Would you cut Addai and replace him with Edge?

by KingRichard on Apr 30, 2009 7:17 AM EDT in Analysis Comment 57 comments

In the wake of Edge being cut by the Cardinals, an interesting thought popped up in my head last night as I was driving to pick up my new set of golf clubs. Would I be ok with the Colts cutting Addai and in turn signing Edge as the 1b running back? My first thought, to the surprise of many here, was no, I wouldn't. But the more I thought about it, the more I started to lean towards this actually being a pretty good idea.

Edge isn't washed up by any means. All of the intangibles Addai possesses, Edge does too and then some. Edge is a better runner of the ball than Addai. Granted, Edge isn't as explosive (not that he ever was) as he used to be, but as he showed in the playoffs last season, he can still run the ball and be very effective when called upon. So I leave it up to you.

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Would you cut Addai to sign Edge?

Yes, in a hearbeat!

60 votes

Maybe.

101 votes

Hell no! You're nuttier than squirrel turds KR!

382 votes

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by MARVININDY on Apr 30, 2009 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

I wouldn't cut Addai..

But I would be up for a three headed monster in the backfield. All three backs bring something different. Addai in passing/long yardage situations, Brown as a workhorse to move the chains on long drives, and Edge for short yardage/grind it out drives. We have ~7M in cap space right or am I wrong there. We should have enough to bring him in if we want right?

by bbxxj on Apr 30, 2009 7:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The 7.something million in cap space was prior to the draft and the free agents we just signed. It will be substantially less here pretty soon. If I were to guess though, I’d say they go into the regular season with around $3-4 million in cap space. They usually end up signing at least one free agent during the season.

Also, I agree that your idea of a 3 headed monster is the best scenario. I was going to include the options of choosing whether or not to cut Hart and Ball for Edge too, but decided not to because this scenario is a bit more controversial.

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by KingRichard on Apr 30, 2009 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

While I have a thurogh understanding of how baseball salary structure works I have to admit im not really up on the times on how salaries count to the cap and how the cap works and such. But realistically if we add no other player, we could make a acceptable offer for Edge, right? Would he really stand to make 3+ mil? If he was brought in I would definately cut Ball or move him to the PS or however that works.

by bbxxj on Apr 30, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m sure if the Colts wanted to they could work out a deal with him yeah.

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by KingRichard on Apr 30, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha

I can only assume you are joking.

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by deshawn zombie on Apr 30, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

Tell Demond I said hi.

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by KingRichard on Apr 30, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edge looking for more

Since whatever contract Edge signs next will likely be his last he is going to be looking for something more than the one year contract the Colts would likely offer him. Even if Polian could work out a deal that would be under the cap, I doubt very much that it would be for more than one year – and I just don’t think Edge would settle for that.

But, all reality of it actually happening aside – I think it’s a great idea and would replace Addai with Edge in a heartbeat!

by the_iowa_hawkeye on Apr 30, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn't mind it, but

I think Edge is going to have several offers on the table very soon from other teams and the Colts wont be able to compete with the dollars unless he agrees to a lesser payday here. Also, I think in his mind he should still be a #1 back so he wouldn’t come here to be the 2nd or 3rd guy.

I don’t especially like Addai that much, but he and The Donald should be a good combination.

I would like to see Chad Ocho Cinco traded to a team that already has a #85 on the roster. Then, I would like to see #85 refuse to give up his jersey number to Chad Ocho Cinco. That would make my day....

by AceOfSpades on Apr 30, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Assuming Brown receives most of the carries, which I think he will.

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by KingRichard on Apr 30, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is quite possibly the stupidest thing i've ever read on this site

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

lol

Mission accomplished.

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by KingRichard on Apr 30, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well in that case

congratulations

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by indy15 on Apr 30, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

+2

by coltsfanawalt on Apr 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

and I feel stupider for getting sucked in again

I’m swearing off online Addai debates til October (although I’m sure the debates will rage up again after the first full series in the regular season)

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

With fans like these, who needs enemies?

by LukeM on Apr 30, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

exactly

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

im going to take a quote from Deshawn Zombie over at 18to88 for this

* All this has happened before; all this will happen again. The vitriol toward Joseph Addai has always been unwelcome here at 18to88, but only this weekend did I realize why it seemed so eerily familiar to me. Tell me if this scenario sounds familiar:

A young running back has an excellent rookie year, and starts his second season out strong. Then as injuries begin to mount on the offensive line, the running back’s production sags. He suffers a couple of nagging injuries, and has a stretch of 22 straight games without going over 100 yards. He finally gets 101 late in his 3rd season, before going another 11 games without breaking the century mark. Fans begin to question his ‘toughness’ and why he always seems to have nagging injuries. He is accused of dancing too much and not having a ‘downhill’ running style, like his popular back up who wasn’t a highly paid first round pick.

For everyone who rushes to rip on Addai now, I beg you to please remember the case of one young Marshal Faulk. I’m not saying that Addai is Faulk…NO ONE can be Faulk, but all the charges now being leveled at Addai are the same ones people heaped on Faulk. It was crazy talk then, and it’s crazy talk now.

by metal_militia on Apr 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

i saw that the other day

and it just goes to show what happens when you start making proclamations about a player’s ability declining prematurely. We can only hope that Addai turns into the great RB that is easily within his potential.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

That post is garbage...

And the reason it is because… the Colts trade Faulk away because he didn’t match their offense and got a better player in Edge. Also, lets remember that Faulk was a “system player.” He could only be highly succesful in the spread offense that St. Louis used. I think Addai is similar in that regard but is obviously less talented than Faulk.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 30, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

except he was talking about Faulk's first 3 years

and the next two, both with the Colts, were improved. He averaged over 1,800 yards from scrimmage, 4 yards/carry, and 9 TD’s.

the point was simply that both Faulk and Addai started off with a good year and a half, had a bad year and a half and then had people writing them off. Then, Faulk became the player we all remember him to be (while still on the Colts). And so, it might be too early to write off Addai as a good RB for the Colts

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

Also Deshawn fails to mention

That Faulk was on a bad TEAM when he played his last year in Indy. Their was no Oline, no defense and no passing game. Teams would stack the line against Faulk. Addai… well NO ONE stacks the line against Addai and he has Manning calling audibles for him. He has far fewer excuses than Faulk does.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 30, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually that's not true

The line was so bad in 2008 that teams stopped respecting the deep ball. How can you not remember this? Teams crowded the Colts on the line for the first time in almost a decade.

Manning’s YPA dropped by more than half a yard last year. The situations are actually extremely similar, the only real difference is that Manning covered it all up much better.

By the way, the years people were criticizing Faulk for was 1996. The Colts made the playoffs that year.

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by deshawn zombie on Apr 30, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Its the cap hit...

We’d take a hit for cutting Addai… so therefore I don’t think its worth it.

by MasterRWayne on Apr 30, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it wouldn't be that bad

He only had a $500,000 bonus and he’s set to make $713,000 this year and 1.314 million next year.

I still say keep him, as glorious of a runner as edge was while in Indy I don’t think he’d live up to our expectations if we brought him back. If Edge gets desperate and wants a run with his old team then great, bring him in in addition to what we have. However, I don’t see him doing that as he was unhappy as the 2nd guy down in Arizona. With two young first round pick running backs I don’t think he’d plan on coming in here and taking most of the carries.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Apr 30, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hmm 70% support for Addai

that seems to be similar to a certain poll I remember that was supposedly biased.

Did KR bias the poll in favor of Addai too?

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on Apr 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shake

Do me one favor. Should Addai excel this year, “return to form,” or possibly even garner a Pro Bowl selection (which I’m not projecting). Please have more class than to post something like this.

Listening to King Richard on the podcast he sounds like a pretty intelligent guy with some reasonable opinions about the Colts and its draft. Unfortunately it doesn’t always transfer well to type and that post made my respect for KR drop A LOT. That said, I’m over it. I just don’t want to see more of that from anyone about anything on this board if I can help it.

by bamock on Apr 30, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can do that

as much as I would enjoy a “HAHA SUCK IT” post. I’ll do my best to remember this.

by shake n bake on Apr 30, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

by coltsfanawalt on Apr 30, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think the Colts are the type of organisation that cuts first round draft picks after 3 seasons to sign a veteran who just got cut and replaced with a young first round draft pick.

Edge may still have something to offer an NFL side, but it won’t be us.

by eltharion_doa on Apr 30, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

And I don’t think they’re the type to bring in a veteran who would cost anything more than the minimum just to make a splash. Don’t get me wrong, I dreamed of this scenario all off-season, but it was an Addai/James tandem, not a Brown/James tandem. Nothing against Brown, either, he reminds me of Robert Smith and I think he’s got a good future ahead of him. But as for James, history suggests that this team will not take this route.

Dom Rhodes was the obvious exception. He was obviously a frugal pick-up, having just come off of a value-crushing season in Oakland. Plus he NEVER carried the star-caliber price tag that James did/does; he’s simply not the same pedigree of running back.

So while I think an Addai/James backfield could have been fun, now that they drafted Brown, I don’t think the cost/benefit makes any sense.

by LukeNukem on Apr 30, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

KR you sould understand what affect your "attitude" has on the success of the site.

You seem like a smart guy, so would I think you might want to consider what affect your “zealousness” has on this site. To me you come across as an Indy version of a Pats fan. Mostly full of bluster but with enough nuggets of insight to sometimes make you worth reading. That isn’t all bad, but the problem is that since you became a front page poster your attitude quotient has gone off the charts and your approach to this topic in particular has pushed me to be a less frequent viewer of SB.

Some of the controversy you stir might actually help in the short term but I believe it has a long term detrimental affect. This board is one of the best because it brings such a large diverse crowd of reasonably knowledgeable and intelligent Colts fans. Your attitude and near abuse lately have diminished that value. I don’t think BBS and the others who have put in so much effort to make this a top Colts blog want to have you driving “customers” away. Especially with a great new resource on the market in Oehser’s blog.

Keep your personality in things but you need to tone it down a notch. But do a lot of us a favor and at least take it from “11” to 9, especially when you are posting to the front page.

by Rob-Westside on Apr 30, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs

right

It’s great to share opinions and to disagree and we all do that here. It’s not so great to get in people’s (virtual) faces over issues that have been thoroughly debated a million times through. I’ll still be here many times a day but it’s going to be harder to get into discussions on hot-button topics if I know it’s going to turn into a screaming match.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Devils Advocate

I actually love the opinions and controversy. If all of us had the same opinion and just replied to each others comments with “agreed” or “+1” the site would be too boring.

Plus, now is the best time IMO to have different opinions and argue about stupid stuff like this that none of us have any control over anyways because it’s the offseason and there’s nothing else to do right now except wait until camp starts.

I think you are all just suffering from Colts withdrawal. It will be okay, the season will get started before you know it. And, if you can’t wait, get NFL network because every Sunday they do NFL replays and the Colts have been on it 5-6 times so far so it is fun to review the games again and see how things will (hopefully) be different this year.

by AceOfSpades on Apr 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no one minds the difference of opinion

it’s the condescending attitude and constant put-downs to anyone who disagrees. it could be a little more civil around here

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on Apr 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

KR = Kravitz?

KR has the Bob Kravitz effect on you guys….

anyone who doesn’t know who Bob Kravitz is, just go to www.indystar.com/sports and browse through his often controversial writings.

by AceOfSpades on Apr 30, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

funny comparison

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on May 1, 2009 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Every time the Colts have played the KC Chiefs in the playoffs, they have gone on to at least the AFC Championship game.

by Cassieper on May 1, 2009 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well said, Rob, but... comparing anything to a Pats fan...?

That’s just in poor taste. The final Spinal Tap reference did not quite erase the stain of a Pats parallel in my mind.

MRW said above that Edge and Faulk were different types of players (“Faulk didn’t fit their offense”) but I cannot see how. Faulk was not yet known as the guy you could put in the slot for TGSOT and his rushing/receiving production were statistically similar to Edge the next two years—they both led their conferences in total scrimmage yards with Edge making it roughly 1,600 Rush and 600 Rec and Faulk closer to 1,200/1,100. Both were multifaceted, non-bruiser backs who could hurt you a few different ways. I don’t recall that Faulk was bad at blitz pick-up, but that might be a way in which he did not fit the Colts plans. Of course Edge as a rookie was also not the pass blocking RB we knew from 2004, either. Remember, we are comparing the RBs as of 1998/1999, now how we came to know them later.

