Grossman reportedly close to deal with Texans

by slash196 on Jun 11, 2009 4:11 PM EDT Comment 49 comments

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/nfl_tracker/posts/67181-agent-rex-grossman-will-visit-houston-texans?eref=fromSI

File this one under "Please God let this happen". If you thought the Rosencopter was great, imagine Indy playing the Texans twice a year with Grossman under center.

Those of you who were alive three years ago may remember Rex Grossman as the Indiana native son who did his home state the greatest service in history by lofting two awful interceptions, earning many Colts fans' vote for MVP of the game. Chicago is sick of him, but here in Indiana we can't get enough of the guy. So this new deal sounds almost too good to be true.

You might as well put Hayden down for two TDs a year if this thing goes through. Fingers crossed...

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Stampede Blue's writers or editors.

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They couldn't have found a more appropriate replacement for the Rosenchoppa

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by shake n bake on Jun 11, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Grossman isn’t his replacement, Dan Orlovsky is.

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by KingRichard on Jun 11, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Either one works for me.

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by peytonsthebest on Jun 11, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orlovsky is even more of a joke than Rexy

at least Grossman has had stretches of competent play

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by shake n bake on Jun 11, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um…what? Orlovsky has a lot of potential. Everytime I watched him play I felt like had couple be pretty good if placed in the right situation. Grossman just sucks.

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by KingRichard on Jun 11, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orlosky couldn't even get on the field for the LIONS for most of the last 4 years

Grossman certainly sucks, but he’s played well enough to convince a team to start him. Orlosky was an injury replacement for the Lions.

Orlosky was passed over for the starting job in favor of Jon Kitna, then benched for Dante Culpepper, he only played while Kitna was hurt and Culpepper hadn’t learned the playbook and then after Culpepper joined Kitna on IR.

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by shake n bake on Jun 11, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Orlosky couldn’t even get on the field for the LIONS for most of the last 4 years

I’m pretty sure it had to do with the fact that Kitna was there, who is a veteran QB with a lot of experience. He was riding the bench to learn be tutored under Kitna. Everyone knows that.

Also, the only reason he lost his starting spot to Culpepper is because he broke is freakin thumb…on his throwing hand. What did you expect?

Grossman certainly sucks, but he’s played well enough to convince a team to start him. Orlosky was an injury replacement for the Lions.

No, you don’t know what you are talking about.

Orlosky was passed over for the starting job in favor of Jon Kitna, then benched for Dante Culpepper, he only played while Kitna was hurt and Culpepper hadn’t learned the playbook and then after Culpepper joined Kitna on IR.

Wrong again, refer to above.

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by KingRichard on Jun 11, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is, he was riding the bench to be tutored under Kitna.

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by KingRichard on Jun 11, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol groomed to replace Kitna?

The Lions have brought in Garcia, Harrington, O’Sullivan, Stanton, a McCown, Kitna, Culpepper, Henson in the time Orlosky was on the roster. If they had a plan at QB it didn’t involve Orlosky prominently.

I missed the broken thumb, but he still didn’t play until Kitna got hurt, making him still an injury replacement for the Lions, making me right.

Grossman won a starting QB job, Orlosky was a long term 2nd/3rd QB who started after the team’s real starter got hurt.

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by shake n bake on Jun 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and how does tutored under Kitna make any sense

if the Lions gave both of them the boot after last season?

If Orlosky was their long term plan why did they let him go after he got his chance to start, and looked or showed signs of being “pretty good”?

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by shake n bake on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's the lions

To respond to the following: “If Orlosky was their long term plan why did they let him go after he got his chance to start, and looked or showed signs of being "pretty good"?”

by jocre on Jun 12, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never said Orlovsky was being “groomed to place Kitna.” I said he didn’t get the starting job because Kitna, a veteran QB, was there playing over him. Orlovsky hasn’t received hardly any playing time since coming into the league, so it would make sense to bench him behind a vet like Kitna to learn from him. Unless you think Orlovsky was doing something else. Playing scrabble perhaps? I dunno.

The Lions have brought in Garcia, Harrington, O’Sullivan, Stanton, a McCown, Kitna, Culpepper, Henson in the time Orlosky was on the roster. If they had a plan at QB it didn’t involve Orlosky prominently.

