Without Vinatieri, Brady would have just 1 ring.
by INdymayneNVegas on Jun 23, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
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Vinatieri won 2 championships for the Patriots. Brady got to one and won it and got to another one and choked away a 19-0 season. But you could say without Vinatieri, Manning would not have been able to get through those playoff games and have no ring [Chiefs, Baltimore(got all our points 15-0), and i guess the Patriot game]. The NFL would have a different landscape without Vinatieri in the league. GO COLTS!!!
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come on now...that's such a silly argument
Without David Tyree, the Patriots would have won Super Bowl XVII. Patriots fans still love Adam Vinatieri as he is the epitome of a clutch kicker. But someone still had to drive the team down the field for him to get close enough to kick it and Brady did what he needed to. If Adam wasn’t so unbelievably reliable, who knows if Brady would have driven the team a bit closer for those field goals? Who knows how strategies would have changed during the game? The Patriots didn’t need a last minute touchdown to win those games, they needed 3 points and got them.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jun 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is dumb
Peyton’s the better QB, but Brady’s had more success. If he hadn’t been good enough to put NE in positions where Vinny could kick for the win, he’d only have one ring too.
Brady’s had more success than Manning. We need to stop moaning like little babies and accept it.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 24, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I strongly disagree about the success thing.
Different people measure success differently. Brilliant, I know, but if you think the argument is dumb, why did you bother to comment?
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Jun 24, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because sometimes the alternative viewpoint needs to be put
Sorry, I’m not a yes-man.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 25, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not either usually.....
but when it comes to Peyton I get a little over the top. I’d be his Yes-girl anytime,
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Jun 25, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense.
First, another kicker might have hit those. Every team has a kicker. Second, those were kicks to win. What makes you think they wouldn’t have won even if they missed the kick.
As far as Bfrady choking the Giants game…. please. Try Matt Light and Co. if you want to find chokers. Brady was hit some 24 times that game. He still played fairly well despite that and drove the team down for what would be the winning score without the fluke catch ending.
It’s not very nice to distort things like you have, nor honest.
by BabeParilli on Jun 25, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you are going to get specific about when the kicks were
then you shouldn’t forget to mention that the Tyree catch was on 2nd down. The Plax TD and Jacobs converting a 4th down before either “iconic” play were much bigger tipping points. The Tyree catch was just unusual enough in a key enough spot to be remembered.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus it bailed out a retarded decision by Eli, who somehow won an MVP over approximately 15 other more deserving players.
by willyduer on Jun 26, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QB almost always wins Superbowl MVP
It’s the way football works.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 27, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get it messed up.
It was 3rd down. Third and 5 on the Giants 44 with 59 seconds to be exact. That throw looked more like a punt than a pass. He doesn’t make that freak catch, the Pat’s perfect season is in the bag. I would say Samuel flubbing an interception from Manning that hit him in both hands was possibly an even bigger play. But the point is Brady was the last person to blame for that loss.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3229468
by BabeParilli on Jun 25, 2009 3:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is that if the Pats (OL line in particular)
had played better, that catch would have meant nothing.
I feel this way about the Colts’ recent losses as well. There is NO way that a kicker should determine the game; nor the refs. We should have had that game put away, end of story. Our not converting a 3rd and 2 and our D stepping aside to watch Sproles run 21 yards into the endzone in OT was the problem (well, one of the MANY problems). A QB can only do so much, am I right?
I like to give you Pats’ fans crap…but that’s all it is. I appreciate Brady’s ability and I agree that he’s one of the best playing now. I just know that without Peyton the Colts season would look more like 5-11, not the 11-5 that you guys had last year using a QB that hadn’t started a game since high school. I believe that if Brady wasn’t in that system, many people would probably not even know about him.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Jun 25, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
The Pats truly stank in that game. They were playing with fire at the end of the season in most of their games. I believe they were becoming arrogant and really thought they could go through the motions and beat up on everybody. That is foolish. You have to work for success in the NFL. By playoff time they got in a habit of turning it on at the end of games they underperformed in and pulling the win out. But if you play with fire you will eventually get burned. If you let a lesser team hang around until the end of the game because you are dogging it; sometimes you get an unlucky surprise.
The Patriots deserved to lose that Super Bowl. Not all of them, but enough of them.
Last year the Pats schedule was pretty much cake. If Brady was around they might have run the table again.
