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2009 Colts Mini-Camp: The Offense

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Mini-Camp starts today, and we will look at the offense, defense, and special teams for this team as they enter this little team gathering, which is really nothing more than an excuse to get everyone together (which they are already) and work (which they are doing already). The line between Off-season Training Activities (OTAs) and a formal "camp" has become very blurred in recent years.

Over at Indianapolis Colts Examiner, John Oehser talks about the defense as Indy gears up for camp. Here, we will talk offense first, because contrary to what many think and say, you win first in this league with offense. Defense helps you in the playoffs. Offense gets you to the playoffs.

 

Quarterback

Maybe you've heard of the reigning NFL MVP. His name is Peyton Manning. If your favorite team resides in the AFC South, New England, Chicago, or Baltimore, you are likely sick about hearing of #18. The Colts sport the best QB in football. Yes, better than Tom Brady, whose absence in 2008 did little to hurt the Patriots overall. They won 11 games without him. The Colts, meanwhile, had a one-legged Peyton Manning to start the 2008 season, and through 8 games the team was 4-4. When Peyton got better, they went 8-0 and made the playoffs.

Best NFL QB argument ended right there.

Backing up Manning is a seemingly rejuvenated Jim Sorgi. Well, "rejuvenated" is a bit inaccurate. You have to have something to rejuvenate in the first place to be rejuvenated. Sorgi in 2008 looked as good as he has ever looked, which isn't saying much. Though, I will say his garbage time play in Week 17 against the Titans made skeptics like me take notice. Last year, he outplayed veterans Quinn Gray and Jared Lorenzen to hold onto the back-up's job. He has no such competition this year.

A wildcard at back-up QB is rookie Curtis Painter, who was drafted in the 6th round this year out of Purdue. Unlike Sorgi, Painter has a strong arm and can make many NFL throws. 

One to Watch: Curtis Painter

On the Hot Seat: Jim Sorgi

 

Running Backs

Probably the most controversial player for Stampede Blue readers is Joseph Addai. People either love him or call him a bust. Very few navigate the middle ground. Regardless of how many feel, for two straight seasons Addai has battled numerous nagging injuries. When healthy, he is a strong, physical runner with excellent quickness. When unhealthy, he hesitates.

To help Addai, the Colts drafted UConn product Donald Brown, who has impressed at OTAs with his very strong work ethic. Brown is very similar to Addai in terms of rushing ability. At camp, they will likely begin to integrate more 2-Back sets, and implement more plays that work for both backs.

The third active roster spot at RB is up for grabs. This spot is usually reserved for a third down specialist. Second year player Mike Hart wins the job outright if he is healthy. He's coming off major knee surgery which cut short his 2008 season. Lance Ball, who we interviewed a few weeks ago, offers more size than Hart. Chad Simpson needs an amazing off-season to keep his job on the active roster. Unless he can prove he is a great goal-line or third down runner, or he shows dramatic improvement as a kick returner, he is likely to get cut in late-August.

One to Watch: Donald Brown

On the Hot Seat: Chad Simpson

 

Wide Receivers

With Marvin Harrison gone, there is now an open spot in the three-wide package. Since the only significant addition to the returning corps was the drafting of 4th rounder Austin Collie, this means the Colts feel that "Marvin's replacement" is likely already on the roster. As Peyton stated last month, Reggie Wayne will stay flanked at left while Anthony Gonzalez will take Marvin's spot on the right. When the Colts go three-wide, they will have many options.

Pierre Garcon is now the front-runner to either play the slot or move to the right side so that Gonzo can play the slot. After Garcon, it is a toss up. Austin Collie, Samuel Giguere, and Roy Hall are all unknown commodities. Collie was extremely productive in college, leading the nation in receiving yards. He also has the build of a typical Colts receiver (6', 180-ish). The Colts are high on Giguere, who was an undrafted rookie last season and spent all of 2008 on the practice squad. Hall has been a project since the Colts drafted him in 2007. At 6'3, 240, he is a BIG target. He is also excellent on special teams as a gunner. He's battled injuries his entire pro career and needs to stay healthy to remain on this team in 2009.