Who cares? The fact is, it was Orlovsky’s job to lose. Culpepper being signed didn’t mean he was being brought in to replace Orlovsky. Kitna went on IR and they needed a competent backup. I mean, if you had a choice, who would you rather sign: Dante Culpepper or Tim Rattay? The reason I bring up Rattay is because the Lions brought him in a week before Culpepper. Obviously you are going to go with Culpepper, but the Lions bringing in Rattay just proves they weren’t looking to replace Orlovsky off the bat, they just needed another QB.

I missed the broken thumb, but he still didn’t play until Kitna got hurt, making him still an injury replacement for the Lions, making me right.

Well duh? The Lions had no reason to start Orlovsky over Kitna unless, like I said earlier, he started sucking or was injured.

Grossman won a starting QB job, Orlosky was a long term 2nd/3rd QB who started after the team’s real starter got hurt.

lol Nice argument. “Well if Grossman won a starting spot on an NFL team that means he’s good right?!?!” Pulease. There are a ton of horrible starting QBs who have “won” their starting spot. Horrible, horrible argument.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've already said he sucks

they both suck, we are arguing who sucks more. Winning and holding a starting job takes a significant amount of not completely sucking while Orlosky backed up a QB who is no longer a starter himself.

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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not arguing who sucks more. I’m arguing the fact you don’t know what you are talking about when it comes to Orlovsky’s talent level and potential, which has been proven already.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

then continuing this is pointless

because as long as I disagree with you’ll say I “don’t know what I’m talking about”.

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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagreeing and being wrong are two totally different things. Just admit it for once, you’re wrong. There’s nothing wrong in being wrong as long as you are willing to admit it.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was wrong about Orlosky thumb injury I admitted that

I have no problem admitting mistakes, but this is a difference of opinion on something as subjective as talent level and potential. I think I’m right, you think you are, because it’s subjective opinion.

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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You weren’t wrong about Orlovsky’s thumb injury, you didn’t even mention it. You were wrong about the entire series of events that lead to Orlovsky becoming the starter and losing his starting position. Big difference.

You basically came out of the blocks claiming Orlovsky was worse than Grossman for a slew of ridiculous reasons, which were all wrong, accompanied with the fact that you didn’t know the backstory to what happened this year. So yeah, pardon me if I believe your “subjective” opinion on Dan Orlovsky is extremely bad and just flat our wrong.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was wrong on one detail

that Orlosky was benched for Culpepper instead of being injured.

Orlosky still sat until Kitna was hurt and didn’t get the job back until Culpepper’s season ended by injury.

I missed a detail, it doesn’t invalidate all the things I had right in the arguments.

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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and how are you even going to pretend your argument isn't entirely subjective

this is how you came out of the gates

Everytime I watched him play I felt like had couple be pretty good if placed in the right situation. Grossman just sucks.

You felt? So objective. This is all about how you feel about a player. Your feelings aren’t proof to anyone but yourself.

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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s funny how you are trying to discredit my argument because it is infact a subjective opinion. The funnier part is, you never articulated an argument for why you think Orlovsky is bad, aside from the fact that he “lost it” to Culpepper, and has been riding the bench for a while in that shithole called Detroit.

I watched the guy play and I saw a lot of potential there. You knew nothing about him, but yet you claim he sucks because of the aforementioned reasons. But yet you are arguing how your “opinion” is just as valid as mine. haha ok

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm saying that "your wrong admit it"

is pointless in a subjective argument.

I’ve seen him play too, I just understand that different people see different things and come to different conclusions on some players in watching games, so I based my arguments on objective facts.

After 3 years Orlosky was still sitting on the bench for a team that didn’t have a starting caliber quarterback.

The Lions post-Millen FO chose to keep Culpepper over Orlosky even though he’s older and more expensive.

and He didn’t even play that well with most of his poor production came from lobbing the ball to Megatron, or Megatron turning a 3 yard slant into a 30 yard TD.

what are your reasons other than you watched him and think you saw some potential, and that I got a detail on his season wrong?

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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and if they thought Orlosky was any good, or their best QB

why would they keep Dante Culpepper at 5 million dollars, and not top the Texans 3.05 mil a year (3 year) contract?

