It's official: NFL Network is run by a bunch of morons
by Brad Wells on Jun 10, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
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PrintNFL Network's NFL's Top describes itself as "a fast-paced weekly series that provides an irreverent look at some of the most intriguing subjects in the NFL." In reality, it's a sad sack of a show managed by a collection of mindless morons who know about as much about football as Jessica Simpson. The show has posted, on NFL.com, a list of the Top 10 "Most Clutch" QBs. Guys like Joe Montana, Steve Young, Dan Marino, John Elway, Otto Graham, and Tom Brady are profiled. Guess who is not on the list?
NFL.com's reputation to objectively look at QB play just took a giant nose dive, folks. It is beyond stupid to include QBs like Brady, Marino, and Elway while leaving off Peyton Manning. It just screams of bad research and either biased or misinformed analysis.
For those of you scoring at home:
- Peyton Manning has more 4th quarter comebacks than Joe Montana.
- He had 7 fourth quarter comebacks last year alone, giving him an astounding 38 for his career. Montana had 31. Brady has 26.
- The largest comeback in a conference championship game was the 2006 AFC title game. Winner: Peyton Manning's team. Loser: Tom Brady's team. I'm still astounded that this lose, coupled with his massive choke job in the 2007 Super Bowl, still has Brady in the "Top 10 Clutch QBs" and not Manning. Unreal. Un-friggin-real.
- 18to88 has the best 18 Manning fourth quarter comebacks ever.
- His QB rating in the 4th quarter (within 7 points) last year alone was astounding: 96.3.
One can make a strong argument that Peyton Manning is THE best clutch QB ever. The numbers, wins, and accolades back this up pretty solid. So, for him not even to be listed in a Top 10 list suggests to me the producers at NFL Network are a bunch of Patriots fans, clueless idiots, or BOTH.
Honestly, you've got to be kidding me. Not even on the list! Screw these idiots at NFL Network. If this is their idea of good programming, I'm actually kind of glad my cable company doesn't provide them.
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The Payton's a Choker Paradigm.
When will Payton shake this misconceived notion that he’s a choker? This “monkey” has been on his back since college. He helped win a Super Bowl wasn’t that suppose to remove said monkey? The problem isn’t nor has it ever been Payton. It’s the supporting cast. Payton has had very few possessions in his career because the defense can’t get off the field. The possessions that he does have, in big games or small, he’s made the most of them. I don’t care what anyone says, last year the colts should of gone 8 and 8, but Payton threw the team on his back and carried them kicking and screaming into the play-offs. In said play-off game if the colts had been able to stop Sproles or made that short yardage conversion, then it’s out come would have been very different. So I digress, Payton has to win another Super Bowl if he’s ever going to make this list, and this is the year to do it. Go Colts!
by Believe in Blue on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
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by Believe in Blue on Jun 11, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
It's the same old argument
“He hasn’t consistently won in the playoffs, ergo he’s a choker”
I’m fairly certain he’s a Ben Rothlesburger tackle and a blown snap count away from 3 rings. Peyton can’t win the game all by himself people, but goddamn does he ever work at it. Off the top of my head I can think of 4 fourth-quarter comebacks LAST YEAR. As I recall he also holds the record for largest comeback.
One more thing: The last time Manning was heavily favored to win the Super Bowl, he got the job done. The last time Brady was heavily favored…not so much.
by slash196 on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
It’s a very tired argument, isn’t it?
I am so sick of this lack of respect from so-called professionals. They said when we won the SB, that the monkey would finally be off his back…well, it came back quickly – or rather these dipwads put it back. It’s such a friggin’ joke.
He will go down as the best to ever play the game. And all of us will be there to say “I told you so.”
I love doing that.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 10, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW
If they are going by playoffs and if rings are the only thing that counts how is Dan Marino on this list?
IN POLIAN I TRUST
Seriously
Wasn’t Dan Marino the perennial choker of the previous QB generation? I could be wrong, but didn’t Marino go to one super bowl as a rookie and blow it? oops…
by Believe in Blue on Jun 11, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
Similar to your point, “Peyton can’t win the game all by himself”, neither can Brady. Tom Terrific can’t throw passes if he’s not upright; the Pats had an offensive line breakdown and erred when sticking with the same gameplan in the second half.