How else did Faulk NOT fit and Edge DID fit? (and was that last sentence even English?)

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by Bobman on May 3, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I stopped reading as soon as the thread turned exactly how I knew it would

What’s the point of even putting this shit up when it’s clearly written to start an argument where you can start insulting someone?

I’ll argue with the best of them, but the argument was “we need to draft a back to help Addai” and well, we drafted a back in the 1st round. But apparently drafting a back to help him isn’t as far as you want to keep pushing it. You obviously won’t be happy until Addai is cut or traded. I’d suggest you stop posting anything in relationship to Addai. We know you don’t like him and we know you think he sucks ass, move on.

I agree with Rob-Westside and psvirsky, I’m finding it difficult to find a reason to read your threads when I already know how they’re going to turn out. And I simply can’t understand why MRW is even an editor on this site. At least it takes a couple posts for Richard to get worked up. MRW just comes out like he’s an internet badass right off the bat. You guys can argue with me all you want, you’re not going to hurt my feelings. But what you are going to hurt is people coming onto this site offering fresh opinions and having it grow when all they get is “You’re a retard for thinking that!”. And since it pretty much all stems for some underlying spite towards Addai, do everyone a favor and just don’t bring him up anymore. It was annoying 3 months ago, now it’s obnoxious and pissing quite a few people off.

I normally remain neutral and don’t care if you attack my arguments or have a good point, but now you’re going after everyone in an extremely defensive condescending way if they dare to disagree with Addai being the shittiest back in the league. I’m just trying to help you out. You don’t have to agree with my opinion, and I can take the argument, but if you don’t realize what you’re doing because you’re getting overly emotional while you’re typing, that’s a problem.

Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.

by monstersbox on Apr 30, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

+1

I dont understand why people hate a 3 year pro RB…………….who went to the Pro bowl and rushed for over 1000 yards………..twice……thank God Manning didn’t have a below average season last year. It would have been “grab your tourches and pitch forks”. lol

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

by colts9318rock on Apr 30, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

up to and (for some) including the 2006 season and beyond, people all over Indy STILL think that #18 should be traded!!!

Some people have opinions and are stubborn about it and you can’t convince them to change their mind no matter what you do.

AND I think that’s part of what makes sports great….the ultimate reality show.

by AceOfSpades on Apr 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep. I know exactly what you mean.

My current Econ teacher (who was previously my World Geography teacher and my Current Events teacher) STILL thinks that we should trade Peyton and start Sorgi. He claims that all that Peyton cares about is his own stats, and every week during the season (and this is 3 years of me having him as a teacher), he would look for and try to pull out evidence and specific plays to “prove” that Peyton cared more about his stats than winning. His favorite one to use was in the 2005 Pittsburgh playoff game, when Peyton threw those 2 incomplete passes right before Vandy kicked the ball to Michigan.

So, before the Colts won the Super Bowl, his favorite claim was, “The Colts will never win a Super Bowl with Peyton. I hope that I’m wrong, but I’m not.” Then, after the Colts won it all, he changed the tune to, “Great, I was wrong; they won. Now trade Peyton.”

Arguing with people like him whose opinion is completely entrenched is pointless. At that point, no amount of evidence or logic will persuade him to believe otherwise. We, as humans, ultimately believe what we want to believe.

And that is my deep thought for the day.

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Every time the Colts have played the KC Chiefs in the playoffs, they have gone on to at least the AFC Championship game.

by Cassieper on May 1, 2009 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

if i remember right, the first of those incomplete passes in 05 was nearly a game winning TD pass. the other one, and the kick afterwards, was terrible and really explained it all when it came down to trying to rationalize how the Colts lost that game….it just shouldn’t have happened but it did anyways.

i hate thinking about 05 but i keep coming back to it and then i cry myself to sleep again.

by AceOfSpades on May 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs