BANG! Cutler traded to the Bears

PTI says

Orton and 2 1st round picks.

If that is the case, the Broncos won in my opinion. Those picks are HUGE and Orton’s above average.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Just wow.

by LovinBlue on Apr 2, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow. That was fast.

If they did get Orton and 2 first rounders, like MrNFL reports, that’s HUGE for Denver.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

quick non-self-promotion

One of my better college friends has a somewhat popular sports blog (rumorsandrants.com) and he predicted this nearly 3 weeks ago.

Okay maybe he didn’t predict it as much as he just hoped for it as a Bears fan.

http://rumorsandrants.com/2009/03/jay-cutler-wants-to-be-a-bear-he-just-doesnt-know-it-yet.html

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 2, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think it works for both teams

the bears finally have a viable quarterback, and denver now has pick 12 pick 18 and an extra 2010 first rounder.

http://www.irun.com/users/6967/downloads/Jays%20Win%20Back-to-Back%20World%20Series.mp3

by torontocoltsfan on Apr 2, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's more boom/bust for the Bears

If Cutler develops into a stud QB and plays with them for years, it’s justified.

HOWEVAH (Stephen A. voice), that’s a HEFTY price. RIGHT NOW, Cutler’s only a bit of an upgrade from Orton. And you can build a team with those picks. The question is potential, Orton doesn’t strike me as someone who’s going much higher. Cutler could

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Plus

Who do the Bears have on offense other than Forte? Not much at WR, and a mediocre at best offensive line. I’d be surprised if Cutler in year 1 does much more than Orton did this past year. (And it’s much harder to fix the holes without those picks)

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was just thinking that...

I can’t name one of their WR either….hmmm

But their Defense is better than Denver’s.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Apr 2, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eh..

Cutler is a bit more of a slight upgrade over Orton. Not dogging Orton, I dig him, but he doesn’t have the arm Cutler does to show the full potential of Hester on a deep route. Just go watch the New Orleans game. Orton underthrew a wide open Hester about 3-4 times. Luckily Hester recovered fast enough to get a couple of huge pass interferences.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But remember, Cutler will have less around him with the Bears than he did with the Broncos

Big difference between Brandon Marshall and a great O-line to….well…the Bears.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Matt Forte

Is a huge upgrade.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's a stud, true

But you could’ve used those picks to get some receivers and linemen, which they desperately lack.

AND, it seems like more often than not, 2nd year backs get hurt after having such a heavy load the rookie year. Not that Forte is guaranteed this, but it’s a thought. Without him, they are screwed.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Adding

Forte > The 10 RB’s Denver had.

Denver’s OL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bears OL

Marshall >>> Hester
Royal >>>>>>>>>> ….Bennett?

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You mean

The Marshall that just had hip surgery, another infraction that he’ll probably get suspended again for, and the nerve damage he had from punching through a T.V.?

And their O-line isn’t that bad. This also forces the defenses to back out of the box. And yes, I think Hester could be a phenomenal receiver with Cutler. And Greg Olsen is a VERY good TE who could turn into a pro bowler. He’s only going into his 3rd year.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hester is one of the most over-rated guys in the league

Although I agree on Greg Olsen. The O-Line is pretty brutal though. They did sign Kevin Shaffer from the Browns, but it’s still a massive downgrade from a very good Denver O-line.

We’ll see how Cutler adjusts to it. For this to be a good trade, Cutler has to become a stud.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mmm

O-line.

"Bears | Pace agrees to terms
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ESPNews reports the Chicago Bears have agreed to terms with unrestricted free-agent OT Orlando Pace (Rams). Terms of the contract were not disclosed. "

I think that’s BANG BANG from the Bears.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And the overpaying of free agents begin

Pace isn’t near the force he once was, and he’s lucky these days to play half a season.

If he can stay healthy (BIG IF) he’s a solid starter. But they probably signed him to a huge deal expecting him to be the HOF player he used to be.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And you know they're overpaying

How exactly?

“Terms of the contract were not disclosed.”

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

I thought I had added this but apparently I didn’t.

If they got him cheap, it’s not bad. But I expect that Pace still commands upwards of 4+ million.

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by MrNFL on Apr 2, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BANG BANG BANG when they add

Marvin?

Now that they have a HOF LT, pro bowl QB, they need a HOF WR to complete the set.

NO idea of their cap space and not that I want it, but you hardly get a top-10 QB and deprive him of tools, right?

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Apr 2, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reportedly it's 2 firsts, a 3rd with year and Orton

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

typo

2009 1st
2009 3rd
2010 1st
Orton

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN says it's

to Denver
2009 1st
2010 1st
Kyle Orton

to Chicago
2009 3rd
Jay Cutler

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm surprised really

They probably could’ve almost exactly the same deal from Washington. But instead of Orton they’d have Campbell and instead of the 18th pick they’d have back to back 12 and 13.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh

And this is actually great news by the way. I’m pretty sure Chicago was looking at pretty close to the same positions we were, but in a different order. OT, DE/DT, WR.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

NOW THAT'S

interesting and a good point. Denver is looking for a different basket of players—though probably D-intensive.

Hey, with a limited number of T-2 teams and matching 1st round talent, that could have been a HUGE deal knocking one of those teams out of the picture.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Apr 2, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, what a dumb move on the Bears’ part. Who the hell is Cutler going to throw to? They should have kept those draft picks and just drafted some receivers for Orton instead. The Broncos totally came out on top in this move, the Bears are complete morons.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Uh

Devin Hester is actually really good. Orton just didn’t have the arm to get it to him.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh no he isn’t. Orton’s arm strength had nothing to do with it. Devin Hester is about as raw of a receiver as you can get.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I paid attention to Hester

because I had him on a fantasy team. I’m far too lazy to look for links, but the consensus I got during last season was that he started the year pretty raw as you say, but made big strides in route running and defense recognition as the year progressed. If he continues, he could be a breakout candidate this year. Worst case scenario is that he can at least run a fly pattern and expect the ball to be within 10 yds of him.

by ctnyc on Apr 2, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh

Yeah he is. Trust me, I watched quite a few Bears games. As ctnyc said, he started off shaky but had obvious progress towards the end of the season.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not sure how he was making progress towards the end of the season when Orton was still suffering from his ankle sprain. That’s the only reason Orton didn’t wow more people last season.

This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.

by KingRichard on Apr 2, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just from the intial reactions

Bears fans are partying. Broncos fans feel like they didn’t get enough.

It depends on which version of the deal is right.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Bears

Ok, the Bears just got what they feel is their FRANCHISE QB that they haven’t had. Now maybe he goes there and flops, but if I were a Bears fans I’d be completely stoked. You didn’t lose anything aside from a pick, which is never a guarantee to begin with, and Orton. I don’t think Denver got enough either. They could’ve gotten more from several teams. I wonder if they even tried talking to Carolina for Peppers and a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 2, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

FRANCHISE QB

It’s true: Jay Cutler is the new Sid Luckman. That didn’t take the Bears too long….

by ctnyc on Apr 2, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marvin?

If they had cap space, is there a chance they go after Marv?

After all of the debates on this site about when to draft WRs, I think they can find some decent talent in the 2nd round if they go that route.

by AceOfSpades on Apr 2, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rat fink

beat me to the Marvin suggestion. Assuming they have the room, he’d be a great security blankie for Cutler, though IIRC, not much of a mentor for Hester. Potential drawback: they play on grass, not turf, right? IF he has lost a step, that won’t help. I said IF.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Apr 2, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN changed it's report to match the other one

To Denver
2009 1st
2009 3rd
2010 1st
Orton

To Chicago
2009 5th
Jay Cutler

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Denver

Came out on top if you ask me.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 2, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You can't know that...

Until you see who they draft with those picks. Right?

by bamock on Apr 2, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you have to evaluate trades with the info the teams had at the time

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 2, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They both got what they wanted

The Bears have a good defense, along with Olsen, Forte, Hester, and now Cutler on offense. If they pick up someone like Robiske in the 2nd they could now have a very solid offense as well. They gave up too much, but QBs like Cutler are hard to come by.

by ColtsPurdueFanFromKY on Apr 2, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cutler

I REALLY think that the proven bird in the hand is probably well worth the unproven two in the bush. Sorry to mangle cliches there, but Cutler is a proven top-10 QB and any rookie is not. I agree that is hard to come by.

They both got what they wanted and both fan bases should be pretty optimistic. Shake is right that right now, their grades rely on what we know today, but history is never that static and this will be judged down the road. How many times did we hear that SD fleeced the NYG in the Manning/Rivers trade because they also got Merriman and Kaeding with the extra picks? Many, many times. Then the NYG won the SB and SD did not and suddenly you don’t hear much of that anymore. History won’t be so kind as to limit its judgement to what we know today. And even a year or two after the draft, the final decision won’t be set in stone.