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And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To quote jocre: IT’S THE LIONS! That’s why.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

if you are going to read into the Lions moves as having some competence

like keeping Orlosky for him to be tutored and reading into the order they signed guys.

Then you can’t just write off every move that doesn’t fit your argument with “they’re the Lions”. Either their personnel moves are valid evidence for player skill (or lack thereof) or they aren’t.

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by shake n bake on Jun 12, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The players skill has nothing to do with that argument. The point was their FO is notorious for making completely boneheaded moves.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Did you see him run out of bounds in the endzone?

by furrycolt on Jun 11, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And?

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by KingRichard on Jun 11, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“and” awareness of the field is probably THE most crucial skill for a QB to have, and running out of the back of the endzone without even realizing it is probably the least aware play ever made.

by slash196 on Jun 12, 2009 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mmk, so now all of the sudden he just sucks because he ran out of the back of the endzone right? It was a mistake, everyone makes mistakes. Even PEYTON MANNING makes mistakes.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Naw.

Peyton NEVER makes a mistake. ever.
lol, btw

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 12, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

Peyton makes one mistake in every 1000 tries.

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by TheTealDeal on Jun 18, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Peyton ain’t never ran out the back of no end zone.

by slash196 on Jun 12, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Orlovsky has never thrown 6 interceptions in one game.

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by KingRichard on Jun 12, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's low, man.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 12, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Holy Crap! This argument is getting serious

if you’re gonna throw Peyton under the bus. When you refer to his 6 interceptions you should always add an asterisk, that he brought us back and had it won if not for the idiot kicker. (sorry Adam)

"I throw, you catch, it's not that hard."

by Indy Lori on Jun 12, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think the more important point is that he’s never thrown six touchdowns in one game.

by slash196 on Jun 13, 2009 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I think the most important point is none of this really matters. haha

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by KingRichard on Jun 13, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Grossman vs Orlosky

craps vs herpes

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by shake n bake on Jun 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've been reading lately that this could the Texans year.

But I thought Matt Schaub was the man. If Grossman is under center, that’s better for us. I think he’s met Mathis.

"I throw, you catch, it's not that hard."

by Indy Lori on Jun 11, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It been better for everybody

imagine Texans going 0-6 against divisonal rivals.

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by TheTealDeal on Jun 18, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Late to join in

I think Orlovsky shows some real potential. He actually did decent filling in for the pathetic Lions last season. I think he is a great improvement over Rosenfels.

The Texans did well to unload Rosenfels to the Vikings for a fourth round draft pick when the Vikings could’ve done just as well in free agency. Instead the Texans upgraded their backup QB spot with Orlovsky plus got an extra draft pick out of the deal. Good for them.

by coltsfanawalt on Jun 13, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this was the lamest KR vs, shake debate ever

at least argue about a relevant topic, I don’t see how it can get so heated debating the level of incompetence of two blah players.

by torontocoltsfan on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You thought that was a heated debate? haha

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by KingRichard on Jun 16, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

common colts chatter, all of Stampede Blue could see the vein on your neck pulsating when shake dared to slander the great dan orlovsky.

by torontocoltsfan on Jun 17, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, well, your reading comprehension and interpretation of what I was saying and the tone I was using is completely wrong. I was calm as a cucumber bra.

I really wish people around here would get it through there head once and for all that I don’t always get really pissed off when someone disagrees with me and want nothing more than to tell them to f-off. You can ask anyone that knows me, I like a good debate. Is there something wrong with that?

Look at it this way. Whenever shake and I argue, I compare it to a good political debate. To people up on their pulpits passionately expressing their points. At the end of the day, all is well and there are no harsh feelings. That’s the definition of an “argument.”

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by KingRichard on Jun 17, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know KR, I was just kidding, the tone of this debate was much calmer than some past ones.

by torontocoltsfan on Jun 17, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To be fair

I think Orlovsky is pretty good. To those of you who say, “well why did the LIONS cuts hiM!>!??!?!!?” All I have to say is… because they are the Lions. They don’t make very good player/personal decisions.

I watched Orlovsky quite a bit last year and I think he has real potential. I also have a good trait record about this… in 2002 I said David Garrard had a lot of potential for the Jaguars.

by MasterRWayne on Jun 21, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs