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Should Pettigrew fans join me and monstersbox in a little dance?
Falcons are one of the main landing points for him, and the Ravens may move themselves out of the race too. Reportedly they are offering the #26 pick and Todd Heap for Boldin. That would get the other main contender for Pettigrew out and the Cards sliding into that spot would have their TE in Heap.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
I wouldn't mind him at all
I mean it depends on who’s available at 27 of course, but Pettigrew is definitely worthy of the 27th pick. The way I see it, more talent dropping to 27 is never a bad thing. It’s definitely a winning situation if Laurinaitis, Moreno, Wells, Britton, Pettigrew, and whoever else you realistically think could be available at 27.
And I still think Pettigrew would be much more valuable than a WR for us.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I buy that
after the last two seasons of Gonzo’s time being limited in favor of Gijon Robinson and Ben Utecht it’s pretty clear Moore is committed to 2TE sets.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 23, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Move Dallas to the slot and make Pettigrew a #1 TE
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 23, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention
That this would be the “curveball” from Polian. It sort of makes perfect sense in a round-a-bout way.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I am saying we take Pettigrew in the first round
i called it way back when. I’ll put 100 internet dollars on it.
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Clark in-line in the base
slot on 3rd and mid-long, plus in the 2 minute O.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 23, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why
but this news made me sad. I know Gonzo wanted to be traded, and I think Atlanta is closer to a SB than KC is this year, but he was with the Chiefs so long it’s hard to imagine him outta there. Anyway… good luck to him.
Activity is heating up in anticipation of Draft Day – woohoo!
This is great
Mock drafts across the Interwebs will go under change because of this. Pettigrew was an almost unanimous pick for Atlanta before this. That’s why I am not starting my final mock draft until tomorrow night.
"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg
I had to go in and change my contest mock
3 way switch. IND-BAL-ATL
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
My god...
Are you serious with Pettigrew?! The guys seriously blows! He ran a 4.8 40! Besides didn’t we already draft Tamme (4th rounder), Santi (6th rounder) and Clarke (1st rounder)? Do you seriously want to spend another first round pick on a freaking TE?! Not just a TE but not even the best one in this draft (Jared Cook is better). This really gives new meaning to “Cart before the horse” mentality.
Unreal.
Tamme is a FB
and Santi is a #2 TE.
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Tamme is a "WR in a TE's body".
The knock on him last year was that he was too averse to blocking to be a good TE…
why on earth would he want to play FB, a position for which the primary responsibility is run blocking?
utech was used in a similar role
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 23, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
As a shotgun TE.......thats what I meant to say
I see Tamme as a better version Utech used in a shotgun 3 WR set with a RB and TE/FB in the back field with the QB. Tamme is more like a WR, your right. I cant see him playing on the line. Santi is definatly a #2 TE.
Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 23, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I would reverse that
Santi and Gijon are H-Backs, Clark and Tamme are tight ends.
Pettigrew would be a H-back (and a much better one that Santi or Gijon).
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 23, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
YEah!
And we can throw more picks at positions we don’t need and on top of that we can grab sub-par talent in Pettigrew!
You drafting sucks dude. You need to sign up with Daniel Synder.
by MasterRWayne on Apr 24, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
YAY
lets throw around personal attacks at people we disagree with. FUN FUN FUN.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 24, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
You really haven’t supported you idea with anything other than “monstersbox told me it’d be a great idea!”
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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umm, even if you believe that I'm not making personal attacks. Unsupported statements>ad hominem
Gijon Robinson was a starter on the offense last year
if there’s a spot that could clearly be upgraded on the offense it’s that one. Gives a excellent blocking TE to support Ugoh or Diem pass blocking, boost the run blocking and he can catch and run the short stuff like Utecht and Gijon did before.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/4/20/845956/colts-draft-as-i-see-it#14558112
He’s not my favorite pick, but if 5-6 of my top guys are gone he’s a guy who could be a big upgrade at the H-Back/blocking TE spot.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s not support, that’s just you reiterating what monstersbox said. You even admitted that you didn’t like Pettigrew until MB laid it out for you.
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by KingRichard on Apr 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I said I hadn't thought about him to Indy
but I liked him as a player.
I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter
by shake n bake on Apr 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Um
How is that ANY different than both you and MRW saying that Duke Robinson and/or Alex Mack would be good picks? I mean, the Colts have drafted 6 lineman (5 Guards/Centers) since 2006. There’s two guard spots on the roster. And 2 RBs, including 1 #1 including 2 UDFAs this offseason (which would be the equivalent as Gijon) for one spot.
Please, tell me, how is drafting a TE that is a better blocker than both Santi and Tamme (If Tamme ever plays on the line, I’d worry) and a pretty decent receiver in his own right? Not to mention that Diem was given more credit for sucking than was really the case.
Pettigrew is a PHENOMENAL blocker. I promise you adding him to the end of the line and putting Dallas in the Clark would not only improve the passing game, but would improve our run blocking and stretch plays more than any tackle would. By the way, we run a 2 TE set as our base, so there’s just as many TE spots as there are OG and OT. I would much rather have Dallas in the slot than some rookie, and would rather have Pettigrew blocking on the line than any of our TEs on the roster, including Dallas.
Pettigrew has the potential to be very similar to Jason Witten. Would Jason Witten help our run blocking, pass protection, and allow us to do several different things with our receivers? Yes. Would Addai and our RBs finally be able to actually play as RBs and not blockers due to the inefficiency of our line? Yes.
But please, enlighten me as to how drafting the best TE in the entire draft to replace a 4th round, 6th round, and Gijon is silliness compared to what you guys are saying about linemen and RBs. I’d like to hear that argument, it should be good.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
How is that ANY different than both you and MRW saying that Duke Robinson and/or Alex Mack would be good picks? I mean, the Colts have drafted 6 lineman (5 Guards/Centers) since 2006. There’s two guard spots on the roster. And 2 RBs, including 1 #1 including 2 UDFAs this offseason (which would be the equivalent as Gijon) for one spot.
It’s completely different. First off, there are only 2 TE spots (unless you run 3 TE formations which the Colts DON’T do), and 4 TEs to work with. So that’s two starters, and two backups. The thing is, we still need to see what Tamme and Santi are made of. Now compare that to the o-line, where you have 2 guard positions and a center. It’d be wise to have some depth behind those guys incase one or more of them goes down. We have Saturday, Pollak, and Richard as the most likely candidates to become starters. Their depth would consist of Justice, Barnes, DeVan, Johnson, and Lilja. The last two won’t be on the roster after next season, if they even make it through training camp. Lilja’s injury problems are going to be his downfall, and Johnson sucks. So that solves the problem of having too many interior lineman.
Now then, to retort to your comment about MRW and I wanting either Mack or Robinson, it must not have been too bad of an idea considering the Colts just signed two more interior lineman. Do you think Polian signed these guys for nothing? I can see what they might do with them. Or at least, I can see what would be the most obvious move.
Please, tell me, how is drafting a TE that is a better blocker than both Santi and Tamme (If Tamme ever plays on the line, I’d worry) and a pretty decent receiver in his own right? Not to mention that Diem was given more credit for sucking than was really the case.
How do you know Pettigrew is a better blocker than Santi and Tamme? Surely you couldn’t be basing this on their playing time last season.
Pettigrew is a PHENOMENAL blocker. I promise you adding him to the end of the line and putting Dallas in the Clark would not only improve the passing game, but would improve our run blocking and stretch plays more than any tackle would. By the way, we run a 2 TE set as our base, so there’s just as many TE spots as there are OG and OT. I would much rather have Dallas in the slot than some rookie, and would rather have Pettigrew blocking on the line than any of our TEs on the roster, including Dallas.
My argument against drafting another TE, specifically in the first round, is that if we are just looking for a TE who’s primary job is to block, then lets go after someone who isn’t touted as a “great TE”, but as a great blocker. To me, that doesn’t warrant a 1st round pick, especially if we can fill a need such as CB, RB, or an OT with first round talent. It’s not like Santi is some chump. The guy is pretty big, 6’3" 250lbs. He just happened to be hurt last season and received no playing time. This is just another case of “let’s draft the next big thing” instead of testing what we have.
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That's my point
Obviously you missed the point where I was saying that those guys WOULD be good picks. I never argued that.
But saying that those picks make sense and Pettigrew doesn’t is hypocritical.
Not to mention that, and even though it shouldn’t have come down to this, Gijon missing that block had more of an impact than any single play during the Chargers game.
And alright, I’ll give you 4 TEs for two spots, but that’s different than having 5 total linemen spots and 13 linemen how exactly? When we’ve drafted several lineman in the past few seasons?
I can see the reason to take any player at any position in the first round if they’re a first round talent. I also know that Pettigrew would be a much bigger improvement over our current TEs behind Dallas over several other positions. I also know that I’d rather have Dallas going into the slot in 3 WR sets more than pretty much anybody on the roster. I also know that the Colts most efficient run play in the past, and the one we like to use even when we were getting stuffed last year, is the stretch. The stretch is probably more dependent upon the TE holding up at the point of attack than any other lineman.
Shake and I are not standing here proclaiming “PETTIGREW OVER EVERYONE ELSE! YAAARRR!” We’re saying that at 27, if all the players that would fit as a “need” coincides with “BPA” are gone, Pettigrew WOULD likely improve the team at multiple facets of the game, and we would like it better than reaching for someone who is borderline or clearly second round talent. Pettigrew being one of the top BPA available at 27 is pretty solid.
Not to mention this pretty much frees up Atlanta to decide between a DB and a DT. And I think they go DT if Jerry or Hood are available.
And dude, seriously, if you don’t think a great blocking TE, that is also a decent receiver, doesn’t help this team…I have no idea what to say.
http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/2005/11/colts-stretch-play.html
You know how I found that? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=stretch+play
Read that and look at the responsibilities of a TE in relationship to the run play we pretty much have the most success with in both the running game and the passing from playaction.
Then go here http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol and take notice of the Colts run success towards the strong side. Take into account we don’t use a FB to lead block for our RB, so it’s pretty obvious where a strong lapse in the line is. 31st in the league is pretty glaring. And not respecting our TEs ability to block allows teams to hold back the extra defender they would have to send if there WAS an elite blocker lined up there and negate the effectiveness of playaction from the stretch. Which is one of the aspects of the game Peyton is known as being phenomenal for prior to last season.
Now ask yourself, would a TE help out our running game? If you still say no, you win. You have totally convinced me.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
But saying that those picks make sense and Pettigrew doesn’t is hypocritical.
Well when two of the 4 TEs you on the roster have received enough playing time to convince me they need to be upgraded already, I don’t find it hypocritcal in the slightest.
Not to mention that, and even though it shouldn’t have come down to this, Gijon missing that block had more of an impact than any single play during the Chargers game.
Hey man, no one here is more pissed about Gijon missing that block than me. But is it fair to throw him out because of one bad play?
And alright, I’ll give you 4 TEs for two spots, but that’s different than having 5 total linemen spots and 13 linemen how exactly? When we’ve drafted several lineman in the past few seasons?
It’s different when both of your tackles are suspect, your center is getting old, and the only good guard you had left in free agency.
I can see the reason to take any player at any position in the first round if they’re a first round talent. I also know that Pettigrew would be a much bigger improvement over our current TEs behind Dallas over several other positions. I also know that I’d rather have Dallas going into the slot in 3 WR sets more than pretty much anybody on the roster. I also know that the Colts most efficient run play in the past, and the one we like to use even when we were getting stuffed last year, is the stretch. The stretch is probably more dependent upon the TE holding up at the point of attack than any other lineman.
I agree with the Clark in the slot comment. And I’m aware that the TE is key in the stretch play. But if you look back at last season when the Colts actually tried running it, d-lineman were blowing the play up before Addai or Rhodes even made it past the tackle spot. I don’t think a stud TE is going to help solve that problem.
Shake and I are not standing here proclaiming "PETTIGREW OVER EVERYONE ELSE! YAAARRR!" We’re saying that at 27, if all the players that would fit as a "need" coincides with "BPA" are gone, Pettigrew WOULD likely improve the team at multiple facets of the game, and we would like it better than reaching for someone who is borderline or clearly second round talent. Pettigrew being one of the top BPA available at 27 is pretty solid.
I get what you are saying, I just disagree with you.
And dude, seriously, if you don’t think a great blocking TE, that is also a decent receiver, doesn’t help this team…I have no idea what to say.
I never said that, nor was I insinuating such.
Now ask yourself, would a TE help out our running game? If you still say no, you win. You have totally convinced me.
I don’t know why you are assuming I’m disagreeing with you on the premise that the TE position is useless. I get all that man, I just don’t like the idea of spending a FIRST ROUND PICK on Pettigrew. Let’s stick to that instead of assuming stuff I’ve never said ya?
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when two of the 4 TEs you on the roster have received enough playing time to convince me they need to be upgraded already, I don’t find it hypocritcal in the slightest.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
Oh and I write words and stuff for Stampede Blue.
jesus christ
THIRD TIME’S THE CHARM!
Well when two of the four TEs on the roster haven’t received enough playing time to convince me they need to be upgraded already, I don’t find it hypocritcal in the slightest.
This line will remain in my signature until the Colts draft Rashad Jennings in 2009.
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Oh
I forgot to add that he’d replace 2 TEs that went on IR.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
Oh and also...
Pettigrew has serious attitude problems. Did I mention that he ran a 4.8 forty time? Pat Beach (old Colts TE) is faster than Pettigrew and he is like 50 years old right now.
Looks like his blocking skills, size and physcality
would help the running game, no doubt. He would be good on the underneath routs, helping keep drives alive. I just hope he’s not the best player available at 27, not because he won’t fit in.
It’s time for some 1st round talent on the interior of the offensive line.
Defense if more important then breathing.
Nice
I’m almost 100% sure that this http://forum.colts.com/showthread.php?t=42113 wasn’t just thought up on the spot conveniently at about the same time this discussion came up as a full blown conversation and not some little blips in posts.
Everyone jump on the bandwagon, maybe we can say the one place that actually hit Polian’s curveball was this blog. Haha, just kidding. I think the curveball might just be that he’s not going to throw one this year. I mean I’d be shocked if he took a DT really. It’d be a “What? Wait a second…he took a DT? Most people said he should take a DT. What the hell? Where am I?”
Either that or he’s taking Pettigrew. Signup sheet for the Pettigrew bandwagon :
1. monstersbox
2. shake n bake
3. colts9318rock
Signup sheep for dudes I totally get to make fun of if (on the slim chance he actually does it) Polian takes Pettigrew :
1. MasterRWayne
Be brave friends, be bold.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
I say 2 huge curveballs will be thrown by Polian


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Nate Davis = beast, The rest of the NFL fails to reconize that
by colts9318rock on Apr 23, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign me up for the there’s no way in hell Polian takes him and the idea of doing so is just sad group.
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