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Colts First Round Pick from BGN

The Eagles blog Bleeding Green Nation has an ongoing mock draft with blog readers making the selections for their favorite teams (or 2nd favorite as the case may be).  As a native Hoosier and Colts fan I was lucky enough to have the 27th pick for the Indianapolis Colts.  I thought I would share with you the Indianapolis Colts first round pick.

I selected Percy Harvin in the first round and the reasoning behind the pick, along with the players already selected can be found at the following link.

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Please read the entire post before you criticize the pick.

Enjoy!

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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personally I'd prefer Ziggy Hood or Hakeem Nicks

but Harvin isn’t a bad pick there at all.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Nicks.

He is a late first round gem. He will fit perfectly with the Colts. Plus I am sure Harvin will be gone by the 27th.

I hate the new "protect the QB" rules, but its ok because it's still legal to chip the QB's fingernail polish, but if you tear his skirt it's a 10 yard penalty & an automatic 1st Down.

by Aces on Apr 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

God I hope they don't choose him

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

What is your major problem with Percy Harvin?

by Duff Honduras on Apr 2, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the whole "We don't need a WR thing at all"

Nothing against Harvin personally.

Although I just have a feeling the Colts will go WR….which makes me sad.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not

I think the Colts may pick Peria Jerry, it will all depend on if he is there or not. I think it is also possible the Colts trade out of the first round to pick up Evander Hood in the top of the second and then target a WR. If you look at the Colts Draft history they usually draft position players in the first round, so if Polian has his heart set on a RB or WR and one ends up dropping way down the board to him, he will probably pick them up.

by Duff Honduras on Apr 2, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately you're right

I really think they’ll do it. Even though DT, OL, LB, and RB are all by far bigger holes on the team. Adding a WR would be like buying spinning rims when you have a flat tire.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem with the analogy is

that a unit of a football team can improve (or decline) without any changes to it’s players.

The OL for example. Ugoh could have a breakout season and live up to the flashes he’s shown, Lilja could come back healthy, Pollak could improve and be a good starter, Diem could benefit from the improved guard play and return to competence (or CJ could take another huge leap forward and replace Diem, and play well). That’s not the most likely thing to happen, but it’s not a very big stretch that the OL could stay healthy and the young guys could improve.

The flat tires can fix themselves sometimes. So then if it’s a choice between a shitty patch on the tire and some pimped out 24s then you might go for flash.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way

We don’t need a WR. Plain and simple. Taking a WR will not get us any closer to winning the Super Bowl this season.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

but instead of beating my head against the wall I’ll share a great line your rims and my 24’s response reminded me of.

Ludacris “Ultimate Satisfaction”

So catch me on more twenty fours than Kiefer Sutherland.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to hear how a WR is a better pick than ANY of those other positions

Our run defense is pathetic, our run offensive is pathetic. Our pass game is great. We need to improve the pathetic things, not the great thing.

That WR is going to a whole lot of use when the offense can’t get on the field because the other team has the ball the whole game running on the defense.

Besides, receivers are one of the easiest to come by late. I wouldn’t be upset with a WR in the 4th or later. But with our DT situation as is, the Colts WILL NOT win the Super Bowl. Bank on that.

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by MrNFL on Apr 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree

I would contend that defensive players (especially those that can play in the Cover 2) are much easier to come by later in the draft. There is a great website called Advanced NFL Stats that has done statistical analysis on position players and draft position. The results show that the top QBs, RBs, and WRs are more likely to be successful than those drafted in later rounds. I believe the Colts can upgrade their defense in the later rounds, like they have in previous drafts. As far as our run defense goes, that is the nature of the beast when you run a Cover 2 defense. You trade big bodies that block running lanes for quick guys that can hopefully stop the run in the backfield.

by Duff Honduras on Apr 3, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well.

Run defense doesn’t have to go out the window in Cover 2. Example: 2006 playoff run. Larry Johnson of the Cheifs was held to what, 42 yards that game?

