Another roster projection
It's everyone's favorite time killer while awaiting the start of training camp. How do you fit together the roster mainstays, the rookies you like and personal favorite backups/role players?
Here's my attempt, in depth chart order,
Offense
- QB: Manning, Sorgi
- RB: Addai, Brown, Hart
- H-Back: Robinson, Santi
- TE: Clark, Tamme
- WR: Wayne, Gonzalez, Garcon, Collie, Hall
- OT: Ugoh, Diem
- T/G: Ch. Johnson, Federkiel, Lewis
- OG: Lilja (PUP), Pollak, Justice
- OC: Saturday, Richard
Defense
- DE: Freeney, Brock, Mathis, Howard, Cu. Johnson
- UT: Foster, Moala, Dawson
- NT: E. Johnson, A. Johnson, Taylor
- OLB: Session, Hagler, Wheeler, Keiaho
- MLB: Brackett, Seward
- CB: Hayden, Jackson, Jennings, Hughes, Powers
- S: Sanders, Bethea, Bullitt, Giordano
Special Teams
- K: Vinatieri
- P: McAffee (Kickoff Specialist)
- LS: Snow
- RS: Rushing
Jump for PS plus a listing of the remaining players on the offseason roster to help better pick apart my choices.
Practice Squad
- QB Curtis Painter
- RB Lance Ball
- WR Sam Giguere
- OT Corey Hillard
- OG Jaimie Thomas
- DT Adrian Grady
- LB Micheal Okwo
- DB Travis Key
Roster spot possible, PS ineligible (I think)
- LB Jordan Senn
- CB Micheal Coe
- S Brandon Condren
- DT Daniel Muir
- OT Micheal Toudoze
- S Jaime Silva
- HB Chad Simpson
Camp Fodder
- DB Brandon Anderson
- TE Colin Cloherty
- QB Chris Crane
- OG Kyle DeVan
- DB Brandon Foster
- CB Nick Graham
- DB Brandon Harrison
- LB Ramon Humber
- DT Pat Kuntz
- DB Jacob Lacey
- P Tim Masthay
- WR John Matthews
- WR Brett McDermott
- DT Daniel Muir
- OG Tom Pestock
- TE Jaime Petroski
- LB Tyrell Sales
- WR Taj Smith
- LB Mike Tauiliili
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Too much talent and not enough spots. Good problem to have me thinks
Please, please draft a big Defensive Tackle. Please?
Enter Fili Moala. Thank you Polian
Very good problem to have
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by AussieColtsFan on May 5, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Great problem
and a very unusual problem – I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t know quite how to react…this is new territory.
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by peytonsthebest on May 6, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
With Rushing as a dedicated RS...
I can’t see us keeping 5 CBs, and 4 Safeties
Maybe other way around. Keep Silva, drop Hughes
Dawson
I still think Dawson is going to miss out unfortunately. As much as I like Dawson, with the huge amount of depth we know have at the DT position and the Colts shift in philosphy is to bigger players who are also quick and athletic, I think Dawson will get beaten out, most likely by Grady.
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Foster starting? What?
You don’t really think Foster will start…do you?
And why would you list Ed Johnson as a NT and Moala as the UT when Ed is actually SMALLER than Moala?
I see it much more likely that Antonio Johnson will be the NT and Ed Johnson the UT with Moala rotating in and out of both positions to spell the starters.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 5, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
because Ed played the NT in his previous stay in Indy, Moala may be big, but he's a more mobile guy
I had a general DT (UT/NT) spot before I axed Grady for Big Ed, but after it looked cleaner just to go NT, UT without the hybrid/swing guys separate.
and I think it’s much more likely a returning starter (Foster) gets a starting spot than a late 2nd round rookie (Moala).
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
The returning starters
Are going to be the two Johnsons with Ed Johnson serving as UT and Antonio Johnson as the NT. With the Colts new attention to “size” at the DT position Foster is going to be at an big disadvantage.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
and you know that how?
like I said in a Ed Johnson signing thread. The draft picks and Ed re-signing don’t necessarily mean that they are going away from small UTs. It would also make since to conclude that Indy is happy with their small DT opinions and are trying to upgrade their choices at big DT.
Ed Johnson hasn’t played UT and Foster was starting out of position over Antonio Johnson.
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What Polian et al says, by itself, doesn’t mean squat; but when you combine what they’ve said with their action of signing a slow, lumbering DT like Taylor make it clear that they are paying a lot more attention to size. It also shows they aren’t too happy with last year’s flirtation with 265 pound DTs. As such, Foster is at a big disadvantage.
What’s more, Foster did not start “over Antonio Johnson.” In fact he had his ass benched for the final three games of the season and was only a reserve in the playoff game where he did very, very little. AJ, on the other hand, started the last four games as well as the playoff game and was very productive. He’s played both the LDT as well as the RDT position and is likely going to start again this next season.
As long as Ed Johnson has kept in somewhat decent playing shape and can pick back up where he left off over training camp he will be starting along side AJ as the other starting DT.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he was injured
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/1/1/706881/wed-thurs-injury-report-wc
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/12/12/690843/thurs-fri-injury-report
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/12/18/697103/colts-jags-inactives
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/12/14/692146/colts-inactives
and even if that was the case Dawson was starting in his place so it said nothing about their size preference in DTs.
Ed Johnson was the NT last year. Brock was the other starting DT with Dawson picking up the starts Brock missed, do you really think Brock and Dawson were playing the NT spot or do you think it’s more likely that the line switches it’s alignment based on which side is the strong side of the offensive formation.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You think the injury reports mean a thing?
Also, they weren’t interested in getting bigger until AFTER last year. In fact, it can be argued that last year they went smaller then ever before at DT and it was a complete and absolute DISASTER! I don’t think they intentionally meant to go smaller at DT, but that was just where they found themselves after Pitcock left and EJ was fired.
However, it is clear that they were looking to still get bigger by hiring Muir mid-way through the season and then AJ from the Titan’s PS. Once AJ was signed and had a couple of games under his belt he was handed the starting role and turned in some very solid numbers.
By the start of this next season the two most talented and experienced DTs are going to be Ed Johnson and Antonio Johonson – given those two AJ will be the “NT” and EJ will serve as the “UT.” Polian has made it clear by not only what he has said but what he has done that he is no longer interested in 265 pound DTs. If Foster and Dawson stick around they will likely be used in limited pass rush situations only next to a pass-rush capable NT such as EJ or FM.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
they weren’t interested in getting bigger until AFTER last year.
t is clear that they were looking to still get bigger by hiring Muir mid-way through the season and then AJ from the Titan’s PS.
contradict yourself much?
You think the injury reports mean a thing?
I think when a guy goes from starting every game so far to the injured list and being inactive for games that it’s a pretty safe bet that it’s an injury.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
and Muir was signed at the start of the year not midseason
but I guess you don’t think signing date means much more than injury reports.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I don't think Muir means much
and rally couldn’t care less when he signed. Nor do I find it a priority to remember when the hell he signed – it doesn’t change a damn thing.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it shows that you have made up your mind
and don’t want to be confused by the facts
Ed Johnson having played UT
Muir being a mid-season addition to add size
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
You mean facts like how Foster wasn't on the injured list
During the WC game with the Chargers?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
what's an injured list?
I talked about Inactives and Injured lists (meaning injury report)
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The injury report
semantics.
Foster was active and healthy the days just before the WC game.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
healthy enough to practice = healthy enough to start?
Ryan Lilja practiced 3-4 days in the two weeks before they shut him down for the season. Healthy enough to practice doesn’t mean they are ready to contribute as normal.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lilja blew his knee out
What did Foster do that kept him injured for so many weeks? Hurt his little finger?