Blogger at SBNation's Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit
Agreed.
But since it is commonly Pats fans giving the choke label to Manning in their attempt to promote Brady as the best, it’s nice to hand the logic back. But football is a team sport, and the Pats have the most team super bowl wins. Congrats.
by coltsfanawalt on Jun 11, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
…that’s the perception but that’s not the reality. In the two years leading up to the GIants SB win Brady was anything but clutch, but the media and fans have given him a pass. I believe it was in the 05 playoffs against the Broncos he threw an interception to Champ Bailey, season over. Then in the 06 playoffs he throws an interception to Marlin, season over. Then you have 07 and obviously the Pats oline got owned but this is what Brady made his name on right??? Well guess what…..season over.
There is definitely a bias against Manning when it comes to the phrase ‘clutch’ as unfair as it is.
It’s as simple as this, when you are the best everyone loves to hate on you every chance they get and that’s it. There’s plenty of fact that says Manning is and has been a clutch as you get at QB in the NFL.
IN POLIAN I TRUST
Most With Least
Peyton may not have the rings and playoff W-L record of other NFL superheroes to play quarterback, but I think the most astounding stat is that the Colts have won 12 or more games in six consecutive seasons (with Manning steering the ship)… despite ranking dead last or close to it in both third down efficiency and number of offensive possessions. I don’t think Peyton’s ever been a choker. Choking means that your team should have won the game and didn’t as a result of you making bad decisions on the field. It’s not the same as getting beaten by a better team.
One of my favorite Manning games is a game that the Colts actually lost. The Six INT Game against San Diego during the 2007. Going into that game, Peyton was prepared to have Reggie and Dallas out there and Dallas was scratched before kickoff because of a concussion. So that limited him to Reggie coupled with the bottom of the WR depth chart. He threw five INTs durign the course of the game and could have given up, saying that night wasn’t his night, but he kept going and put the Colts in position to win the game. That loss is on Vinatieri missing a makeable field goal and possibly Dungy for trying to draw SD offsides. Peyton may have thrown five INTs (I try not to count the 6th because it came at the end of the game in a hail mary situation where a lot of QBs would’ve been picked off too), but he had a short memory and never gave up.
by ATX Colts Fan on Jun 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
6 interception game
I’ll never forget that game either. After throwing 5 interceptions Peyton never gave up. He put us in a position to win at the end. The man just never gives up. Sometimes you can learn more about a player watching them lose, than you can when they win.
"I throw, you catch, it's not that hard."
They will never learn
When the Colts defense has been sub-par, giving up huge games to Corey Dillon, and Darren Sproles, somehow it is Peyton’s fault. Always. While Tom Brady gets all the credit for riding mostly his defense to three super bowls, Peyton gets blame for the losses that are, with the exception of the 03 title game, not his fault. It really is ridiculous. If they want to put Tom Brady on that list, fine. But how the hell is Dan Marino on it. He has never won a super bowl, and has had little “clutch games.” Peyton had more fourth quarter wins last year than Tom has ever had in one season. Peyton has twice come back from 17+ points down in the last five minutes. Peyton has quarterbacked the largest comeback in Title game history. Yet he gets no credit.
What is amazing is that Tom Brady, for all his supposed brilliance, has never led a game-winning playoff touchdown drive when trailing by more than a field goal. All his memorable drives have either ended with a Vinatieri kick or were a field goal away from tying. The last two times he was down by four, he threw a pick, and then was the super bowl. I guarantee that even if Peyton wins the next two super bowls, the general perception that Tom is a better, more clutch QB will stay.
Brady choked away the Super Bowl
And he’s on the list? What? And where is Brett Favre? I may not like the guy, but he should be on this list.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions
WTF
it’s obvious that these NFL network people much like patriot yahoos just don’t get it PTHe onloy time that Peyton had a D step up 4 him was in the 2006 playoff, we all know what happened then. Brady has had Bellichick, who sadly is an outstanding coach, and he has had a very good D for many years.
