Pipe Dream Prospectus: Wide Receiver

A little random, but what does that have to do with anything I said?

I agree. I don’t think you can ever go wrong with drafting o-line depth in the first, or any round for that matter, especially this year with how many great players will be available at the 27th. The general consensus around here is that Diem and Johnson suck, and Lilja is too injury prone. So if Pollak and Richard start in place of Johnson and Lilja, who is starting at the right tackle position? And then, who is going to be their backups? Should we keep Diem and Lilja just because they know the system? Or would it make more sense to go for someone in the draft who could provide great depth the first year, or even work his way into the starting position because he’s that good.

but Duke and Mack are waayyyy better than Nicks

huh?

learn to use the reply button MRW

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there are 5 offensive linemen on the roster that are basically untested.
I don’t think it makes much sense to bypass these linemen, assuming that drafting a lineman in the first few rounds is going to automatically provide an upgrade.
I think there are much more pressing needs.

Since when is untested players a good thing that signals a lack of need.

Antonio Johnson, Daniel Muir and Eric Foster haven’t gotten a whole lot of testing at NT, we shouldn’t bypass them for Jerry or Hood.

When he threw 49 TD’s… and yet we didn’t win the Super Bowl.

Football is bigger than just Manning.

As previously mentioned by me and others, all the primary Colt receivers were #1 picks. So there’s precedent. Also, BP’s reasoning might be that the best QB in football deserves only the best tools available.

Slot receivers aren’t primary receivers. Therefore they don’t HAVE TO BE first round picks man. If you honestly think having 2 first round WRs, a first round TE, isn’t enough talent for Manning to throw to then you are nuts.

Second, since Gonzo has played the slot primarily

Not by choice.

are you positive that he’s going to be the homerun WR that Marvin was in 2007 and before?

I’m a lot more positive in thinking Gonzo is going to be great as opposed to an UNPROVEN, UNTESTED, first round draft pick.

The best slot receiver the Colts ever had was a 4th Round draft pick.

There should be no argument for that.

We can all argue that Peyton needs only the best plaers on offense to succeed (which I don’t believe), but something that also needs to be addressed is that the best and most successful Colts teams in the Manning era have had stud DTs (Booger and Simon). The 05 team didn’t live up to expectations for so many reasons, but the only SB banner came from a team that had a true, solid DT and an effective defense when it counted.

If Jerry or Hood are available, they should be the pick. Defense and also O-line are more important than WR. They can get a WR in later rounds, but without a solid defense to get the ball back or a solid Oline to block for Addai and Manning, it will be a replay of last year.

The Colts played against nickel defenses a lot last year and still couldn’t run the ball because Addai was playing like crap. Your logic is extremely flawed.

A great WR does not force a defense to play in a different package than an average WR in the same spot would.

Addai can’t run because the line couldn’t block for him much of the time and because when the line did block for him, he forgot to take off his ruby slippers before dancing towards the general direction of the hole that was made for him.

Don’t forget that Marvin was on the team last year and that did nothing to help the run.

we disagree because I think Nicks is more valuable that you and KR do.

that he’ll be ready for next year. It has been said that for a running back, it takes a year to recover from the injury, and another year to get to 100%. The organization loves Lance Ball and Chad Simpson and can’t really afford to keep a still recovering RB.

He could possibly be cut in training camp, though I hope he isn’t.

Mike Hart in 5 carries last year ran with more power and heart then Joseph Addai did the whole year.

and if

Oline is and will ALWAYS be more valuable than skill positions.

and anyone who has ever coached or played knows it why will skill position player be taken over the linemen you are talking about?

I agree. Football is won and lost up front. I thought we addressed O line last year picking three of them throughout the draft. DT is a def. need and msut be addressed.

11 players I’d take over Nicks. 6 linemen (3OL/3DL), 2 LBs, a DB and two better WRs.

11 of my top 15 were defense or OL

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/3/30/813803/colts-draft-board-by-shake

This isn’t skill position vs OL, this is Mack and Duke vs Nicks.

My point exactly!

I think that Addai and Hart can carry the load. I don’t know that we can afford an unproven rookie on our roster.

I’m not trying to pile up on anyone here, but it’s hard to argue with this statement:

That’s just not true man. Look back at the 2006 season, and compare that to the 2008.

