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Peyton Manning sounds VERY annoyed with the Colts over the status of Indy's coaches

Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning seems annoyed with his golf game and the new coaching situations. (AP Photo/Chuck Burton)

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Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning seems annoyed with his golf game and the new coaching situations. (AP Photo/Chuck Burton)

It's rare when Peyton Manning voices his displeasure with the Colts. Very rare. Today, the very rare happened, and I can't say I blame Peyton for feeling a bit frustrated and annoyed:

The on-going uncertainty surrounding the Indianapolis Colts offensive coaching staff, coupled with a lack of communication regarding that uncertainty, isn't setting well with quarterback Peyton Manning.

"I can't tell you what's going on,'' Manning said during a break for one of the team's organized team activity sessions today at its Westside complex. "I will say I don't think it's been the most properly communicated scenario around here.''

That last sentence sounds like a not-too-thinly-veiled shot at Colts President Bill Polian, the man ultimately responsible for all communication inside and outside the organization. As a fan, I can say that I've been pretty annoyed with how this whole dumb thing has been communicated as well.

First, we were told Tom Moore and Howard Mudd were gone. We were then told Clyde Christensen and Pete Metzelaars would "assume the duties" of the offensive coordinator and offensive line coach, respectively, but not take the titles that go with those duties. I'm also assuming that both Christensen and Metzelaars would not get PAID for their new duties, which kind of sucks because coordinators make a helluva lot more than position coaches and (especially) assistant position coaches. Then, we hear from the owner himself that Mudd and Moore are returning, but we don't know when.  

If you think you are annoyed with this, imagine Manning's frustration.

He has been (I'm assuming) working with Clyde Christensen, who will likely be stripped of his "assumed duties" as the Offensive Coordinator the second Tom Moore gets back. So, that essentially means the work Manning is doing now has to get repeated all over again when Moore returns. It also undercuts any authority Christensen has. I mean, why the hell should Peyton listen to him when, in a week or a month or sometime soon, he won't have the OC's duties anymore? Why should the o-line listen to Metzelaars when they know (or, at least, assume) that ole Howard will return any day now?

It all makes for a confusing mess, which Manning is venting his frustrations about:

"It's not a situation that I'm just thrilled about,'' [Manning] said. "I think the communication has been pretty poor in my opinion. Somebody says one thing, then somebody else says another thing.

"I'm not sure everybody's on the same page in this building. I'm just trying to focus on playing quarterback well.''

Again, those sound like knocks on Bill Polian, and while we all love Bill for his genius in running a franchise, he is not known for being the clearest, most on-the-level communicator out there.

Now, some of you might be asking, What about those two new "coaches" the Colts hired last week? Well, for one, they aren't "coaches." They're interns. And, from Peyton's POV, they aren't offering that much right now:

"It's not normal not having a full coaching staff,'' Manning said. "I know we hired a couple of guys to come in, but these guys are learning. They're not offering a lot of coaching out there, I can assure you of that.''

Again, Peyton Manning very rarely goes to the press about this kind of stuff. So, if he does, you can be assured that something is really pissing him off. And by going to the press about internal matters (a HUGE no-no in Colts land), Peyton seems to be sending a message loud and clear to Bill Polian and Colts management: Get this cleared up now!

Now, it is likely there was some internal discussion, and perhaps that is what Peyton means when he said "Somebody says one thing, then somebody else says another thing." The bottom line is if Tom Moore and Howard Mudd are returning, they should be at West 56th Street NOW! If not, then the Colts management needs to tell the players and fans when they are expected back. A date needs to be established. If they aren't returning in the same capacity as consultants as they were when coaches, then Christensen and Metzelaars need to be given the TITLES of Offensive Coordinator and Offensive Line Coach, respectively.

Players need to know where the stand, and with whom they stand.

And really, from a fan's POV, this all looks like one disjointed mess. The Colts.com website has posted nothing about Tom Moore and Howard Mudd's retirements (kinda big deals, wouldn't you say?). They've posted nothing about the "new duties" assumed by Christensen and Metzelaars. They've posted nothing about Jim Irsay saying Moore and Mudd are returning as consultants.

Nothing. Nada. Zilch. As if nothing has happened with these people since January.

Very frustrating, to say the least.

Kudos to the Indy Star's Mike Chappell for some fine work on this.

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Wow. This is huge.

He must be beyond pissed. I say good for him; they (Polian et. al.) need to pull their heads out of their behinds.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on May 26, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hm - I don't like it

This exposure will be eaten up by our competition. Let’s hope it truly gets resolved in time to field a cohesive team.

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on May 26, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On the bright side

At least he didn’t accused the coaches of getting liquored up.

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by JakeTheSnake on May 26, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Always, the bright side eh, Jake? =-)

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on May 26, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let Moore and Mudd go

Its time to move on and let the younger coaches take over. It was going to happen eventually.

by MasterRWayne on May 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely

It sounds as if Manning has no problem at all with Christiansen as the new OC. From the article on Yahoo Sports:

“Indy veterans are content with those choices.

Manning said Christensen helped call plays in third-down and red-zone situations last season, two categories in which the Colts had the league’s No. 1 conversion rate in 2008."

This is quickly turning into a Favre-like distraction with the indecision coming from management instead of the player/coach.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 26, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Favre comparison isn't fair

Favre does that shit because he’s an attention whore, Moore and Mudd had/have to figure out two sets of complex and changing NFL rules (on pensions and on consultants) before they can clear up the issue.

by shake n bake on May 26, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wasn’t talking about Moore/Mudd being “Favre-esque.” At least that’s not how I read it. What he’s saying is that the Colts organization, in its handling or mis-handling of the issue, is turning it into a Favre-esque fiasco. Will they return, will they not, in what capacity, when… blah blah blah. The organization is turning the issue into the fiasco, Moore and Mudd have little or nothing to do with it.

by bamock on May 26, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it works for the organization too

one is accepting the disruption by dealing with a known attention whote, while the other is trying to jump through the league’s hoops to retain a pair of great coaches.

The players need to be in the loop more, but I’m not ready to say the Colts are mishandling the situation yet. Polian might be telling the truth in that he doesn’t know any more than Peyton does.

by shake n bake on May 26, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be...

But the lack of communication internally or externally to fans is “Bill Polian-esque” and is precisely what frustrates fans, and apparently Peyton from time-to-time as well. Even coming out to say, the delay on Moore/Mudd is due to a lack of clarity in the NFL rules for bringing in correspondents is long past due. If the fans hadn’t heard it but the players had it would be one thing, they haven’t. That’s a problem. In my opinion anyway.

by bamock on May 26, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care

what the intention is behind the distractiong – whether it is being an “attention whore” like Favre or being indesicive like Polian and Irsay are doing. My point is that it is a distraction and needs to go away.

We KNOW that Moore and Mudd are not going to be the OC and OLC respectively – so at the very least Polian et al can move ahead with installing the new coaches and deal with any consulting positions later.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 27, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

indesicive?

read the ESPN link up on the front page. No one knew when there were allowed to come back or any of the other rules, not even the head of the coaches association.

by shake n bake on May 27, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"No one knew when there were allowed to come back"

One thing they did know is that they were not coming back as the OC and OLC – so why haven’t they committed to the new guys and moved on?

All of the issues and questions about consultancy can come later. Polian et al needs to be clear about the future of those two positions and end this nonsense. Whatever consultancy positions Moore and Mudd may have in the future will not change the fact that we need an OC and an OLC right now.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 27, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for the record

I would absolutely love to have Moore, in particular, stick around as the OC and keep the top three coaching spots on the Colts a trifecta of Hawkeye players/coaches. But that simply isn’t going to happen – Moore is gone. It’s time to intall his replacement and move on.

If he comes back as a consultant some point in the future, then fine – he’s a consultant. But either way, we will have a new OC and that move needs to hapen yesterday.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thing...

The whole “consulting” business is just stupid. I am mad about the pension issue, but that is seperate in this case. If Moore and Mudd are retering then they are retired. End. Of. Story. Let the new coaches come in there and see what they can do. We’ve been grooming them for years.

by MasterRWayne on May 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just because it's a bit frustrating now at the start of OTAs

doesn’t mean we should be eager to push out a pair of coaches who have been key figures in the Colts run of success.

If it drags into TC without the roles and timeframes resolved then it might be more trouble than it’s worth, but these are two great coaches who were struck with an unexpected financial crisis.

by shake n bake on May 26, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devil's Advocate

First, let’s not pretend to know how pivotal the role of any of the four departed coaches was for the team’s success. The fact is, no one on this site has any way of knowing for sure how big of an impact these coaches had. I’ll assume their coaching and guidance have not hurt the team for the most part, and will assume that their legacy speaks for itself, but how “key” they’ve been in the team’s success is anyone’s guess that is not intricately involved in the organization itself.

Second, agree or disagree with MRW on this, the fact is, this team will be better of if the loss of Mudd/Moore, to whatever degree it is the team’s loss, be handled quickly. This team needs to be focused on developing its “new identity,” however that identity will change under the new coaches, and adjust the team chemistry in relation to those changes. This up-in-the-air, they’re gone, no they’re still here, well they are but only kinda, stuff is not good for the team right now.

Decide if they’re going to be a part of the team or not, figure out how they will and when they will, and AT LEAST the players know about it NOW! If you want to be real cool about it, you could throw the fans a bone about it too.

My 2cp.

by bamock on May 26, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

It really amazes me that the players don’t know what’s going on. One can only assume that Polian and Irsay don’t know what’s going on as well…I can’t imagine they would leave the team out of the loop. I would fully expect them to leave us fans out, but Peyton? That is hard to imagine.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on May 26, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's the amount of disruption vs the amount of dropoff in coaching ability

neither of those is something that’s easy to know, but I think the later is significant, and the first isn’t yet.

by shake n bake on May 26, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bashing Favre; defending this?

What sort of idiotic stance is that? Listen, Moore and Mudd are gone. I like the guys, but its time to move on and develop in a new direction. This is just a distraction and it also interferes with the direction the team is going in. Its true the pension system is a raw deal, but its time to look past that and into the future.

I say sign both the assistant to full time coordinators and move on and the sooner we do that the better. Its time to take the training wheels off and move in a new direction. I swear Shake whenever things change with this team you’re mind just closes shut like a bear trap.

by MasterRWayne on May 26, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh here is a tissue...

You can wipe your eyes with it. Seriously, you like really cling to players and now its onto coaches. You can’t be clingy in this league.

by MasterRWayne on May 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about clingy.

It’s about value. These are very valuable and proven coaches. And apparantly you should direct that disdain at Peyton. He is the one who seems to like his continuity and routine so much. Send him a tissue while you’re at it. It’s his comments that prompted this whole discussion.

by coltsfanawalt on May 26, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, they are proven

And they were leaving NEXT YEAR anyway! This wasn’t a surprise, everyone knew this and their replacements were prepared and ready to go. Everyone praises Mudd for what he did with the O-line last year – salvaging the season. Yet what a lot of people forget is that Mudd was out for a major chunk of the season because of knee replacement leaving Pete Metzelaars to keep that O-line together.

It has also been pointed out that Clyde Christensen was involved with play calling last year in 3rd down and red zone situations where the Colts had the highest conversion rate in the NFL.

Looking at it from a distraction value vs coaching value and considering that Mudd and Moore are ALREADY retired – we are way past to point where Polian et al need to take action and simply move on to the new guys.

If Moore and Mudd want to be consultants later – then great! But that can’t be the focus – the new OC and OLC need to be the focus. And that needs to happen yesterday.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 27, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

This sure isn’t shaping up to be the smooth transition we were all hoping for after Dungy’s retirement, is it? They need to get a grip on this quick before the players start losing confidence in the new regime. Without the proper trust in and respect for their leaders the Colts could end up a bunch of lazy malcontents like the Cowboys or the Raiders. THAT WOULD BE BAD! VERY BAD.

by peytonsurdaddy on May 26, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kinda of hard to get into a routine.................

with this crap still in the air. We all know how Peyton hates when he can’t focus completely on his preseason regimen. I hope this doesn’t translate into the teams performance.

by tim55 on May 26, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m listening to Polian right now in 1070 The Fan. He says he knew just as much as Peyton did for the longest time. The reason Peyton has no idea what happened or is going to happen is because Polian himself has no clue what’s going on. They are no definitive answers out there. They (Polian and Irsay) had to probe many sources just to inform Mudd and Moore on their situation.

If Polian isn’t blowing smoke, it looks like this is just one big mess and everyone is in the dark.

by KingRichard on May 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If that is the case then they need to be proactive

And simply move on to the new coaching staff. These two guys were going to be taking over next year anyway – all this has done is move it up a year. IF Moore and Mudd want to rejoin in six months as consultants – then fine. But get the new OC and OLC installed now and get moving.

We all saw what happened last year when the start of the new season is interupted.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But when does "being proactive" cross over into "cutting off one's nose to spite their face"?

To use an old expression of my grandmother’s….

I think the only ones competent to measure the cost/benefit of the disruption and distraction are Colts brass. My assumption is that Mudd/Moore still have gas left in the tank and give good value. The fact that everybody interviewed wants them back in some capacity indicates the Colts think the same way.

The issue then is the negatives (the costs) associates with this being unknown. To that I only say, It’s May. Give it 4 weeks. We are in uncharted waters—sometimes explorers get lucky and discover new worlds, and sometimes sea monsters swallow them instead. Right now we’re still close to shore and safe. Come July, if it’s still murky, then it may be wisest to say adios to M/M.

In short, I think it’s too soon to cut the cord. These guys still have value that outweighs the distraction factor. Their replacements have worked under them for a combined 12 years, so they are not going to change a whole lot, and if M/M step back into the picture in late June, it should be fairly seamless.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on May 26, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Manning is just as qualified in this regard

And how can you “cut off your nose to spite your face” when keeping Mudd and Moore as coaches isn’t even an option anymore? That is the point. They CAN’T be the OC and OLC so we need to move on with the two guys who WILL be the OC and OLC.

If they want to be consultants later – then great. But that can’t be and shouldn’t be the focus now. The new guys should be the focus now and that isn’t happening.

by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 27, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Moore and Mudd rock, but we need to move on and look to the future. You can’t be nostalgic in this league.

by MasterRWayne on May 26, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok...

Here’s a link with a more complete interview.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on May 26, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap. Sorry.

Let me try again.

And just in case, here are some key quotes which reflect a less annoyed Peyton. I hate how the media loves their shit storms. (Emphasis Mine)

"I can’t tell you what’s going on," Manning said. "I will say I don’t think it’s been the most properly communicated scenario around here. But we have learned to deal with change and be prepared to adjust. It’s still somewhat of an open book the last I’ve heard about it.

"If they come back as consultants — status quo — it’s really hard for me to answer. I really don’t know what the word consultant means and I don’t know if anybody does. I know Tom Moore always told me that he talked to other teams that had consultants — he thought that was kind of a scary word. He thought all a consultant ever did was come in and second-guessed every play call you made."

and this about Caldwell:

"I think we’re still in the middle of [coaching staff changes], seeing how they’re going to play out. I think everybody’s getting to know coach Caldwell. I feel like I know him as a quarterback’s coach, but I’m getting to know him as a head coach," he said.

"Every team meeting, I’m sitting on the front row, upright with my pen and paper out. Everybody wants to make a good impression on the new coach. He told us in the first meeting [that] he’s 54 years old, [former] coach Dungy has a big influence on him, he’s going to do some things the way coach Dungy did them, but a lot of things he’s going to do his own way."
"However that plays out, I’m not ready to give you my closing remarks on Tom and Howard. Tom and I did have a meeting three weeks ago and it was somewhat of an emotional meeting. It was 7 a.m. We were saying good-bye not knowing if it was official or not. We took some time to share some personal thoughts. It’s hard to do it in an hour meeting after 11 years of being together. A lot of meetings and a lot of private conversations," he said.

This is from the Terre Haute News – Tribstar.com

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on May 27, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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