Injury reports mean little to nothing – and often even less. The fact remains that Foster was healthy and able to play but didn’t start. AJ did.
Combined with Polian et al’s recent comments and draft choices it is highly unlikely that Foster will be starting at either DT position – not at 265 pounds, at least not without some pretty amazing production. And Foster hasn’t had any kind of amazing production on the field.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did I say
EJ never played UT?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Try reading the whole thing
I make it clear that I think their experiment with smaller DTs was forced upon them and that they didn’t state a clear desire to get away from it until AFTER this last season.
And if Foster was warming the bench only because of his injury then why didn’t he start in the playoff game? He was no longer on the injured list. AJ, however, did start.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he was still missing practice
now you aren’t reading everything I posted. The first link was to an injury report of him sitting out practice before the wildcard game. He wasn’t healthy, but they needed him so he played part time.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He missed ONE DAY of practice
Because of a boo-boo on his finger. Yet he was not listed on the injured list at the start of the game and did indeed play. But who started?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Keyunta Dawson started
So Foster is worse than Dawson too, because he’s way smaller and the guy the big DT proponents really want to axe?
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dawson at least seems to have more skill
I’d think he has a much better chance of being a situational pass rushing DT than does Foster.
Dawson reminds me of King in that he makes up for his lack of size through pure skill. I just don’t see that in Foster’s production.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
production?
Foster was playing the NT spot where he had to take on more blocks than Dawson, and played in less games and he had more tackles.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
More tackles?
What?
Dawson played in 13 games and had 49 tackles
http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=518
Dawson played in 14 games and had 71 tackles and 1 fumble recovery.
http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=451
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
correction:
What?
Foster played in 13 games and had 49 tackles
http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=518
Dawson played in 14 games and had 71 tackles and 1 fumble recovery.
http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=bio&player_id=451
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FostEr20.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DawsKe99.htm
I didn’t count them being part of a gang tackle because half the team is usually involved in each of those
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did they get their numbers?
Because they aren’t even CLOSE to what the Colts report. And even if you look at Solo tackles Foster didn’t have more production than did Dawson.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
want to really have your mind blown
NFL.com has a 3rd different tackles tally
http://www.nfl.com/players/ericfoster/profile?id=FOS247808
http://www.nfl.com/players/keyuntadawson/profile?id=DAW601476
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That source lists Dawson as a DE
Either way, I would think the Colts would use their own numbers in any review of a given player.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
ready to leave this as a difference in opinions?
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We'll see come the final cut
Anything can happen in TC
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Moala
May have been picked in the mid/late second but he’s a first round talent overshadowed being in a 3-4 and being a pretty significant reason why all 4 USC LBs were taken pretty early, and some earlier than they should have been. When you go from being the potential #1 drafted player (which he was going into 2008) when he was in a 4-3, and nobody even knew who Matthews was, to being considered a late 1st to a late second DT after switching to a 3-4, and now Matthews is considered a god and a first round pick, you kind of have to think why the LBs at USC did so well. Just so happens our outside LBs happen to play on the line and are named Freeney and Mathis.
And the Ed Johnson thing is great and all, but an UDFA who wasn’t picked up by any team last season is hard to imagine being in better shape than people who were playing football 5 months ago.
Shake is right though, I find it hard to believe Foster won’t make the roster. It was glaringly obvious when Foster was out of the lineup. Moreso than any other player at DT last season. It happened to be during the Detroit game that was way closer than it should’ve been and during the Jacksonville game where it looked like we were handing out flowers to their O-line and MJD most of the game. I also don’t consider Foster as undersized as he’s listed. I don’t believe the 265 lb label. Almost every college player that comes out weighs quite a bit less until they hit a pro level weight room like it’s their job. I’d say he’s at least 275-280 right now, which is fine for a T2 UT.