And if Hester has a breakout year, I won’t be so sure it’s just his logical progression from last year and not attributable to a superior QB. (was that even a sentence? I don’t know how to fix it.) Remember, last season everyone was surprised that Orton proved to be pretty good, but the main benefit he gave the Bears was that he didn’t make as many mistakes as Grossman. Behold, the mighty Game Manager! Let’s not forget that. When a guy is celebrated for not screwing up, that’s not exactly praise so much as relief. How can you succeed as a game manager QB when your D sucks?

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Apr 2, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the SD/NYG trade is a great point

That really is a trade where the common opinion has gone back and forth each year depending on what’s happened. Interesting point

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

after further review I think the broncos got the better end of this deal.

yes they now have no qb but….and this is a big but

they are going to get some solid picks and this team will be loaded in the next two years.

I think the bears gave up WAY TOO MUCH. congrats jay. you now have NO line to protect you (the broncos line is developing into a very solid group and are young), absoulutely no recievers, oh the broncos just have the best up and coming group in football, and you went to a run first team. have fun throwing the ball in the windy city come nov and dec. reminds me of TO catching the ball in nov and dec in the other windy city. they now have a cry baby star with an old d and no weapons or protection

who came out on top on this deal? I think josh daniels will eventually find his qb. yes they will miss cutler. but not his antics or his interceptions. yes I also know john elway threw alot of interceptions but cutler was second to only the interception king, brett favre last year. and he had a line and weapons to protect him.

so the bears fans are happy!

I love this quote….You have to give Angelo credit for taking the plunge with Cutler. It was more than bold move; it was a move that will end up in the first or second paragraph of his obituary.

when is the last time a star player in a trade for the future of their team won???

by kinnickcolt on Apr 3, 2009 5:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eh..

I think they both improved their chances. Even with Cutler, their defense will benefit from the extra picks. Orton’s not a terrible QB and probably fits McDaniels style better anyway. The Bears get a QB to build around and possibly open the window for Hester’s breakout season. Not to mention Olsen and Forte are great receiving weapons, so I really don’t think they’re that far behind in terms of weapons. Forte is better than any back on Denver, and one of the better receiving backs in the league. Olsen is probably at least as good, if not better than Scheffler (who’s on the trading block anyway). And Hester definitely made obvious improvements as a receiver by the end of the season. Not to mention that Forte might just be able to increase his ypc just a tiny bit with defenses being forced to respect Cutler’s arm and not being able to stack 9 in the box.

And looking at Brandon Marshall’s off field shannanigans, I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being the next Pacman. Seriously, he can’t control himself. Not to mention his injury history :

2006 – Slight PCL tear in preseason
2007 – Groin strain, pulled quad prior to the season
2008 – “slipped” on a McDonals wrapper while wrestling with family members and put his arm through a T.V. that required surgery and caused nerve damage to his hand.
2009 – Hip surgery; out until around late July

His legal history :

2004 – Arrested for assault of an officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct, resisting an oficer
2007 – January 1st : Was one of the two players who was with Darrent Williams when he was killed. The motive is assumed to be retaliation from an altercation with Marshall’s cousin
2007 – March 26th : Arrested for domestic violence against his girlfriend. Chargers were dropped and he was placed in anger management.
2007 – October 22nd : Arrested for driving under the influence. Plead it down to 1 year probation and 24 hours of community service.
2008 – June : Pulled over for illegal lane change; had no license or proof of insurance; was part of the October plea deal.
2008 – Arrested for misdemeanor battery from an incident in Atlanta. No court date as of yet.
2009 – March : Arrested for disorderly conduct for fighting with his fiancee. Charges were dropped.

I don’t expect Marshall to last more than 2 or 3 seasons if he continues down this path.

And the Bears have handled their line issues. At least in the short term. And saying he’s going to have trouble throwing in December in Chicago is silly. Denver might not be the windy city, but it’s definitely not LOS.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 3, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Who was the last team to win a Superbowl with an average QB?

Bears won this deal in a landslide. Only way Broncos even get close is if they manage to get a good QB in the draft and he turns into what Jay Cutler is now. In three years. After they suck in the intervening period.

Let’s see how good Kyle Orton is when he has to throw 40-50 times a game because he’s got no defense and no running game.

Cutler needs someone to throw to before you’d consider the Bears anything more than an above average team, but this is a HUGE upgrade for them.

by eltharion_doa on Apr 3, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs