Jim Caldwell: What to expect?
SI.com’s John Mullin posted an article claiming that new Indianapolis Colts coach Jim Caldwell is in a "no-win situation." Mullin, who is does not seem to write this in order to stir up any silly "controversy" or anything, seems to genuinely think that Caldwell is in a thankless role as Indy's new head coach.
Follow the logic: If the Colts win the Super Bowl, the credit goes to Peyton Manning and by extension to Tony Dungy, who set the bar by winning one three seasons ago. If they don't, it's Caldwell's fault.
Well, for starters, if the Colts are fortunate enough to win another Super Bowl, the "credit" will certainly go to Jim Caldwell. That credit will come from owner Jim Irsay and President Bill Polian. If Jim Mullin is talking about Caldwell getting credit from, say, the media... well, no offense to Jim Mullin, but Jim Caldwell could give a crap whether the media will give him credit for coaching Indy to a Super Bowl. And if the Colts do not win anything, Caldwell will get the same treatment every other coach gets when they don't meet expectations. In truth, the only coach that's "off the hook" in 2009 is Mike Tomlin.
Mullin's article did spark a question: What do Colts fans expect from him in 2009?
Superficial analysis says that the Colts are now inferior to what they were last year. No Tony Dungy = no chance to win a ring. I'm sure similar sentiments were uttered in Pittsburgh after Bill Cowher retired. Like those sentiments, the "No Dungy" arguments doesn't make any sense either. Dungy's greatness is what he built in Indy and Tampa Bay. Yes, he won a lot of games, several division titles, a ring, etc. So did guys like Tom Flores, George Seifert, and Barry Switzer. What makes Dungy on par with the Tom Landrys and Vince Lombardis of football lore is how he went about his work, and what he built along the way. Just as Landry built the Dallas Cowboys, Lombardi the Green Bay Packers, and Don Shula the Miami Dolphins, Tony Dungy turned around two hapless franchises. And just as Jon Gruden showed in 2002, once the foundation is built, even a buffoon like Gruden can win a ring. And last I checked, Jon Gruden took a helluva lot of credit for winning a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team (only to do nothing in the seven years after).
With Caldwell, I know I have my own set of expectations. Since his first press conference, I have been impressed. Within the first few months of a new coach taking over, you often get a good sense of what kind of person he is. Smart coaches (and smart people in general) recognize what works and do not mess with it. Take Tony Dungy, for example. When hired in 2002, the entire defensive coaching staff was fired. Also released were the wide receivers coach, the QB coach, and the tight ends coach. Dungy retained Tom Moore (the offensive coordinator) and Howard Mudd (the o-line coach). The rest you know.
Another good example is Mike Tomlin. Tomlin came to Pittsburgh after years of coaching Tampa 2-style defense with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Minnesota Vikings. Rather than fire all the defensive personnel (like coordinator Dick Lebeau) and install a system he'd had a tremendous amount of success in, Tomlin opted to keep the 3-4 "Blitzburg" defense the Steelers had used for years. Rather than dump a system that works (and that the team has personnel to run) in favor of something he knows, Tomlin himself opted to learn the system already in place. The results speak for themselves.
Now, wheel all this back to Caldwell. He is retaining the same offensive and defensive systems. Many of the same assistant coaches are coming back, including Moore and Mudd. The two areas Caldwell chose to change (coaching-wise) are areas that have historically been weaknesses for the Colts: Special teams and defense. Caldwell chose to bring in a proven defensive assistant with an impeccable reputation in Larry Coyer. He also (essentially) fired longtime coaching dud Russ Purnell and replaced him with a high-energy coach from the college ranks: Ray Rychleski. So, from a cumulative coaching staff standpoint, one could argue that Indy's coaching staff is actually better than last year's.
