuase I see your point about the Colts running the 2WR and 2TE package. But the other 50% of the time the Colts are in a 3 WR single back formation or Shot gun formation.
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Cook
but they have one of those in Tamme, and Clark is a better TE than WR. I’d rather have a top 5 TE than a WR than finishes in the 60s of FO’s WR rankings.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So, who plays slot next year?
in a 3 WR 1TE formation
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Personally
I’d use Tamme. I mean, he was scouted as slot receiver in every single report he’s in. And we did draft him in the 4th round. That’s high for a TE period. At least see what he’s got. I don’t see any reason to draft him other than that. His blocking isn’t too great. I think out of 3 DRAFTED young receivers, we could see how they pan out. Really don’t get much better unless you’re seeing the field.
But I’m 100% with you. I’d be extremely happy with Harvin. Peyton never had that type of weapon. He’s pretty much the only WR I like, aside from Barden. I just think showing something different in the playoffs would help us out a bit. Our offense really hasn’t bee as dominant as it used to be. And that’s not something that just all of a sudden happened. And it started happening back at the end of 2005 and carried over to 2006. When the team was healthy. I’m not saying we’re predictable, but adding a new dimension to the game could help us out a ton.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Roy Hall or Pierre Garcon
Those are the easy answers. Additionally, I wouldn’t be SUPER OMFG I CAN’T BELIEVE IT, shocked if Roy Hall lines up on the outside and Gonzo ends up staying in.
Prediction
I hope I eat my words, but I predict that Roy Hall will never see substantial playing time and Polian will eventually give up on him.
Oh yeah...
Samuel Giguere, recently was listed higher on the depth chart than both Hall and Garcon. Take it with a grain of salt but they were VERY high on this kid last year and just wanted to give him a year to work CA football out of his system and familiarize himself with a US, NFL-style offense. Will he turn out to be higher on the roster than anyone expected? Gijon Robinson sure did. shrugs
I hope they have skills
Thats all I can say. When the missed routes, ints, tipped balls, and dropped balls start rolling up I will cry.
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Harvin is known as "sure-handed"
If so… I’ve not heard a lot of talk about it at all when discussing his value.
Brace would be a two down player
he can’t rush the passer.
I think he has less value to Indy, not because of position, but because he doesn’t do what they ask of their DL. Unless Coyer is really letting lose with the LB blitz Indy needs DTs to rush the passer.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside of Booger McFarland...
I can’t think of a time we’ve generated a whole lot of pressure from the NT spot.
Outside of Booger McFarland I can't think of a time
when Indy’s had an established, mature DT.
If they valued taking up blockers over penetration Antonio Johnson and Daniel Muir would have seen the field over a Foster-Dawson DT combo.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I would agree...
Except I think it’s a bit unrealistic to expect mid-season acquisitions the likes of Antonio Johnson and an injured Daniel Muir to be plugged into the starting role so quickly and produce as quickly. It took Booger half the season to get acclimated to our defense and he’s from the Tampa 2.
Dungy
I put some of that on Dungy though. Even if Muir or Johnson were playing better than Dawson and Foster, there is a chance that Dungy would still have kept Dawson out there based on the loyalty factor.
Im neutral on drafting a WR in the first but
What about when Manning is going into his last 2 or 3 years at whichever age (could be from 35-37 or 37-39)? Gonzo will be at his best, Wayne will be on his decline but still effective, Clark should still be really effective, but I wouldn’t mind having another receiving threat . If Warner, who’s old, did not have the receiving core he had this year, the Cardinals would not have gone to the Super Bowl and Warner would be retired. If Farve had Arizona’s recieving core, Farve would still be in the league. They have helped prolong his career, which could be the case with Manning but how dare I compare Warner and Manning with a little touch of Farve. Im just saying the more talent the better as Mannings career comes to an end his last couple of seasons.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Apr 1, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
I dont want to hear Colts fans bitching when our 5th to undrafted recievers cant run routes causing Manning to be intercepted. Anyone remember Kenton Kieth? Of course that man was not a WR but he had stone hands. I dont want to see some worthless guy in our recieving core. For God sakes we had back up DTs and CBs playing last year and they were shaky/horrible. Why the hell should we expect less from our WRs. Atleast take WR in 2nd to 4th round but saying that everything is fine the way it is is wrong.