One to Watch: Samuel Giguere

On the Hot Seat: Roy Hall

 

Tight Ends

One could argue that the "third wide receiver" is TE Dallas Clark. Indeed, when the Colts go "three-wide" with Dallas Clark as the slot receiver, it gives teams that run a 3-4 absolute fits. I've long argued that Clark is the best TE in pro football, and I still stand by it. Few TEs display his big play ability. He runs like a WR, blocks solid, and is a threat to score anytime he gets the football in open field. You have to cover him with a corner or, at the very least, a Pro bowl caliber safety. That is not the case with players like Jason Witten, Antonio Gates, or Tony Gonzalez. 

Gijon Robinson won the second tight end spot in camp last year, and played very well in several games. Second year players Tom Santi and Jacob Tamme had their 2008 seasons cut short due to injury. Both need to stand out this off-season if they want to unseat Robinson.

One to Watch: Gijon Robinson

On the Hot Seat: Jacob Tamme

 

Tackles

This is a make-or-break year for Tony Ugoh. When he is healthy, he is a top tier left tackle. Maybe even top 5. The key is "when he is healthy," which is often not very. Ugoh was thrust into the starting roll his rookie year after longtime stalwart Tarik Glenn retired. Ugoh played brilliantly under the conditions. Then, he got hurt. He started last season hurt and missed several games. When he got healthy, it correlated with Peyton getting healthy. The result was a 9-0 finish to the regular season. Ugoh needs to prove he can stay healthy for a full season. If not, he gets cut in 2010. A team cannot afford to have an injury-prone LT.

Utility player Charlie Johnson is the reserve LT. He can fill-in in a pinch, but he is not a starter. Depth at LT is a big weakness. The Colts cannot afford to lose Ugoh for an extended period of time.

The irony of 2008 was normal "iron men" like Jeff Saturday got hurt while noted "glass joes" like Ryan Diem played the entire season. Diem has been hurt, off and on, for many years. Yet, for some reason, he was the only o-lineman last season to start every game at his natural position: RT. Backing him up are Daniel Federkeil and Charlie Johnson. Federkeil, like Johnson, is more of a utility lineman, able to play multiple positions.

One to Watch: Tony Ugoh

On the Hot Seat: Tony Ugoh

 

Guards and Centers

I lump guards and centers together because, in many situations, players at one position have had to switch to a different interior linemen position. Even Jeff Saturday played guard in a playoff game back in 2003, dominating then-Broncos DT Trevor Pryce the entire game. Saturday was re-signed this past off-season, and I cannot tell you how HUGE re-signing him was. Other than Peyton, Bob, Dwight, and possibly Gary, Jeff Saturday is a lynch pin for this team to succeed.

Backing him up are Jamey Richard and Steve Justice. Richard established himself last year as a tough interior lineman who can play multiple position. Justice, so far, is a bit of a bust. He was drafted in the 5th round in 2008 to back-up and possibly replace Jeff Saturday, and he lost out to a 7th round selection out of Buffalo (Richard). Justice needs to prove something this off-season or he is toast.

Another potential bust is Mike Pollak, Indy first selection in the 2008 NFL Draft (2nd round). Pollak was a center in college and he struggled mightily to adjust to playing guard at the pro level. To put it bluntly, Pollak was awful in 2008; just awful. Injuries might have stunted his development, but those do not excuse he inability to execute. Rookie Jaimie Thomas offers tremendous size at guard (6'4, 330 pounds), and his selection in the draft this year is not necessarily a ringing endorsement for Mike Pollak.

The Colts also dabbled in free agency this off-season, picking up two players who can play guard: Kyle DeVan and Brandon Barnes. DeVan can play both guard and center while Barnes can play guard and one of the tackle spots.

