Horse Buckett: Do you like who the Pacers drafted last night?
Last night was the NBA draft, and the Indiana Pacers selected UNC great Tyler Hansbrough with the #13 pick. Pacer fans seems very split over the selection, especially since a player like Ty Lawson was still on the board. Indy Corn Rows was at Conseco Fieldhouse on draft night, and weighed in on the pick:
The Pacers obviously have a plan for Hansbrough as judged by their excitement over the pick. The Pacers needed to upgrade their defensive effort and intensity, especially in the front court. Hansbrough will help in that area, but he'll have to prove he can give his trademark effort without drawing fouls rapidly.
One thing that is unfair and lazy is to say that Hansbrough has NO upside and is done developing as a player. That's simply ridiculous. Players who stop developing in the NBA don't work on their game. I have a feeling Hansbrough will drop a little sweat when he runs into the barriers his game can't initially overcome.
It seems Corn Rows is happy with the pick, and, according to their information, the Pacers were ecstatic he was still there at #13.
At first glance, it seems the Pacers are continuing their rebuild with strong, active, high character players (following a model the Colts use when they draft). However, unlike the NFL, NBA teams are not built through the draft. Free agency and trades built NBA champions, and unless you have a top 3 pick the NBA draft can be pretty meaningless sometimes.
Hansbrough falls in the category of low risk, high effort player. At 6'9, he is not going to dominate as a shot blocker. He is going to have to make his living being active around the rim and playing hard. Because of the Pacers' tenuous relationship with fans as a result of all the years of watching players getting more arrests off the court than wins on it, Indiana cannot afford to draft "risky" players. They must know exactly what they are getting and maximize that talent. Remember, Indy tried to draft players with "upside" for many years (Jonathan Bender, Al Harrington, Jamal Tinsely) and all it did was drive fans away from the arena.
So, while others clearly wanted the Pacers to draft someone who is higher risk, higher reward, that type of mentality damaged fan relations with the Pacers. Fans want to see effort, not "talent." Sadly, in the NBA, effort is secondary to star influence. Stars rule the NBA. They get all the calls. Have the rules bent for them. It is all about them winning, not the teams.
It's a major reason why the NBA is dying.
I applaud the Pacers for taking more high effort, high energy players. This team may not win a ring anytime soon because they cannot attract a Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, or Kobe Bryant (and you must have a player like those in order to have any shot at a ring), but at least they play like a team. And that is what basketball truly is, not this bastardization of basketball that calls itself the NBA.
Check out one of the few blogs that makes Indiana NBA basketball fun again: Indy Corn Rows. Tom does a great job over there blogging Pacers hoops.
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As one of the more frequent commenters on ICR
I can say that a huge part of the reason people are disappointed isn’t just in picking Hansborough. It’s the fact that everyone had him going several picks later, perhaps at an average of 18 or so. And on top of that, we didn’t make any other significant moves while other teams were. Lastly, after last year’s 2 big trades (and draft night trades in 3 consecutive years), the draft was just a bit of a disappointment overall. Obviously they’re not about to win a title anytime soon, but they appear close to take the next step and aim for a 5 or 6 seed in the East. Hansborough is solid, but he is unlikely to help make that push.
As for his talent and skills as a player, I think once emotions have died down most fans will appreciate the fact that he works his ass off and has credentials. There’s a pretty high chance that he won’t ever be more than a merely serviceable PF, but there’s also a high chance he won’t be any worse. He can hit 15 foot jumpers easily, he is willing to bang, he’s got good size, hits his free throws, and won’t ever get in trouble off the court. Low risk with a low ceiling. He hasn’t maxed his potential, but there’s definitely a ceiling in sight.
Ultimately, in a very weak draft, he is one of the guys with the highest chance of still being in the league in 5 years. I think many of us would have loved to add a new dimension to the team in toughness (Blair), perimeter D (Holiday), or just plain excitement (Teague). Hansborough might be a rotation player for years to come, but he’s unlikely to push the team any further next year. Perhaps the best part of the pick is that we’ll likely be in the lottery again next year, when the draft should be better.