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he's "the man" for a reason.
polian is the single best talent evaluator in the biz. if he drafts a wide receiver then a wide receiver is the best player available and we’ll be lucky to have him.
exactly
I be happy with who ever the hell we get.
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
no its not, the Lions did it and they even drafted 4
wait hold up, the Lions just went 0-16. But being serious, add Clark (who I know is a TE) but plays a big role in the passing game, I don’t think adding a WR is a neccessity for the offense right now. Either way, I will not be against whatever Polian and the Colts decide to do with that first pick even if its a WR. If the Colts do not draft a WR, it won’t be because they think it will take too much time to groom that player while Manning is coming to an end of his career. He still has at least 5 seasons left in my opinion, so really they could add more talent around him while his talent starts to decline just a bit in that last season or two and still have that prolific offense, while possibly making the transition to a new QB hopefully better.
by ColtsFanNChiTown on Apr 1, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worried
They worked out Sanchez, and he isn’t going.
God I hope we don’t blow that pick on a WR
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I just don’t see it happening. I remember in 2001 when people were shocked that the Colts drafted Reggie Wayne despite their glaring need at DT. In the end it really wasn’t all the surprising considering the Colts didn’t have a legit #2 receiver. The Gonzo pick was clearly made due to Harrison’s inevitable decline to be his replacement. They don’t have a need at WR now, not in the slightest.
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Can someone with access to ColtsPower check on this
I was told that they said the Sanchez stuff was wrong, Indy wasn’t on his workout schedule. That he was never working out for Indy.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
I didn’t think the person that told me was lying at all, but I don’t want to post something without a link,
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh..
So we’re assuming Hood, Jerry, Laurinaitis, Moreno, Gilbert, and Britton are gone?
And the teams were :
SD/NYJ
TB
DET
PHI
MIA
ATL
Were the teams that took them? So that leaves what, 21 players?
Stafford (wouldn’t take)
Sanchez (wouldn’t take)
Raji
Crabtree
Maclin
Wells
D. Brown
Cushing
Curry
Matthews
Harvin
Heyward-Bey
J. Smith
Monroe
Oher
A. Smith
Beatty
Maualuga
V. Davis
Jenkins
Butler
S. Smith
Orakpo
Maybin
E. Brown
T. Jackson
Ayers
Barwin
Pettigrew
Mack
Robinson
So uh, what’s that…31 players. Who do you think goes before 27 from that list? What would your mock be if those picks went there? If we’re going to get hypothetical, let’s take it all the way baby! I’m pretty sure there’s a few people on that list I’d take before Nicks. I’d definitely take D. Brown over him, and I’m really not in favor of a 1st round WR/RB unless it’s Maclin/Harvin or Moreno. But I’d still take Brown over Nicks if I don’t have another option. I’d probably take a couple of the DBs before him too. Never know what’s going to happen with Marlin.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Brown fumbled a good amount and isn't a good blocker
I don’t want him.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion...
The high value at RB in the draft is in late Round 2. And then in late Round 4. Round 2 – Rashad Jennings/Andre Brown. Round 4 – Kory Sheets/Glen Coffee.
Agreed.
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Um
ESPN just decided not to list fumbles?
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174065
“Tendency to Fumble: Brown does a good job of protecting the ball, having just five fumbles on 698 carries (0.72%). He has the functional strength in his arms to secure the ball before heading upfield and holds the ball close to his frame, using his body well to cover up the pigskin on contact. GRADE: 8.1”
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1251085
“FUMBLE/ERRORS Outstanding ball control/doesn’t make mistakes”
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2009dbrown.php
I don’t know where you’re getting your info, or the info I’m getting is completely wrong, but are you sure?
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I REALLY like Brown...
However, what I said above, I BELIEVE, is also true. Brown may be a REALLY good back. But as good of a back as Jennings/Andre Brown in Round 2? cringe That is so tough to say. And if I could get Brown but then had to settle for Sen’Derrick Marks or Fili Moala as my primary upgrade at DT would that be the most value. Or… would Jarron Gilbert and Rashad Jennings/Andre Brown be a strong 1/2 Round draft? I would go with the latter. But that is just me.
