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LB signing another change in philosophy?

So the Colts have signed free agent LB Tyrell Sales from Penn State:

 

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090502/SPORTS03/905020441/1058/SPORTS03

 

Sales had two off-the-field altercations while at PSU, and has had a recent DUI. Regardless of any potential impact on the roster, I thought it was interesting that the Colts signed a repeat offender (and we all remember how the last Penn State repeat offender worked out).

 

This would seem to signal a little more leniency about character issues from Caldwell than we have seen over the past few years from Dungy. And if so, is this a good or bad thing? Mind you, I'm not advocating signing the likes of POS Michael Vick or anything. But when Ed Johnson was cut I remember thinking, "Damn that was stupid of him. But at the same time, polls show that anywhere from 60% to 70% of the country has smoked weed. And he didn't hurt anybody, or intend to. Why should he lose his job when Ray Lewis still has one?"

 

I know, I know, he was on a short leash. And he should have known better. But now we see that the same Dungy who cut Big Ed is trying to help rehabilitate Michael Vick. Does this bother anybody else? 

 

Bottom line: is this a random occurrence or could it show a more lenient approach to players. And ultimately, is this a good thing or not?   

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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I hope they hold this kid to the same standard as Big Ed

I would hope that the integrity of Polian and Irsay holds true. 1 and done with this kid, same as Ed Johnson. He was a dumb@$$ for blowing his shot with the Colts and no one has touched him since. If you want to be a professional athlete, be a professional. You’re already an athlete.

by GoHorse88 on May 2, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think so too

i’m sure they will take his history into account and, if he makes the team, they will put a one and done rule into his contract or whatever they do in order to be able to release him if he gets in trouble again.

"Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose."

by AceOfSpades on May 3, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My take on the Ed situation

Marijuana is an issue to the Colts because it’s an issue to the league. If a guy can get suspended by the league for something, I don’t care how you feel personally, you don’t want you players doing it.

So when Ed did something that’s a serious issue (whether because of the Colts or the leagues opinion) after his track record in college, he had to go. He knew it was something the league took seriously no matter how the team or the public feels about it.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on May 2, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The pot rule is stupid

And the league, as well as this country, is stupid for enforcing it. Look I don’t smoke marijuana, but I have before and I can honestly say that I see it as no more harmful than smoking. Now of course its not something anyone should encourage, but like smoking and drinking it is a personal decision that adults have the right to make. The American public is way ahead of the NFL and the politicians on this one. Its time to do the right thing and admit that this is not a crime nor should it be a league violation.

by MasterRWayne on May 2, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but as long as it is a league violation

you have to make it a big deal.

I got Summer hatin' on me cuz I'm hotter than the sun. Spring hatin' on me cuz I ain't never sprung
Winter hatin' on me cuz I'm colder than Y'all. And I will never, I will never, I will never Fall.
-Lil Wayne, Mr. Carter

by shake n bake on May 2, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Herold and Kumar

great movie………..1 and 2. Its about these topics, Long live Neil Patrick Harris

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

by colts9318rock on May 2, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally disagree

None of us know all the details regarding Ed Johnson’s situation. There could have been a lot to it. However, if he was cut just for smoking pot then the Colts are extremely unjust and immoral for doing that to him. I know there are league rules and blah blah blah, but for real smoking pot is NO BIG DEAL. Its certainly nothing to get fired over and just because its been corporate practice to fire people over it doesn’t make it right. Its also been “corporate practice” to hand out bonuses to executives who suck at their jobs.

by MasterRWayne on May 2, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be bad team management...

To keep a guy on the roster who violates the league substance abuse policy when he was explicitly told “one strike and you’re out.”

It would be bad team management to keep a guy on the roster who, through his violation of the league’s substance abuse policy, demonstrates that he is either incapable or unwilling to handle himself in such a way off the field that his teammates can count on him being available on game day. (suspensions – jail time)

That said, I too think it was a harsh punishment for the crime but a necessary one. However, I have already suggested that re-signing Ed Johnson should be considered because there is no doubt that he has been put on notice that the Colts front office is serious when they say one strike in your out. I don’t know if it is necessary anymore but making bone-headed decisions like Johnson did, which resulted in his release, carries the risk of cutting your NFL career short.