The big wild card here is Ryan Lilja. Lilja, when healthy, is one of the best (but least known) guards in football. He missed the entire 2008 NFL season, and his absence was a big reason the Colts ranked 31st running the ball in '08. Lilja is now participating in OTAs, which is a very positive sign. If he can return healthy, the Colts o-line will be just fine. In fact, it will be better than fine. It will return to its normal, dominant form. In addition, if Lilja is healthy, Pollak will likely get relegated to a back-up role. Unless Pollak can prove he is a better player than Richard, Thomas, or a free agent like DeVan, he will prove a big bust for Bill Polian and the Colts. Pollak is definitely someone to keep an eye on in mini-camp, training camp, and pre-season. He is likely playing for his job, and he is only a second-year player.

One to Watch: Ryan Lilja

On the Hot Seat: Mike Pollak

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Great post.

So TRUE!

Saturday was re-signed this past off-season, and I cannot tell you how HUGE re-signing him was. Other than Peyton, Bob, Dwight, and possibly Gary, Jeff Saturday is a lynch pin for this team to succeed.

I really hope Lilja is able to start this year. Really. Hope. Hopefully, Ugoh will have enough in him to perform to his potential. I was really, really impressed with him during his rookie season. I still miss Tarik, but what can you do? I will be rooting for T. U.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent As Usual

I am really curious to see where Painter fits into the scheme of things. I know it will be at least a year before we even see him in any games, but I really like the guy. He was successful at Purdue where a couple of quarterbacks have come out recently and had success in the NFL (Drew Brees and Kyle Orton).

Also I’m VERY anxious to see this WR group to see how they perform now that they are getting more playing time.

Former New Orleans Saints RB George Rogers
"I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first"

by stuart0908 on Jun 5, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

QB Comment

I don’t follow the logic of the argument you make in the quarterbacks section above – Manning is better than Brady because Brady’s replacement won one less game than Manning ? History tells us that the better QB is most certainly Brady – wouldn’t you agree ?

No matter – this season will reveal much about the toughness & durability of both players. I’ve already circled Nov. 15th on my calendar !

by profootballfan on Jun 5, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Logic being:

The Patriots success can be attributed to the system implemented by Belichick. A guy who hadn’t started since high school managed 11 wins. please.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe so...

But, if it’s truly the Patriots “system” that win’s the game and not the QB, then I trade Brady tomorrow for some real good defensive help and put an end-of-the-bencher in there to throw the touchdown passes. If in fact, the Patriots incredible success under Belichick is due only to a team’s system, then why don’t other teams employ this can’t fail, plug anyone in there, system ? Belichick’s good but he ain’t that good ! Cassel’s production was eye opening but, I think that his success was more a reflection of his talent (who knew) than a system.

by profootballfan on Jun 5, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoodie isn't my favorite person.

However, he is a football genius. I think if other teams could implement a similar system, they would. He’s almost a football savant. Well, there’s that and taping other teams.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 5, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on how you put it in perspective too

sure Brady has more rings than Manning. But to earn a ring is team effort……….Ex “the Steelers”. When you look in the record department, Manning beats out Brady. Also, if Brady some how doesn’t return to regular Brady form this year, an Manning has clearly won the race. Besides its easy to read a defense when you know their plays.

that pretty much sums it up

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

by colts9318rock on Jun 5, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Brady doesn't return to form this year

we will NEVER hear the end of it… the media will be full of “what if’s” and “we can’t crown Manning just because Brady suffered an injury.”

And of course if he DOES return to form, then all we will hear is “Brady is clearly the best QB ever… what other QB has come back from a season ending knee injury to [fill in the blank here]. After all it took Manning an entire half a season to come back from his minor procedures.”

UGH – I can hear it now… I am so not ready for this crap.

peytonsthebest… I may move South for the fall/winter so I don’t have to listen to my husband… do you have an extra room?

How can you not love a team that does this?

by LovinBlue on Jun 5, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can't win for losing.

You’re right, no matter how it plays out it’s going to be “All Brady All the Time.”

Sure, c’mon down! One can never have too many Colts’ fans around here!

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 5, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady's return

We can only hope (as fans of the game) that both Brady & Manning are fit and ready to play at their highest level this year – there is no better match-up in the NFL. When the Colts play the Pats, I pay attention.