And who knows, there still may be moves to be made. Most of us are hoping to re-sign Jack. There are tons of rumors of Ford trades (although unlikely having not drafted a first round PG). We might even be lucky enough to dump Tinsley on someone. Things could be worse. Granger is still great. Rush and Hibbert can hopefully continue to develop. And ALL the bad contracts will be off the cap in 2011. We’re not a lot closer to contending but we could be in worse shape. At least we’re not the Grizzlies. (that might have been too much thoughts, I haven’t been able to discuss the draft with anyone yet…)
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
also
If anyone is a Pacer fan, Indy Cornrows really is a great blog. CR is a surprisingly good writer for the blogging world and the commenters are all pretty informed and mature (you’re unlikely to see arguments like the Addai ones on here). I enjoy my time over there quite a bit
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I will get around to checking them out more. Finally.
by coltsfanawalt on Jun 26, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rebuilding
Couple things:
First, Earl Clark and James Johnson are worlds more talented than Hansbrough, but neither was ever on Bird’s radar because I think he honestly believes he has most of the pieces he needs to field a playoff team next year, so it made the most sense to go after an experienced, hard worker from an NBA factory, who already fits into the system. In fact, if you think about it, he probably fits better than any of the other bigs at that point in the draft. He can run, shoot 15-20 footers and doesn’t need a half-court offense to be effective. A lot of people wanted Blair, but he’s a space eater that would inevitably slow down the run-and-gun O’brien offense. The jury’s still out on whether that philosophy will result in an eventual contender, but for now, nobody fits better than Hansbrough (that they could have drafted). I think we all agree that he’ll never be Tim Duncan, or even David West, but the “Jeff Foster with a jumper” comparison is fair. 9 and 5 in 20 solid minutes a night is apparently all Bird thought he needed, and Hansbrough could easily do that.
The only thing I regret about the draft is that, even though it was weak overall, the PG class was pretty damn deep. Why not go after Lawson, Maynor or even Teague (who I’m sure could have been taught to distribute with a year of practice in the NBA)? I’m NOT on the Jack bandwagon. If the Pacers can sign him for less than the Mid-level exception, I’m all for it, but he’s going to want $6 mil a year or more and he’s simiply not worth that. He’s shown some unexpected promise on the offensive end, but defensively, he’s just a yoked-up T.J. Ford…and he may be worse. Seriously, watch the tape, he’s a terrible defender.
Honestly I’d like them to trade Ford to a team that needs him or wants him like Protland. They could try to get back Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster to address the thinness at the wing positions (and it works financially). Then they could sign one of many available free agent PGs. The first two on my list would be Andre Miller and Ramon Sessions, though Sessions is a restricted FA and Milwaukee will probably match any offer since they cleared future cap space with the Jefferson deal. With an 8-man rotation of Miller, Rush, Granger, Murphy, Hibbert, Hansbroough, Outlaw and Foster, with Dunleavy coming back hopefully in January, this team would have depth and youth across the board and would probably be a contender for the 5th or 6th seed next season. I’d let Jack walk at the risk of being extra thin at PG.
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by LukeNukem on Jun 26, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a few points
I’m a bigger fan of Jack. Earlier in the season, a surprisingly good comparison was made to Chauncy Billups. Looking at their size, skills and stats through 4 years of play, they are impressively close to each other. Obviously a lot of things can happen, but that’s a pretty good role model for who Jack could turn into. I wrote up an comparison if you’re curious: http://www.indycornrows.com/2009/3/2/777364/jarrett-jack-chauncy-billu
He can hit 3’s, he’s got a decent handle, he shoots very well from the line and while I agree that he’s not great defensively, he’s got the size to improve, unlike Ford. Ultimately, I agree about the price – something closer to $4 million would be a lot more appropriate.
Trading Ford would definitely be nice, as long as we can get another PG in return. Not sure that Portland still needs a PG (they got Patty Mills, I believe).
No way we can afford Andre Miller.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout Felton then?
…Since there were rumblings around the trade deadline of acquiring him anyway. If the MLE is all it would take to sign him, I’d rather spend it on him than Jack.
Also, I think the Pacers will have about $6 or $7 mil to safely spend on a free agent this year, not counting exceptions and not counting the money they’re allowed to go over the cap to spend on their own free agents. I still think Portland is the best landing spot for Ford since they supposedly have inquired about him before and he’d be a huge upgrade over Blake. PG is their biggest weakness, and they’re trying to win a championship now while they stilll have Roy and Aldridge for cheap. They have some tough financial decisions to make in the next two years, and becoming more competitive will make it easier for them to convince their stars to stay for reasonable contracts.
If the Pacers couldn’t get a guy like Felton, they’d have Jack to fall back on since he’s a restricted FA, and they could overpay him if they wanted to. I just think someone like Atlanta will offer him the MLE and I hope Bird doesn’t bite with a matching offer.
My biggest thing with a new PG is that I want the Pacers to target one who knows how to distribute. Both Jack and Ford are best when they’re holding on to the ball for long stretches of time. They both look awkward heading fast breaks. Sessions and Miller are perfect at it, and Felton did it in college though he hasn’t much in Charlotte.
I like your post about Jack vs. Billups, but I think it’s tricky to compare two guys based on their stats, mainly. I disagree that their style of play is comparable. Billups is a pass-first PG who knows when to shoot, and knows how to hit big shots. Jack is a bit of a ball-dominator, as I already said. Though Billups can get a little gun-happy late in games, it’s only due to his desire to win, and his proven ability to take over. I don’t think Jack is a PG who will ever lead a championship team, while Billups is, and has. If Jack were surrounded with so many perimeter offensive options, like Prince, Hamilton, and to some extent, Rasheed Wallace, as Billups was in Detroit, I doubt he would have gotten them as involved as Billups did.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
by LukeNukem on Jun 26, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Felton
not sure if I prefer him over Jack but I definitely wouldn’t be upset. I have no idea what he’ll be asking for financially.
The Blazers definitely do need a better backup PG, I just don’t know if they would rather roll the dice with either Bayless (converted from 2) or Patty Mills (a guy lots of Pacers fans were hoping for in the second round).
Agreed on needing a PG who knows how to distribute better than Ford and Jack. As for the comparisons, I definitely agree that Jack hasn’t shown us half of what Billups has. While my memory of Billups’ early career isn’t perfect, I don’t know that he was much different. In his first 5 seasons, he averaged very similar numbers in terms of minutes, points and assists. So maybe he was a better distributor and it just didn’t show up in the box score, but he definitely didn’t start racking up assists until later on in his career.
I have no idea if Jack can change from being a ball-dominator into a pass first PG like Billups did. I guess all I’m saying is if he made that transition, it wouldn’t be unprecedented. And he’s only 25 years old so it’s not like he has had a ton of time to make the transition. Sometimes I forget that Jack is as young as he is.
Last note re: big shots. First of all, Jack definitely has the balls and desire to hit big shots. He hit a couple for the Pacers this year and took a few more that missed. From the 15 or so games I saw last year, he is probably second only to Granger in terms of wanting the last shot. Secondly, as much as Billups is known as Mr. Big Shot, he’s actually not as much of a clutch shooter as you expect. Don’t get me wrong, he’s definitely made a decent number of big shots, I just remember reading an article recently with some decent research behind it about how many big shots he’s actually made and it’s surprisingly low. I wish I could remember where I saw it, I’m guessing either basketball prospectus or Bill Simmons. Either way, Chauncy has made some big shots and he’s missed quite a few too. But I digress.
I think we mostly agree on the situation. There are a ton of PG’s I would rather have than Jack, but I like him and think he at least has the potential to turn into a Chauncy-light.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Simmons...
…and he only researched like the last two seasons or something like that…typical Pats fan
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by LukeNukem on Jun 26, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, good point
Regardless, I didn’t want to take anything away from him. He’s definitely made more than his fair share of big shots and the way he turned Denver from an okay playoff team to a legitimate championship contender is telling. Who knows what will happen to Jack’s career, but if he gets anywhere near Billups’ career while still with the Pacers, we’ll be way better off for it.
"If you don't [draft me], I promise you I'll come back and kick your ass for the next 15 years."
by psvirsky on Jun 26, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have a top three pick and all but you don’t always have to draft there to get an All-Star caliber player. Jermaine O’Neal, Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade were all taken outside the top three. Teams took a chance on these guys being busts and it paid off for them. All I’m saying is that playing it safe all the time doesn’t get you the lucky gem who can propel your team to championships.
by ThirtyOne on Jun 26, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have this problem
Where I try to reply to people and I forget to hit the reply button. It’s almost like I’m so aloof that I don’t want to acknowledge that the other person said anything, but I promise, that’s not the case. See below.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
by LukeNukem on Jun 26, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but...
Jermaine and Kobe were taken during an era when people didn’t truly believe high schoolers could be hall of famers, and Wade was what, 5th overall? But I get your point. Unlike the NFL, where the opposite is the case, NBA teams DO NOT have to build through the draft; they’re usually built and bolstered through free agency and trades. But three of the four conference championship representatives had a #1 overall pick, and the one that didn’t had Kobe. So it’s safe to say that if you draft the right guy at #1, and surround him with supporting stars and good role players, you’ll have a title contender. If the Clippers weren’t so inept I’d assume Blake Griffin would be on this track, but as it stands, he’s about to be a Gatorade fetcher for a selfish, pudgy teammate puncher, Zach Randolph.
"You're hitting the wrong person. Don't you know you're hitting Ron Artest?"
by LukeNukem on Jun 26, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love to wax poetic about our young Hoosier bred talent in the NBA
But Zach Randolph is always the lingering fart on that issue.
by goodlucksaturday on Jun 27, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That link from the New York Post is completely moronic
The NBA has always had problems with uncompetitive teams not filling arenas, it’s nothing new. And the number of NBA teams that have shut their doors, as the article claims would happen by Spring (it was written in November)? Zero.
You should know better then to rely on gutter journalism, BBS.
by eltharion_doa on Jun 28, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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