Something MUST be done. I think Coyer will do it. I think it needs to be done in the earlier rounds for DT and possibly LB. Then pick up a couple of guys in the later rounds for depth.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 3, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the Colts DT's are SOOOOO Bad

Not that they can’t find a decent DT later, but they could take Jerry or Hood and they would INSTANTLY be the best DT on the team, and would make a big impact right away. A WR would not make that immediate impact IMO.

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by MrNFL on Apr 3, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Jerry and Hood over Nicks

I think they are as good if not better and will have a bigger impact. But if both are gone, Nicks is one of my next choices.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 3, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather have Harvin than Nicks.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's a risk level thing

Harvin is high risk (injury history, non-pro style O), high reward (physical freak, hands)

While Nicks is much more polished, but doesn’t have the world class athleticism.

Harvin is more likely to be an all pro, but he’s also more likely to bust out. Nicks seems like a guy that can contribute quickly and effectively, but has a lower ceiling.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contributing

I’d actually say Harvin will contribute much more quickly than Nicks. Maybe not as a receiver, but generally rookie WRs don’t see much playing time unless there’s an injury. That’s actually even more the case with the Colts. Gonzo saw as much action as he did due to the Marvin injury. At the very least, Harvin would be a ridiculous upgrade as a returner. And I know he didn’t return kicks in Florida, but they happened to have one of the best returners in the nation. He returned kicks in high school and I have no doubt he could at least return his first year.

And I wouldn’t say Nicks is much more polished. Maybe more polished, but not “much”. And the fact that I’d like him to play in the slot makes Flordia’s spread attack actually a plus. Gonzo played in a spread in Ohio, Maclin played in one this year. That “spread” means “suck” has been disproved many times.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know nuthin' about that there spread O

I’m from the land of the I formation and 230lb power backs who run 4.55’s on good days.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but seriously, I don't watch enough college football to have an informed opinion on the spread

other than knowing it requires more adjustment than a guy coming from a more traditional O

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Colts

Actually could be accused of running the spread.

“The spread offense begins with a no-huddle approach with the quarterback in the shotgun formation much of the time. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets (some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen). The object of the spread offense is to open up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field (a "horizontal stretch”) to cover everyone."

And Richard’s right, the only position that suffers from the spread is the QB. You have to be a pretty good route runner actually. Otherwise you could end up running into your own dudes.

Richard’s also right, and points out the reason why I’d like Harvin. I think Harvin is one of the first “slot” WRs that is actually a first round talent to come out. He has the speed, the routes are very similar to what he’s used to, and he’s way more physical than people give him credit for. Those injuries he had came from running up the gut and hitting LBs head on going incredibly fast. If he stuck to just receiving, I think he’d be 100% fine aside from the usual injuries that even players that don’t miss games are exposed to.

And that’s my point as to why I like him over Nicks. I’m not completely adverse to a WR, but the thing is, slot receivers are normally taken in the 3rd round down. Not many receivers are taken in the 1st or second that are destined to play in the slot. I mean everyone says Gonzo was supposed to play in the slot because he played in the spread, but I don’t hear them saying Maclin is only suited to play in the slot. Not to mention Gonzo plays better as a flanker than he does in the slot. He just does. And I think Nicks would have to play in the slot until Reggie started to slow down. And I don’t think he’d do nearly as well as Harvin.

By the way, some very very good receivers came from spread offenses. And this year’s two top WRs in the draft (Crabtree and Maclin) both played in it.

Some dudes that have played in the spread :

Anthony Gonzalez
Santonio Holmes
Calvin Johnson
Ted Ginn

And…I really don’t feel like going through that list anymore, but here’s one more :

Marvin Harrison

I don’t think the Canes ran it, Richard could probably tell me, but they ran a very “spread” type offense with Reggie, Andre Johnson, Santana Moss, Jeremy Shockey, Clinton Portis, Willis McGahee, and Najeh Davenport.

Here you go, the most infamous college system that “ruins” NFL players :

Hmm, that looks vaguely familiar.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one complaint

Indy uses 3 WR sets more often than just about everyone, but they are towards the bottom the last few years in 4-5 wide sets.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh

A 3 WR set with a TE that goes out for passes is the spread. When Gonzalez, Marvin, Reggie, and Dallas were on the field, that’s a spread.