In this case, the Colts addressed their DT needs twice in the draft and it makes no sense to re-sign him at this point with his “baggage.” If another team chooses to I won’t insult them for being immoral or supporting drug use. But I won’t feel sorry for Johnson either, who made his own bed in this deal.

by bamock on May 3, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not bad management...

Listen, the issue here is the league rule which is wrong and immoral. Smoking pot is not the business of the Colts or the league. If Johnson or anyone else plays bad because they “toke it up” too much then they should be fired because of their performances not because of the act itself.

What is next with this that the league and teams should police? Too much food can be bad for a player, but teams do not fire players because they ate a few hot dogs. Now if they show up fat and out of shape well yeah then you can fire them and that is justifiable, but to fire them over the act of eating itself is just dumb. The same goes for Marijuana, alcohol, smoking, not sleeping enough… etc. Its immoral to police the individual actions. Frankly its kind of “fascist” if you ask me.

In Ed’s case I think there was more to it than just marijuana. It sounds like the incident was more troubling in other areas. However, like I said earlier if Johnson was a model player for over a year and then was caught smoking pot (and that’s all it was, nothing more) and was cut just for that alone… well that’s bad management and its cruel. I understand and respect the “one strike” rule, but to me smoking pot is not a “strike.” Its dumb for the league and the Colts to think it is and shows just how far behind the times they really are.

by MasterRWayne on May 3, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully this will clear things up...

The Colts were operating based on actual NFL policy, not what you, I, or they think the policy should be. As NFL rules are today, it is my contention that the Colts actions were appropriate. Acting otherwise would not make Johnson any less likely to get suspended or make him any more reliable for the team. A different response would not have increased the likelihood that Johnson would not violate the league’s substance abuse policy again, costing the Colts team its starting DT for an unspecified period of time, AT an unspecified period of time, which could cost the team a win, the division, the playoffs, or maybe even a Super Bowl. Had the Colts management handled Johnson differently it would not have increased the likelihood that his teammates could count on him when they needed him most, on the football field on Sundays. Those are the facts, based on league policies the Colts management does not control, set, or otherwise dictate. Given those facts, given the risks involved with Johnson’s off-the-field lifestyle and how it could have affected the team on-the-field, it was the right thing to do.

Now, if the league policy should be different, if that is what you are arguing, that is fine. In my mind, though, using that belief to pass judgment on the team, its management, and its decision to handle Johnson the way it did weakens the argument. In short, you are attacking the Colts based on what you think they think when the real issue is what the Colts did based on what actually is: possession of marijuana is illegal, a violation of NFL substance abuse policies, punishable by suspension or even expulsion from the league, and extremely unpopular amongst the Colts fan base (the ones who pay money to build new stadiums, for season-tickets, and Colts memorabilia). Good or bad decision based on those facts? I say good.

Now for the deeper moral issue underlying the NFL policy. For what it is worth, I admire the Colts organization and the NFL for protecting the integrity of the game by refusing to be associated with players who abuse drugs (marijuana is illegal). I do not admire them because I think marijuana is evil or immoral but because I think professional sports is more than just a stage for great athletes to play games. Professional sports rely upon the support of fans (the public) to survive and for these athletes to earn a ridiculous living. The public, by and large, does not support the use of illegal drugs, condone the selling or buying of illegal drugs, and the majority of the NFL fan base have families who want to play sports and who are influenced by their professional athlete heroes and look up to them as role models.

If the NFL, or the Colts, handle abuse of illegal drugs by professional athletes passively, it must accept the image it is projecting to its fans and those who look up to their heroes most (kids); that abusing illegal drugs is 1) not a big deal and 2) will not keep them from living their dream of becoming professional athletes. Most importantly, fans are aware that abusing illegal drugs or being caught in possession of illegal drugs is criminally punishable, ie. people can go to jail, families can be ripped apart, and lives can be ruined. However, not for professional athletes. Naw, so long as they are not thrown in jail, the NFL and the Colts do not have any problem paying them hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for the privilege of competing in professional athletics, becoming famous, and impacting the lives of kids growing up who want to “be like them.” That is a pretty irresponsible approach and ultimately would most likely lead to the degradation or destruction of the league as we know it.

All that said, I have already stated that in my mind, the Colts have made it very clear that Johnson’s behavior will not be tolerated, that the they were serious with the one strike and you are out policy and would not have any problem with them re-signing Ed Johnson for competition over the summer. Why? Because I think they have handled the issue appropriately and agree with you that the offense, possession of marijuana, is not so horrible that he should not be given the opportunity to try “one last time” to make it in the NFL. I do not think the integrity of the league would be in jeopardy or that the Colts or the NFL would be hypocritical to give Johnson another chance, so long as he serves out the one-game suspension the league has handed down.

Hopefully that clears it up. Again, I respect your position and understand where you’re coming from. However, as the policy is the policy, I think the Colts handled Johnson appropriately.

by bamock on May 3, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MRW,

You can’t get arrested for eating too much food. Whether you agree with it or not, smoking pot is largely illegal just as selling it and posessing it is.

Part of it is the the Colts are a product of the city of Indy and have to represent it that way too. The city is very conservative many of the people of Indy are not as open minded about various different social issues as I would like them to be. Kind of old fashioned (too old fashioned a lot of the time) it seems, but that’s the way it is.

"Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose."

by AceOfSpades on May 3, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that

Santonio Holmes (Steelers) was caught with pot cigars during the season last year and his case is still being handled in the courts if I heard right. I’m not sure about how the league is going to handle it, if they do anything, but apparently the Steelers are giving him the benefit of the doubt as of now…

"Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose."

by AceOfSpades on May 3, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont understand

why people do drugs and alcohol when the world is layed out in front of them. Its sad and a waste of talent. I guess it is to tempting for them to try because if I was in their shoes I would staying as far away from that shit as I possibly could. But if they absolutly have to they should follow the principle “use, don’t abuse”. God knows what a help Big Ed could have been to the Colts O-line last year.

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

by colts9318rock on May 2, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

'coz it's fun

NFL players aren’t magical superhuman robots with no desires apart from to PLAY FOOTBALL except for maybe Peyton.

People make choices. Some of them are good, some of them are bad. You don’t suddenly make better choices because you’re a pro footballer and make lots of money – in fact, if you’re a bit of an idiot to start with, you probably make worse choices. Or at least more bad choices.

by eltharion_doa on May 3, 2009 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully...

We can get back to the topic of the thread. I apologize ctnyc. Sorry we have gone off in another direction.

by bamock on May 3, 2009 3:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's all good

FWIW, I think that marijuana should be legalized. It’s a dumb law. Many dumb laws have been overturned over the years (including alcohol being illegal), I hope the day will come. However it is illegal, and therefore a professional athlete should be punished like anybody else in accordance with the law. I think it’s too bad that Johnson lost his livelihood over what is a dumb law, but what are you gonna do? I think you’re probably right that it was good management to stick to the terms of a player’s employment; it’s a shame that the terms were violated by a rather arbitrary and antiquated infraction.

At any rate, and in regard to my original intent with this thread, I would have been surprised if the Dungy-led Colts had signed a guy with multiple infractions on his resume (remember that it took an endorsement from JoePa to sign Big Ed). So I wonder if the standards might be loosening a little. Too early to tell probably, but does this signing strike anybody else as a potential departure from the somewhat puritanical Dungy era?

by ctnyc on May 4, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh...

It could be a sign of a minor change in recruiting prospects. The reason I say minor is because he wasn’t a draft pick, just an UDFA and unless he proves as immediately valuable to the team as a player like Johnson did (which I highly doubt), losing him at any point is not likely to hurt the team. In fact, I would be extremely surprised if he makes it past the first or second cut down. He should consider himself the luckiest player picked up this season if he makes the practice squad. Now, if he proves to be a difference-maker as a rookie, who will play a big role on the team (even if just on special teams), keeping him around would be something of a surprise.

by bamock on May 4, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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