SO FUCK ALL THESE GOD DAMN HATERS!!!!!
by Colts Live Free or Die! on Jun 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
That article is stupid.
I mean, I’m a Titans fan. I don’t even like Peyton Manning, and even I can see that he’s pretty clutch.
Although… one of those 4th quarter comebacks last year was a gift from Sage Rosenfels.
depends on how you look at it
Sage and the D were why they were able to come back from 17 down in 8 minutes, but to do it Peyton and the O needed an 81 yard TD drive and to convert a start on the Texans 20 into a TD, no second chances on either of them since there was only 8 minutes to play.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That was poorly worded
The O had time for two drives, and needed TDs on both. One starting from their own 20, the 2nd from the Texans 20.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The jets game
Peyton actually has 2 4th quarter comebacks in one game. He drove the Colts down to a TD with less than 2 minutes left, the Jets returned the kickoff for a TD, and Peyton promptly drove the Colts down to another TD to win the game (again). That would be clutch personified. But, hey, let’s not let facts get in the way of a story obviously meant to sleight one particular great (very possibly the greatest of all time) player.
Peyton Manning is the reason I started watching football
My high school had a very embarissing and shameful event take place the year before I started attending it. So when I got there it was not thought highly of to play football. So unfortunately I never got the chance to play football or learn much about the game at all.
About 4 years ago I sat down with a friend to watch a Colts game….. I was blown away.
The precision timing of Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison had me hooked instantly.
Edgerrin James was an absolute beast! Dwight Freeney had to have been spawned in the depths of the underworld.
Anyway…… Ever since that day I have been a a big fan of the NFL and have learned a whole lot about this great game. Peyton has to be in the top three of best clutch QB’s ever.
When he smoked the Pats in that AFC Championship game after being down by three scores I experienced a feeling similar to losing my virginity
....
My high school had a very embarissing and shameful event take place the year before I started attending it.
I probably should have mentioned that the shameful event involved the football team.
by CardsDefense on Jun 10, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
When he smoked the Pats in that AFC Championship game after being down by three scores I experienced a feeling similar to losing my virginity
lol
Shit doesn't just happen, arseholes cause it!
by AussieColtsFan on Jun 10, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually broke the table
I was sitting at from pounding my fists on it in exultation. The sportsbar owner was such a happy Colts fan he bought us a pitcher and told us to forget about it.
by peytonsurdaddy on Jun 11, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Tears. Tears. Tears.
Still cry when I think about that feeling. I thought my heart would explode.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah...
I’d also been screaming so long and so loud I didn’t get my voice back for two days. And I scream back-ups in a metal band. That’s alot of screaming folks. Good times…
by peytonsurdaddy on Jun 11, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 11, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Brady Bias
Rich, Rod, Jamie and even Marshall have shown a strong tendency to be biased toward Tom Brady this off season. Rod Woodson is on record for claiming the Colts won’t even make the playoffs. I just limit my time watching the Nfl network and it’s commentators. None of them believe in blue and Peyton. The Colts will have the last laugh though!
I saw that NFL network show a couple of wks ago
I’m still mad about it. Peyton should be at the top, no doubt in my mind. The show was about clutch QB period, not clutch QB in the playoffs. So the superbowl rings should have nothing to do with it. Didn’t they see the Monday Night Miracle?
"I throw, you catch, it's not that hard."
Fox Sports
just had a listing of the top 99 NFL players. They listed Tom Brady number 2 and Peyton Manning number 1. Eli at number 17 I had an issue with but the whole idea of the article was stupid – just like this one. Ross Tucker at SI has an article on the success of small wide receivers – no mention of Wes Welker. They’re all idiots.
Keep the faith!
Post of the year!
They’re all idiots.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 10, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
As a longtime reader of FireJoeMorgan, allow me to say that part of the problem with the article is the use of the word “clutch”. Did the authors of this article define what was meant by “clutch”? Would those reading the article reach any kind of consensus on defining the word “clutch”? How is “clutch” measured?
When your criteria is ambiguous, you have no accountability. NFL.com can say whatever they want, because nobody reading really knows what they’re saying.
Is “clutch” racking up 4th-quarter comebacks? As many of you have already proved, Peyton would belong on any such list.
Is “clutch” performing well in big games? How quickly we forget that John Elway had the ‘choker’ label for years and years until he finally got the supporting cast he needed to win Super Bowls in his last two seasons. Peyton’s played well in many big games, including the Super Bowl, and including games in which the Colts ultimately lost.
Is “clutch” putting points on the board when your team needs them the most? If so then Tom Brady wasn’t clutch for those championship Patriots teams; Adam Vinatieri was. When they needed a field goal, Vinatieri always got it for them, including all three Super Bowls and the Tuck Rule game. When they needed touchdowns, Brady threw picks: in 2005, 2006 and 2007
So what is “clutch”? NFL.com never tells us, and for that reason they make it impossible for us to tell them why Peyton clearly belongs.
I had a "clutch" rant last offseason
I hate that concept so much.
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2008/8/3/585580/one-last-offseason-piece
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
actually it was about intangibles
but Clutch is front and center among those.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The concept of a "clutch QB"
as it is usually presented is virtually meaningless. It’s not basketball, where the other four players can get out of the way and let Michael Jordan do his thing. It’s not baseball, where it can come down to a mano-a-mano pitcher vs. batter. In football, the QB can do everything perfectly — recognize the defense, check down to a better play, change the blocking scheme, deftly avoid the ferocious pass rush, and fire the ball right into a tight window 30 yds down the field where only the receiver can catch it… only to have the ball bounce off the receiver’s hands. I guess that means the QB is not clutch.
Or you can have a QB fight through a terrible statistical game — let’s say, oh, maybe 6 interceptions — and still gut it out in such a way that his team could, almost unbelievably, actually win… only to have the kicker shank a chip-shot field goal. I guess that QB just isn’t clutch.
I could go on like this all day.
by ctnyc on Jun 10, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
you better check yo self b4 you rec yo self
oh wait, I already did
Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.
by KingRichard on Jun 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And Let's Not Forget...
…about THE greatest comeback in football history.
At Tampa Bay. Dungy’s homecoming. Monday Night Football. October, 2003. 21 points in the (less than) last 4 minutes of the 4th Quarter, with 2 Manning TD’s. Bucs D, mind you.
Peace.
by I'm Not Alone, I'm Just Blue on Jun 10, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
Define Irony
“On February 3, 2008, Tom Brady brought his team, with their perfect 18-0 record, to the Super bowl where he promptly choked and was beaten by a banged-up team of young players led by a guy who is not even the best quarterback in his immediate family”-Dikipedia.
OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!
You're the moron
Let’s start with Peyton’s Superbowl run. His 2006 playoff passer rating is the 2nd lowest of any Superbowl winning QB ever. He’s also the only QB to throw more than twice as many INTs than TDs and still win a Superbowl. He’s one of only 2 QBs in history to win a playoff game without scoring a TD. And he has the lowest passer rating in the Superbowl than any other Superbowl MVP. How’s that for being clutch or earning a Superbowl ? No other QB in history has had worse postseason stast and still won. How’s that for being carried by your defense. For his overall playoff stats which also defines CLUTCH, Manning has only 4 multiple TD games out of 15 games played. (Brady has 8) Half of all his playoff TDs came from just 3 games. That equates to less than 1 TD a game for the remaining 12 games. In those remaing 12 games he has a total of 10 TDs and 16 INTs. In his playoff losses, he’s averaged 13.6 points per game. (Brady averages 20.3 in his losses) In fact he’s only scored more than 18 points once in any of those losses. How many teams have won a playoff game scoring 18 points or less in the past 11 years ? 10. Doesn’t give your team much chance of winning and not something you expect from that kind of offense. Clutch ? I think not. In his last playoff appearance he just needed a first down to secure the win. What happened ? And for 4th quarter comebacks, Brady averages 3.7 per season. Manning averages 3.2. The postseason is what defines greatness and clutch performances. The postseason is where Peyton routinely fails.
lol
he has the lowest passer rating in the Superbowl than any other Superbowl MVP
factually incorrect, in an especially funny way
Peyton Manning 2006 SB MVP QB Rating=90.57
Tom Brady 2002 SB MVP QB Rating=86.18
I’m not going to bother checking anything else you post without a source cited.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
90.57 ? I don't know where you get your facts from.