Brady is the real deal, and so is Manning. Great, great QBs. Anybody who doesn’t realize we are watching two of the greatest to ever play the game just doesn’t know football.
by BabeParilli on Jun 25, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly I don't think it was as more burnout than arrogance
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jun 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Brady's the last person to blame for 07 (82.5 QBR)
I better not here any negative comments about Mannings play in games he performed better (05, 07, 08 playoff losses, all with QB Ratings over 90).
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 25, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
the fans who would say such garb aren’t intelligent enough to grasp your point. Oh well.
by coltsfanawalt on Jun 25, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brady is not to blame.
He was hit and mostly knocked on his butt 24 times that game. I would be the first to criticize him if it were due. He truly failed in the Denver playoff game.
I used to hate the Colts. These days I appreciate how great they have been. The rivalry between them and the Pats this decade has been one of the greatest in the history of the NFL. Frankly, the Colts have underachieved a bit for how good they really have been. This is in contrast to the Steelers who have much overachieved for how good they really are.
Manning has had a few playoff failures, but I think he is blamed much more than he deserves. Seems if the Colts lose a playoff game it’s always his fault. That’s just foolish thinking. He is a future Hall of Famer. I am fortunate to see him play the game. He and Brady are the best of their generation, two of the best ever. And they both have a lot more thrills to bestow upon us.
I would much much much rather see the Colts win another Super Bowl than the Steelers. I respect the Colts. I do not the cheap-shot Steelers.
by BabeParilli on Jun 25, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish more non Colts fans were as rational as you are.
by willyduer on Jun 26, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steelers Fan Here
For the record, I believe that Manning is indeed the better quarterback. But that’s not why I posted. “Cheap-shotting Steelers”? The Steelers don’t takes cheap shots. Those are the last resort of the weak- minded and technically unsound teams, like the Browns. As surprising as it may seem to a Patriots fan, some teams like the Steelers and Colts don’t need to resort to cheap tricks to get an advantage over their opponents. Stay classy, Mr. Parilli.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jun 26, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
say Colts and Stealers in the same breath. I also wouldn’t heed a Stealer fan’s opinion about what a great QB is as most of them feel Ben Rottenburger belongs in the same conversation as Manning and Brady. Laughable.
Here is what the Stealers are. Cheap shot punks. It is unbelievable you have the stone to even use the word class being a Stealer fan. Every team in the NFL should be out to cripple and maim when they play the cheap-shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9iVXB08eXs&feature=related
by BabeParilli on Jun 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!! This is pretty sad.
Stealers, huh? Never heard that one before, very original. Let me go through all of your links and prove them irrelevant. None of those are cheap shots. Yes, Harrison did indeed lose his temper and get physical with the Cards player. What you don’t see, however, is that the Cards player hits him in the groin on the punt and, tensions being as high as they were, Harrison retaliated. The Cards player didn’t have his back turned, and had provoked the attack. It was certainly a stupid move, but it wasn’t a cheap shot.
Next you posted my favorite hit of the year, Welker getting BLASTED by Clark. Great memories. Welker wasn’t facing Clark, but he trying to get the ball when Clark started his leap. Had Cassel thrown a half-decent pass Welker would have made the catch and the play would have been legal. It would have been hard for Clark to stop much of his momentum, but he was flagged anyway. If you want a cheap- shotting safety, look no further than Rodney Harrison.
Finally, you linked to the body-slamming of that inebriated Clowns fan on Christmas Eve, 2005. I remember that well. The fan came running onto the field after a play, and appeared to be heading straight for Coach Cowher. Harrison grabbed the fan as he was passing and dropped him to the turf. He then detained said fan until the proper authorities arrived. He could have been MUCH more aggressive than he was. You can see the Browns players just standing around. They obviously didn’t think it was anything disproportionate to the situation.
By the way, why won’t you mention the Colts and Steelers in the same breath? They are both classy, talented, well-run and coached teams that are perennial Super Bowl contenders. Both franchises have long, proud traditions of winning that stretch back for decades. Before Belichick and his camera crew came along your “tradition” was getting smothered by the Bears and napalmed by the Packers. You should read about everything the Steelers do for their community before trashing them with classless, tired attacks that are clearly a combination of jealousy, hatred, and an inferiority complex seemingly inherent in an unfortunately large number of Patriots fans, “Babe”.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jun 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, thanks for posting the Pats and Browns smackdowns. Those NEVER get old!!!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jun 27, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stealer hogwash.
Everybody but you Stealer clowns knows the Stealers are classless cheap-shot garbage. Nobody but Stealer fans is impressed with the Stealer rings. How the hell could anybody be impressed with them barely beating a 9-7 team and needing bad calls from the officials to do it?
You bozos always have excuses for your team’s cheap-shots and the bad calls that go your way. It’s laughable.
You say “The fan came running onto the field after a play, and appeared to be heading straight for Coach Cowher. Harrison grabbed the fan as he was passing and dropped him to the turf. He then detained said fan until the proper authorities arrived.”
Are you on drugs? A goofy fat guy was on the field whooping it up. Harrison CAME up behind him and BODY SLAMMED him. Then the officials came over to get Harrison off the guy!!!
Get lost you Stealer phony. Same old Stealer fan lies, distortions and BS trying to justify their thug heroes. It’s sickening.
by BabeParilli on Jun 28, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I am impressed with Pitsburgh's success over the years,
and I truly believe that Ben R deserves to be mentioned in the top quarterbacks (#3, in my opinion) because of the extra dimension he brings to the game. He does some things that Brady and Peyton could only dream about doing.
Anyway, don’t make a general statement like, “Nobody but Stealer fans is impressed with the Stealer rings.” It’s just not true. And I know at least a few others who feel the same way.
by Cassieper on Jun 28, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Nothing but respect for the way the Steelers organisation approaches the game. Don’t necessarily like all their players, but I don’t like a lot of players on a lot of teams.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 28, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brees has to be #3 right now, imo
I’m a hardcore believer that team record and playoff success are accomplishments of the team not a player, and that for anyone that doesn’t watch thousands of hours of gametape a year player eval should be done by looking at the stats then using your memory of the player and related stats to subjectively adjust for things the stats aren’t designed to capture.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and on Big Ben
I think he has all the talent to be a top QB, but he seriously regressed as a passer when he had to drive the offense through the air the last 3 years (~30 attempts per game) rather than just supplementing the running game in his first two years (~20 attempts per game).
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 28, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations!
You have just confirmed to me that you are a perfect living form of the stereotypical Patriots fan! I have been reading SB Nation blogs since 2007, and you’re the only person who could give tommasse a run for his money in the infantile and petulant departments! I wish more Pats fans were like Marima and MaPatsFan, but that’s obviously not the case. You can celebrate and be proud of the achievements of your team without denigrating those of the Steelers, can’t you? What have the Steelers stolen that makes you so angry and spiteful? I have to say that it’s pretty sad that a professional sports team can send someone spiralling into vitriolic paroxysms of rage. I have friends at school who are Eagles, Packers, Colts, Jaguars, Giants and Rams fans, and we all get along fine. What’s with you?
Oh, and thank you, Cassieper, for calling Babe out on his fallacious arguments.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jun 28, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
You’ve been around for quite a while to remember tomasse
Before I was a writer here I had some nice clashes with tomasse. In the link you posted I’m the one posting as “Shady Brady” (a reference to the spygate song “Shady Brady and Bill Belicheat”). He ended up banning me because I called him on his BS and wouldn’t back down when he would flex his power to edit and delete my posts.
The new guy is great though. My first contact with MaPatsFan was asking to be unbanned under the new regime and the relationship as just gotten better from there.
Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake
by shake n bake on Jun 28, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's a huge improvement
Sorry about the story I linked to, but it was the one that has been sticking around my mind. I remember my eyes bugging when he referred to the Pats as “the good guys” and the Colts as “the evil empire”. He probably thought Brady was the Luke to Peyton’s Anakin. I’m sure I’m not the only one who was indulging in schadenfreude at Pats Pulpit the morning after XLII.
Anyways, I think Ben can put up up ‘04, ’05, and ’07-type passer ratings while throwing 30+ times a game as long as our running backs stay healthy and the offensive line shows a bit more cohesion(4 first-year starters last season, including 2 who began the season as 2nd stringers). We should also be facing weaker defenses, with the possible exception of Baltimore. In fact, if Parker’s knee can hold up and Mendy shows why he was a first-round selection, we might not need to throw the ball more than 20 times a game, a la 2008 ;)
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jun 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. Tomasse.
Those were the days. I went from viewing the Patriots as a rival to hating their guts during those days. I swear, it’s not the Pats team that makes me hate them. It’s many of their fans.
MaPatsFan is great, though. He and a close friend of mine (who is a diehard Pats fan) have softened the blow. But that link brought it all back. Ugh.
by coltsfanawalt on Jun 29, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
Although I will say I’ve managed to mend one fence and tear another down. The AFC East gang HATES me, specifically Bills fans. Oddly enough, I may have to hang on StampedeBlue to get any love. Scary, just scary…
Blogger at SBNation's Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit
by MaPatsFan on Jun 29, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that.
A quick look at your profile reveals that you are in the middle of a giant fight with the other AFC East folks over…
(drumroll please)
running back rankings in the AFC East???
I feel very sorry for you.
by Cassieper on Jun 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!!
BigBlueShoe deserves a great deal of credit for this as well. Believe it or not, he’s a relatively likeable guy, even to this lifelong Bostonian!! ;-)
Thanks again.
Blogger at SBNation's Patriots blog, Pats Pulpit
by MaPatsFan on Jun 29, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's hilarious
Tommasse’s biggest contribution to the blog universe was providing Patriots fans a platform where discussions could take place without it degenerating into the same old name-calling personal attack (my mother doesn’t even watch football.) Whether he took that too far is a different topic, but I’ll always appreciate having the forum available.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the punch Harrison threw in the SuperBowl?
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Jul 1, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I answered that in my second rebuttal post (June 27th, 3:15 PM)
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 1, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However the punch came about,
whether it was retaliation or not, it still showed immaturity. And I believe it probably cost him a possible SuperBowl MVP.
"You can't defend the perfect throw, what can I say?" Peyton quoting Marino
by Indy Lori on Jul 2, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Immaturity?
More like the true thug in him rose to the surface. He should surely have been ejected from the game.
by BabeParilli on Jul 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back for more, I see
The incident was a result of high tension and immaturity on both sides. The Cards player shouldn’t have hit Harrison in the groin, and Harrison shouldn’t have reduced himself to that level. I fail to see a reason as to why you are unable to grasp this beyond sheer ignorance or self- delusion.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 2, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back for more what?
Surely you don’t mean your weak rebuttal.
Harrison didn’t reduce himself to any level. That is his level and is the level the Stealers consistently apply. That’s why they are notorious cheap-shot artists. They are a dirty football team with fans that kid themselves that it’s just hard nosed football.
by BabeParilli on Jul 3, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't we been through this already?
The Steelers are not cheap shot artists. I challenge you to find a single occasion in which an objective observer (ie not a fan of the “victimized team”) said the Steelers were guilty of a cheap shot. Pittsburgh has the best defense the NFL has seen since the 2000 Ravens. Why would they resort to the types of things associated with Vince Wilfork and Rodney Harrison? Please become better- informed before you start trashing superior franchises with vapid and baseless charges.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harrison wouldn't have been MVP even without that incident
He had one huge play and managed to get the Cards LT called for holding three times (should’ve been more, but whatever). Other than that, his contribution to the game was getting beaten by Fitz on a crossing pattern that gave the Cards the lead. There were two members of his own team that deserved the MVP award much more than he did. I never said the punch wasn’t stupid, I was merely explaining to the Pats fan that it wasn’t a cheap shot as he claimed in one of his ill- informed posts.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 2, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I’m sure the voters noted the officials blew the block in the back non-penalty call on his INT runback, so no way they would have voted him MVP.
by BabeParilli on Jul 2, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bitter, bitter
Looks like someone hasn’t gotten over seeing “DA GREATEST TEAM EVAH!!!” getting the tar beaten out of them last year. But I guess I can’t blame you. After all, I was upset about the 2004 AFCCG until I realized it was tainted. It’s funny that so many Patriots fans try to protect their team’s legacy by denigrating the achievements of their rivals who didn’t need to resort to cheap tricks to win. I hope we meet the chowdaheads in the playoffs to settle this once and for all. That is, if you can beat the Dolphins!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 2, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dood,
you need help.
Figures the Stealers fans would get all giddy and excited about beating the Pats in a regular season game with Brady out for the year and the team playing multiple 3rd stringers due to injury; since they can’t beat them in a game that counts for anything.
And please, don’t even think of using the word tainted as a Stealer fan. Two words. Steroids. Bad calls. They pretty much sum up any Stealers so called success.
by BabeParilli on Jul 3, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh...That's 3 words (and 2 periods).
:-)
by Cassieper on Jul 4, 2009 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we can't beat the Pats in a game that counts?
I’m pretty sure that you guys would’ve gotten the Number 2 seed had you beaten us this season. But I guess the playoffs are irrelevant if the Pats don’t make them. Also, I guess this counted for nothing, too. Saying that the Steelers’ Super Bowls are tainted is pretty funny coming from a person who probably defended his team from Spygate charges. Yes, SOME Steelers players used steroids in the 70’s, as did almost everyone else! They weren’t even a banned substance then. In fact, many of the users were not even starters. To say that they made the difference in IX, X, XIII or XVI is droll at best. And the Steelers have no control over the calls of the refs during games(unless you actually think we paid them off, LOL!!!). In fact, in the last Super Bowl, the refs made questionable calls when they overturned our touchdown on the first drive, and called holding in the end zone, creating a nine- point swing in 30 seconds. And the final play probably should have been reviewed, but it would have stood even after the refs looked it over. On the other hand, there is irrefutable evidence that all three of your “victories” were aided by an advantage created by the Patriots that the other team did not have. I think that that is called “cheating”, which is something entirely foreign to the Steelers and most other respectable NFL franchises.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yes, forgot to add this
2008 AFC Playoff Seedings
1. Titans 13-3
2. Steelers 12-4
3. Dolphins 11-5
4. Chargers 8-8
5. Colts 11-5
6. Ravens 11-5
2008 AFC Playoff Seedings if Pats beat Steelers in Week 13
1. Titans 13-3
2. Patriots 12-4
3. Steelers 11-5
4. Chargers 8-8
5. Colts 11-5
6. Ravens 11-5
Ahh, what could have been if you have won that “meaningless” game… XD.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had, not have. Sorry!
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 4, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What could have been?
Not a hell of a lot. The Pats weren’t going to win a ring with Cassel. I take that back. The Giants won one with Eli so anything can happen.
You could say the same thing about any of the Pats 5 losses.
by BabeParilli on Jul 5, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that you probably weren't going far
I was just trying to say that your loss to us this season was not meaningless, even if your chances of winning the Super Bowl with Cassel and your defense were slim to none. While a win in one of your four other losses would have put you in the #3 seed, a win against Pittsburgh would have given you the #2 seed. Not a huge difference, but still significant.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 5, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I use
meaningless in a relative sense. Once Brady went down most felt the team going 10-6 would be an outrageous success. Obviously Cassel playing decently met that hopeful goal and then some.
But the loss to the stealers was insignificant under those circumstances.
by BabeParilli on Jul 6, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not buying this
I would never consider a Steelers loss that cost us a playoff spot insignificant, especially when the loss was to major rival and we could have gotten a bye week with a win. Even if, god forbid, a crucial starter is injured, you always want to reach the playoffs. I’m sure most sports fans would agree with that sentiment.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 7, 2009 12:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I assure you
no Pat’s fans are lamenting the loss to the stealers as the key to missing the playoffs. If anything they rue the overtime loss to the Jets in that regard. Also splitting with the Dolphins was significant.
When you lose a tiebreaker for the division title any of the 5 losses could be pointed out as the crucial game.
by BabeParilli on Jul 7, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
What I’m trying to say is that the loss to the Steelers had a slightly greater impact on your playoff fortunes than the Miami and New York losses. Winning either of those games would have given you the 3 seed, while a win vs us would have given you the 2 seed and the bye week. In fact, if Tennessee had lost like they did again, you could have been hosting the AFC Championship. Obviously you aren’t of the opinion that your team missed out on a good chance at getting ring 4, but anything can happen in the playoffs.
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.
Napoleon Bonaparte
by LV Steelers Fan on Jul 7, 2009 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I concede
to your point about the seeding.
But the big picture remains that the team was crippled without Brady and had an exceedingly high number of injuries on defense. It is a minor miracle they went 11-5 under the circumstances.
So, because the Pats lost Brady and had those injuries you were able to wrap up the 2 seed and win the Super Bowl.
by BabeParilli on Jul 7, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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