ESPN doesn't list fumbles for college RBs, they are teh suck
Does not tuck the ball high and tight. Will let it float from his body when trying to avoid tacklers.
http://www.newerascouting.com/donald-brown-scouting-report/
Needs to learn how to carry the ball better because he leaves himself open to fumbles.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/2/14/753239/scouting-report-donald-bro
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
and one of your two sides with my two on his pass blocking
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean he can't pick it up
Just because he was pretty much the entire offense and they never asked him to doesn’t mean he can’t. I’ve heard him in multiple interviews, he’s one of the smartest kids in the draft. Just because he didn’t block doesn’t mean he can’t block. 2083 yards is pretty impressive.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I'd prefer a 1st round pick that didn't have to be taught key aspects of being a Colts RB
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Either way
I don’t really care, my opinion is that Brown is a better player than Nicks. People are saying Nicks wasn’t even the best WR for NC. Going back to my initial point, tell me who stays and who goes from the list of names I put up. Because I’m pretty sure that going by who you already said would be taken (in your hypothetical), there are several players that are a consensus BPA over Nicks.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I've laid out in detail which players I think are more BPAish
I had a whole front page post going over it. It even got it’s own post on The Indy Football Post praising it.
You list out your idea of BPAs and then we’ll see how unlikely it is for Nicks or Harvin to be BPA. I have class early, I’m going to sleep.
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
apologies if that comes off as dickish
if you don’t want to do a BPA board then we’ll figure out a way to resolve this tomorrow.
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No, apparently you missed the point
It isn’t about BPA. I wouldn’t consider more than a few of those BPA over Nicks. My point is, other teams will consider some of those players BPA over Nicks pertaining to need. So what I’m saying is, who on that list goes before 27. Since you’ve already shot down every single pick someone else put up, I’d like to actually see who you’d take out and who’d be left. I obviously don’t think Sanchez or Stafford are BPA over Nicks, but I’m pretty certain they’ll both be gone before 27. So that’s 8 picks accounted for. I can account for Maclin and Crabtree definitely being BPA over Nicks, so that’s 10. I can pretty much guarantee J. Smith, A. Smith, Oher, Monroe, so that’s 14. Cushing, Matthews, Maualuga, and Curry are the LBs that almost definitely go before 27, so that’s 18. V. Davis and Jenkins will be taken before him, that’s 20. Orakpo, Maybin, E. Brown will go before him, that’s 23. Wells and Pettigrew probably go before him, so that’s 25. Raji would be 26.
D. Brown
Harvin
Heyward-Bey
Beatty
Butler
S. Smith
T. Jackson
Ayers
Barwin
Mack
Robinson
Is he the BPA on that list? I’m asking your opinion, not trying to make up your mind.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I'd have to think about Harvin and maybe Beatty, but I'd say yeah
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
But you agree with the others?
You agree with all the others I listed going higher than 27 though, correct?
Here’s my point, I still think you’re looking at it as BPA for the COLTS. Not as BPA. All any team has to do is take one player from that list right there, or reach for a need, and boom, one of those players that is pretty much guaranteed to be gone before our pick drops to us. Granted, if it’s a DE or QB, no big thing. But the chances of Raji/Gilbert/Hood/Jerry and the others you mentioned, plus the players that are definitely BPA for the entire draft, not the Colts, leaves Nicks as MAYBE the BPA at 27 with Harvin and Beatty in your opinion.
The thing is though, you’re at the limit, and basically said those 26 players have to go for him to be considered BPA. I can pretty much promise that Tyson Jackson and Harvin will be rated higher by other teams, not the Colts. And then there are the “very possible” in Freeman, Beatty, Harvin, Michael Johnson, English and more than a few others being taken before 27.