I wouldn’t call it crap – I love the comparisons between these two QB’s, makes for great theater.

by profootballfan on Jun 5, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would put Lilja and Pollak on the hot seat

they both have to prove they can play in the nfl. I think Pollak will have another chance if he doesn’t pan out this year unlike Lilja. I rather have a young inexperianced OG over and old"er" injured OG.

OH NO WE SUCK AGAIN!

by colts9318rock on Jun 5, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jim Sorgi

If he’s not exactly rejuvinated… is it safe to say he’s just plain old juvinated?

Like being a gruntled former employee….

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Jun 5, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pollak

I think he will have a fine year. The injuries around him and his injuries didn’t help. Besides Saturday and Charlie Johnson no offensive lineman did great. Richard was good, Diem and Ugoh were meh, Pollak was not good. However, a line of Ugoh-Lilja-Saturday-Pollak-Diem that is mostly healthy will make all of them look good.

"I saw a commercial on late night TV, it said,'Forget everything you know about slipcovers.' So I did. And it was a load off my mind. Then the commercial tried to sell me slipcovers, and I didn't know what the hell they were."
-Mitch Hedberg

by Colts Homer on Jun 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pollack

Wow, was he really that un-good? I don’t have any games recorded and don’t get to see more than 5-6 in Seattle…. that’s pretty disappointing. But I would not call a 5th rounder getting beaten by a 7th rounder a bust; that late in the draft, you’re glad to have either of them make the team and perform decently.

I do agree that a good dose of health will make everyone, including #18 and #29 look better.

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Jun 5, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd put Pollak on the same level as Ugoh and Diem

but yeah, Pollak needs to play better. Missing most of preseason and the first few regular season games is a good way to stunt a rookies adjustment though.

Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake

by shake n bake on Jun 5, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't...

Pollak was a rookie. If he played on the same level as two veterans, then he’s ahead of both. Ugoh is the biggest player on a hot seat, in my estimation. Diem and Lilja are in similar situations except that Lilja is dealing with coming back from a major injury and Diem is not.

by bamock on Jun 5, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

category might have been a better word than level

I think Ugoh was better than Diem, who was better than Pollak, but if I was grouping them I’d put those 3 together, as guys that were disappointing, but startable.

Change these hundreds for me cashier, Cuz I ain't made it yet, but I'm better off than last year
And what it look like hun', I ain't never made it rain but it look like fun
-Drake, Still Drake

by shake n bake on Jun 5, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

credit where credit's due.

the argument that the patriots didn’t suffer a drop-off without brady is absurd. i hate the patriots, but with their easy schedule last year they could have very well won 14 or 15 games with a healthy brady. did you see how many times noodle-arm cassel under-threw randy moss (only the most dangerous weapon in pro football)? the peyton vs. brady argument gets worn out so much because they’re both all-time great quarterbacks. give me peyton any day, i do believe he’s the superior qb, but it IS a close call, and that’s what makes the rivalry great.

by saintnixon on Jun 5, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brady/Cassell

Okay, let’s be generous and say Brady’s pats win 15 in 2008. Cassell’s win 11. So from an “all time great HOFer” to a guy who has not started since high school about 8 years ago, the drop off is a maximum of just 4 wins? More than likely, fewer.

Could you see the same dropoff from Marino/Elway in their primes to their backups (not the guys who had been groomed/drafted to replace them late in their careers)? Manning to Sorgi?

I hate Joe Namath. That's how long I've been a Colts fan.

by Bobman on Jun 5, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Jun 5, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady vs. Manning

For most people, the argument will begin and end with Brady’s 3 rings vs. Manning’s 1 ring. However, that would be stupid because of guys like Elway (played in 5 SB’s) or Marino, who simply were some of the greatest QB’s to ever play…but don’t have the wins. Terry Bradshaw has 4 rings, but he’s not even in the top 25 greatest QB’s of all time…. so rings while important, aren’t the best way to describe the “greatest” QB of all time.

It’s easy to look at stats and games won, but most people overlook the biggest factor in the discussion. Defense. Yes, Defense! Brady has had the benefit of playing on a team that has always, always been at a minimum, in the top 10 in several categories on defense. Most of the time, in the top 5 in turnovers & sacks. Brady has NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER carried his team the way Manning has. Brady has always had a stout defense that bailed him out while Manning has had defense after defense fail him.

Disagree? Think about it for a second. Excluding his 2008 season, Brady had never thrown for more then 3500 yards or 30 TDs in a single season. Manning has done that virtually every year of his career. In fact, if you compare the stats for Manning’s 04 season (49TD’s) vs. Brady’s 08 season (50TD’s), you’ll find that Brady played more in every game then Manning, was still throwing TD’s in the 3rd & 4th quarter despite big leads, and still needed a last second TD in the final quarter of the 16th game to beat Manning’s record. Meanwhile, Manning sat out the equivalent of almost 3 games worth of quarters in his record breaking season, even took a knee in several possessions to not run up the scores.

Look at individual season stats and records, and the Colts, not the Patriots, are the best team in football since 1999. Think about that, despite having a garbage defense for most of his career, Peyton has continually carried his team. Brady hasn’t, because his defense has always kept him in the game. Who’s got the better 4th quarter come back stats? Peyton. Who’s directed two of the largest deficit wins in the history of the NFL? Peyton. Brady has had the benefit of playing on a great team his entire career. In fact, a kicker won two of his SB’s for him, not him. And guess who made it possible for them to win in the first place? The Patriot’s defense, not Brady.

We could debate this for hours, but both Brady and Manning are simply put, the two best QB’s in football. However, as last year proved, the Patriots could win without their best QB. In fact, this is the second time in the last 8 years that the Pat’s have done just that. Or did you all forget how Brady became the “star” he is. He took over for an injured Drew Bledsoe. Meanwhile, we all know that while the Colts have star players, their system relies heavily on Manning’s arm and knowledge. Losing him would instantly remove them from the playoff race. Sorgi simply is not capable of replacing Manning. Losing Manning would kill our defensive strategy, and effectively render us like we were the year Edgerrin blew out his knee.

I am a diehard Colts fan, and I respect the Patriots. If I couldn’t have Peyton, I’d want Brady as my QB. However, if you swapped the two of them, I can guarantee who would have more rings…. Peyton Manning.

by DevilsReject on Jun 6, 2009 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Peyton=Brady

as a colts fan i can’t say we can put Tom’s record over Peyton’s, likewise the other way around. Contrary to popular belief, Tom played out doors, and Peyton played in a nice cozy dome. BUT Tom attempted 84 MORE PASSES than Peyton. Peyton had a higher rating in his record year. Payton also distributed his touch downs. Randy moss had 46% of Brady’s touchdowns. almost 1 out of every 2 TD’s he threw went to randy moss. Peyton played 15 games and against Denver Jim Sorgi threw 2 touchdowns. Let me repeat that. JIM SORGI THREW 2 TD’S. The very next week, in the wild card game Peyton threw 4 td’s. and he was being generous in the second half. He coulda had 5. So in reality, Peyton threw 53 TD’s in 16 games with about 30+ less attempts than Tom still while Brady threw 50 in 16. However, Tom had a TERRIBLE weahter game against the jets on early december i believe. So really, i think if anything, Peyton’s record is just as good, if not more impressive. I think Tom’s is sensational, as is Peyton’s but both had some X-factors involved, we’ve seen the weather in NEw England, now imagine peyton playing in that a few games, and we’ve also seen the results when he has played in that weathe. Not so good. So i think Mannin and Brady’s records are equal.

GO COLTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by indikid24 on Jun 7, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i said in my post that i would rather have peyton. i always bring up the “84 more attempts to throw one more touchdown” angle whenever i argue peyton vs. tom with tom supporters. i’m also on record, (although not on this site,) as saying that marino was far and away the best quarterback of his generation – not elway or montana – specifically based on the supporting cast argument and the numbers that marino put up without the jerry rice’s, roger craig’s, and terrel davis’ of the world. once again, for the record, I WOULD RATHER HAVE PEYTON MANNING AS MY QB.

bobman: “only 4 wins” is only 25% of the regular season schedule – a HUGE differential.

by saintnixon on Jun 6, 2009 3:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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