The key is no huddle shotgun.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't shotgun

used only on 3rd down the majority of the time? Peyton goes under center unless they have like 3rd and 4 or more…doesn’t he?

I do love no huddle…is it football season yet? Just thinking about it, my heart starts racing.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 2, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 WR was almost exclusively 3rd down and 2 minute warning last year.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the way the Colts use the spread as opposed to the way college teams use it is very different. College teams try to change their base formation in order to make mismatches in coverage. They do a lot of shifting and motion as well. The Colts basically walk up to the line and give you mirror images the entire game. The other big differences are the Colts run the ball (most of the time) out of a pro-style offense and utilize the play-action, which happens to be the best thing the Colts do when they can ACTUALLY RUN THE BALL. But the Colts do run a decent amount of delays from the shotgun (a spread play).

The one spread offense I can think of right now that was somewhat similar to how the Colts run their offense is Oklahoma. Bradford took a good number of snaps under center, especially when running the ball. This is also the reason why if the Colts were to draft a QB next year in the 1st round for some crazy ass reason, I’d want Bradford.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 3, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Bradford ALOT.

More than Tebow or McCoy. He has poise under pressure he’s talented and mobile – how cool would that be?

BTW, thanks for the explanations KR and Shake.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 3, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt. The only position the spread offense hurts in terms of transitioning to the NFL is the QB. In all honesty, I think getting guys who played in the spread in college is pretty beneficial because they’ve played at multiple positions as opposed to strictly one side of the formation. Harvin no doubt would be a sick slot receiver, much moreso than Gonzo would be, and Nicks imo.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But of course, I’m a Florida homer too so take that for what it’s worth.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harvin over Nicks

I agree, not just because of the weight issue, but Harvin presents so many challenges to opposing defenses that the Colts have been lacking. A change of pace, potential big play receiver AND returner who could play slot or out wide.

I don’t think he will be available at 27, but he would be first on my list after Hood, Jerry and Moreno.

by AceOfSpades on Apr 2, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would not mind Harvin

Manning having Wayne, Gonzo, Harvin, and Clark all on the field at the same time would be a scary sight for opposing defenses

by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Apr 2, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

assuming the O-line can block for him...

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 2, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Po man's reggie Bush???

I think he could be a much cheaper version of Reggie Bush for us. He can run out of the backfield, he can return kicks/punts. The guy is crazy dynamic and I don’t think he’ll fall this far, another team will take a shot at him. As much as I think the Colts should take a defensive player (DT/OLB). I couldn’t complain if they took a shot with Harvin if he falls this far.

The Vikes are my NFC team and I’d love to see them take him as they could use one more dynamic player to really bust that offense out and make whoever ends up at QB look a lot better.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Apr 2, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like to compare him to Bush

because I trust that the Colts would use him in a more efficient way than the Saints did with Bush. The Saints would just snap the ball, give it to Bush and expect him to run around (usually side to side) and make about 10 dudes miss, which isn’t going to happen most of the time. The Colts would most likely start Harvin out as a receiver and might use him as a RB 2-5% of the time, but not enough to wear him out. I do think they both compare as KR and are both explosive if used in that way.

by AceOfSpades on Apr 2, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Harvin on the Colts

if only so that every time the announcer says, “and Manning completes it to Harvin” I can pretend he’s actually saying “Marvin.” Hell, if Polian would just sign Dakota Fanning to play QB and Ned Flanders to play safety, I could live in my own little world of delusion indefinitely.

by ctnyc on Apr 2, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Harvin is there, it's all over.

Being a die-hard Indy born Colts fan living in Cocoa Beach, I’ve seen Harvin and Nicks play and I’ll take Harvin every single time. Imo it’s not only about athleticism which Harvin has in spades over Nicks but also level of competition. Just look at the highlight videos and see who the teams are that they scoring against. Most of Harvins comp were ranked including the national championship game. Nicks?

by vcoxiv on Apr 2, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeap

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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