So, with a stronger coaching staff, we now shift to the roster. Peyton Manning is still the best QB in football. He still has a strong arsenal of receivers, a new rookie first round pick at running back, and a seemingly healthy offensive line. The defense has several new options at defensive tackle, a seemingly healthy Bob Sanders, and a rejuvenated linebacking corps. Talent-wise, this is one of the deepest teams in the NFL, with lots of playmakers at several key positions.
If the Colts do not win it all in 2009, it will likely be for the same reason they did not win it in 2007 or 2008: Injuries. For three seasons in a row, the Colts have been decimated by critical injuries. They were able to overcome several key injuries in 2006 because of some big front office moves (the Booger McFarland trade for one). In 2007, the injuries to Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis killed their season. Last year, there were so many injuries I almost lost count. Indy lost Marlin Jackson, Bob Sanders, Gary Brackett, Joseph Addai, Ryan Lilja, and (though not injury related) Ed Johnson. Peyton Manning played on one knee most of the year, and Jeff Saturday played much of the season with a torn tendon in his leg.
So, if the Colts can manage to stay reasonably healthy in 2009, they will win a Super Bowl. They have the coaching staff and the roster to do so. And since they can win it all, I know my personal expectation is that they should win it all. And if they do, I can assure you that we fans will give Jim Caldwell all the credit he would certainly deserve. When you win a Super Bowl, there is no "no win situation" about it. You have a ring. No one can deny or demean that without looking like a prick or a sore loser.
Those are my expectations for this team. Do mine mesh with yours?
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Good Feature
My line of thinking is similar to yours. The media definitely puts the blame on the new guy if at all possible, and doesn’t usually attribute success to rookie head coaches when its due.
That being said, he does have big shoes to fill. I’ll admit he seems like a smart guy and he’s made some really good decisions since he’s been hired as head coach. I pretty much agree with your stance, that if healthy, the Colts have a chance to go all the way and win it all again, but looking back at the past few seasons, we haven’t had a lot of luck with the injury bug.
I truly want everyone to stay healthy all season, but thats asking a lot of the team through a 16 game season. Hopefully with more depth at the positions, we’ll be in better shape than in past years, but there are still several positions that I am leary about. And with the loss of Howard Mudd as OL coach, I get even more scared, even though he will be staying on as a consultant.
Further compounding on that is the fact that there are some other really good AFC teams, and being realistic, there are several that could give the Colts a good run for their money. As a colts fan, I want to say absolutely that we will win it all this year, but realistically, I’m afraid that injuries may hamper that ability, and we may go out in the divisional or conference championship again.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
Follow-up
Here’s my current take: The only team that can match-up well with us is New England, who Indy has a 4-1 record against the last five years. San Diego has beaten Indy in the playoffs the last two years mainly because Indy has not been healthy on defense when those teams have played. The AFC South is, in my opinion, weaker than last year. Tennessee no longer has Albert Haynesworth. Jacksonville is in full re-building mode. Houston looks ready to take the next step, but Indy owns a 13-1 record against them.
Also, Indy plays the NFC West this year, meaning teams like Arizona, Seattle, and St. Louis are on the schedule.
So, realistically, I still think Indy is top class in the AFC. And, per usual, the team they are fighting with for supremacy is New England.
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You just contradicted yourself in your second sentence. How is New England the best match-up when the Colts have been dominating them the last few years? The correct answer here is San Diego, which is quite evident due to the last two playoff loses the Colts have suffered at their hand, which you mentioned.
The Chargers weren’t even close to healthy last year, or the year before as well. Two years ago, Gates, their leading receiver was battling a toe injury, Rivers left the game early, and LT was hurt as well. Their 3 best players on offense were all injured.
Last season, their best defensive player was on IR, LT was at half strength again, and Gates was yet again playing hurt. Granted, there was a lot of bs surrounding that win, the fact of the matter is they still won. As far as I’m concerned, until the Colts beat the Chargers in the playoffs, they’re going to be the second or third best team in the AFC.
The best team in the AFC is clearly the Steelers. They’re going into next season exactly how they left off this past season. They have no major injuries, no changes at any position on the team or coaching staff. And they’re the defending champs. New England doesn’t deserve to be labelled “the class of the AFC” with all of the question marks surrouding that team. They have to earn that spot back.
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by KingRichard on Jun 15, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Chargers
The sole reason the Chargers beat us last year is because Gary Brackett didn’t play. ALLLLLL day long Gates beat Buster Davis for key first downs. If we had Brackett, we would have won that game, plain and simple.
I do agree with your analysis that the Patriots have to earn their top spot back, especially with the loss of Rodney Dirty to retirement and several key injuries to linebacker spots.
I’m with you in that we have to worry about Pittsburgh the most. Roethlisberger is becoming a top qb, and with a great running, passing game, and a smothering defense, they are a tough team to beat, especially if we have to play at heinz field.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
it was Keiaho playing the middle in that game
the Bustah experiment had ended by then, and they finally let Hagler out of the doghouse to play.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 15, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Chargers
I disagree about the Brackett thing. GB would have helped a ton, but there were a lot of other factors besides Gates that led to that defeat.
1. No running game. Peyton has to pass 40+ times and can’t even trust a run for 2 yards to ice the game.
2. Special Teams – Colts were pinned deep several times, couldn’t move the ball effectively out of the zone (see #1) and were forced to punt. Hunter hits a line drive right to Sproles who returns about 15 yards and the field position battle was against us all game.
3. Poor defensive tackling and inability to get off the field….no explanation needed.
4. Questionable officiating all game, especially at the end of the game and OT
Brackett would have made a huge difference in terms of leadership and hopefully giving the other guys more confidence, but there is no such thing as a shut down LB cover guy and Gates would have still had his share of receptions or they would have found someone else just like last year.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
Gates went 8 for 87
that tied his top reception game of the season, and was his second most yardage last year, it’s double his average game last season 4 for 44. With Brackett Gates doesn’t has a near average day or worse. 40 yards is a big deal in a one score game
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 15, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure
But I was saying Gates was not the sole factor in that loss.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
no doubt
but I think he was the most preventable.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The most preventable cause of that loss
Was not having a running game that could put away a simple 2 yard gain on two tries.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Brackett
GB didn’t exactly shut anyone down in the 07 Chargers playoff game either, though.
The Colts lost that game by committing too many stupid turnovers, but the defense was letting SD move up and down the field all day just as the Colts were moving it all over the Chargers.
On a side note, if there is one thing I would like to see more of this year, it would be Colt LBs in coverage with their eyes on the QB and not turned around chasing after the WR or TE and getting burned. I guess that goes for the entire secondary too.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
huh
Gates went 2 for 28 despite Rivers/Voleck having a half an hour to pass since Freeney was out and both Mathis and Brock were hobbled.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29522&season=2007&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&week=POST19
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
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by shake n bake on Jun 16, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not talking about Gates anymore
I am talking about how the Chargers were moving the ball up and down the field, using multiple receivers that made big 3rd down conversions in the middle of the field. Brackett is better than Freddy K and obviously better than Bustah, but he’s not the world beater that some of you claim him to be.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
Brackett is better than Lawrence Taylor
and Ray Lewis
combined
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 16, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank You for Mentioning Pittsburgh
I am so much more afraid of the Steelers than New England it is not funny. I realize that SD beat us two straight yeas in the playoffs, but had we just converted a 3rd and 2, we would have beaten them. I am not that scared.
I am terrified of Pittsburgh. They are returning pretty much everyone from that team. They have the best defense in the league, and defense is what counts in this league. They have, in my opinion, the best crunch-time QB in football (better than Peyton, especially after what Ben did last year). They have Mendenhall essentially as a new addition. They are scary. I would put them at the top of the AFC, with us second. I guess the Pats are there, but sadly I am not on their bandwagon like everyone else. There is no way the Pats offense can be as good as the one from 2007. Even in 2007, their offense was not as good after the Indy game. They have major question marks at OL, LB and DB. San Diego is a talented team, yet perenially hurt and underacheiving. Also, the NFL is not predictible. Everyone in the media is predicting these four teams to win their divisions, no way that happens.
I expect the Colts, with their deep talented defense and Peyton Manning, to win their division and get the 2 seed (with PIT – who also has an easier schedule – to get the 1), and challenge for the AFC Title.
Preseason AFC Power Rankings (I know they are pointless)
1.) Pittsburhg
2.) Indy
3.) New England
4.) Baltimore
5.) Houston
6.) San Diego (I know they beat us, so here’s hoping some one else knocks them out)
I am terrified of Pittsburgh
You do realize that we beat them last year in Pittsburgh, right?
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 15, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a close game that we SHOULD have won
I’d say they are both opponents to respect and teams that certainly could win. But I wouldn’t start to be terrified of them.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrified of Them may be strong
I’ll just say that I fear them more than any team in the AFC. I fear them more than SD, which supposedly “owns” us and I fear them more than New England, who is by far the most overrated team I have ever seen.
Things to note about P'burgh
They are adding a first round pick runner who sat out all last year. As noted, they are returning most of the SB winning team.
But as we all know, winning the SB is as much about timing and peaking at the right moment as anything else. We CRUSHED them at home the year they returned the favor in the playoffs and won it all. NO guarantee they rule the roost this coming postseason.
But they are probably no weaker than they were last year, and certainly formidable. Probably fewer unknowns than NE, which is getting back a QB who has been off for a year and will have an untested leg at first—plus less QB depth.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Very much agreed
I think the only real teams that have even a chance of beating Indianapolis would be the Steelers, Patriots, Chargers, and maybe the Ravens or Texans (mostly because they are familiar with us and who I think will be taking a big step forward this season)
I agree that the Titans are much weaker without Albert Haynesworth and Jax is hurting all over the place.
Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"
I think Pats, Chargers and Steelers are the biggest rivals, just as they are every year. The Chargers have good talent, an average coach, an overachieving QB and an aging RB. BUT they always seem to make 1 more play than the Colts in recent playoff games. On paper, the Colts should win those games every time, but the Chargers find a way to do it. The Pats are going to be good as long as Brady and Bellicheck are there. The Steelers should be good as long as LeBeau is running the D and Roethlisberger is a gutty QB that pulls plays out of his a$$ several times a game.
I don’t care if the Colts are the #1 or #2 seed, as long as they win the division and get at least 1 home playoff game. I think they have as much talent as any team, and an aggressive defensive approach will pay off as the year goes on and those guys (hopefully) see less time consuming drives even if the result is the potential for more big plays for the other team.
Just like every year, it’s going to come down to 1 or 2 key plays that can go either way. If the Colts make the plays, they can win it all. But if they don’t, it will be a lot tougher.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
We definitely have the components
to win another SB. With the changes to the D and ST, I am very, very excited for this season. If we can keep injuries to a minimum (please, dear Lord) there is absolutely NO reason we shouldn’t win it all.
The anticipation for this season is killing me…
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 15, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
That remains to be seen
Whether or not we have a running game has yet to be seen. We certainly didn’t have one last year and Brown has yet to prove that he can bring it on the field at the next level.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 15, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I do believe that the O-Line will be greatly improved though. (Holding Breath) The run game couldn’t be worse than last year, could it? (Still Holding Breath)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 15, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The run game couldn’t be worse than last year, could it?
I don’t see how. We were next to last in yards gained and DEAD LAST in yards per carry.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Being worse is almost unfathomable. If this talent is healthy AND worse in production, that means they are playing 9 in the box and Manning goes off for 6,000 yards and 60 TDs.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
lol
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 15, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine with me.
Addai will have less chance getting injured then ;-)
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Man, I need a life...
Random facts of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I'm going to be going to Missouri (where there is no Internet or computers) for 2 weeks starting Monday, so I've got 3 of these for you.
1. You may have noticed before, but I love Scrubs. A lot. No seriously, I'm addicted to it, and here's why with this thrown in.
2. When you put thermite and blocks of ice together, you get a big boom. Nobody really knows why.
3. The Colts' (Indy and Baltimore's) all-time franchise record is 438-428-8. So, the Colts' just recently (2007 season) broke .500. That really tells you how bad the Colts were before Peyton.
the main reason the chargers beat us last year was their punter had the greated punting-day in playoff history. the fact that KO couldn’t cover gates for crap didn’t help, but i give a vast majority of the credit for that win to mike scifres; he absolutely killed us.
my expectations are the same as they were the last few years: 11-13 wins and serious super bowl contention. the chargers, pats, and steelers are clearly right there with us in the afc as well.
Let's be realistic here
The Chargers had EVERYTHING break their way, and they still needed OT to beat the Colts. If Brackett was in there, they probably get 3 or 4 fewer 1st downs, and do not tie the game. If Scifres was not the demigod son of Zeus and kicks those balls 5 yards shorter or with less hangtime, we maybe pick up one more 1st down, and the game never gets tied. If Addai gets 2 yards on one single run… same thing. OMG, until I re-read the posts above I forgot about the officiating—three consecutive penalties in OT while Freeney is having his sinuses massaged through his facemask by McNeil. If you believe in the team of destiny crap (like the Steelers in 2006) then last year was the Chargers’ year. They had the playoff game handed to them and couldn’t make it work in the end.
I agree with the loose consensus—if healthy, we should at least make the AFCCG against the Steelers, Pats, maybe Chargers, maybe Ravens. They all have good QBs and Ds, and mostly competent coaching.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
Oh, and to be fair to Gruden
The year they won the SB he was instrumental in the SB preparations by playing scout team QB as Gannon. Without that, it’s a closer game. It probably says more about Callahan that he didn’t change their audibles than it says about Gruden, but Gruden in effect moved the infield in for a bunter and the outfield out for sluggers that he knew very well, and put his guys in a perfect position to win the big one because they essentially scrimmaged against the Raiders all week.
Now that was pretty random; if only they played his old team every week….
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
AND
they still had to win their playoff games in order to get to the SB that year.
Warren Sapp even agreed in the America’s Game profile of the Bucs that year that the change at coach was the best thing for that team (that year at least). Of course hindsight is 20/20 but the end result speaks for itself.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
"So, if the Colts can manage to stay reasonably healthy..."
To this end they should make one more change, Jon Torine the Strength and Conditioning Coach.
by the_iowa_hawkeye on Jun 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
I've wondered about this for a few years, too....
Perhaps Dr Blue can look into various teams track records for games missed to injury, and see if that correlates to any specific S&C coaches. Results presented in a 2 × 2 matrix in PowerPoint.
I love delegating. I feel so managerial. If you need me, I’ll be on the golf course.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
LMAO!!
That was so awesome, that I might just take you up on it.
Of course we Whartonites can’t do anything by ourselves… is your wife available to collaborate? lol
How can you not love a team that does this?
She hates football AND the Colts in particular
She keeps reminding me she liked it before she met me and this little obsession she THINKS I have about a certain team in blue and white. I try to slowly get her back into football, even if it’s our lame local college team (just signed Joe Montana’s son to play QB), so maybe in a few years.
I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.
If Manning plays the season
I expect the Colts to make the playoffs. Anything less than that is a failure.
If the rest of the team stays reasonably healthy, I think we’re good enough to play in the AFC title game and, once there, we’re good enough to win the Super Bowl again.
This is my train of thought as well
My only goal that I judge the Colts on is whether or not they make the playoffs. I do not care if they win the AFC, or even the AFC South, as long as they get in. How many past Super Bowl winners were not Division winners?
Once the playoffs start it’s a completely new story. The “season” has started all over again.
If injuries take a year off.......
We win 13 or better, and the trophy. The upside with our draft this year, coupled with the schedule is damned near limitless. The O line seems highly motivated, the D looks upgraded. If injuries are all healed, maybe we spoil the ex Dolphins champagne party. By the way I am an optimist at the beginning of the year, every year.
well minus last year it's pretty easy to be optimistic about the Colts early in the season.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 15, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Chargers
The Chargers will also be getting their favorite roided out monster back. If I had to pick teams to worry about, it would definitely be the Chargers and the Steelers. Both have the defense they equals recipe for disaster for the Colts until they find some sort of running game. I wouldn’t sleep in the Texans either. If they can keep Shaub healthy all year, they will have a very strong squad.
by bleedinblueandgold on Jun 15, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions
I wouldn't sleep in the Texans either.
That Hydrochloric acid will dissolve me as I sleep.
/nerdy chemistry joke
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Man, I need a life...
Random facts of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I'm going to be going to Missouri (where there is no Internet or computers) for 2 weeks starting Monday, so I've got 3 of these for you.
1. You may have noticed before, but I love Scrubs. A lot. No seriously, I'm addicted to it, and here's why with this thrown in.
2. When you put thermite and blocks of ice together, you get a big boom. Nobody really knows why.
3. The Colts' (Indy and Baltimore's) all-time franchise record is 438-428-8. So, the Colts' just recently (2007 season) broke .500. That really tells you how bad the Colts were before Peyton.
the chargers beat us because of one reason,
their punter, Mike Scifres(?). I have never seen a player dominate a game the way he dominated that playoff game. I remember listening to everyone talk about how great Sproles was, sorry the PUNTER beat us!
Whoever said
the chargers own us? Everyone used to say that about the Pats, too. I think we’ve done a good job of proving that myth wrong.
As far as Caldwell goes, he has already started to put his stamp on the team. As long as our defense improves, which it should with all that depth, he will get the credit.
As long as we stay healthy, we should have the weapons to go all the way. This is an odd number year, so at least we know Bobzilla will be healthy. lol
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I said the Chargers own us. It’s a fact.
Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.
I hate to say it
But until further notice, our biggest rival is the Chargers. How could it not be. I don’t care what anyone thinks about the reasons for our losses against them. When we lost regularly to the Patriots we had similar feelings and theories about those games. They’re garbage.
The Chargers have something coming to them. If the Colts are going to be great, this year or moving forward, they’ll have to deliver it. Until then, the Chargers have owned us. Don’t like how it tastes? Me either. I say it’s time to get serious and smoke those boys. I hope this team can do it, and I’m confident that they can. But I do not fear the Steelers or the Titans or the Patriots. I am confident we can beat them week in or out. Until we beat up on the Chargers, I will feel like they are the team to beat. Period.
Agreed.
I hate to admit it, but the Chargers have become our Patriots. The monkey on our backs, so to speak. We need to BEAT down the Chargers before we can lose the monkey. Kinda like that Monday night game in 04 vs. the Pats in Foxboro…we (Peyton) destroyed the Pats and everything in the world was brought into balance…very Zen, no? We need to do that to the Chargers before we can say they don’t own us.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 16, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To add...
For another Super Bowl run to be complete, if we indeed prove capable this year, the playoff journey in my mind wouldn’t taste nearly sweet enough if we didn’t defeat the Chargers and the Patriots on the way to the Super Bowl. I desire playing the best, I desire the best match-ups. I want to make a statement. Hopefully we’ll have the chance this year and take advantage of it.
That would make it all perfect and perhaps include Pittsburgh.
All three of them in one playoff run would be awesome!
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 16, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
My sanity would beg to differ.
Yeah, so I sold out, do something about it! Like read my site Colts Chatter.
by KingRichard on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you can take it.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 16, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that means that we don't get a Bye
And get, most likely, two of those on the road. That would not be good.
I don’t think San Diego owns us. This is different than when NE beat us continuously for years. The regular season games were both close (we should have won in 2003), but they smacked us around in the playoffs. Give them the credit they deserve. They were great in 03 and 04, and especially against us. Now video may have helped, but they were pretty damn good anyway.
The Chargers are different. We were two yards from beating them in the playoffs this year. We were never that close to the Pats. We beat them in the regular season, should have easily beat them in the 07 regular season in a game Peyton threw 6 picks in. Even the playoff game was closer than either of the Pats playoff games. The Pats owned us for a while, the Chargers have just barely beaten us. It is different.
Now, the Pats owned us until they didn’t (we have won four out of the last five). Same thing with San Diego. However, I disagree about wanting to go through New England and San Diego. We have already slayed the New England dragon in the regular season and the playoffs. That’s done. Beating them again is not necessary. Unless we blow them out, it never will be better than the 06 Title game. I want Pittsburgh, if anything. They beat us when we had our best team, and I still want revenge for that.
I can't imagine anything being better than the 06 game.
That said, I still think we need to beat SD in the playoffs. I know it was close (thanks to the refs) this year and the year before that Peyton put us in a position to win… I want to beat them so badly that no matter what crap calls/non-calls the refs hand us there is NO chance we lose. And, I’d rather not have a missed field goal decide the game. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 31-10 would suit me just fine.
I agree about Pitt and revenge. I still feel like I’ve been kicked in the stomach when I think about that one. (Side note: SD was the first team to beat us that year…just sayin’)
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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Actually it was 05 – still had Cancerjagt in 04.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
thanks.
just to think: I actually proof-read that…ugh.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 16, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the Stampede of
love on this site for Sixsburgh. I think every time Pittsburgh is given credit as one of the top contenders Baltimore needs to be given credit as well. Their whole organization is practically a copy of us and each of those three losses were one big play away from a different outcome.
Kudo’s for the well informed and intelligent conversations I have seen on this site.
For what its worth I’d like to see NE be beaten 21-10. Of course more enjoyable still is beaten 28-3.
A Steeler fan......
I did not know that you guys knew how to use modern technology like computers, seeing how blue-collar and hardworking your town is. I kid, of course.
Yeah, count me as someone who is damn impressed by that whole organization. The fact that they are continuously overlooked even though they have been as impressive as anyone the last five years, is amazing. I also have an all-out man crush on Mike Tomlin, so that helps.
I would be really happy being the forgotten team, the team that is always under the radar. It worked for us. The one year that people wrote off our chances in the playoffs, we won the Super Bowl. That’s why I am excited about this season. People are just heaping love on New England, and San Diego (fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me….. HOW CAN WE ALL GET FOOLED BY SAN DIEGO AGAIN), and Pittsburgh, and then Baltimore and Tennessee, and everyone is forgetting about the team that had mass injuries and still went 12-4. That’s fine with me.
Also, I would love to beat NE 21-10 in the playoffs, but we have already beaten them in the playoffs in a much more enthralling and rewarding way. However, for what it is worth, I would love the beat you guys and get revenge for ’05.
2nd Super Bowl win
I will take it any way we can get it.
I would love to beat St. Louis in the Super Bowl.
I would love to beat Oakland in the AFCCG after beating Cincinnati in the Divisional round.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
The Steeler organization
is just damned impressive. Everybody knows about the 6 Super Bowls, but how about this stat: since 1972, the Steelers have only had 4 seasons where they weren’t at least 7-9. Think about what that means — in about 3.5 DECADES the Steelers have only had 4 seasons where they weren’t competitive (i.e. at least within a game of .500). And none of those 4 seasons were back to back; so they never went through an ugly, multi-year rebuilding phase. Again, that’s just damned impressive.
