Regarding Colts management...
I am a Colts fan don't get me wrong, but hasn't the colts defense been quite lack-there-of? We've had sub-par rush defense for nearly 4 years now. But what's been done about it?
I'll start off by saying that our DTs and OLBs are by far the smallest in the league for goin on the second year in a row. What have we done to fix this? Nothing. In last years draft we wasted our picks. (apologies to the picks) All of our picks, with the exception of our 2nd were all in our strongest positions... 3 Centers, 2 TE, a WR, a DE, and a RB. The only reasonable pick, in my opinion, was the second pick at LB. For their first pick this year there is talks of picking up a first round QB... Everyone knows that all the elite QBs will be in next years draft. Not to mention that we still have a healthy Peyton Manning for hopefully another 4 good years.
Management should aim for these players in this order: (again this is my opinion)
- Aaron Curry, ILB, Wake Forest
- Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
- B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
- Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
- Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
- Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
- Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
- Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
- James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
- Ron Brace, NT, Boston College
I realize these players are the elite player in the 2009 draft but not all of which will be gone by the 27th pick. I say pick in this order because the players on my list will probably be taken up to the No. 5 spot. I hope management is focusing primarily on the draft because they are doing a horrible job at filling in holes on the roster. The Colts release WR Marvin Harrison to "open up salary cap space." Well, What are you using it on? You haven't picked up a player on the free agency in two years, And you kept letting our decent players go; David Thornton, Mike Peterson, Marcus Washington, Cato June, the list goes on. It seems like when there is a solid defense present they get the boot the next year. Granted Peterson and Washington were many years ago.
I guess my point of all of this is Management. If there isn't a total defensive draft by the Colts I will question the Colts' Management's capacity to put together another super bowl caliber team.
"Offense Wins Games, Defense Wins Championships."
-Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant Jr.
- Michael Smith
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wow.....
how many 12 win seasons, playoff runs, and division titles do you have to win……. no doubt theres always room for improvement, but EVERY team in the league has its weaknesses. If Polian selects someone unexpected in the first round (which is usually the case) ill be disapointed, but reserved to the fact that he knows WAY more than i do about football.
by MARVININDY on Apr 15, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We should have won more championships. It’s naive to say otherwise. Sucks to say it, but it’s true.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silliness
Seriously, this is silly. When should we have “won” more championships?
2008- When all our DTs either quit, got hurt, or smoked their way off the team
2007- When both Freeney AND Mathis got hurt
2005- I can see your argument here, but it is not like Pittsburgh was some chump team
2004- Patriots cheated that year, and Rodney Harrison roided up prior to the playoff game over Indy
2003- Patriots cheated that year, and (AGAIN) Rodney Harrison roided up prior to the playoff game over Indy
So, when should Indy have won more championships?
Seriously people, considering circumstances, luck, and just the general “that’s the way things bounce” in this modern NFL, we should be happy we got even ONE ring. This whole “We should have more” mentality is just silly, especially when you look at the big picture.
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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 15, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big picture being what? That the Colts have been arguably the best and most consistent team throughout the regular season the past 6 years and only have 1 title? That kind of big picture? The only reason Ben Roflsburger has more rings than Peyton is because they have a consistently GREAT DEFENSE.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who
Who in your mind has been the most dominant team, or consistently in the top 2 since 2003?
2002 – We got embarassed and shut out by the Jets. Not the team to win.
2003 – Rodney Harrison isn’t the entire team, he also wasn’t Ty Law who had 3 INTs. Not the team to win, the Panthers probably would’ve beaten us with their rushing attack.
2004 – Turnovers killed us, not Rodney Harrison. 2 fumbles and an INT. We were embarassed again with 3 points. Pittsburgh and the Eagles may have beaten us.
2005 – Probably the best team we’ve had under Peyton. Completely dominating on both sides of the ball. Our offense goes 3 and out several times, our defense still almost pulls it off. Almost certain we would’ve beaten Denver and Seattle. If we played that game 9 more times, we’d win all 9.
2007 – Doesn’t matter if Freeney and Mathis got hurt, our defense wasn’t why we lost. The drops and tips were. And even at the end we were still in it, but we let Billy Volek seal the deal. The NE game would’ve been interesting. We’re the team that had the first amount of success against them and several teams used our gameplan to exploit them and came close. Good chance we beat them, but not a given.
2008 – Doesn’t matter what happened to our DTs at the beginning of the year, we were obviously the better team. We lost it from perfect passes being dropped and poor special teams. We would’ve played Pittsburgh, who we beat at Pittsburgh and then we would’ve had the Ravens at home, who we stomped. Pretty sure we beat Arizona.
Not saying they’re all a given, but even you have to admit we should’ve at least won in 2005 and we beat ourselves against the Chargers the past two seasons. When our offense didn’t dominate games, we got crushed except in 2006 when our defense pulled us through. In 2005 our defense almost pulled it off, and at least put us in a position to tie. And if you’re completely reliant on one side of the ball dominating, and when they don’t you lose, that’s a problem.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not the way I saw 2003-2004
2003- Receivers were mugged 30 yards downfield on almost every play. NFL later admitted they missed all of those PI calls
2004- NE kept the Colt offense on the sideline for nearly the entire game consuming drives of 7, 8, and 9 minute drives. Thats more than half a quarter per drive.
by metal_militia on Apr 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that what he was saying?
