Why isn't Mathis starting? (and why it's a good thing)
Robert Mathis started only 2 games this past season. Pro Bowl defensive end Robert Mathis started 2 games. He played in 15. Josh Thomas started 3! Why is the player who has led the team in sacks 4 straight years no longer in the starting lineup?
Lets look at the last 5 seasons to find out
| Year | Starts (Played) | Sacks | Sack per game |
| 2004 | 1 (16) | 10.5 | .656 |
| 2005 | 0 (13) | 11.5 | .885 |
| 2006 | 16 (16) | 9.5 | .594 |
| 2007 | 12 (13) | 7.0 | .538 |
| 2008 | 2 (15) | 11.5 | .767 |
Mathis' productivity (as a pass rusher) decreased significantly when he was the full time LE. You don't usually expect a player to be less productive if he plays more, but it's not surprising that a 245lb DE gets worn down and beaten up playing every down.
Raheem Brock picked up the starts, putting together a DL high 15 between LE and DT. Brock was the starting LE for 2004 and 2005 with Mathis playing the specialist. This past season was a return to that arrangement after 2 seasons of Brock playing mostly inside.
With Josh Thomas gone and a young corps of DTs (with hopefully another couple on the way) Brock is likely remaining at LE to absorb run downs, both improving the run D when he's on the field and the pass D when a fresh Mathis comes onto the field. Whether Brock's free time will continue to be spent sliding inside or if he'll take Josh Thomas' role of spelling Freeney instead remains to be seen, either way Indy appears to have desided the old way of utilizing both Mathis and Brock was best.
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But I’d rather have Mathis on the field the entire time, except for goal line situations and improve our DTs so he doesn’t have to take the punishment and tire himself out. His ball instincts (fumble recovery etc) and play recognition is phenomenal. That’s one of my cornerstones for my DT argument. The DT just wouldn’t improve the run D, you’d see Mathis and Freeney’s contributions skyrocket. I agree that right now being a specialist is best, but adding good prospect DTs might change that.
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by monstersbox on Apr 6, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great argument. I never really thought of things that way. Freeny and Mathis would be better than what they already are now…scary thought
by ushoe on Apr 6, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Mathis and Freeney are playing like elite T2 DEs. They’re doing exactly what you want, no matter the down, from DEs playing on a T2 team. The fact that we had to start Brock, and rotate as many players over Mathis has more to do with the inefficiency of our DTs than it does with Mathis getting worn out. He’s getting worn out because he’s facing constant double teams and trying his best to get around them. You add a UT and/or UT (preferably and) that demands a double team, now you leave the ends on one on one situations and I promise, Mathis won’t be nearly as worn out trying to move two guys, and our run defense will be awesome. Run defense in a T2 isn’t the same run defense as most schemes. Our run defense is completely dependent upon our D line getting into the backfield and either making a tackle behind the LoS, or causing their RB to change directions and allow the LBs to have that split second to react. Our LBs are completely reactionary. Without DTs that can penetrate and avoid being slapped out of the way like a 265 DT does going up against a 300-350 lb guard, your LBs are going to be much less efficient. And they were.
You may not even see big numbers from the DTs. Maybe 3-5 sacks, 30-40 tackles, nothing big. But what they’re doing, is those DTs are keeping pace with how far behind the line the DEs are. What teams were exploiting on our run defense, wasn’t really running up the middle. What was happening is our DEs would do exactly what they were supposed to (behind about 5 yards behind the line closing on the QB while fighting double teams constantly) and our DTs would be stuffed by pretty much a center and a guard. So you have our DTs waaaay up there at the line, and our DEs are back there closing on either the QB or the RB. Then all that would happen is their back would make one cut and boom. No chance for our LBs to react and you haven’t even slowed down his momentum, so he’s actually going faster than he would be going through the line. You know what happens to tackling if you’re backpedaling and trying to stop someone going full stride as opposed to having to make his cut later or breaking a tackle? Yeah, it goes to crap, which is exactly what happened. Our LBs are “normally” supposed to initially drop back in coverage and create a zone. Unless it’s a run blitz, which we rarely did, or it’s clearly going to be a running play, our LBs were normally not supposed to be going forward. So you have a LB, whose weight is going backwards, attempting to move forward and stop a guy that hasn’t been slowed down. I think you get the picture.
And that’s why Mathis, in our defensive scheme is a better DE, no matter what down it is, than Brock. Brock isn’t as fast as Mathis. What would happen is the more athletic RTs would be able to at least slow him, which would create the opportunity to run a stretch play towards the strong side of their line. Brock was always supposed to be a UT, and he actually might still be able to be a decent one with a viable option at DT next to him. A viable option with a great bull rush, because that’s the best move of a NT in a T2. And who has a great bull rush? Peria Jerry. Gilbert actually has a really good one too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwJrEOtk41M
1:30 and 1:45 specifically.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
by monstersbox on Apr 6, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on the money
Two quality tackles would make the life of both ends much easier. I really hope they address the quality of their DT’s in the fist two rounds of the draft. I also agree that Brock would be a good UT if he had a good NT next to him. I really the liked the line up back in 06 with Mathis, Brock, Booger, and Freeny, they were ok.
anyways nice job
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by BetterD on Apr 6, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Stuff
I agree that he should be used as a specialist and I like the idea of Brock as a DE on 1st and 2nd downs or as needed.
by AceOfSpades on Apr 6, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think I'd agree with that...
The problem with Mathis/Freeney tiring out and having their productivity suffer from time is directly correlated to having poor production and command of OL attention on the inside. Imagine a NT/UT requiring a chip at least from OTs, requiring a TE/RB chip block on Freeney/Mathis a larger portion of the time. Mathis would disrupt running plays by penetrating and would most certainly increase his production (scary) as a pass rusher as well. Either way, specialist or full-timer with much improved DT play, Mathis is a freak.
by bamock on Apr 6, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
spot on
Mathis should only play on third down. The average right tackle these days outweighs him by 80 pounds. He can’t stand up to that play-in and play-out.
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by jerrynyc on Apr 6, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff as always shake and monstersbox
I actually like the move back to DE for Brock, but am not opposed to the idea of moving hm back to UT with two competent DT’s as monstersbox suggested. A better rotation in the middle would not only take a load off for freeney and maths, but will also finally allow the colts to truly utilize Marcus Howard as he had little playing time last year due to our weak crop of DT’s/
by metal_militia on Apr 7, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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