Honestly
As someone who is more a fan of defensive football than offensive football, I wish I could have been born in Pittsburgh at times. I love the Colts. I love Peyton, Marvin, Reggie, Bob, Dwight and everyone else. But the History, the culture, the coaches, Big Ben, the weather, the Steel-Town appeal. I love the Steelers. I wish them all the best, and I wish they would CRUSH New England and pay them back for 2001 and 2004. However, just don’t beat us again. That might kill me.
Well, let's not get crazy here
Agreed about the Patriots getting crushed and us not getting beat, though.
Don't Worry
If the Colts play the Steelers in the playoffs, or in any venue, I will want the Colts to win by 35, pick off Ben 10 times, and just force-feed him shredded Terrible Towels.
However, if we can’t win a second super bowl, I would want the Steelers to get one more.
Never
I can think of 29 other teams that I would rather see win a Super Bowl than Pittsburgh. The only other teams are NE and SD.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
Really
You would rather have a joke of an organization like Jacksonville win one.
If Pittsburgh wins, it also discredits the whole Patriots organization. People were hailing the Pats as some demi-god becuase they were able to “master the salary cap” and “created a new way to win” and “become a dynasty in a league where dynasties are supposed to die” Well if Pittsburgh goes out and wins three out of five in the same decade, those great praises go away slightly. I would much rather have the Steelers as a dynasty than only New England.
They are second, tied with the Giants and Raiders, as teams I would like to win a super bowl after Indy.
The Giants because of the Manning connection. The Raiders because they have gone through so much, and people hammer Al Davis, who was a founder of this league and one of the most influential football minds, it would be a great story.
Yes, even a joke of an organization
Pittsburgh is already the best NFL franchise in terms of SB wins and overall success across several decades now. They can take a few years off.
New England is old balls.
The Colts will win anyways and I hope they play the Giants in the Super Bowl.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me."
I can't consider Baltimore a contender
until they come within 2 touchdowns of us in a game. I know they play tough against the Steelers and other teams, but all I can see right now when I think of Baltimore is Peyton absolutely shredding the Baltimore secondary in the middle of a 3-4 start. They need to give us a game, and they will get another chance this year.
Now a proud annoyance on Stampede Blue, 18to88, Indy Football Report, and Phil B's blog.
Man, I need a life...
Random facts of the week from the empty void that is my mind: I'm going to be going to Missouri (where there is no Internet or computers) for 2 weeks starting Monday, so I've got 3 of these for you.
1. You may have noticed before, but I love Scrubs. A lot. No seriously, I'm addicted to it, and here's why with this thrown in.
2. When you put thermite and blocks of ice together, you get a big boom. Nobody really knows why.
3. The Colts' (Indy and Baltimore's) all-time franchise record is 438-428-8. So, the Colts' just recently (2007 season) broke .500. That really tells you how bad the Colts were before Peyton.
Everyone Relax.
We’re winning the Super Bowl this year.
Just trust me.
Now lets talk about vagina or something…
by I'm Not Alone, I'm Just Blue on Jun 17, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions
way to stay classy.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Thought I was.
Lots of other names for it I coulda gone with.
Point is…
Pittsburgh – Blah Blah Blah
New England – Blah Blah Blah
San Diego – Blah Blah Blah
If this year’s squad stays healthy, which I believe will overall, we win. Gonna be that kinda year for us.
Just a gut feeling.
Now, where were we?
by I'm Not Alone, I'm Just Blue on Jun 17, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Will you remind everyone what you said when it is proven wrong.
by steelerstyle on Jun 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not wrong.
There are indeed lots of other names for vagina…
Being the classy guy that I am, I refuse to list em.
by I'm Not Alone, I'm Just Blue on Jun 18, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFLOL
I meant SB and shoulda used IF not when
by steelerstyle on Jun 18, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ROFLOL
I meant SB and the more appropriate word is IF not when

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