We should be able to count on the defense to get off the field in 04 and avoid all of those lengthy drives
In 03, once they realized how the game was playing out, Dungy and Moore should have made some changes offensively.
05 – that’s on Dungy in my book….basically 4 weeks off and ruined the rhythm that the team had worked so hard all year to maintain. Also, Nick Harper running straight at Big Ben after picking up that fumble was terrible. I think any other guy on the field would have scored there. Also, even the refs tried to give us that game and we still didnt take it.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 16, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Aces explained 2003 pretty well. And in 2004, yeah, I mean, that was pretty much the intent of my post.
“When our offense didn’t dominate games, we got crushed except in 2006 when our defense pulled us through.”
Our defense couldn’t get off the field, and when they finally would (normally at the end of a very long drive and points) our offense would get on the field and say “LET’S DO THIS!” and lost 2 fumbles and and interception. That’s pretty consistent with what I’ve been saying.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 16, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great quote. In fact, I’m going to quote a quote for truth.
“Offense Wins Games, Defense Wins Championships.”
-Coach Paul “Bear” Bryant Jr.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Useless quote
Especially in the modern NFL. Offense wins championships now. If defense won championships, Baltimore would have a ring in 2008. You must be able to throw the ball in this league in order to win, period.
Defense is important, but unlike the days of Paul Bryant, defense is now secondary to offense.
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by BigBlueShoe on Apr 15, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, you have to be able to do EVERYTHING right in order to win a championship. But year after year, we see that great defenses trump great offenses. Perfect example is the 2007 Super Bowl. The GREATEST OFFENSE in NFL history LOST the Super Bowl to a GREAT DEFENSE. Need I say more?
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My italics and bold buttons didn’t work right. You can still read it and get the point though.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure we could find plenty of situations where a great D lost to a great O
Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa.
Casey Stengel
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well duh? Upsets happen all the time, but as you can see from monsterbox’s comment about the past Super Bowl champs from 2000, they all had great defenses.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can go back way further than that
It pretty much holds true throughout. The Rams had the 4th overall defense in 99. Broncos were 9th in 98, 1st in 97.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeap
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one
Which one of these teams had a poor defense? Or aside from the Colts, had a better offense than defense period? Where the Colts defense actually pulled that off.
2000 – Ravens
2001 – Patriots
2002 – Bucs
2003 – Patriots
2004 – Patriots
2005 – Steelers
2006 – Colts
2007 – Giants
2008 – Steelers
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
all those teams looked like they had pretty sold defenses.
The Bear quote still works.
Defense if more important then breathing.
by BetterD on Apr 15, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said that exact same thing the last time this topic came up.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That list does make a point.
When you put it that way. But as shake says below, why have the Colts been given a bum rap for their defense by the fans? We have had good defenses, and we have also had years where extenuating circumstances (Like nearly every DT we have signed) have made us look bad. But our defenses have been pretty good over the past many years.
And defense is very important in winning. Balance is another good word. Video tape doesn’t hurt either, apparantly.
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 15, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but how about this….draft MORE THAN ONE DT so when one guy goes down it doesnt completely screw your season??
How many weeks did it take until they brought in Antonio Johnson? AND they never even made any gameplan changes in 07 when Freeney and Mathis went down. Blitzing once in a while could have worked.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 16, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
scoring D ranks
(year)-(champ rank)-(colts rank)
2008-1-7
2007-5-1
2006-23-23
2005-3-2
2004-2-19
2003-1-20
2002-1-7
Indy’s had a better defense than the NFL champs two of the 6 years they lost in the playoffs.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
Thanks for proving my point? That the Colts SHOULD have won at least 1 more championship? I think that’s what I’ve been saying.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
I didn’t know you were just doing scoring rank. That’s pretty silly to say a defense completely revolves around their scoring D.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's better than yards
yards don’t go on the scoreboard.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about how many they should of won
I’m saying that Indy’s defenses haven’t been holding them back
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
but I think for the most part, whenever Indy’s had one of the top scoring defenses in the league they’ve also been around the average in yards. This because of our “bend but don’t break” defensive approach. In the playoffs, teams have been better at capitalizing on those opportunities against us. JMO
Is it April 25th yet?
by Playoff Pride on Apr 15, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Baltimore’s defense wasn’t as statistically rated as high as Pittsburgh’s, so I have no idea what you are trying to say there…
by yellowsnow on Apr 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a problem in many professions.
One can look at the few who have done it better than they have seemingly, and thereby be discontent with their accomplishments. But many such people need to look at the slew of others who have failed altogether, or who aren’t even a shell of the success that the discontent one is. It’s all perspective.
In the NFL, we can look at the Patriots and their three rings and let that obscure our success if we choose to do so. Others could argue about their ethics in getting them, but that isn’t my point. Let’s just credit them with a remarkable decade. Out of thirty-two teams, only one is there. Even the Steelers, who boast one more ring than us, have been comparably successful over the last decade. We have done some things they have not, and they have netted an extra ring. The head and shoulders dominant team has been the Pats only, with three rings and two of those back to back.
Take them out, and we have a lot to be excited about. Our division titles and many records. Consecutive playoff appearances and twelve wins seasons. There are a lot of teams that haven’t sniffed the playoffs or any measure of success this past decade. In this salary cap era, we have done well.
I realize there are some fans who will say that it isn’t enough, who feel that their dissatisfaction somehow makes them a better fan. But no way. We all would love to hoist the Lombardi every year, but it isn’t realistic. And how does our disdain at our accomplishments help the team at all? We don’t play the game or handle the personnel decisions. The motivation for more is for the players and leadership who actually can do something about it, and I don’t doubt that they are plenty driven in this competitive league. Every team is, but only one wins it all each year.
I wonder if such fans are that motivated and discontent with their own life’s accomplishments, over which they have at least a measure more of control. It is still a sad thing to be depressed over those doing what we do in life seemingly better than we are doing it, rather than looking at those who aren’t even as blessed as we are. Perspective is important in every area of life. However, it only makes sense to focus any dissatisfaction towards things that we can control rather than what we can not.
I am very happy to be a Colts fan. I wish we’d win it all every year, and it usually takes me a while after a playoff loss to shake it off. I have a close friend who is a Pats fan, and he struggles with that as well. After we beat them in the AFCCG, he was so down you would’ve thought that they had never won three rings already. Apparantly it is never enough. If we had three rings, the same people would be upset over not having one more. Deny it, but I guarantee it. That is human nature, and it is what I deal with in life with my career. It’s never enough.
I think the management has been remarkable for our team, and I look forward to more good leadership this season as well. Go Colts!
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 15, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Colts had a top 2 scoring defense in the league in 2005 and 2007
and a top 8 in 2002 and 2008. The Colts have had great defenses.
I can’t believe Colts fans are buying into the stereotype that Indy’s teams have been all offense no D.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying the 2008 was a great defense, lol
they couldn’t get off the field. They may not have gave up a lot of points, but, they couldn’t stop the run and on third and long they were awful. The Colts defense, last year, did a better job of stopping Manning then the opposing offenses.
They have the a lot of the necessary personal for a great defense they just didn’t have a DT that could stand up at the point of attack.
Defense if more important then breathing.
by BetterD on Apr 15, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
That’s not what I’m saying at all. In fact, what I’m saying is that we SHOULD have won more because when our defense finally started coming together, we were finally a team that easily could have turned into a dynasty. But we didn’t. And that’s what this is about.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not arguing with you there
but with KR, the fanposter and others who are saying Indy’s defenses are why they didn’t win more than one title.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
The way our defense is designed is to play from ahead. So if we’re trying to catch up, and they’re not passing, no matter how good our defense is, it’s still going to be in a bad situation. I mean, I know why we’ve lost, but I also know that at the very least, we had the team to win in 2005. And we should have. I understand other seasons, but 2005 was probably the worst one. Even “3rd and 2” wasn’t as bad as that loss.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still feel sick thinking about the 2005 game.
You’re right, it is much worse than last season’s “3rd and 2”.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point
Sorry, guess I should’ve put why that’s relevant. It’s relevant because the T2 made sense when we had a dominating offense. If we don’t have a dominating offense, then we shouldn’t be using the T2 while Peyton’s just sitting on the sidelines watching them bleed the clock.
And that’s pretty much the exact same reason why Meeks is gone and Coyer’s in. So the FO is trying to fix it. You don’t fix something that’s not broken. If we had this defensive talent in 2004 and prior, we probably would’ve had a good shot at winning back then. But since we didn’t, anytime our offense didn’t click, we got rolled. So what happens? Either Peyton, or the calls to pass pass pass come in because we start falling behind, know they’re going to kill the clock, and know we HAVE to take the lead back or keep it close and force them to keep passing. It’s just the way the defense is designed. And that pretty much led to 3 and outs, interceptions, forcing the ball, putting our defense back on the field right away etc..
I mean, I could clearly tell that Peyton wasn’t comfortable pre 2005. You can watch the games back then and compare them to now. He’s much more calm because he trusts his defense. And his defense has been doing as much as they can without having DTs. Our defense is at the level it should be to allow a team that’s supposed to be an offensive juggernaut to be a championship team. The talent’s there, it has been for 3-4 years.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we agree
the FO has done what is should have, and Indy’s Ds haven’t sucked and the fanposter is wrong when he says we should question management if they don’t draft entirely defense?
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you realize there is a difference between sucking and having major flaws. There’s no question that the biggest problem on the Colts defense has stopping the run, year in and out. We aren’t trying to argue whether or not Indy’s past defenses have been good or bad. We’re trying to show a correlation between GREAT defenses and winning CHAMPIONSHIPS. Indy’s defense played GREAT for ONE post-season and carried the struggling offense in 2006, which is why they won that Super Bowl. The rest of the years was a combination of a stalling offense and a lackluster performance by the defense because of the stalling offense.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Indy has had GREAT defenses
better than the team that won the CHAMPIONSHIP in 2007 and 2005.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously it is all important.
The question to me isn’t what is more important, offense or defense. It’s more like, which players in the draft can help both sides of the all. Balance. A good offense will help the defense, and vice versa. I wonder who Poilian values highly that will slip to us each round.
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 15, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shake
Im not going to argue that the Colts have had good defenses, however KR is right about the Run D. Running the ball effectively against the Colts does 2 things: 1) it limits the amount of possessions our offense has to actually do something since it consumes a ton of time. 2) it tires out our defense from doing what they do best, and thats rushing the passer. Yards dont count on the scoreboard, but it can prevent the other team with the great offense to put up points. I wont be mad at management for passing up on a defensive player in the first round, but there is no question in my mind that we have to get this run D fixed if we want to win another title.
by metal_militia on Apr 15, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one thing I don't like about when "limiting possessions" argument
is that running the ball and bleeding the clock limits the team doing it’s possessions too. If the Colts offense on 20 drives is better than the opponents on 20 drives, then it will be better than the opponents on 15 drives when they get 15 drives.
Making Peyton Manning sit isn’t the advantage, it just frustrates us fans. The only advantages to it are wearing down the D and that a smaller number of possessions makes an upset more likely because of a small sample size, (which only really applies to significantly inferior opponents).
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's only part of it
Limiting possessions can take the offense out of sink. If the offense doesn’t have enough reps it may never get into a good rhythem, or it could take until the second half for the Offense to start clickingg like it’s supposed to.
More importantly if your limiting the Colts possessions then your forcing your game plan on them, that’s at least a moral victory. In the NFL any victory counts even moral ones.
Add the poor special teams play to the scenario, and your not only limiting the offenses possessions but you making the them start deep in their own territory.
Defense if more important then breathing.
by BetterD on Apr 15, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I can't have a D that shuts teams down (and because of the cap, it's not likely I can while having an elite O)
I’d take a D that makes teams drive methodically down the field every time than one that gives up the easy score because it’s trying to shut an O down without the talent do it consistently. Making an offense execute perfectly to score even if it lets them bleed time off the clock will keep them from scoring more than a clumsy attempt to squash every drive on the spot.
I’d concede a moral victory every drive to limit the actual victories which go up on the scoreboard.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great D is a D that shuts teams down
and you can have a great D it’s only a couple of players away, but, last years team was not a great D.
They may not have gave up many points but that’s only part of the picture, they need to be able to get off the field and they have to be able to get a stop when they need one. If you look at their time on the field and the yards they gave up, I bet those number weren’t in the top 8, but, those numbers are important into telling the whole story. Looking at one stat catagory does not tell the whole story.
“a D that makes teams drive methodically down the field every time” That sounds like a prevent defense and not a dominate or great defense. I would rather have a great defense, one that can get off the field and let the greatest QB of all time do his thing.
Why can’t they have a dominate D? IT should dominate, there are 4 pro bowlers and a DMVP on that squad.
If your a coach for an opposing team and you know you can’t match the colts offense point for point, then limiting PM’s touches seems like a pretty decent game plan. If you can keep him off the field and win the field position battle, you might even be able to get an extra possession, and even squeak out a win. So you make this game plan, and it works, you got a lead it’s late in the 4th, you’ve limited PM’s touches, all you got to do is hang on. Then the greatest QB of all time gets a chance to take the field, he does something spectacular and you lose the game.
You have forced the colts to your game plan,you had a chance to win, but, the greatest QB ever still figures out a way to get that win. Not a thing you could do that’s a moral victory, it is something to take to the film room and work off of, but it still sucks. Peyton handed out to many moral victories last year, for that defense to be considered great.
Defense if more important then breathing.
by BetterD on Apr 16, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
""a D that makes teams drive methodically down the field every time" That sounds like a prevent defense and not a dominate or great defense."
umm, no shit. Re-read the title of what I posted
if I can’t have a D that shuts teams down
“Why can’t they have a dominate D?”
(and because of the cap, it’s not likely I can while having an elite O)
It didn’t say they couldn’t I said it’d be difficult to build while keeping the offense elite and staying under the cap.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 16, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does the offense always have to be “elite?” We have PM, Dallas, Reggie, Gonzo and Saturday….fill in the rest and continue to work on the defensive shortcomings.
I dont think we need to put all the money on one side or the other. But obviously the lack of run defense has hurt this team in the past and hopefully they will take steps to eliminate that (drafting DT and LB) including hiring Coyer which was a start.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 16, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real reason
We win 12+ games every year, because Peyton refuse to loose and Will his team to a win often. Our 2 DEs who are as good as it gets for a tandem, help out on the defense side. The rest of the team are OK, but OK is not good enough for play-offs. here are my points
We don’t have a bruising RB who can get 1st downs and wear out the other defense, and keep the offense on the field.
We don’t have a DT or DTs who is/are consistently disruptive, or run hoarding, even the ones who quit or were let go.
Peyton, and our WR and TE although are great, but are under a lot of pressure to perform because they know that our “bend but not break” defense will be on the field much longer than them (offense). hence they make mistakes under pressure in play-offs when stakes are high.
Let’s be honest that our defensive/speacial team coaches are not like Mudd (the magician). When you have vanilla defense, it does not take a rocket science to figure out to double team DF, hold Mathis just a tad, and throw short passes. That’s what SD did last 2 years.
My point:
Bend but not Break defense can and does work, but only when you have a very good or great D-Line.
Addai is a decent RB but cannot be the workhorse like EJ was.
Can anybody look up how many play-offs losses we incurred in last 5-6 years when offense was on the field longer than the defense?
by DaColtsFan on Apr 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh
The same workhorse EJ that won us, er, zero titles.
Hmmm.
Everything would be fixed if we could just sign the greatest coaches and the greatest players and not have a salary cap and Peyton played for free and none of our receivers ever dropped a ball and the officials got everything right and I found a pot of gold under my seat.
In real life, you need skill and luck every season to compete, let alone win titles. We consistently put a great side out there – not a perfect one, but given the restrictions of a capped NFL, a sufficient one. If winning titles was as easy as everyone seems to think, well, the Lions would have just gone 16-0.
We’re in with a chance every season. That’s down to the systems and structures that management has put in place. Could it be better? Probably. Could it be worse? Well, 30 or so of the NFL teams who aren’t as consistently good as we are indicate it could be a LOT worse.
We’re spoiled. We need to appreciate how lucky we are to have such a competant front office.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 15, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
but we aren’t the only team that operates under a salary cap.
At the same time, we ARE the only team with Peyton Manning.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 16, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't understand
why people have a problem with saying that a team “should have” won. Of course it’s difficult to win consistently in the NFL (or any other professional sport for that matter), particularly in the salary cap era. Of course for every Super Bowl winner there’s 31 teams that didn’t make it. Of course regular season success is nice and far superior to not winning in the regular season. But great teams are and always have been measured by championships. This may strike some as unfair, but it makes perfect sense to me. So much in sports is subjective, but it’s very difficult to argue with winning it all. In the absence of a perfect measuring rod, championships pretty much equal ultimate success. How often do you hear fans of a Super Bowl champion saying, “Yeah, we won and all, but I still wish our special teams had played better”?
There are many variables in any game, and obviously the best team does not always win. But if you don’t win, does it really matter that you’re the best team? Do any of us look back at January’s debacle in San Diego and think, “It’s OK that we lost, because we were clearly the better team”? Of course not. We should have won. We should have won more than one SB during this run; we were the best team more than once.
Look at baseball: the Oakland A’s were clearly the dominant team in all of baseball for 4 or 5 years in the late ‘80s-early ’90s. But they only won one World Series. Had they won 3 or 4, they’d be talked about as one of the best teams of the last 50 years — right up there with several Yankee teams and the Big Red Machine. But they didn’t, and now they’re largely forgotten. The Atlanta Braves made the playoffs about 15 years in a row, but won only one WS. They are remembered as a team that was good but never quite good enough. Does this diminish their accomplishments? No. But are they talked about as one of the all-time great teams? No.
I love the Colts and have since they moved to Indy when I was a teenager. I suffered through some horrible teams, and am thrilled to root for a team as well run and successful as the Colts. We should all thank whatever we believe in that we are not fans of the Lions or even the Cardinals. But none of this changes the fact that the Colts unprecedented regular season run has left us with one title. If we want to avoid being the A’s or the Braves — the team that was very good but just couldn’t get it done when it really mattered — we need more titles. We’re very good. We have been for a while. But we could be great. We could be the Packers of the ‘60s, the Steelers of the ’70s, the 49ers of the ’80s, or the Cowboys of the ’90s. But we’re not, at least not yet. It’s not too late. We should have won more than one already. Two or three more in the next few years and this argument is moot.
Here’s hoping.
by ctnyc on Apr 15, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
Couldn’t have said it better myself, which is why I rec’ed it.
I do have one thing I have to nitpick. I don’t think you anyone can use the Cardinals as an anology to sucking anymore. Technically speaking, they’ve been one of the worst teams in the league the last 100 years, but they have just as many Super Bowl appearances as the mighty Colts have (in the Indy era). Granted, the Colts actually won their Super Bowl game, and were arguably the better team going into it in the first place, but that doesn’t change the fact that the CARDINALS have as many Super Bowl appearances as PEYTON MANNING. That’s disturbing.
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by KingRichard on Apr 15, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real reason cont..
I m just tired of Colts loosing to a inferior team (SD) twice in playoffs no matter how I try to justify it with salary cap, bad luck and them(SD) also being as good (cuz they were not) . I thought with SB experience in hand we may at least go deeper in the play-offs last 2 years. It just a pity that with arguably the best QB ever playing for us, we have to be content with one SB. May be I should just be content with regular season success and don’t expect much in the play-off, afterall it’s an idiocy to expect different results after doing the same thing over and over again. I guess it’s good to be a homer, shouldn’t it hurt less though?
by DaColtsFan on Apr 16, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two Words
The reason why we have lost to underdogs and played below our standard level of play in the playoffs can be summarized with two words.
Tony Dungy.
You all may disagree, but as much as I like him as a man, I don’t think he is a very good game plan oriented coach. He built the fundamentals to succeed, but in the playoffs everything gets thrown out of the window and it is all or nothing. We lost in 03, 04, 05 and 07 (IMO) because we were out gameplanned and didnt have a backup plan to rely on in case everything didnt go right.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 16, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, that is the third post you have knocked Tony that I have seen.
Does he then get credit for doing the opposite in ’06? We had a defense that was horrid all season and a team that no one thought stood a chance postseason. And we won it all. And the defense was key throughout that postseason.
If it is Dungy’s fault that the team plays well in the regular season then underperforms in the post, is it then his credit when they entered the playoffs looking poorly, then overachieved and won it all? Or is all the credit someone else’s, and all the blame his? We have as much as we have despite the guy, and less than we could because of him?
He was a great coach, and I am more impressed that the players he has coached called him their favorite coach more than I am by the fans who “like him as a man” but think poorly of him as a coach. Come to think of it, I think more of Polian’s and Irsay’s assessment of him as well.
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 16, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give him all of the credit for 06 and turning that thing around.
I am just a little discouraged that even though it happened before (resting guys at the end of the season; the rested players then come out rusty in the playoffs), this team continued to do the same thing in 07 and 08 and got beat both times.
Dungy was the coach and so unfortunately he has to answer to it as the head of the team.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing
This is going to be my final comment on the subject because I don’t want to give off the wrong impression like I am ingrateful or that I think the Colts could have done better with Wade Phillips or some bum as coach because that is simply not true.
But the players he has coached calling him their favorite coach, as it refers to Colts players, is biased because probably 90% of those players haven’t even played for another coach in the NFL and I would hope they liked Dungy more than their HS or College coach.
And as for Polian and Irsay, the only other coach they have to compare Dungy to in the new Colts era where there is an expectation of winning is Jim Mora and Polian hated Mora by the time it was all over so there is no competition there.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many of the players that expressed that
were former players, some who have left Indy and many from Tampa, as I understand. Bottom line, if we want to argue that the palyers are unqualified in their affection for him, and that Polian and Irsay are uneducated in good coaching to make an intelligent assssment, where does that leave your opinion and mine? These guys have been in and around the actual NFL, not just blogs, magazines and xbox games.
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just my opinion, not fact.
I just think the Colts haven’t accomplished as much as we would like them to have as fans. Basically the same thing almost every other team can say also. The difference is that almost every other team doesn’t have the talent that the Colts have, along with what some consider to be one of the great coaches in NFL history.
Agree to disagree.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
03, 04, 05 they lost to the champs
that’s has to be considered.
and really what’s the gameplan for getting pass pressure with Freeney out and both Mathis and Brock hobbled. That team wasn’t built to survive an injury to all 3 of it’s top pass rushers.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 16, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pats in 03 or 04 (I can’t remember) won the SB with Troy Brown playing DB. They always had significant injuries and still managed to win at least one SB like that.
Hell, Brady went down last year and they still won 11 games!! If Peyton went down, we would have won maybe 3-4 games if that. The argument that Peyton is better than Brady is true in my book, but he isn’t 7 games better or else we would have 6 straight SB wins. The point is that Bells made adjustments to fit the team he had and the strengths of the players on the field. He made adjustments that needed to be made instead of expecting the same results from players that had significantly less talent.
I don’t HATE Dungy, I just think he is a little overrated as a coach; specifically as it relates to the playoffs, pressure situations and the ability to call for even subtle wrinkles to a gameplan that can mean the difference between winning and losing.
We can all agree that the Colts were the best team in 05 and should have won it all. Pittsburgh was a wild card team that had to win its last 5 games to make the playoffs. They got lucky in taking out Carson Palmer in Cincy, but they ran a flea flicker type play to blow that game open when it was still close and they came out against us with pass first mentality when obviously our guys had been coached as if they wouldnt even attempt a pass in the game. Add to it that our players had only seen about 3 series of play in December and January leading up to that game and they just didn’t even stand a chance. The final score was close, but we were dominated almost the whole game and it sucked because it shouldnt have been like that.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They did have a bye in 07
and an extra week to prepare. No matter which team they were going to face, they had to know that they were struggling at the end of the year with getting pressure and Josh Thomas was not the answer.
I’m not a coach and I don’t want to pretend to be one, but they get paid millions of dollars to win, win in the playoffs and win even if they are down a player or two.
I’m sure that’s not the answer you wanted but Billy Volek should never be beating Peyton Manning in a playoff game and that’s the bottom line. At the same time, it should also be noted that no one mistakes Norv Turner for a great coach but his team is 3-2 in the past two playoff runs and Tony D’s teams are 0-2.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry everyone but I agree
I have been a huge big Colts fan since I was a kid. I love our organization and what we have done, we have had alot to cheer for over the years. However, I think everyone can agree that we have the best QB of all time. Make injury excuses or whatever you want, but we have only had one Super Bowl appearance with him. Dungy believed in his way of doing things too much, and didnt apapt. I really like him, but he was never the coach to sleep in his office, and live football. Its the NFL, thats what you have to do. I hate the man, but Belichick lives and breaths Patriots. Everyone has already mentioned the run defense/special teams killing us, so I wont get into that. But all excuses aside, if you look at the offenses Brady had when he won those 3 Super Bowls. They were not as good as the Colts, neither was the QB. But they had things we already mentioned. Same situation with the Steelers
by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Apr 16, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bells knows the rule book front and back….he knew that those guys could bump at the line the contact downfield was going to be legal at the time. He knew that the Colts played bend but don’t break and they could dink and dunk all the way down the field, never stepping out of bounds to stop the clock and the Colts could do nothing about it. He knew the tuck rule before it was even the tuck rule.
Say what you want about the cheating, but the fact is that they aren’t taking those Super Bowl trophies back any time soon.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 16, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well the bumps were illegal
but they are never called until the competition committee passed a “Point of Emphasis” on the rule, basically a “HEY, refs, read this rule… ok?…now enforce it as it’s written.”
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 16, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
But I don’t think that the 03 AFCCG or 04 Divisional were the only games where the Pats or other teams would use that technique. A better prepared team would have had a plan in place to either take full advantage of it or at least minimize it.
I’m really just venting here more than anything. 04 was a pitiful performance against NE and 05 will never be forgotten and will always be “the lost year” for me.
All that said, if they won 1 more SB with Peyton I would probably forgive almost everything because if nothing else, it would show that the Colts in 06 werent an exception, but more of a rule of how good this team can be and should be recognized that way in history.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But im really excited about Coyer and Ray Rychleski
I think they are gonna help bring a lot more balance to this team in the coming years.
by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Apr 16, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so. It seems to me like some of the offseason moves are being made to shore up special teams as much as anything too.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to go here again.
All the Dungy bashers could well remember that the same things are said about our beloved QB all the time. He is a great stats guy and a regular season phenom, but he chokes in the post season. Doesn’t have that killer instinct. Not a winner. Even his one ring had to be greatly aided by the defense playing its best ball ever. Manning may have it regular season, but he is no Tom Brady when it comes to performing when it counts. Peyton even has the liberty to make his calls at the line, but he has done less with more weapons than others like Brady and Big Ben in the postseason. Blah, blah blah.
I don’t buy that crap anymore than the rest of us do, and we readily defend Manning for it. But some sure don’t mind dumping the same on Dungy. Oh, but he’s “a great guy.” “Like him lots and all”. We’ll just dump all the same crap on him that we get mad at others for doing to Peyton, though. Whatever.
We have had a great team, with a great coach, great QB, and great success. It has been great to be a Colts fan for quite a while now. And I remember cheering for them when it wasn’t so exciting back in the day. I hope Caldwell can take Tony’s foundation and bring us to new heights. Adversity will be the challenge for him. I won’t forget the pressure Dungy and company felt after that humiliation to the Jags in ‘06. The coach kept his cool, didn’t ditch the baby with the bathwater, and we won the super bowl that year. His adjustments were enough without the overhaul. Oh, wait. That isn’t his credit, I forgot. Only his blame.
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 16, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+10,687,789
I couldn’t have said that any better myself, so I stopped trying. Great response!
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Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The fear of long words is called Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. Think about that for a second.
by Cassieper on Apr 17, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
And I don’t mean to be ungrateful, but I was hoping for a +10,687,790. Was it something I said?
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 17, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You lost a point
for not including footnotes or a bibliography ;-P
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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: The fear of long words is called Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia. Think about that for a second.
by Cassieper on Apr 17, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your margins were set to 1.25 inches instead of 1"
(I honestly lost a point on an Anthro paper for that. First of all, Who would even check that? Secondly, that paper was still easily over the page requirement with the margins changed)
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 17, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beware of the teachers who break out a ruler when grading writing papers...
They are just bad news.
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Man, I need a life...
Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: For all of our hatred toward CHFF's idiocy, they did win a Pro Football Writers of America award for best game story a few years ago. Ironically enough, it was for this story: http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_1291_Crow-six-ways_from_Peking_Garden.html
by Cassieper on Apr 18, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personal experience?
How about yardsticks, for disciplinary reasons on your knuckles. Old Catholic school style.
I have a hard time ever picturing shake being less than thorough on any paper he turns in. Sound like someone would have to nitpick. This young man will be a famous sports journalist someday, and we will all say we knew him when he was a regular peon like ourselves. Can anyone say the next Bill Simmons, except with a pro-Colts bias?
by coltsfanawalt on Apr 18, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree somewhat
Again, I don’t hate Dungy. I just think that the team has underperformed in the playoffs in general and since it happened year after year (06 being the exception) the coaching staff, and Dungy in particular, could have prevented it at least to a certain extent.
