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Dr. Blue's Health of the Franchise - Hart, Sanders

A funny thing happened in the days after Super Bowl XLIII... all players who were on Injured Reserve status were suddenly and unceremoniously taken off of it, regardless of when or how severely they were injured.  Those transactions simply marked the end of the 2008 season and the beginning of 2009, but for those of us who grew up playing video games (or who have children who did), the effect was something akin to starting a new game with all of your "lives" intact.  Or maybe it was more like a big "do-over."  The unintended consequence is that many fans may assume that players will be back at it next year, fully healthy and rehabilitated, ready to go.

The reality, however, is that many of the injuries sustained by NFL players severely limit or even end their careers.  They lead to weeks and months of frustrating attempts to return to the field, only to have a real hit knock them out again or "the next man up" out-perform them and take their job.

I was curious as to where my favorite injured players are in their current rehab progress, and what the realistic chances are for their return, and thought that might be a good topic for my first meaningful post on this blog.

Please note that although I labeled this "Dr. Blue," I am not a doctor, I do not play one on TV, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  However, I have a little personal experience with sports injuries, have friends in the medical profession, and I can research the HECK out of the Internet (where you can believe everything you read).  With that... I submit my first entry in what I hope becomes a mini series... Mike Hart and Bob Sanders:

 

Mike Hart, RB
Date of Injury:
Oct 12, 2008
Nature of Injury: Torn ACL in right knee
Typical Rehab Process/Duration: Remove the middle third of the patellar tendon and use that to replace the ACL.  Physical therapy can begin as soon as 2-3 days post-op, and recovery for non-athletes is ~9 months if things go smoothly.
Players who have suffered similar injuries:  Edgerrin James, Terrell Davis, Ronnie Brown, Deuce McAllister

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via www.colts.com

In his own blog, Mike Hart reported just a few weeks after his injury that you wouldn't even know he was injured.  This is not atypical of an ACL tear.  Technically you can still walk - and even run - with a torn ACL.  But the ACL is the lateral stabilizer inside the knee joint; with that damaged, what you can't do is change direction quickly while running... something that NFL running backs obviously need to do.  Rehab focuses on ensuring that the patient's joint is mechanically repaired and that it remains flexible and strong, but the critical element here will be if his confidence is as high as it was during that bullrush run we saw against Baltimore.  This is not to say that he doesn't have confidence, but having had a severe knee injury myself, I know that I don't fully trust that knee any more to withstand certain moves.  Oh and I also have arthritis in it, it hurts all the time, and my IT band is constantly tight... but I digress.

Despite his own reports of being well ahead of schedule, and Bill Polian's confidence that he will be ready by the start of the regular season, I think we should temper our expectations given the typical recovery period.  We will also need to temper our expectations of his performance once he does return.

Dr. Blue's Prognosis - Likelihood of Game 1 Appearance: Medium

 

Bob Sanders, DB
Date of Injury:
2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008...
Nature of Injury: Knee injury (exact nature unknown, but I'm guessing meniscus tear) and high ankle sprain (Sep 17, 2008)
Typical Rehab Process/Duration: Reportedly had arthroscopic surgery on his knee in Sep/Oct 2008.  Rehab process likely similar to ACL repair.  Rehab of ankle sprain depends on severity; could be a few weeks to several months.
Players who have suffered similar injuries: Kyle Orton, Sidney Crosby, Brian Westbrook

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via www.colts.com

I do love me some Bobzilla, but I have to say I'm frustrated that he hasn't been able to put together a string of several games in a row where he takes the field as the starter.  Of course I'm sure he's MUCH more frustrated than I.

The nuance of Sanders' knee injury seems to be recurrent swelling that simply won't subside without several days' or weeks' rest, hence the reason he didn't play in many (or any?) consecutive games last year.  Swelling can be caused by a number of conditions, including arthritis and gout, but in Bob's case probably is a reaction to knee surgery and the years of playing a demanding contact sport.

As concerning as the knee swelling is, the high ankle sprain is much more concerning to me in terms of recovery.  A high ankle sprain injures the ligament above the ankle that joins together the tibia and fibula in the lower leg.  It occurs when that ligament is stretched or torn.  Recovery from this injury depends (naturally) on the severity of the damage.  If the damage is minimal, and the patient's lower leg bones are stable, the patient can wear a simple cast for a few weeks while the ligament repairs itself.  If the lower leg bones are found to be moving around more than they should, surgery may be indicated to essentially fasten the leg bones in proper place while the ligament heals.  If surgery is required, the patient may have to wait 3 months before starting rehab, and another several months of rehab thereafter, up to 6 months for the non-athlete.

Polian stated in February that Sanders will likely open training camp on the PUP list.  This could be just a continuation of the approach they took last year with Bob and a way to determine the right ratio of playing days to rest days that will allow him to be strong and healthy come game day.  However, I fear that this may be an indication of the severity of his sprain.  Here's to hoping I'm way off base.

Dr. Blue's Prognosis - Likelihood of Game 1 Appearance: Low

 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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My main concern with Hart

And this is also just from my understanding of medicine based on personal experience, other player’s history, and of course, the internet. The impression I get from NFL players who tear an ACL is that they usually do return within a year or so. However, after the fact they often admit that they don’t get back to 100% until about 2 years pass. So although Hart may play this coming year, we probably shouldn’t be too excited about him returning to form. Nor should we bash him if his play is sub-standard this year. In my mind, any decent play from him this year is a blessing and we should really hold off judgments until the 2010 season.

"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."

by psvirsky on May 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions  

The reason for that

Is that many doctors take the graph tissue from the hamstring for football players because it’s bigger so it makes the knee stronger, but takes longer to heal fully. That’s the surgery Phillip Rivers had when he blew his ACL.

by Sanders_fan89 on May 4, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

NICE!

Good work LovinBlue. Enjoyed the read! REC this beast.

by bamock on May 4, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

GOOD ONE!

REC’ed

I really hope this becomes the first of a series…Thx for posting, Doc Blue

"We’re only going to score 17 points? haha...OK" - Tom Brady

by BlueMark1821 on May 4, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Definitely good read

Rec’d as well, and hope to read more. I’m glad to see you get some love on this blog, as you have been a consistent and loyal poster on here for quite some time.

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on May 4, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the recs

Appreciate the love, especially from great posters!

by LovinBlue on May 4, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I would say

I’m surprised someone else is up at this hour posting like me, but then I remembered you are back in Cali……a place I miss sometimes. Make it down to Monterey much?

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on May 4, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

/threadjack

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on May 4, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't make it to Monterey much

but it’s a place that every time I visit makes me wonder why I don’t go more often…

This weekend, wine country… any requests? ;-)

by LovinBlue on May 4, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm jealous

I was stationed in Monterey(Defense Language Institute on the Presidio) for 2 years. I didn’t care for the people in the town much, as many there didn’t care for the military, but the area was beautiful and there so much good ethnic food(I was learning Korean and grew to have a fondness for Korean food, as well as Thai and Vietnamese). Partied in Palo Alto/San Jose/San Fran a lot, and had a detail at one point that took me to Travis AFB in Fairfield three times a week. Definitely miss the beach in Carmel-by-the-Sea. Hope to make it out there sometime soon, but my next route for work is taking me up the East Coast instead(PA, NY, VT, NH, MA, ME).

I also wish I had time and motivation to blog at Speed Blue Nation

by Bullard47 on May 5, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great idea for a series LovinBlue!
Date of Injury: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008…

LOL!

And with this rec, you get to move up to the recommended FanPosts where you belong. Congrats LovinBlue. Great work! Can’t wait to read the next one (Let’s see, we’ve got Marlin Jackson, Joseph Addai, Gary Brackett, and Ryan Lilja left off the top of my head. Better get busy ;-) )

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Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Apparently, it is a bad idea to microwave ketchup packets.

by Cassieper on May 4, 2009 3:35 AM EDT reply actions  

nice work

as a doc myself, i’m very impressed lovinblue, I was planning on doing a similar series closer to the start of the season including some of the more up to date evidence from orthopaedic journals. it’s impossible to be accurate about prognosis because the colts, rightly, keep all details of player injuries very close to their chest. Just as a little side note, some athletes recover well from ACL injuries with only a programme of hamstring strengthening exercises and no surgery at all, just check out the awesome Tana Umaga, possibly one of the greatest rugby union centres of all time (this guy really is a beast). You’re right though, advances in ACL reconstructive surgery recently have been excellent, I’m not sure about allografts I’ll need to look into that. Anyway, loved your post and rec’d, keep up the good work.

by scottishcoltsfan on May 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

PS

I’m pretty sure Bob Sanders doesn’t have gout, LOL!!! not being a smart ass, just thought that differential was funny, again, well done :)

by scottishcoltsfan on May 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, scottishcoltsfan

I also assume he doesn’t have gout… was trying to research the potential causes of swelling and thought it was a funny find.

P.S. I’m glad I could impress a doctor… whew!

by LovinBlue on May 4, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good post.

Thumbs Up.
Hope you’re wrong about Sanders though.. :/

by yellowsnow on May 4, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I fear he isn't

Something about Sanders’ situation over the past 3 years or so is just getting to the point where it is so frustrating that I don’t even want to think about it anymore.

Also, I like Bullitt and all, but he doesn’t have nearly the same impact on the field as Bobzilla does and that is also frustrating because I want to see this team play to its potential all the time and not just most of the time (like all fans do).

Get healthy Bob!

"Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose."

by AceOfSpades on May 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nitpicking...
I fear he isn’t

Ummmm…LovinBlue is a woman, not a man. I’m 99.99999999……% sure on that.

Just nitpicking there, thought you should know.

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Apparently, it is a bad idea to microwave ketchup packets.

by Cassieper on May 4, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cass knows about online gender confusion

but really, when you go by Cass, that’s going to happen

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still sleepin' on me
but I'm 'bout to wake 'em
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by shake n bake on May 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got that right.

Thankfully, the vast majority of the online community knows that I’m a boy by now. Putting a message on my profile page couldn’t have hurt though…

Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.

Man, I need a life...

Random fact of the week from the empty void that is my mind: Apparently, it is a bad idea to microwave ketchup packets.

by Cassieper on May 4, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marlin Jackson

Great article Dr. Blue. Definitely Rec’d.

Can you do something like this for Marlin Jackson to let us know his progress? Also, any word on Ryan Lilja’s injury? Why is it taking so long for him to heal up?

Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"

by stuart0908 on May 5, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Knees...

I suffered an ACL tear last October playing basketball. I went to my doctor and she told me it might be a sprain, but didn’t order an MRI. So I kept playing, and kept suffering horrifying injuries where it felt like there was nothing between my thigh and my foot but a gelatinous, painful lump of flesh. The swelling was incessant. So after discovering that it was a tear, I took it easy for a while, and ran the mini marathon after the swelling eventually subsided. So this is now May of 2008, and besides my inability (and terrifed unwillingness) to play basketball, I’m pretty much okay. When I finally see an Orthopedic surgeon, he obviously puts the kaibosh on all sports and recommends surgery, which I had in July. I had a quick recovery from a full ACL reconstruction, and played my first half court basketball game in March, then my first full court game in April.

Now, it goes beyond understatement to say that I am NOT a professional athlete. I’m young, in decent shape, but in no way do I have world class muscle structure in my lower body. On top of these things, all strikes against me, I played several weeks’ worth of full court basketball games in a rec league on a fully torn ACL AND ran a mini marathon…now, ten months after surgery, I am completely confident in my knee’s ability to make cuts. The swelling still happens sometimes, and there’s still a tiny bit of mental trepidation when I land awkwardly (that I feel will never go away). But overall, I’m doing great.

Most people say that NFL RBs take about 8 months to rehab, then another full year to get back to their “old form.” But given the fact that Mike Hart IS a world class athlete (I mean, he’s good enough to play in the NFL), did NOT (presumably) repeatedly damage his knee by playing basketball and running 1/2 marathons after the injury,and he received a diagnosis immediately following the injury, I’d say he’s probably good on his word. Now, if the Colts expect him to shoulder a heavy load, like say, 10 or more carries a game, I doubt he’s going to be fully prepared to excell in that role by the start of the season, or any time this year for that matter. But because he’s likely going to be a situational player, he’ll probably get plenty of time to rest and recover throughout the year and will be just fine as a third stringer.

Great post by the way.

by LukeNukem on May 5, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point about Hart's "rested" status

When Edge came back and was ineffective for a frustrating 16 games, many wondered if he was finished (The loser only added 6,000 rushing yards since then—sarcasm intended). But Edge being Edge, he also got 25 touches a game and played every down in practice I bet. That tends to add up to a lot of nagging injuries on top of the big recovery.

Hart, assuming he recovers about the same, will have no such 100% practices and 25-touch games to compound/delay his recovery. He has the luxury of coming back at his body’s own pace.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on May 6, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

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