Although, I don’t think we traded up for Moala for him to sit, or at least for much longer than a couple games. Just from what Polian and Caldwell have said leads me to believe that Moala will be starting, and the likely starters weren’t on our roster last season. You don’t pick up 5 players at arguably the weakest position on the team to be backups. I actually don’t think the roster casualties will be as heavy DT so much as DE. I don’t think the “get bigger” was only directed at DT, and will more than likely cause position “changes” and losses at DE. This would just be a hunch on my part :
RDE : Freeney, Dawson, *Howard
LDE : Brock, Mathis, *Howard
NT : Taylor, E. Johnson, A. Johnson
UT : Moala, Foster
WILL: Okwo, Keiaho, *Hagler, *Senn
SAM : Session, Wheeler *Hagler, *Senn
MIKE: Brackett, Seward
CB : Hayden, Jackson, Jennings, Powers, Rushing (PR/ST)
S : Sanders, Bethea, Bullit, Giordano
Total active defense – 27
QB : Manning, Sorgi
RB : Addai, Brown, Hart (PUP), Ball
WR : Wayne, Gonzalez, Garcon, Hall, Collie (KR/ST)
TE1 : Clark, Tamme
H-B : Santi, Robinson
T : Diem, Ugoh
G : Lilja (PUP), Richard, Ch. Johnson
C : Saturday, Justice
T/G : Federkail, Pollack, Toudouze
Total offense – 23 (Lilja and Hart won’t count until week 10 being on the PUP)
ST :
K – Vinatieri
P/H – McAfee
LS – Snow
Total ST – 3
PS:
DT : Grady
LB : Humber
QB : Painter
WR: Giguere
CB : Hughes, Silva
DE : Cu. Johnson
OG : Thomas
OT : Hilliard
Of course my entire practice squad may be cut tomorrow, so who knows?
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
8 LBs seems like a bit much
especially when two (and maybe 3) of your backups have been taught all 3 LB positions.
and Foster was 277lbs (same as he’s listed now) at his Pro Day, so I don’t think it’s at all unlikely he’s back up to that weight compared to “just 265”.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
structured that poorly
first part is disagreeing with you
second part is agreeing.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
my mistake (I had gotten the idea they changed is listing in the bamock discussion on him)
it’s besides the point because it’s not something I was building my argument on and wasn’t even directed at you.
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by shake n bake on May 6, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Goto play somebody on special teams
Not exactly sure how it’s much different than what we had going on last year with
Wheeler
Senn
Brackett
Hagler
Keiaho
Session
Davis
And since we lost Reid, we sort of need someone else to step up. Unless you just want to start sending O-linemen down the field.
Jim Sorgi runs a 4.6 40. That's all I've got to say about that.
How did Foster do against the Texans?
" It was glaringly obvious when Foster was out of the lineup. Moreso than any other player at DT last season. It happened to be during the Detroit game that was way closer than it should’ve been and during the Jacksonville game where it looked like we were handing out flowers to their O-line and MJD most of the game."
You mean as opposed to how well we did agains the run against the Texans (173 yards), Chargers ( 105), Browns (88) when Foster was playing? Compared to the Lions (90), and the Jags (100).
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 6, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Vikings have the two Williams
We have two Johonsons……Johnson and Johnson baby!
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 5, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
We have two Johnsons even
Ok…so I can’t spell this late at night.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on May 5, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions
t_i_h
difference of opinion is fine, but stating your opinion as fact and writing off any info that conflicts with your opinion as meaningless and/or lies is not (and gets me all pissy).
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Ed Johnson played NT on a much smaller team last year
With the Colts now having Ed and Antonio Johnson, Taylor, Moala, and Grady I dont see Dawson coming back. I hope Foster just plays UT on pass-only downs, and DE for goaline stands. Grady might seem like me reaching, but I watch alot of Louisville football and this guy is really good. Their new coach is awful and he was one of the few bright spots on the team.
Overall I think there is an abundance of talent, so it should be interesting to see who goes. And i’m really hoping Kuntz outplays Foster and Dawson…I would love to see him on the field.
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