Peyton is a great player. He has more responsibility on his shoulders than any QB I have ever seen and he plays remarkably well most of the time. For anyone to think he is always perfect or that he doesn’t have bad games, or even that some losses aren’t mostly due to his decision making or bad play is foolish.
But Peyton is not in charge of building the team, preparing both the offense, defense and special teams for games and playoff situations and putting the team (in general) in the best position to win playoff games. That is the job of coaches. And great coaches get it done. I just don’t think Dungy is a great coach. He is a good coach, but not a great coach. That’s all.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 17, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe
Dungy was great at some things and not so great at others?
Again (like in my previous comment on this thread), I honestly don’t see the problem in saying that Dungy was a very good coach who had some flaws. Who among us is perfect? I suspect Dungy himself would be the first to tell you that he has shortcomings.
When a team hires a coach, they take the whole enchilada, the good with the bad. Some coaches are great motivators but not so great with gameplanning. Some coaches are great gameplanners but couldn’t get guys to play hard for them if their lives depended on it. Some coaches create great systems, but then have a hard time adjusting these systems when they fall short. As fans, we’d like to think our coach is the best of all possible worlds, but in reality such coaches may not actually exist (or are at least extremely rare). This doesn’t invalidate their successes, but neither does it bestow false accolades.
It can be simultaneously true that Dungy was:
a) an excellent football coach who helped create a successful and innovative system of defense that helped lead a moribund franchise to glory, AND
b) a coach that often (or usually) did not make significant or successful adjustments when his gameplan was not working.
Does this mean he was a bad coach? Of course not — far from it. What it means is that he was not perfect. And again, who among us, or who among football coaches, is?
by ctnyc on Apr 17, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there's a fundamental lack of appreciation
Over just how hard it is to win Superbowls these days. People look at the Patriots and don’t think “they’re an exception” – they think, “we should win as many as they do”. Or look at the Steelers and go “wow, two Superbowls in a decade, Peyton’s better so we should have three” instead of going “what an extraordinary mix of skill and good fortune they have had”.
by eltharion_doa on Apr 17, 2009 7:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has absolutely nothing to do with other teams
The Colts, at the very least, should have beat the Chargers this year and had the team in 2005. The reason why the Colts have picked in the bottom portion of the draft 9 out of 10 years since the 2000 draft is because that’s the leagues way of saying “Your record indicates that you should be good enough to win with what you have and only need to replace players that are leaving.”
And considering almost every single one of our playoff losses have come the same way year after year after year after year, maybe at some point they’d realize that investing in a decent linebacking corps and treating the defensive side of the ball with at least half the respect they show the offense might be a good idea. It’s one thing to beat us different ways because we adapted to what our weakness was from our previous losses. Well, we didn’t. And yes, that shows poor game planning, not the proper personnel, and I think had quite a bit to do with Peyton putting way too much pressure on himself.
Like I said, just look at him in regular season vs post season. Just his movement in the pocket looked different. He would just stare and look like he was totally blocking out the rest of the world and totally locked into winning. He knew he HAD to win to get people to be quiet. He put too much pressure on himself. Now look at 07 and 08. He didn’t look nearly as overly intense as he did prior to 06. And we SHOULD have won those games against the Chargers. Both times were stupid mental mistakes by our receivers. Our receivers and special teams were the reason we lost those games. Reggie clearly dropped a sure touchdown when he apparently lost it in the lights, and he completely dropped the 3rd down in Chargers territory. Then our defense forced them 3 and out and Scifers punted it 80 billion yards to our 1" line. And I don’t even want to talk about 07’s receiving mistakes.
But I’m optimistic this year because for some reason Marvin and Reggie just never seemed to show up, but Gonzo seriously seems to up his game in pressure situations. Think about it this way, if it wasn’t for Reggie’s 72 yard TD off the blown play, Gonzo would have the 4th and 5th best receiving totals on Reggie’s playoff production and the 3rd and 4th most productive on Marvin’s. Take out the Denver game and he’s 2nd and 3rd and 3rd and 4th. And Dallas is a playoff stud. That’s something to be optimistic about.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 17, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt. I think Reggie can produce a lot better if he could just make the easy plays that he always seems to get. Gonzo is going to be a stud man, I can just tell. The guy is anywhere and everywhere when you NEED him to be there. That was always the one thing that pissed me off about Marvin when it came to the playoffs. He always disappeared whenever you needed him the most, except in one game.
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by KingRichard on Apr 17, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reguards to consistancy...
When have you ever heard an announcer speak of a consistant team….? Maybe once. The NE (cheating) Patriots; who won three championships in four years (by cheating). Noone cares if you’re consistant… they care if you win championships. The only thing consistancy helps with is a coaches HOF resume… Granted you must be consistant in the playoffs, which we were not besides SBXLI. My point is still the Colts have a weak defense, and strong offense. If you have a strong offense then why not help out your defense…? It clearly needs it.
by Bulldogftb12 on Apr 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$$
Plain and simple. The money is on the offensive side of the ball – for the most part.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 22, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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