His best rating in the 06 playoffs was 81.8 which he had a whopping 1 TD pass with 1 INT. And yes that was in the Superbowl. Where you get the 90.57, I have no idea. Maybe your related to the writer of this article.
by Peyton Sucks on Jun 11, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
punched in a wrong number while doing the calc myself instead of pulling them from ESPN
is that where you got the ridiculously chopped up stats?
Peyton Manning doesn’t throw many touchdowns in the playoffs when you take out the games where he threw a lot? OH RLY?
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Here it is genius courtesy of ESPN- Rating is 81.8 and yes the lowest all-time
SUPERBOWL @CHI W 29-17 25 38 247 65.8 6.50 53 1 1 1.0 81.8 1 0 0.0 0 0
by Peyton Sucks on Jun 11, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
And...
This is why stats are utterly useless. 81.8 QB rating? You don’t say. Lowest of any Super Bowl MVP? Gasp! Watch the friggin’ game. Sure, Manning threw an interception in Super Bowl XLI, it amounted to a punt and was intended to stretch out Chicago’s defense (you can only see this by watching the game and knowing football). He had a fumble as well. It was the fumble bowl, and is one of the worst (if not THE worst) weather and field conditions of any Super Bowl in the history of the league.
What you will also note is that for the bulk of the game, after the first couple of possessions, Manning led the offense brilliantly. He kept the Bears defense on their heels by mixing up runs, short passes, and some strikes further down field which would result in first downs and help the Colts continue dominating time of possession.
Sure, the Bears did a lot to lose the game, with all of the fumbles, with Grossman’s poor play. Understand this though, Manning kept their vaunted defense guessing and helped to surgically tear them apart for much of the game. The pressure placed on the Bears offense was huge as the game went on and their defense grew tired.
It was the biggest stage Manning has ever played on and he handled it well. He did not try to do too much. He took what the defense gave him. He efficiently moved the ball down the field and settled for field goals when necessary. He used his weapons and tore their defense down.
It was a team effort, of course, as all championships will be. The Colts defense deserves a lot of credit and the team’s running backs were outstanding. Still, Manning managed much of the game to keep pressure on the Bears and to keep his team on top of the score board, he did well enough that his team won going away.
So please, spare me the statistical discussion. Stop defending him with stats, comparing one number to another (QB rating). The argument is null and void when you watch the tape.
by bamock on Jun 12, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stats aren't useless
they are like any tool, they can be misused (by any tool as this case shows).
It’s pretty obvious that he’s chopping the twisting the stats, all of which are from a small sample.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd for factualityness
Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.
Some more
The Colts have 9 playoff appearances in the last 10 years and have been ousted in the first round 6 times. That’s a 66% fail rate in the first round. Brady and the Pats have had 9 playoff appearances. Have never been ousted in the first round and in the 6 appearances have 3 rings, 4 Superbowl appearances, 4 AFC championships and 5 AFC appearances. Brady knows how to win in the playoffs. Manning does not. If your high powered offense can’t score more than 18 points, you’re not going to win. BTW, he averages around 26 PPG in the regular season. Talk about underperforming. Manning couldn’t carry Brady’s jock strap.
And they didn't cheat or nothing.......right?
I mean, all thoughs wins are clean wins. Hey, when is the last time your former all star LB shot up some steriods? Its pretty easy to run a offense when you know what play the defense is running. My advice to you stay off this site if you don’t want your reputation ruined. BTW 18-1………oh yeah *.
OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!
by colts9318rock on Jun 10, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Bill Simmons?
Is that you
right age, and likes LA (where Simmons lives) teams
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 10, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And I thought some Pats fans were smart
At least the ones that came onto Colts fan’s sites. I love debating with a good, smart Pats fan. Sadly you are not one. If you cannot see that, in the NFL, defense is king. The one year Peyton had it in the playoffs, golly George, he won the damn Super Bowl. Tom Brady has, for the most part, had stellar defenses behind him every year, and he won three titles. His defenses were better, he won more titles, end of story. When Manning has lost, with the exception of the 2003 AFC Title game, in which he admittedly played awful, the defense has been bad, like the 07 game against SD, or the 2005 game against Pittsburgh (where his O-Line was absolute garbage as well). The games Brady has lost, except for the 2005 divisional game in Denver, where Brady threw the game-turning pick in the end zone, the Pats defense gave up 32 points (to PEYTON, btw), and then the game winning TD against the Giants. Defense wins championships. That is obvious. That is also why the Colts should be the better team this year.
"smart Pats fan"-lol
refer to the comment 8 up from this one. He is new. Lets cut him some slack. We’ve already owned him numerous ways.
OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!
by colts9318rock on Jun 10, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
lol 18 points
like the number the high powered Brady led pats scored in the 07 SB?
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 11, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
NFLN Strikes again
ESPN and NFLN are so up Brady and the pats’ asses, neither are worth watching anymore during football season outside of actual games played. Peyton is not the most clutch QB ever, no question, but he is extremely clutch, as BBS laid out above, and is definitely more clutch than the most overrated quarterback and probably most overrated athlete in general of all time, Tom Brady. The guy who rode his defenses and adam viniatieri to three super bowls. The guy who chokes when those two variables are not in play.
Brady is a great QB, today’s second best to Manning, no doubt, but to the idiots claiming not only hes better than Peyton, but implying he’s greatest ever??? Nice try ESPN & NFLN. Brady’s one great season in ‘07 was due to his unbelievable supporting cast and an offensive set most teams had never seen. Manning’s 04 season was better. Much, in fact. Had manning played as much as brady and ran up the score as much as brady rather than be classy and sit out most 4th quarters/2nd halves and basically all of week 17, he would have thrown 60. Cris Carter is an idiot (Manning’s window is closing because he’s old? Yet “young” guys like Brady will win another? HE’S ONE YEAR YOUNGER CRIS!!! Just being a former NFL star should not get you an analyst job). All of NFLN guys are morons, pretty much. Manning is a great clutch QB, should be on the list, and does not fall out of kayaks needing to be rescued (that last part was a joke, pat trolls).
Remember 2004?
Colts (13-3) owned the best offense with 522 points scored; Steelers owned the best defense with the fewest points allowed (251); the national media was all over those two teams and clearly owned the Patriots by way of press coverage (Pats defense not strong enough for Colts, Pats offense couldn’t score enough to beat Steelers, etc…)
Remember the Chargers bandwagon crammed solid with giddy media members riding out their sexy pick of the year???? Who cares? I bet you can find as many if not more articles from the Manning – Brady era picking Manning over Brady in their written comparisons and on-air specials. Doesn’t change or affect in the least anything that’s going to happen come September – or even in training camp (season-ending injuries anyone?)
Keep the faith!
Is it September yet?
I would like to see it play out on the field. Commentators and analysts tend to make me sick. Unless their homeristic fans like me, of course =p Not guys paid to be intelligent about the sport, though. Ugh.
by coltsfanawalt on Jun 11, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
did you mean
“guys paid to sound intelligent” instead? I don’t think there’s enough money in the world to pay for them to all be intelligent.
Keep the faith!
rough one, eh?
