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Jason Phillips v. Jasper Brinkley - YOU DECIDE 2009

Some will argue that we have so many LBs on the roster already who are competing for depth that it makes little sense to invest in more project players at the position with late round draft selections.  However, there may well be a few gems in this draft class who we can get late, and who may be too good to pass up.  Earlier, I compared Jason Williams of Western Illinois and Zack Follett of California, who will likely come off the board in the 3rd/4th Round.  Now, I invite you to take a close look at Jason Phillips of TCU and Jasper Brinkley of South Carolina.  If one of these players should drop to the Colts in the 4th or 5th Rounds, and we can have only one, who would you draft?

Jason Phillips - TCU

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6'1", 239 lbs.
4.60 40 Yard Dash, 4.32 20 Yard Shuttle
34 Inch Vertical Jump, 20 Bench Reps

SENIOR SEASON STATS:
83 Tackles, 27 Assists, 13 TFL, 3.5 Sacks

INJURIES:
2009 - Suffered a torn meniscus while working out at the Combine, out 6-8 Weeks.

ANALYSIS:

NFLDraftScout.com

Strengths: Has the size to play inside, probably in a 3-4 scheme, and should continue to gain mass and develop in the upper body.  Avoids blocks from guards in trash to reach the ballcarrier, but is also physical enough to punch linemen and maintain his gap.  Very tough and won't back down from anyone.  Aggressive, instinctual player with the straight-line speed to attack plays behind the line of scrimmage.  Adequate drop and good awareness in coverage, reads the eyes of the quarterback and anticipates receivers' routes well.  Secure tackler, has the length to wrap up and strength to bring the man down.  Was a long snapper in high school.

Unfortunately, there's not a ton available on Jason Phillips.  To me, he screams "sleeper" if that is the case.  However, any team that has done their homework, I believe, will know that Phillips is a player.  He does well in coverage, can drop back, reads the quarterback well and knows where potential receivers are on the field.  He is a hard hitter who does an excellent job of keeping his pad level low when he hits the ball carrier; which not only allows him to stop them in their tracks and potentially drive them backward, it also increases the likelihood of creating turnovers by spearing the ball carriers in their chest.  He is fast for his size and projects well as a potential Mike in the Colts system.  Based on his vision, discipline, good angles, and effectiveness both against the pass and the run I could see him drawing comparisons to Gary Brackett.

Weaknesses: Mostly a grab-and-drag tackler.  Better when the play is in front of him, as he lacks great lateral movement and struggles to change direction in space.  He often reads the play correctly but is a step slow to break down or react against faster players, leading to lunging and shoestring tackles that won't be made at the next level.  Can be effective as a blitzer, but is not explosive and will whiff.  His aggressiveness sometimes causes him to leave his gap responsibility, and he does not have the quickness to recover.

Phillips is not a player who will excel as a result of his astounding athletic ability.  He is a bit stiff, not agile, and relies on his instincts and football IQ to read and identify plays.  Once Phillips has identified a play he'll hustle to break the play up or stop it short.  Without some work on his agility he could be susceptible to speedy rushers, the likes of a Darren Sproles or Adrian Peterson.  That said, I'm not sure of many LBs who are overly effective against runners like these in the NFL, particularly ones who carry even more size than Phillips does.  Still, it is something to be aware of when evaluating Phillips.

ANOTHER SCOUTING REPORT - UniversalDraft.com

Jasper Brinkley - South Carolina

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2008 Highlights v. LSU (HD)
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6'2", 252 lbs.
4.67 40 Yard Dash, 4.32 20 Yard Shuttle, 7.03 3-Cone Drill
35.5 Inch Vertical Jump, 26 Bench Reps

SENIOR SEASON STATS:
65 Tackles, 23 Assists, 5 TFL, 2.5 Sacks, 2 FF, 1 INT

INJURIES:
2007 - Missed all but 4 games with a torn ACL.  Affected him in 2008.

ANALYSIS:

NFLDraftScout.com, TFYDraft.com

Strengths: Prototype size and strength for the inside linebacker position.  Immediate impact defender for South Carolina after transferring from Georgia Military College, and improved gradually.  Shows some burst as pass rusher on the blitz.  Good short-area quickness to elude blockers.  Reliable open-field tackler and can be a punisher inside.  Intimidating presence whose size and power project nicely as a 3-4 inside linebacker.

Tough, run defending inside linebacker who projects as a two down defender. Plays disciplined football, stacks well against the run and wraps up tackling. Stout at the point, holds his ground against blocks and effectively uses his hands to protect himself. Forceful up the field and plays with authority.

Jasper Brinkley is a large LB for Colts standards.  He'd compare to an Adam Seward in size.  He is strong, can meet blockers head-on and, as long as he keeps his pad level low, can stop them in their tracks or pushes them back.  No ball carrier would look forward to meeting Brinkley head-on, they would lose, big-time.  He has the straight line speed and burst to close quickly and can shoot gaps to rush the passer if he is asked. 

Weaknesses: Relies on his physical attributes and is still developing his instincts and technique.  Too often looks to slip blocks instead of using his size advantage.  Struggles with his hand placement and is slow to disengage.  Can be fooled by misdirection and lacks the explosiveness to recover.  Lacks the instincts and foot speed to be a factor in coverage.  Missed all but four games of the 2007 season after tearing his ACL.  Underwent surgery September 2007 and wasn't the same player in 2008, when his athleticism was nowhere close to what it was pre-injury.

Marginal skills in coverage and does more chasing opponents down the field rather than defending the pass. Lacks the quick change direction and plays with just average speed.

Brinkley was a JC transfer to South Carolina and has not had a great deal of time to be trained to compete against higher levels of competition because he lost almost all of his junior year when he tore his ACL in the 4th game of the season.  Brinkley did have the opportunity to play and excelled in 2006, but then had a year gap in his development and came back for his senior season in 2008.  What is clear on tape is that his lateral movement was hampered as a senior, his ability to shed blocks was marginal at best, and his lack of agility (could be affected by the knee injury) makes it difficult for him to recover against more agile ball carriers.  His value is limited, to a degree, because he's not an excellent pass defender and may need to be pulled out on passing downs or risk being a liability right in the middle of the zone coverage scheme the Colts utilize.

ANOTHER SCOUTING REPORT - UniversalDraft.com
AND ANOTHER - FFToolbox.com

Comparison:

Jason Phillips was an important part of TCU's smothering defense in 2008.  He has the ability to rush the passer, the vision to break up plays and stuff runners in their lanes, and the ability to drop into passing lanes and read quarterbacks to make plays on the ball.  Phillips is not overly agile and appears stiff but does a good job of using his leverage when he hits ball carriers to stop them in their tracks.  Jasper Brinkley is a big man, a very large LB for Colts standards who could have a high upside.  There is no doubt that Brinkley is a project player at this point, unless his recovery from the 2007 ACL injury has made him appear slower, less agile, and less explosive than he really is.  That said, meeting Brinkley head on is not a good idea for any offensive player, especially if he keeps his pad level low to take advantage of his brute strength.  However, until he learns how to adequately use his hands to shed blockers and engage them at the point of attack consistently, he'll struggle to be effective (unless of course the blockers are tied up by the front four). 

Is Jason Phillips too much of a question mark because of his injury to select in the draft?  Can Jasper Brinkley fully recover from his 2007 ACL tear, and if he does, will he be able to improve his agility and lateral movement to be effective in the NFL?

YOU DECIDE

 

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In Round 4 or 5, select Phillips or Brinkley?
Jason Phillips
126 votes
Jasper Brinkley
36 votes

162 votes | Poll has closed

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This is a tough one

And that’s why I wanted you to do it. Brinkley was projecting to be one of the top 3 overall LBs in the draft until his ACL injury. I actually think he’s close to fully recovered from his ACL. Before the combine, I said he would need to drop weight to be a good prospect. At the time he was close to 275. Then he showed up at the combine at right around 250 and was in the top 10 in every category for the LBs. I actually think they’re a little off on his coverage ability. When he was playing for SC he was playing the MIKE position in…a Tampa 2. They switched to a 4-2-5 when Brinkley went down. When Brinkley came back, they were using their T2 again. And he had 2 interceptions in 4 games in 2007. And one of them was against Stafford, that has to count for something.

Phillips is also one of the guys I really dig. He was part of the #1 defense in the nation, and it wasn’t even close, and he was the equivalent of Rey Lewis to that TCU defense. He’s a tough, mean looking dude that leaves everything on the field. And I’m actually happy his meniscus was fixed. He’ll be ready by training camp.

The way I see it, both Brinkley and Phillips would eventually take over for Brackett. The difference is, while getting playing time before the switch, Brinkley would probably be best suited at SAM and Phillips would be best suited at WILL. A Phillips Brackett Brinkley lineup could potentially be insane. Not to mention, Phillips and Brinkley would be the fastest LBs behind Hagler. In two years, our LBs could look like Hagler at WILL Phillips at MIKE and Brinkley at SAM. That’d be the fastest, biggest lineup in years for the Colts. And all of them have zone coverage experience.

And yeah, it’s prospects and they could end up just being busts. But these guys only went down on draft boards because of injury. Phillips was moving up just like Hood was, and I was thinking he might be gone before our second round pick. Brinkley was projecting to be around the 3rd LB taken before his ACL. I believe Brinkley showed at the combine that he’s almost back to 100%. He actually showed up at his pro day at 249.

“South Carolina proday: Players worked out indoors on FieldTurf in front of representatives from 25 NFL teams. LB Jasper Brinkley (6-1 5/8, 249) looked very quick and fluid in all positional drills. Brinkley ran a 4.39 short shuttle, a 6.92 three-cone drill and stood on the rest of his numbers from the combine. – Gil Brandt, NFL.com "

If Gil Brandt says someone looks very quick and fluid, I’ll take that above any scouting report. And a 6.92 three cone drill is SICK. The agility a 250 lb dude has to have to put down a sub 7 second 3 cone is pretty impressive. The only way you say “lacks quick change of direction” is if you say the same thing about Clay Matthews and Cushing. Those are the only two LBs who have faster 3 cones than him (6.90 and 6.87 respectively).

I kind of don’t want to vote for either since I think we should use both our 4th round picks on them. I’m going to vote for Brinkley though to give him some love. To tell you the truth, if I had known about how much Brinkley was progressing, I might’ve been talking about him in the 3rd. As of now, I’m not sure Brinkley makes it much past the bottom of the 3rd. He’s starting to seriously impress.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 10, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Monstersbox, you know better than this:

And a 6.92 three cone drill is SICK. The agility a 250 lb dude has to have to put down a sub 7 second 3 cone is pretty impressive. The only way you say "lacks quick change of direction" is if you say the same thing about Clay Matthews and Cushing. Those are the only two LBs who have faster 3 cones than him (6.90 and 6.87 respectively).

I don’t care what someone does on a stop watch in shorts, I was watching his game tape. We’re comparing apples to oranges in our assessments.

That said, if he has improved a lot and fully recovered from the knee injury… he’s be a very difficult guy to pass up, particularly if he’s a ball-hawk.

by bamock on Apr 10, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

But a guy looking slower on tape because he’s 275 lbs because he hasn’t really been able to workout and not having faith in his knee holding up and a 249 lb dude putting up a 6.92 3 cone time shows me that, if he’s not 100%, that he’s very close to it. And if he’s doing that and he’s not 100%, that’s just ridiculous.

The reason I used that number, and actually I think the 3 cone drill is one of the few drills that actually translates well because it shows burst, change of direction, and balance, is because I’m saying he was considered a 1st round LB, but people were questioning if, and how well he was going to recover from his ACL. And I believe that 6.92, which was down from his 7.03 combine time is showing that he’s not only recovered well enough to do the drills, but he’s actually improving. And the footage of him being “slow” and poor in coverage stems from him not being nearly close to 100%.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 10, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Nods*

And if that is the case, I would be very excited about Brinkley. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find any tape from ‘06 or the first four games of ’07 to have any comparison to all the footage from ’08. Maybe you’ve seen him play when healthy and know how dominating he was on the field based on seeing him play on tape. Or maybe you’re simply relying on the 3-cone time as an indication that he’s healing and getting close to 100% now, and using his reputation prior to the knee injury as the basis for your judgment. Either way, I think he’s a prospect worth considering for sure, and if he is as dominant as some have suggested and has fully recovered, I hope we go for it.

by bamock on Apr 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really couldn't

I was in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2006. Hard enough to watch NFL games. But I did hear he was a beast before the injury.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 10, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brinkley

I like Brinkley. But then I am partial to larger type LB’s. This guy looks like an excellent backup at Mike or Sam until he takes over for whoever the Colts decide to release in the next year or two. Bamrocks observation on the 3 cone has merit as far as I am concerned.

by tim55 on Apr 10, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I flipped a coin and Phillips won.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 10, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Objectively

As a South Carolina fan and having to watch the pain that is the South Carolina offense, I became obsessed with how my defense performed. Jasper Brinkley before he was injured was the best linebacker in the college ranks in my opinion. People recover from injuries. If we some how miraculously manage to draft him in the 4th round with either pick then its a freaking steal.

Quick note to get you thinking—Brinkley played phenomenally for the South Carolina special teams under then special teams coach Ray Rychleski now the Colts special teams coach. Food for thought

Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?

by skywalker on Apr 10, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

For the insight. If you’ve watched Brinkley play first-hand and know that when he’s healthy he’s a beast of a LB and consistent ST player, I am pulling for a Brinkley pick in the 4th Round if he’s available. I’d also like Phillips. That would be a tough, big, strong, fast group of LBs for the future. Brinkley, Phillips, Wheeler SICK.

by bamock on Apr 10, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

That was actually how I was trying to get people interested in both him, and the 4-2-5. I mean, Rychleski got to see the guy everyday, Coyer seems to want bigger LBs. Pretty sure they’ve at least talked about him.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 10, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can say from limited observation

that SC O was awful, and the D was good (but not good enough to hold up against Shonn Greene when the SC offense kept handing the ball right back to Greene. We’ve all seen a tired D vs a powerback plenty, I’m sure everyone can picture it.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 10, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Found This

NEW JASPER BRINKLEY VIDEO

The kid can hit. He looks faster on this film, wondering if some is from ‘06-’07

by bamock on Apr 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsy4gU40Ss

Here’s him saying “You cocky bastard, bring it” to Tebow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bipvpIfNgJo&feature=related

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 10, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

awsome

kept replaying it over and over

by ColtsFanNChiTown on Apr 10, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

awwww

i was hoping for a sound bite :(

Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?

by skywalker on Apr 13, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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