What’s my point? For Nicks to be in the conversation for BPA at 27, there’d pretty much have to be a perfect storm in terms of drafting. I’m almost positive that most of the players listed initially would be BPA over him, and several of them would BPA for the Colts. They only project 4 skill position (5 if you count Pettigrew) and 2 QBs going above 27. So that means if any other skill position drops, defensive players and O-lineman are the ones most likely to drop. And aside from DE, I could either say those positions are as great a need, or more of a need than WR. And according to your hypothetical of 4 DTs being taken, that means you have 4 DTs, 5 LBs, and 5 O-line going. That’s 14 of the 26 players going before us being in positions I consider a much stronger need than WR. Granted, I’m not saying all the LBs fit our system, but the LBs (aside from Laurinaitis who actually does fit our system) will almost certainly be taken pretty high. And hey, if not, I’ll take Matthews and his 4.57 over Nicks.
And what’s your perceived dropoff by position? On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being low dropoff and 10 being from an elite prospect to crap. Mine would be (and this is just how I’d rank them in my opinion, you don’t have to, nor do I think you’ll agree. I’ll go from the list of 26 players and list them at that position and a couple dudes I’d think would stand a good chance to go next);
1. QB – Stafford, Sanchez (Freeman, White) – Dropoff 3 (even though I think White could be the best of the bunch)
2. OL – J. Smith, Oher, Monroe, A. Smith, Britton (Beatty, Loadholt) – Dropoff 7 (I could interchange Beatty with Britton, but past that the Oline take a serious downturn)
3. OG – Robinson (Levitre, H. Johnson) – Dropoff 8 (Really the only first round guard in the draft. Huge dropoff past him)
4. C – Mack, Unger (Luigis, E. Wood) – Dropoff 6 (It’d be higher if it were just Mack)
5. RB – Moreno, Wells (D. Brown, McCoy) – Dropoff 4 (Any one of those dudes could be the best of the bunch)
6. LB – Curry, Maualuga, Laurinaitis, Cushing, Matthews (Sintim, Beckwith, Ellerbe) – Dropoff 9 (Huge dropoff in LBs. Goes from 1st round to 3rd round at best)
7. DT – Raji, Hood, Jerry, Gilbert (Marks, Brace, Moala) – Dropoff 8 (Although the first four aren’t perfect, they don’t have some of the glaring problems that the 2nd “tier” DTs do. I’d probably wait until the 3rd if that’s what we had to go with)
8a. I know I’m skipping a couple positions, but I don’t see us taking a DE, kicker etc so whatever. WR – Crabtree, Maclin, Britt (Nicks, HWB, Robiskie, Harvin) Dropoff 6 (Not too huge, definitely a step down from Crabtree and Maclin though)
8b. WR with Nicks in the 1st – Crabtree, Maclin, Britt, Nicks (Harvin, Robiskie, HWB) Dropoff 3 (I couldn’t even tell you straight up that Nicks is better than Robiskie. Not to mention I think Harvin’s right up there with Crabtree and Maclin)
That’s my point. A perfect storm would have to happen. That’d only come about if the 23, or however many from trades, got together and said “Let’s totally make it so the Colts have to take Nicks.” Yeah, it’s POSSIBLE, but the chances of it happening are slim to none. And not to mention, even if that did happen, I still think Harvin, Brown, Beatty, and Robinson would all be better choices.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I think and hope Nicks won't be the BPA
for the on-topic half of the thread I was trying to construct a scenario where KR would admit Nicks was the clear BPA for the Colts and should be the pick.
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by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
You know that wont happen
Not really worth trying.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
So?
He’s not fumbling, who gives a crap. He carried the ball 698 times and fumbled 5 times. If he had a fumbling problem, he’d have way more than that.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I'd take Nicks over Brown.
I’ll have to take a closer look at your big list there monstersbox before I can rank who I think has an actual prayer of getting there. If the DTs listed are gone, I take Jennings/Andre Brown in the second without hesitation. Our MVPA at LB, DT, OT at that point are likely going to be found 3rd and beyond.
In fact, I'd be..
WAAAY more disappointed in a 1st Round RB than a 1st Round WR. That said, if we pick a RB in the First Round. Watch out, there’s a reason and he’ll be pretty frickin’ good.
Good like what? Edge good or Addai good?
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is "Addai good" bad?