I know the feeling…alot.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 11, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem
Is with ESPN and NFLN’s love affair with NE and Brady. I know it wasn’t always like this, but the bias among analysts is becoming increasingly obvious and it sickens me. I do think Brady belongs on the list and is an excellent QB, and believe at the same time that he is extremely overrated…in terms of what the networks try to make him out to be. They try to make him sound like just the ultimate immortal football player and that everyone should be amazed and sexually aroused every time his cleats hit the field. The dude tore the hell out of his ACL and MCL and they act like it never happened. He no longer has McDaniels (not a big deal at all IMO, but since the networks keep saying how much the Colts will hurt after losing Moore and Mudd even though they aren’t, why not throw that in?) and much of his D (Both team’s Harrison’s are gone, yet only one will be detrimental and catastrophic to his team. I’ll let you guess which one they seem to think). He’s been off the field for a year and the rest of the league has adapted since ’07. He is not superhuman. He is not the best ever. Nor do I think Peyton is, although I want him to be.
Brady can do no wrong.
Tom Brady has never lost a Super Bowl. He has never had an elite defense to bail him out. Tom Brady calls all his own plays. Tom Brady doesn’t need an offensive line because he can stop pass rushers with his mind. Tom Brady has never thrown an interception except on purpose, (to give the other side a chance.) Tom Brady can’t be injured, (he just wanted to let his friend Matt play some.) Tom Brady can play defense too. Last year he snuck in and played a few snaps at linebacker, watch the tape closely. Tom Brady is almost the coolest guy on the planet. Tom Brady could be president. If Tom Brady was president he could bomb the Taliban with perfectly thrown spirals of Death. You know he wouldn’t miss Osama Bin Laudin because he’s the most accurate passer of all time. If Tom Brady was president GM wouldn’t of gone bankrupt. Tom Brady can time travel. The Pats actually won the Super Bowl last year but Tom Brady wanted to let Pittsburgh catch up.
Excerpt from Chris Collensworth’s Script for the First Pat’s game.
by Believe in Blue on Jun 11, 2009 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The article is stupid...period.
I will say, however, as a fan of the NFL that I really have no problem with Brady being on the list. Peyton not being on the list is a travesty. Marino on the list…give me a break. What I do find funny here is that this has turned into an anti Pats post as opposed to the actual stupidity of the premise of a “clutch” QB. Just sayin…all great QBs will win some and “choke” some away..they all do! It is the nature of being great, you take the chances to win and make the play. Peyton should be on the list!
That's because...
Pats fans want to bash on Peyton every chance they get. Anyone on here who thinks Brady doesn’t belong on the list, is probably engaged in Brady-hate. He belongs on the list, in my opinion. Any Pats fan who suggests that Peyton does not is just ignorant and involved in Manning-hate. So… it’s whatever. Not including Manning is stupid. He belongs on the list, period. So does Brady.
Analysts are the problem
They cannot to any effect be non-biased. I have absolutely no problem with Brady being on the list. He is, like I said, a great QB, is clutch due to being very cool in the pocket while having terriffic accuracy and arm strength. My rant above was written directly after I read the peyton sucks posts, and I got a little fired up. Though I stand by what I wrote.
My distaste for Brady/Pats is more due to the fact of how the “experts” in the media slobber all over them and constantly show little respect to the Colts, recently (pretty much since ’07-on). The list itself is terrible, as are most lists on NFLN, but to not have Manning in the top 10 is absolute stupidity, or complete hating. Maybe a bit of both. The fact that they have Marino on there, who I am a huge fan of, proves their stupidity. Not his inclusion, but to say he is clutch and Peyton is not is just insane.
For the record
Anyone with a user name like Peyton Sucks should be taken with a grain of salt. They obviously have issues. In this case, the user only has a membership at Stampede Blue. One would think such a fan would have activity on his team’s site, but no. Just here.
So either he is only a hater with no involvement on friendly blogs elsewhere and should therefore be ignored for his exclusively negative bias, or he is a coward who blogs regularly elsewhere, but has a unique user name for this site just to be at liberty to say whatever without being connected to it otherwise.
Bottom line, even if someone delusionally thinks that Brady is better than Manning or even close to as good as Manning, that is one thing. For them to say Peyton sucks, that isn’t a rational person. Just someone trying to get a rise. Best to ignore such a critter.
My two cents.
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