Tony Dungy pens SI article asking for NFL to give Michael Vick a second chance in the NFL
Even though he is retired, and he has likely coached his last game, Tony Dungy is still very much in the news. In fact, whenever Tony Dungy opens his mouth to talk about anything, people stop and listen. The man has, quite amazingly, transcending his legendary NFL coaching status. Dungy is now becoming more of a social and cultural icon, not just a great football head coach and game innovator.
One of the side effects of Dungy's new-found status is how we, as Colts fans, focus on our team while Dungy uses his impressive credentials to champion social causes he believes in. In many ways, his speeches and efforts to bring awareness will distract from what we really come here to talk about: Football. So, just because everyone else jumps up and raises an eyebrow when Dungy talks doesn't mean I will.
I love Tony Dungy. I think he is a great coach, person, and an important individual in the grand tapestry that is NFL lore. However, he is no longer coach of the Colts, and my personal preference at this time is to listen to what Jim Caldwell talks about, not Tony Dungy.
So, all that said, the one post-Colts Tony Dungy adventure I will comment on a bit is his recently penned Sports Illustrated article regarding Michael Vick. As many of you know, Coach Dungy visited Vick in prison, and has made efforts to reach and and help him transition from prison life to the sure-to-be media circus that will surround him post-prison. One segment from Dungy's article caught my attention:
In the two hours we spent together, Michael and I learned a lot about each other, and we made a commitment to stay in touch after he is released. When I left the prison, I found myself thinking: What if Michael, who says his father was not a positive influence on his household when he grew up, had had the same family support system that [Tampa Bay rookie QB] Josh [Freeman] had? Would he have ended up in this situation? I really don't think so.That's one of the reasons I left the Colts a few months ago. People ask me all the time why I retired, and it wasn't from stress or burnout. In my mind I didn't retire from football as much as I was moving to something else. I wanted to do something to help the next generation of young people realize their potential. As a coach I was blessed to have developed a bond with many of my players. But I always felt that those who made it to the NFL were, for the most part, men who had gotten some good mentoring along the way. I wanted to reach out to young men who hadn't had the benefit of college and NFL environments.
Dungy seems to now be taking on the role of NFL mentor in his post-coaching career. As the article states, he is "keeping on eye on" Tampa Bay rookie Josh Freeman at the request of Freeman's parents. He's working to help Michael Vick. Don't be surprised if you see Dungy work with other troubled players (Pacman Jones?).
What Dungy seems to be doing is providing a "father figure" type role for many troubled young adults. As many have said, when you take a kid with no discipline but loads of talent and give him millions of dollars, bad things can happen. The road is littered with the dead bodies of many an NFL franchise as a result of talented but troubled players busting their pro careers. For many, they often lacked a mentor; someone to help them deal with the life stresses that come with working in the NFL and, in many cases, being in the limelight.
Enter, Tony Dungy.
So, from that perspective, I almost think Coach Dungy should have retired sooner, because this kind of work is, in many way, much more important than winning football games.
And, if you give a rat's ass what I think about Michael Vick, I'll tell you that I think what Vick did was both barbaric and near-unforgivable. You have to have something wrong with you mentally to enjoy watching two animals fight each other to death. I know some cultures celebrate it. Seriously, such cultures are bankrupt. No civilized, intelligent culture enjoys watching living things KILL each other for sport. If that offends people, I'm not sorry. There is a reason football is popular now and not human sacrifice or gladiatorial cage matches to the death.
We've evolved, both socially and intellectually. To what degree we have evolved is a different debate.
Still, despite his crimes, Michael Vick does indeed deserve a second chance to play in the NFL. Unlike last time, he will need to earn his keep. It will not be handed to him on a silver platter. Vick is, without question, one of THE most talented people this NFL has ever seen. Can you imagine him playing in the wildcat Offense! Holy crap!
With Dungy mentoring him, Vick might have a chance. I don't root for Vick, but I would not be upset if he returned to the NFL. I'm not so sure others feel the same.
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Second Chance
I agree with Tony on this issue. On first impulse, my usual reaction is that this guy had it all, and chose to throw it away. But after thinking about the whole picture, he was tried and convicted by a jury. He was sentenced by a judge, and was additionally dealt with by the NFL. Vick has a hard row to hoe in order to get back to earning a living in his chosen profession. In order to do it, and be successful, he will have to make changes in attitude and choices. If he does all this, then who am I to stand in judgement of him? It’s much easier to just toss the guy out and expect him to keep screwing up, but I guess it’s up to those watching to allow him to try to succeed, or try to keep him down by continuing to judge him only on his screwups. In my opinion, he will have it tough enough without outsider attitudes trying to keep him down. Mr. Dungy is a good example to model oneself after. It’s also a good idea not to throw rocks when one lives in a glass house.
Hey the Romans...
Certainly enjoyed killing animals, and people, for sport. That being said its not so much that Vick was caught “dog fighting” but rather that he ran this HUGE enterprise. In addition, the reports laid out just how brutal he was towards the animals. There is a difference between killing say a cow for food and then killing a dog by slamming its head into the concrete. Its tough to articulate, but there is a BIG moral difference between the two acts.
Anyone who claims Vick “deserves” or should be “given” a second chance needs to shut up, including Dungy. What’s so bad about making him EARN it? Just like he earned his way into the league the first time.
This isn’t even Vick’s first, second, third, fourth, or fifth offense. He’s had way too many screw ups in his past that makes it hard for be to believe he deserves anything.
You need to shut up dill hole!!
Can’t you come on here without being such a little brat? Vick will have to earn it. I presume he will probably play for minimum salary, and he won’t be the starter. He will have to work and play his way onto the field. He served the time the judge gave him and it is time to let him get on with his life. Make no mistake…I hate Vick with a passion…and if you doubt it just ask the 8 dogs that I own and train, but to denigrate anyone with a different opinion than you in the childish way you do it is pretty juvenile and you can shove it!! At least MasterRWayne has some substance behind his opinions.
Umm....
Ad Hominem attacks are not the best way to combat a “juvenile” opinion, to say the least. KR is just against the idea brought up by several commentators that he “deserves” a second chance. That seems to mean that a team should try him out, no matter what he did, to some people – myself included. I feel that there would be nothing wrong with a team giving Vick a second chance if he can take steps to show that he has made serious changes to his character and is dedicated to living a life focused on the right decisions to be a leader and/or contributor on the football field.
If he does that and a team decides to give him a shot, fine. I hope he is able to transform his life and become a good person and football player(and hopefully learn how to stand in the pocket and deliver the football). But if teams do not think he is worth taking a chance on, that is there right. Mike Vick has no metaphysical right to a job in the NFL. I believe that is all that KR was trying to communicate, though in his own unique way(correct me if I’m wrong Richard).
Oh, BTW, there is the UFL thisyear, maybe he could pay his debts off by being the marquee player for that league. Get a Beckham style deal. Just a thought….
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What the hell
do you think “given a second chance” means? Of COURSE he will have to “earn” his place on a roster just like anyone else. When people use the phrase “give him a second chance” NONE of them are suggesting that he be “given” a roster spot.
Chill out dude.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 21, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
I agree with you.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on May 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Personally I think he should be suspended for this year and then he has to earn his way back into the league.
what do you guys mean by earn his way into the league?
I don’t think anyone is saying the league should just put him on someone’s roster.
He’ll have to convince the Falcons to take him back, entice a team to trade for him, or workout for teams until someone signs him if the Falcons cut him.
He has to show
That he is serious. That why I say suspend him for this year. It fits the punishment model already in place and it gives him a year to show just how serious he is. Also, gives him time to do community service.
Right now there WILL be a team that takes Vick. No question about that. They will take him even if he hasn’t proven a thing.
I think keeping him out for another year is a great way to force him to desperately to something stupid
he’s 10-50 million dollars in debt. Cutting off his best way of earning a living and repaying his financial debts could drive him back to bad decisions (see Travis Henry running drugs).
He hasn’t repaid his debt to society in full yet, but now the best way to do it is to let him ply his skills so he can cover his loans and obligations. He’s done his time to the legal system, now I think him repaying his creditors should override any remaining public desire to inflict more punishment on him.
by shake n bake on May 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Googd points
Travis Henry is back in jail again, btw.
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Mr. Vick and his options
Maybe he could be an action star? His “condition” prevents his working in adult entertainment…
But seriously, if someone wants to sign him to thier team, by what legal justification do we deny it to him?
My point exactly Shake...
If he is truly sincere then he will stay clean for a year while he is suspended but under NO circumstances should Vick play this year. Give him a year’s suspension and if he remains clean and shows sincerity then Goodell should reinstate him.
As for his issues with his creditors that is Vick’s issue. Its no concern of the NFL which should only be concerned about justice. Vick’s $$$ problems are Vick’s problems alone.
Vick has missed his NFL time.
The past couple of seasons. He has served his time. Now can he earn a roster spot? Some teams won’t touch him with a ten foot pole, and those that would will need to be convinced that he is worth the money and negative attention that he will bring over his past. If he can overcome all that and make a roster/be productive this season, more power to him. He has hopefully learned.
Do people forget Vick was ever in jail?
He served his time for his crime. I don’t see why he should be suspended when he has already missed two years because of this. He deserved to go to jail, but this is the team that let Leonard Little, a murderer, back in the league.
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I wouldn't be so hard on Little
if he hadn’t gotten behind the wheel after drinking again in 2004 (was aquitted of DUI because the police screwed up the field sobriety tests and Little refused breathalyzer testing, so they couldn’t prove he was over the legal limit, but he admitted to drinking that night).
Once is a horrible horrible mistake, twice is a disregard for others and the consequences of your actions.
by shake n bake on May 21, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Mistake?
Little getting in a car and driving while intoxicated was not a “mistake”. It was a conscious decision made by a stupid man. He should’ve died that night, not the driver of the other car that he “mistakenly” hit.
While it sickened me the way these dogs were treated, this man has served his time and should not be denied the chance to somehow make a living. Maybe now, with the help of mentors like Dungy, he can stay on the straight and narrow and make amends for things he did in his “former” life when everything was handed to him on a silver platter.
mistake wasn't exactly the word I wanted
but I couldn’t come up with a better one for something that was clearly wrong, but not so much that doing it once is enough to write someone off as a person.
by shake n bake on May 21, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Michael Vick is a piece of shit
I was little more restrained when talking about this before, but what the hell. He “deserves” nothing other than to still be in jail, with many years left to go. I’d prefer a life sentence, but — as I’ve said before — I know most won’t agree with me.
As for playing in the NFL again, it is entirely up to the NFL. I hope he is not able to, but he almost assuredly will be. Let him dig ditches or work in a McDonald’s. I don’t care how much money he owes his creditors; that’s his fucking problem. Perhaps he should have thought about the consequences of his actions before he decided to attach electrodes to dogs’ genitals. He gets not an ounce of sympathy from me. This was not a one-shot bad decision (like drunk driving often is), it was a premeditated, long-running, psychopathic disgrace. I’m sorry he didn’t have a positive male role model, but millions are in the same boat and somehow manage not to brutally torture and kill dogs.
by ctnyc on May 22, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t believe the NFL owes Mike Vick anything. They handed him superstar status and a ton of money and what did he do? He flipped off his own fans, he lied repeatedly about the dog fighting thing in interviews, and was just an all around douche bag to everyone. I still don’t think Vick was sincere in his apology when he went to jail, and I don’t care what Dungy says about the guy. The only thing that anyone owes Vick is his release from jail now that his time has been served.
Dunno
Why people are getting all uptight over this, when (political) the previous govt. has happily sanctioned torture of suspected terrorists (keyword is suspected) and claim that they were the right interrogation techniques?
What Vick did was inhumane. But killing is killing whether for food or for sport. Anybody visit a chicken or cow farm recently?
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