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by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he was a first round pick so that means he has to be the best player ever right? Polian is perfect when it comes to drafting people. I thought that was common knowledge…
/sarcasm
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"Average" Addai, the not so much liked guy
and I dont know why
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 1, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
just to KR and MRW
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
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by shake n bake on Apr 1, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok, little Mel Kipers. I think every on should read this.....................
http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Mel_Kiper%2C_Jr.
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
Remember this guy
Thats what I’m looking for in a Slot WR. The Colts had weapons upon weapons. Pollard, Clark, Wayne, Stokley, and Harrison. Now it should be Tamme/Santi, Clark, Harvin, Gonzo, and Wayne. I like offense!
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
I guess...
But you’re assuming that Harvin will be more productive in the slot than Nicks would be on the outside. I’m not so convinced of that just yet. Harvin is to WR what Tim Jennings is to CB. That doesn’t mean that Harvin will be as worthless as a WR as Tim Jennings. Far from it. But that is how I look at it on a risk/reward level.
Bed time
Nice minutes tonight guys. Draft arguement continues a 10:00pm tomorrow night. Bring your torches and pitch forks because in the words of Peyton Manning “Its on like Donkey Kong”
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
Drafting a WR is dumb
We have 2 1st round pics and two guys waiting that we drafted. Additionally, the BPA at that spot might be a guy like Duke Robinson or Moreno. KR is right that there is something to it more than just BPA. Usually with the top 50 or so guys the talent level is pretty even so its a combination of BPA and need put together.
As for your Oline “theory” Shake let me just say its garbage. Watch the tape; Addai has no burst and he doesn’t make anyone mess. What is your obsession with him? You realize the Colts will NOT resign him and that he will probably be cut. In my opinion Oline, RB, DT and LB are much higher draft needs and will have more talent at them at pick #27.
so why was he productive for his first 1/2 seasons?
and I’d be happy to place a bet on Addai not being cut (either playing out his rookie contract and/or getting an extension).
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Again...
He got HURT and has never recovered from it. I also think he is now afraid to get hit. It shows in how he runs.
Put down your stat sheets and realize this is NOT Baseball… this is Football. Watch the film.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
he missed one game in 2007
when he came back he had 2 100 total yard games and his 2nd and most recent 200 total yard games.
I watch the games, but I understand that the eyes and the memory can deceive so I include an objective record of events into my opinions.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Again...
It was after the Pats game… since then he has played in 26 game with only ONE game of 100 yards or more. That. Is. TERRIBLE.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
And Edge
Was at like 25 games if you use the same logic. Poor argument. And I’m actually not on shake’s side on this one, but that’s still a terrible argument.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Incorrect
Edge has several games after he blow out his ACL but even he came back faster than Addai has. The guy has been hurt for TWO years now.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
and over those 26 games the OL has been racked with injuries
I’m saying the OL injuries caused the lack of production. I supported this my showing a dramatic difference in missed starts. OL injuries explained the previous production and the later dropoff.
The anti Addai arguments are that he sucks. Which doesn’t explain why he was productive early in his career.
Or that he had an injury that irrevocably broke him as a runner, but didn’t cause him to miss any time (he carried the ball over 20 times in the two games after the NE game).
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Gosh do you listen?
RB’s wear out fast in this league and Addai’s time has come. Its time to look elsewhere.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you Joseph Addai's personal trainer?
Addai is entering his fourth season, i’m positive he’s training hard for the upcoming season. He’s playing for a big contract. He hasn’t made his money yet in this league.
http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3
by torontocoltsfan on Apr 2, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I just find it funny that all of the Addai apologists are basically calling Addai shit without realizing it. Shake’s argument is that the o-line sucked because of injuries and a bunch of rookies playing. And the only time Addai ever produced was when that stud line was healthy. So really, what shake is saying is that Addai blows and any Joe Schmoe could be productive with a stud o-line. So my question is, why defend Addai if it doesn’t really matter who the running back is as long as the o-line is great? How can you sit there and defend Addai and praise him for his “skills” when his skills amount to dick if he doesn’t have a good o-line to run behind?
This is where I disagree and firmly believe that a GREAT running back can still produce despite some a mediocre o-line blocking for him.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
right
because the amount of injuries the Colts line has had over the last 1 1/2 years is totally normal.
I guess everyone that blamed the line for Peyton’s slow start is saying he’s shit too.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
They were drafted
They were drafted Olinemen its not like they were undrafted scrubs. Besides can Addai only run with starters? Lose of Oline hurts PASS blocking much more than RUN blocking. Any coach will tell you that.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Careful Shake...
God forbid anyone say a bad word about Manning on this board…he is GOD!! He can do no wrong!! OOOOOHHHHHH AAAAAAAAHHHHHH bow down.
Just kidding…I think Addai will have a very productive year this season!!
Totally Wrong
Nobody feared Addai this year. He was facing nickel defenses on First down and yet still gained nothing whereas guys like Forte faced 9 guys in the box and still performed better.
Again look at the tape.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point that it's not baseball
MRW, it’s the ultimate team sport. For a dinged RB with a decimated OL manned by rookies, well, getting hit 2 yards deep in the backfield is also on the film from 2008. A lot.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Ok, bed time can wait
Joe Addai did go to a pro bowl. He has been crappy the past two year partly because of (A. in 2007 Addai did not have a back up like in 2006 and was out of gas in the middle of the seaon,(B in 2008 he was injured and had a crappy O-line……………..
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 2, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed, esp on the injuries
to both Addai and the OL (and with Manning being less effective).
If Addai is lame in a year when the OL is solid, he is healthy, and Manning is playing like he did thatlast 8 games of 08, THEN we’ll talk about his early departure.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
about 100 comments in about 4 hours
nothing more to add other than… wow.
Won’t we all be surprised when they take a punter. Or even better, a guy who JUST holds for the Kicker…. but damn, does he do it well. And Av goes on a 99/99 jag over the next three years.
All hail Polian!
Shake, with Hunter Smith gone, Addai is probably also our emergency QB, no?
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
WildTiger!
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The thing with Addai
Is people don’t want to accept that he is not that good. He was good for basically a year and is not an every down back. He is too fragile and doesn’t run with much power nor does he have elite speed.
So therefore...
Considering that…
A. Addai has been hurt for two years.
B. Has been ineffective
C. Only has one more year on his contract (and he counts quite a bit against the cap next year)
D. We don’t have any real backups at RB
E. RB’s generally only last 3-5 years in the NFL
Doesn’t it make sense to start looking for another RB before we draft our THIRD 1st round WR?
Just saying.
where are you getting your contract info?
Colts cap has Addai under contract for 2 more years, at 1.7mil and 2.3 mil. Rotoworld has the same numbers.
Or should I “Look at the tape” instead of my dirty no good stats.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no tape
With contracts… just so you know.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
He is under contract this year and next year. Counting 2.3 mil against the cap is quite a lot especially for someone who averages 3.5 YPC.
it's not a lot for a guy that 4.5 YPC and makes a Pro Bowl
if the line isn’t among the most injured in the league.
2.3 million is 500K less than they’ll pay the kicker in 2010.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
Again Addai was running against NICKEL defense on First down and still sucked balls. Polian even called him out on his crap play in the playoff game.
When will you realize RB is a MUCH bigger need than WR? We have two really good WR’s and one great TE. We also have further draft picks at TE and WR. At running back… we have a constantly hurt starter and a 6th round pick coming back from a torn ACL yet in your mind WR is a bigger need. Unreal.
I'm not talking about needs
I’m saying that if a WR who is in my mind, separate of team needs, a better player than a RB (or any other player available) then I would take that player if it was up to me.
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Again...
the top 50 players are all about even in terms of talent lvl (some exceptions obviously) but I think its better to get a top ranked Olinemen (in Robinson) then it is to get a 4th or 5th rated WR.
so the OL was a problem?
why would they draft an O lineman? They can’t help the running game. Just throw some drafted rookies in and the running game won’t skip a beat.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Because...
A. You can never have enough good Olinemen
B. Robinson is awesome and is very high valued player that could contribute for 7 or more years
C. Improving Oline starters and depth helps the entire offense.
So if a really good...
So if a really good QB fell to the Colts you would take him even though there were good RB’s and DT’s out there? You’d take him because you thought he was a better “talent?” You see its a comdination of needs and talent that is what you dont understand.
the only needs requirement in my mind is that the guy would contribute
I think a Nicks or Harvin would contribute significantly just like Gonzalez did, even while Marvin was healthy (and on a separate point, Marvin despite a great health record suddenly wasn’t healthy and another talented WR was truly deeply needed).
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Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
So Manning...
Can’t throw to Clark (1st round), Santi (5th round), Tamme (3rd round), Hall (5th round), Garcon (6th round), Wayne (1st round) or Gonzo (1st round)? He needs at least 5 fully functioning draft choices to be effective?
Lets improve what matters before we give Manning another “toy.”
So why did Kenton Keith's YPC drop by half a yard after the Patriots game
was Addai’s injury contagious?
4.56 YPC over the first 8 games, 4.06 over the last 8.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KeitKe00_games.htm
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Keith wasn't...
Keith wasn’t getting the ball. And yet again you fail to answer my question I asked above.
lol patience MRW
this argument is slowing the updates. I already submitted an answer.
76 carries in the first 8, 45 in the second. Shouldn’t less carries make it easier to gain YPC, since he’d be fresher for the carries and the D wouldn’t be as use to facing him?
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Some RB's...
Are better starting than filling in and I say thats true for Keith.
Also remember Addai did have Ugoh, Diem, Pollack (a 2nd round draft pick guard) and Saturday for many games including the San Diego playoff game. Yet he still royally sucked in that game as well as in many others. Again Polian even called him out.
Pollak didn't play the SD game
http://www.nfl.com/players/mikepollak/gamelogs?id=POL205447
and Diem was awful all year. I’m sure you saw that on the tape.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Just tell me one thing shake, is it the o-line or the running back? Who is more responsible for producing in the running game?
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
it's a combination
but when the running backs stays the same and the O linemen change, I feel comfortable saying it’s the O linemen that are what is causing the difference in outcome.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
So what you are saying, which is the excuse you’ve been using all along, is that the o-line is more responsible, and more important in the production of the running game than the actual RB is. Because otherwise, you wouldn’t have tried using Dom’s stats as proof that it was indeed all the o-lines fault and not just the lack of talent at the RB position.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
in the Colts situation, yes I blame the OL
because when the RB stayed the same (Addai and Keith in 2007, and I guess I could use Dom 06 vs 08 but that’s not really fair since it would include 2 years of aging one spent in soul-sucking Oakland) and the OL’s health declined, the running game’s production declined.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
I'd really like Jennings in the 2nd or Andre Brown in the 3rd
but to replace Dom not Addai.
Eben Britton is #4 in my guys that could actually fall to Indy tier.
I’m not against any position (except QB early because that player wouldn’t be able to get onto the field like you need from an early pick).
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
I swear...
What is your OBSESSION with Addai? RB’s wear out fast and Addai is worn out. We need to find a backup for him and someone to replace him.
You are way too nostalgic about players. Good thing you aren’t a real GM!
You are way to eager to give players the ax
and I’m obsessed with Addai?
KR is the one that brought the Addai debate up in this thread
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/4/1/818715/hakeem-nicks-works-out-for-colts#13618971
In the last thread when we counted up the people arguing for Addai and against Addai who had significantly more people?
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/3/26/811025/dominic-rhodes-could-possi#13417800
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Who cares?
You take some snap poll and I am supposed to be impressed? People are nostalgic about players. They think of Addai two years ago not as he is now. We need RB’s to both back him up and replace him.
how about a front paged poll right now with directions to this thread for help deciding?
it’s up now.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
what was wrong with the poll?
explain why the blog community shouldn’t have an easy way to express their opinion and I won’t repost it in the morning.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
Did you really just remove the poll?
I would have been genuinely interested in seeing how the fans feel on this issue. It is insightful and helps me to know what material I should focus my energies on on my player comparisons (for an example). shrugs Oh well.
don't worry I reposted and e-mailed BBS to tell me to drop it or MRW to leave the poll
whichever he feels is appropriate.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
wow
this thread definitely proves one thing: us Colts fans are pretty passionate
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