Dom’s stats during 2006: 187 attempts, 641 yards, 3.4 average.
Addai’s was: 226 attempts, 1081 yards, 4.8 average.

Now, both of these guys ran behind the same o-line, which according to everyone here was "perfectly fine." Addai clearly out performed Dom in all categories. Now let’s compare their stats from 2008:

Dom’s stats during 2008: 152 attempts, 538 yards, 3.5 average.
Addai’s was: 155 attempts, 544 yards, 3.5 avreage.

Obviously, both of these guys ran behind the same banged up, crappy o-line, but yet Dom’s stats were basically a mirror image of his 2006 stats. In fact, they were almost better. But now look at Addai’s. Granted he had a lot less attempts, but his total yards and average were HORRIBLE! He clearly showed a huge drop-off, but yet Dom could produce the same?

you get all up in arms and put word in my mouth because I want one for a different reason (to pair with Addai instead of replacing him).

it stems from the BPA argument. If Jerry and Hood are both gone and G would be a reach I would not at all be opposed to drafting Nicks or trading down.

Again, my argument about WR in the first is this…

If it’s not Harvin, I don’t think we need him until later rounds. Harvin presents too many options and gameplanning problems for opposing defenses, including a possible dynamic return man, for this team to pass up (again if Hood or Jerry is not available).

Aaron freaking Moorehead filled in during the 06 playoffs and made solid contributions along the way while the Colts went on to win the SB. I know for a fact that Moorehead does not have first round talent. So, how in the world did they win the SB without having 10 1st round WRs on the roster??? Oh yeah, because they had a good defense that took pressure off of the offense. And to take it even further, I didn’t really like Cato June as a LB and Rob Morris was really just a fill in for an even worse LB so really the 2 biggest reasons why they won the SB is because they had a solid DT situation (Booger) and they could run the ball effectively. And a healthy Bob Sanders didnt hurt either.

So do you think he will wait until later rounds??

A big difference this year is that teams all over are switching to 3-4 defenses so they really aren’t looking at the same type of DT as the Colts are right now.

I think there is a great possibility that Jerry, Hood or even both are available at 27 but I obviously have no idea if Polian would draft DT in the 1st even if one was right there in front of him like that.

Many of the bad teams in the league are bad because they fall in love with glamour positions, try to grab a player that will only help sell tickets or ignore need and draft skill position only in the first round. Polian has been drafting skill position in the 1st round a lot too but he is a different animal. That said, I think there is a better possibility that guys like Harvin, Nicks, etc are gone before the DT prospects aside from Raji.

Just a guess.

This is the first year in a long time we’ve had so many heated debates over who or what should be drafted though.

til the draft. Not like im impatiently waiting or anything.

I dont ever want to hear about the day Manning retires.

Edge was a great back but always tired down toward the end of the season. Splitting carries allows our RB’s to remain fresh throughout the playoffs

but realistically, they won’t draft a HOF back at #27 or later. They’ll draft a back who is starting caliber, but won’t be able to handle a massive chunk of the carries all season.

Movie quote from?……….

Anchorman.

I think they should use Addai as a #2 back for several reasons that I explained above and don’t feel like explaining again. But I don’t think we need an Adrian Peterson type to be effective. The Vikings don’t have a great QB so they have to rely on the running game to have any offense at all. All we need is a solid guy that can hit holes, block when needed and catch passes when needed.

I’d take what’s in my opinion a better cart over in my opinion an inferior horse.

I’d love for a good horse to drop to Indy.

WR is intriguing because it is the shiny new toy. We all loved watching Peyton throw for 49 TD’s and we wouldn’t mind seeing a similar performance. But obviously if Jerry or Hood is available at #27, it is probably the smarter move.

I am under the impression that the Colts love Roy Hall so much because of his great special teams ability. He wasn’t just demoted there. I honestly don’t think he has really been meant to be used as a receiver much, more as a special teams ace like Darrell Reid.

He has all the physical tools to be a great receiver but he has huge character concerns. I don’t want a prima donna in the mold of TO or Chad “Ocho Cinco” on the Colts.

yeah it is kind of funny at the end since the decision will not even be ours. Our fate is in the hands of Bill Polian.

Do your thing Bill. In Polian we trust.